Where does David Carr rank?

by Ed Valentine on Jul 3, 2009 7:00 AM EDT in News Comment 26 comments

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New York Giants quarterback David Carr (8) throws a pass to Danny Ware during last month's mini-camp.

Since I am still annoyed by the Giants quarterback group being ranked 17th by FOX Sports (which is, basically, a diss of David Carr) I thought I would go down the list of backups and see where Carr fits.

I am going to break these guys down into tiers, rather than rank them 1-32. I think that is pretty impossible.

The top tier.

Jeff Garcia, Oakland -- This guy is not a superstar, but he is good enough that he shouldn't be stuck in Oakland backing up Jamarcus Russell.
Derek Anderson/Brady Quinn, Cleveland -- Both of these guys should be starting somewhere.
Jon Kitna, Cowboys -- I really hate to give Dallas credit, but this was a great move. If Tony Romo gets hurt Dallas actually has a real player they can turn to.
Tyler Thigpen, Kansas City -- This guy was pretty good last season despite winning just one of 11 starts. Not a horrible safety net for Matt Cassel.
Matt Leinart, Arizona -- On reputation alone. Only Kurt Warner's brilliance is keeping him on the bench.

Then, I believe there is a second tier. I think Carr goes in here. The others in that group include.

Seneca Wallace, Seattle.
Charlie Batch, Pittsburgh.
BIlly Volek, Chargers.
Chad Henne, Miami. This is based purely on potential, and what Bill Parcells apparently thinks of his future.
Todd Collins, Washington. Terrific fill in for a game or two.
Byron Leftwich, Tampa Bay. Always liked this guy's competitiveness.
Sage Rosenfels/Tarvaris Jackson, Minnesota. Putting them both here because you know who will be quarterbacking the Vikings this season.

The third tier.

Mark Brunell, New Orleans. Used to be fabulous, but now we have no clue what he has left.
Joey Harrington, New Orleans. Listed third on their depth chart, but fits here anwyway.
Josh McCown, Carolina.
J.T. O'Sullivan, San Francisco.A flop as a starter.
Chris Redman, Atlanta.
Dan Orlovsky, Houston.
Rex Grossman, Houston. Another third-stringer who needs a mention.
Troy Smith, Baltimore.
Vince Young, Tennessee. Sorry, but this guy is a terrible NFL quarterback. I don't care what he thinks.
Kyle Boller, St. Louis.
Todd Bouman, Jacksonville.
Daunte Culpepper, Detroit. Putting him here becase I think he ends up watching Matthew Stafford quarterack the Lions.
Kellen Clemens, New York Jets. Like Culpepper, I think he ends up watching Mark Sanchez take snaps.
Damon Huard, San Francisco.
Chris Simms, Denver.

Finally, the mostly unknown.

Kevin O'Connell, New England.
Jim Sorgi, Indianapolis.
Kevin Kolb, Philadelphia.
Ryan Fitzpatrick, Buffalo.
Matt Flynn, Green Bay.
Caleb Hanie, Chicago.

Your thoughts?

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I think Rhett Bomar will surprise a lot of folks and add some quality depth to Eli. He had/has the makings of a strong back-up in the NFL. No diss to Carr, but in a year or two, Bomar could potentially take over as #2, or possibly start for a “lesser” team. He excelled in his one year of top-tier college play, but got busted for succumbing to typical human desires (money, greed, easy life). I think this was an awesome “sleeper” pick by Reese, as we’ve come to expect of all his finds.

by Big Blue Blood on Jul 3, 2009 8:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I like what I've seen of Carr so far.

It looks like he has gotten over his case of yips + happy feet he understandably acquired before coming to the Giants. Given a chance (which I hope he doesn’t get) I think he’d be ranked in the top tier of backups.

by blue gonz on Jul 3, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I like Carr too, George

He seems to have better chemistry with Moss than Eli does, I guess because he practices more with him. I feel cofident that he could be effective should Eli go down. If called upon I think he could keep s in the hunt.

On another note, I am planning to drive up to Albany this year. Are you considering the trek?

by giant fan since 57 on Jul 3, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey '57

if you come to Albany for camp let me know. I’ll buy you a beer.

by Ed Valentine on Jul 3, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I sent you an e-mail last week about camp

I am coming and I’m bringing my “bring back the 3-4 defense” T-shirt with me…LOL. I would like to come when everyone else is there as I cannot stay for the entire camp. When is everyone going to be there and where should I make reservations to stay?

by giant fan since 57 on Jul 4, 2009 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Was planning on going to a wedding in

Plattsburgh and from there to Albany, but the logistics of getting to Plattsburgh proved too burdensome, so, no Albany. The closest I’ll get it is to Hammondsport for a week, unless we sell the house there first. Anyone interested in a Finger Lakes hideaway can get a video tour of the place at premierpropertiesof thefingerlakes.com. Look for Caretakers Cottage on Keuka Lake.
Enjoy training camp, 57. You and Ed hoist a few for me.

by blue gonz on Jul 3, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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by blue gonz on Jul 3, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

giants qbs

i agree with bbb but think carr belongs in 1st tier. the giants o line will not allow him to be a pinata. he’s a very good qb who got ruined by a bad team. may happen to stafford.

by 7mike on Jul 3, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I think its more cuz of what

Carr did in the past, and the fact that most of Giants fans are basing what we saw off that one Minnesota game.

I think Carr would keep the ship afloat too should the unthinkable happen, but you have to remember this guy’s past.

Yes the Giants O-Line probably would make him look a lot better (and if he was originally drafted by teh Gints, he may have a different career).

But that’s just theory. One game (and preseason) can’t change his career. I guess it sort of did for Matt Schaub, but that’s a bit diffferet cuz he didn’t have Carr’s first 5 devastating seasons.

No one really knows what Carr could do, and of course no one knows about Bomar or Woodson other than their college paths and that they were 5th and 6th rounders.

17 might be a little harsh, but its actually a good ranking. Eli is generally said to be around the 11th best QB (which I disagree with), so that adds to that.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 3, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

In all fairness Fitzgerald has played some

And I think he showed enough potential to at least be in the 3rd tier

by ItsaToomah on Jul 3, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree with you that the # 17 ranking is garbage.

That whole article is garbage. I can’t believe some of the groups they moved the Giants QBs behind. Did the writer ever consider that the durability of the QB is directly related to his O Line and the QBs own qualities? Eli seems to be nearly as durable as his brother.

Back to Carr, as a Lions fan I would take him ahead of Kitna in a heartbeat. Kitna is a turnover or sack waiting to happen. His act got very old here in Detroit.
The other factor in Carr’s favour is that your team actually has a running game that would take a lot of the pressure off the QB.

by NorthLeft12 on Jul 3, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Who cares about FOX Sports...

I think we’re good with Carr at number 2. I remember when Eli got hurt early in a season a couple years back, and we had Lorenzen in the #2 slot, that was a big knock on the team. But now we’re good Carr coming in, he has great physical assets, can run and throw. I still don’t want injuries but the talent level at the QB position is great, thinking of Bomar…
Nevermind what FOX Sports think, with Strahan there, it’s like they can’t give The Giants any credit. It’s like NBC with Tiki, it’s like they’re there to represent the Giants, or just attract viewers. Either way, the Big Blue’s influence is everywhere!

by Kensay on Jul 3, 2009 4:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Carr stinks

I don’t understand the love. No winning instinct whatsoever

by queler on Jul 3, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Have to disagree with you, its hard for a guy who was on his ass 70 times a season to develop a winning instinct. I like Carr alot, and think that if God forbid (knocking wood, rubbing lucky rabbits foot, and tossing salt over my shoulder) something happened to Eli, the Giants would be in capable hands.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jul 3, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree.

Kurt Warner proved that. When he was with us the line wasn’t up to speed and look how bad he looked. He has certainly sinced proven that he is still a top flight QB. Nobody want’s to find out but I am confident he could carry us through if needed.

by giant fan since 57 on Jul 4, 2009 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

look

I agree, his problems aren’t his fault, but he developed how he developed. To me finding a QB is finding a guy who can win the game. That’s how you divy up the tiers. Mcnabb, Eli, Delhome etc, are all guys who can kill your team, but their also guys who can win a game. I’ve seen nothing from Carr that makes me believe he has that potential. I put himi right in their with guys like Rex Grossman. Sure he gets paid to be a QB but I don’t think he’s a plus at the end of the day. Not that he should be necessarily at QB2

by queler on Jul 4, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Winning instinct"

Ok, sure, whatever you say.

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by squid92 on Jul 5, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've always liked Carr

Its not his fault he was on his back more than a cheap prostitute when he was in Houston. Carr has a nice arm and I think in the right situation could thrive.

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by The American Mr.Hockey on Jul 4, 2009 4:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Fellas

We should not get worked up over Fox Sports ratings. They flat out are terrible so who cares what they think. Obviously some douchebag did the ratings and he doesnt know what the hell he is doing there.

by wangstu13 on Jul 4, 2009 8:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Carr did OK when called upon

If the unthinkable happens, we could do a lot worse than having David Carr calling signals

by celerino sanchez on Jul 4, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Carr vs Eli

If they held an open competiton, I have no doubt that Carr would win the starting job for NY over Eli. Eli’s been given every chance to succeed by the Giants. Carr’s never been put in a good situation anywhere.

by fidgeroo on Jul 5, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

to quote Kyle Broflosky's mom:

wha-wha-WHAAAT?

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Jul 6, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

"Eli's been given every chance to succeed by the Giants"

right, he has. And he won a Super Bowl. Good call Giants…

by cjmulrain on Jul 8, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

If Tom Couglin thought for a minute

that Carr was the guy to lead him to another Super Bowl he would be the starter. Eli has to earn his starting position just like everyone else. I’m satisfied that Carr can step up and keep us in the hunt should it be necessary but I don’t think that Carr is the better QB.

by giant fan since 57 on Jul 6, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Troy Smith in Baltimore

I live in Baltimore and have seen glimpses of good play out of Smith. Quite frankly, he’s a legit backup and should be ranked in your second tier, not your third.

He has shown he could move the ball with a terrible corps of receivers in the past. He could scramble, and has a decent arm too, drawing comparisons to Randall Cunningham. Last year he was set to start ahead of Kyle Boller, got hurt, and Flacco caught on fire. That’s the reason he was on the bench.

by TonyManero on Jul 7, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Smith

I think he’s great for what they use him for – a Wildcat QB who takes a few snaps here and there, can run, can throw it a little. That said, I think if Flacco goes down Smith won’t be able to win consistently. I just don’t think he’s fast enough or has a good enough arm to be much more than a change of pace type guy. Then again, that could just be my blind Ohio St. hatred speaking.

by cjmulrain on Jul 8, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs