Friday fanfest: 5 questions with .... George Cronin
A little something different today. We have a great, active, knowledgeable community here at Big Blue View. As the off-season continues to unfold I thought I would occasionally reach out to a few members of the community so that we can all find out more about them.
I figured there was no better place to start with that endeavor than with probably my favorite BBV member of all time, George Cronin. Known to many of you as 'blue gonz' George is an old-timer who knows more Giants' history than probably anyone else here.
Here is my chat with George.
Big Blue View: How did you first become a Giants' fan?
George Cronin: I have no recollection of not being a Giants fan. I became one through osmosis from my fifteen-year-older half-brother. He took me to my first Giants game in 1938 (at the Polo Grounds) when I was five. I saw them play there many times and religiously listened to the radio broadcasts if I didn’t go. A contributory factor cementing my fanship was that the Giants had a farm team in Jersey City when I was a kid, the Jersey Giants. Boley Danciewicz was the QB, a former Notre Damer, famous for a miraculous goal line tackle that preserved a tie with Army, by far the best college team in the country during WWII. They also had a quarter-mile champion halfback, Elmo Harris.
Big Blue View: You are, more or less, our site historian. Who would you say is the greatest Giants' player who the younger generation of Giants' fans just doesn't know enough about? We're probably talking about someone pre-1970.
GC: One name pops into my head, making this answer a no-brainer: Arnie Weinmeister. In ’48, he played with the NY Yankees; in ’49, with the Brooklyn-NY Yankees. He came to the Giants when the AAFC merged with the NFL (along with Tom Landry.) A DT, he was universally acknowledged as the greatest defensive lineman of his day, and the fastest. I believe he was the first real celebrity lineman, so much so that he could make far more money outside the game. (Even though he was paid an enormous amount for that day, he quit after only four years with Big Blue to go on to bigger money pursuits.) He was All-Pro every year in the NFL and has the shortest playing time of any HOFer except, I believe, Al Blozis.
-- (Here is Weinmesiter's Hall of Fame bio, if you're interested.)
Big Blue View: You've seen all the great Giants' teams. Can you choose one team that you think is the best Giants' team ever?
GC: Have to go with the ’87 SB team
Big Blue View: Your best memory as a Giants' fan? Your worst memory?
GC: Best memory, same as 3; worst, loss to the Bears in ’63 NFL championship game. We were clearly the better team. They couldn’t do squat vs. our defense. What would be an illegal helmet hit ripped up YA’s knee early in the game. He came back in the 2nd half; knee wrapped and shot up with drugs. He couldn’t plant his foot. Horrible loss particularly after those two earlier championship games we lost that were played in gale force winds. We were an awesome passing attack team in those days with the best offense in the league, but couldn’t play our game in those conditions.
Big Blue View: Your favorite player of all time. Why?
GC: I thought about this one a lot over the years and have to go with Frankie Filchock, whose story so gripped me as a kid and still does to this day. I wrote it up for BBV a while back. I have a particular regard for Emlen Tunnell, the first African-American Giant, our "offense on defense." and an HOFer. Others, but not all, include Giff, Rote, Webster, YA, Joe Morris, YA, and LT, of course.
-- Thanks, George for chatting with me. I always learn something about the history of this proud franchise every time I chat wih George about the old days. Here is George's take on 'The Greatest Game Ever Played,' part of the historical series George wrote for us last summer. You can go to George's page (you guys didn't know every member of the site has his/her own blog page, did you?) to find the whole series. Oh, and now that he is 'blue gonz' George has a second page.
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that was awesome George.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
by Joe_D on Jun 12, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks George
It’s a privilege to get history lessons from a scholar of the game as erudite as you.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Jun 12, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great series
PS: plenty of people under 50 love boxing.
I started following it for gambling reasons, then became obsessed with watching Joe Calzaghe, and now I box to stay in shape. I’m not going to get in the ring with anyone, but I have a huge appreciation for those guys. No one is in the kind of shape that most boxers are in.
by Cody K on Jun 12, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say something to Ed about his boxing remark
but didn’t get around to it. It’s true younger guys seem to prefer MMA. I have a 25 year old son, and he and his friends have no interest in boxing but follow MMA religiously. Boxing has slipped enormously in popularity. It might have been the most popular sport in the thirties and forties. If not, it was second only to baseball. I’ve always felt there were more good fighters around in the old days if for no other reason that they fought more often. Nobody these days fights the number of times in a career as say Archie Moore did, Nevertheless, there are a few guys around today who would have held their own with old-timers. I too was amazed by Calzaghe. Pacquiao is fantastic. Hopkins and Maybury are great. Going back a way, Salvador Sanchez was one of the best smaller men I’ve ever seen. If he hadn’t died in a car crash, his name would be more recognizable today.
by blue gonz on Jun 12, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i dont follow either much but i love a good fight
i mean who doesn’t?
i think boxing is also hurt by the lack of clear cut champions. they need a unified belt. i dont know enough about the history of the different organizations but i know that its pretty messed up. and i agree that the 1 or 2 fights a year is a problem too. i dont care much about golf or tennis as sports but at least i can follow the players through a season and see going on and figure out who’s good and who’s not without much trouble.
All of the mets fans hope that we will not see the bad news mets ever again.
by kendynamo on Jun 12, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good fight
I’m with you guys, to be honest. Love a good fight, too. Jacobs interest in boxing surprised me, since I figured most people his age were into MMA and all that stuff.
by Ed Valentine on Jun 12, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another problem is splitting what used to be one weight division into 3.
You used to have lightweight, for instance. Now, it’s junior lifgtweight, light weight and super lightweight. Can you imagine all the titles guys like Basilio could have won with so many to shoot for?
Have you ever seen him in upstate NY, Ed? I’ve seen him at his Italian sausage stand at the State Fair. He used to always put in a few hours there. What a mug! Angelo Dundee said that Carmen was insulted if he wasn’t bleeding within the first couple of rounds. Guys like him, with those angular face bones wouldn’t last long these days. They call fights at virtually the first sight of blood. I remember one of Marciano’s fight (with Ezzard Charles?) where his nose was split open right down the middle. They didn’t stop it, and he went out and KO’d his opponent in the next round
by blue gonz on Jun 12, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course Calzaghe has a face like that,
but he’s a will-of-the wisp, almost impossible to tag with a good shot.
by blue gonz on Jun 12, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's hoping
that the defense the Giants now constructed can get anywhere near the ’87 champs (if only we had LT!).
Nice job George.
by potroast on Jun 12, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
George my Dad often talks about that team in Jersey City, they played at Roosevelt Stadium down on 440 if memory serves? Also, didn’t the Giants practice there or have training camp there a few times?
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jun 12, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, they played at Roosevelt Stadium
I don’t recall them having a training camp there, although I wouldn’t be surprised if they did. The baseball Jersey Giants played there as well. They were never very good, even though most of the players from the Willie Mays days NY Giants had played for them. Knowedgeable folk thought that the powerhouse of the International League, the Newark Bears, the Yankee farm team, was better than most major league teams. TV destroyed farm teams that were in major metropolitan areas.
by blue gonz on Jun 12, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks George
you’re an asset to this community, especially to Giants’ fans born pre-1980.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Jun 12, 2009 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Chicago game..
I agree about that being the toughest loss.
My favorite Giant of all time is YA Tittle. He called a great game, was fearless, and never gave up.
I’m sure I speak for all of us here when I say that George offers us a truly uniqe perspective on our team that is very useful.
George, your memories really make the past come to life. Thanks….
by giant fan since 57 on Jun 14, 2009 5:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Still have no idea why people like MMA
I can appreciate the athleticism involved and all that, but watching one guy try to choke another one out just creeps me right out.
by brisulph on Jun 15, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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