Giants Position Battles: QBs
by Jim Schmiedeberg on May 19, 2009 7:00 AM EDT
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PrintGiants training camp is shaping up to be pretty interesting this year, it looks like there are going to be some tough battles for backup positions. The Giants have strong talent at almost every spot, which is a nice problem to have, but decisions will have to be made in training camp to pare down the roster. Big Blue View will take a few of the positions over the coming days, and break down the battle for roster spots.
First up will be the Quarterbacks.
Eli Manning is the starting QB. No complaints, we could do a lot worse. (And have).
David Carr re-signed to be the backup QB for 2009. Smart move by Carr, after years of punishment in Houston, he could stand another year of not getting pummeled.
Also on the roster:
Andre Woodson: Drafted last season as a "project", Woodson was waived at the end of training camp last year, and signed to the practice squad the following day.
Rhett Bomar: Drafted in the 5th round in 2009, Bomar's promising college career was derailed after accepting payment from a car dealership for work he didn't perform, and he was forced to transfer to Sam Houston State, where he excelled as the starting QB for 2 years. Bomar is also considered a project QB; the Giants want him to work on his mechanics.
A little side note on Bomar: He was heavily recruited out of high school, and received offers from the University of Miami, Michigan, UCLA, Florida State, and Texas. (rivals.com) That's a pretty impressive list of schools.
Bomar has been labeled a "troublemaker", and accused of having a "checkered past" by the media, which is pretty unfair. He took money for a job he didn't do and got caught. Too much is being made over this; we aren't talking about a guy who was dealing drugs to kids or selling illegal immigrants into slavery. He did what 75% of all 18-year-olds would have done in his position, and unfortunately he got caught. I think it's time the media lets Rhett Bomar just be Rhett Bomar, 3rd string QB of the New York Giants, which is where I am projecting him.
Projected QB Depth Chart:
1st String: Eli Manning
2nd String: David Carr
3rd String: Rhett Bomar
I believe the Giants will carry 3 QBs this year after carrying just 2 in 2008. I can't see them leaving Bomar exposed on the practice squad, where he could be picked up by another team at any time.
I think Andre Woodson's time is nearly up. He may get picked up by another team for their practice squad in 2009, and I'd be willing to bet you'll see him in the Arena League when it resumes in 2010.
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Damn
How far did Andre Woodson fall?
I thought the guy was a first round pick.
I thought we was very similar, and much better, than Jason Campbell in college. I guess not.
The word on him last year was that he “wasn’t grasping the NFL playbook”
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on May 19, 2009 7:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Double ouch
If i’m not mistakened, wouldn’t knowing the playbook be at least the first step at making any roster? Who in their right mind would keep a player that would try to handoff with an open backfield or try a QB sneak when it’s a 3rd and a mile? lol
It would seem logical that even Peyton or Tom would find it hard to see the field, even in Detroit if they couldn’t comprehend the verbage! If Bomar becomes light years ahead of Woodson in the playbook dept., that should be enough to solidify a roster spot.
You can have all the tools in the world, but if you can’t read the instructions and comprehend how to use them, then what’s the sense of having them?! lol
Andre Woodson
was a spread QB at Kentucky, so Im not surprised he can’t grasp the playbook. Just like the last successful QB at Kentucky, Tim Couch, it just has to be true that guys that come from the spread in college to going to an NFL playbook just can’t grasp it.
by FreeBradshaw on May 19, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
This makes sense to me
Woodson was a super project from what I recall reading about him, and I woudl bet he is gone (especially since Bomar apparently impressed in the rookie camp).
Woodson
Looked completely overmatched in his one abbreviated pre-season stint against the Jets. We will have to see, but I agree with ‘jrs’ that Bomar has to be favored to beat him out.
by Ed Valentine on May 19, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions
I was gonna joke about Jared, but I REALLY WISH THE GUY THE BEST!!
Right place, right time. he’d be the “STABLER…!!!”
75% of all 18 year olds would jepordize their scholarship at a D1 school AND pro career for a few thousand bucks?
you got data to back up that number? not that i have a tremendous amount of faith in the teenage population but i dont think most people would be that boneheaded and i dont think the media have been overly harsh on bomar for his incredibly stupid decision. maybe if he wasnt be projected to be a high draft pick i can understand taking the cash but what bomar did was retarded.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.
depends on where the zero is, LOL
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on May 19, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
so you honestly think Rhett Bomar was some kind of trailblazer here?
call me a cynic, but I believe what Bomar did is the norm, not the exception. He just got caught.
Explain to me again how Will Allen was robbed of $50K in jewelry BEFORE he signed his pro contract.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on May 19, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
well no, not a trailblazer
im sure there are plenty of other dummies out there who did the same thing but i also think that there is a selection bias when only considering top D1 college football players, in that those types are much more likely to think they are invincible and do not consider the consequences of stupid actions unlike most of the rest of the world. i think it ways closer to 75% would NOT do what he did. most 18 year olds i have known would think twice before accepting a few thousand dollars for a bogus summer job if they knew getting caught meant they would probably lose out on millions more a coupl eyears down the road. especially if it was as easy to get caught as it was for bomar.
and its possible for players to take out loans based on future contracts so they can get a head start on their bling purchases. some of them are completely legal, others not so much (see reggie bush). it straddles the line of stupidity but it all depends on the details.
All of the mets fans hope that we will not see the bad news mets ever again.
I wasn’t just referring to athletes, I’m referring to 18 year olds in general. But you are right, the mindset of the star athlete is that they are invincible and won’t get caught.
In fairness to Bomar, we are seeing athletes in their 30’s who’ve obviously had that mindset based on some of their actions (cough cough steroids cough), why shouldn’t a less wiser 18 year old feel the same way.
I do see some of your points, but I still think the story is way overblown. He took money he shouldn’t have, he paid the price, the media wants to paint him as Lawrence Phillips.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on May 19, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, defintiley not a lawrence phillips
he sounds more like a standard run of the mill a-hole than a total psychopath.
and i think bomar has paid his mistakes and im not looking to hold his past agasint him now. and it may all work to our advantage too if we get a 1st round talent in a later round. i just dont really ahve any sympathy for him either.
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Players get loans from agents or business managers to get the clothes, jewelery and cars they have before they are drafted.
If they’re going to be drafted really high banks can assign a value to that and give credit to the player. That’s how they can afford houses or condos.
its naive to think that college football players at that level are all Tim Teblow straight shooter upstanding citizens who spend their vacations saving babies and would never so much as bend a rule. These are kids who have gotten special privileges since high school. Free meals, clothes, rides… then it only gets bigger when they get to college. Now they have someone do their work for them (all you have to do is say you have ADD) the best housing, special dining hall in the football complex, even the NCAA has a “special assistance grant” that you can apply for and get $500 to buy clothes. At really big time schools the boosters love to do for these kids and most of them, being from a poor urban background or having been spoiled their entire lives, dont ask twice where or why.
There is one reason this didnt get swept under the rug like it does at FSU, USC (they bought Reggie bush’s mom a house!), OSU, UT and others and thats Sam Bradford.
i dont think all college players are saints
in fact, i pretty much already said i think they are mostly all spoiled, misguided and or stupid, which is why theyd be much more likely to do something as dumb as bomar did then most 18 year olds.
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To me only the elite player like reggie bush gets that money
A player like corey Webster or Osi didn’t get that support. Just like in the NFL, QB’s and RB and WR
Get the most attention and money. But it really depends on the level of talent. Bomar was super hyped and was given cars, Andre Woodson probably didn’t get that kind of attention at all
I agree with you, kendynamo
The first thing I thought when I read that sentence was, where in the hell did they find those statistics?! Not that I don’t think it could be true, but to just throw around a percentage (and as large as 75%) about what a certain population would probably do isn’t really fair.
But then again, 64% of all statistics are made up on the spot. =)
Actually I didn’t make it up, I asked my son (who is 18) and 3 of his friends if they would take money for work not performed, and 3 of them said yes, not telling you which 3.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on May 19, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
right
but none of them are (presumedly) risking a potential multi million dollar contract by taking a bogus job. nor will the entire state of texas going to be out looking to bust them. those are pretty important factors for your risk analysis.
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Ken, I didn’t say “75% of all 18 year olds risking a multi million dollar contract”, I just said “75% of all 18 year olds”
Not sure how mature, upstanding, and intelligent you were at 18, but it sounds like more than most
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on May 19, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions
you actually said "75% of all 18-year-olds would have done in his position"
the key point being that his position was to take the quick easy short term gain and put his much larger future earnings at risk.
im not saying he has character flaws for doing something immoral, screw the NCAA and their indentured servitude, i’m saying he’s an idiot for risking a much bigger pro contract to take some quick booster cash. most 18 year olds i know are smart enough to refuse $1000 today if it means they’ll likely lose out on millions of dollars 3 years later. but maybe i just knew much smarter 18 year olds than most people.
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how many 18 year olds
mess up high school and college opportunities? So many kids say “I wish I worked harder” “I wish I never started smoking pot” or “I wish I knew then what I know now.” At that age kids live for they day. My little brother blew his shot at college in hs. How much did that cost him?
Now factor in that the boosters give you the impression “no one will ever know” and its like cheating on your gf. Sure she could be the love of your life, but youre tempted, 18 and if no one ever finds out who cares? Its a moral question that faces college football players just as much and by all the sex related cases that come out, you can see how they decide in that one.
Point is, 18, everyone else is doing it, youre tempted, dont think any one will ever know… why not? It happens SO MUCH more than you know but gets swept under the rug. This kid was hung out to dry to make room for Sam Bradford.
i think we talking about different issues
all i’m saying is bomar’s choice to take that job was incredibly stupid and i think most 18 year olds (in that situation) would have enough sense to know better. i have no problem with what he did morally and am kind glad he did because now the giants may have a steal with their draft pick. plus im pretty much doing the same thing now by reading gaints blogs instead of working and im getting paid for it.
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Practice squad rules
I agree that the Giants are likely to carry Bomar on the squad to avoid losing him. They have to plan for a competent back up for Manning after this year, because I doubt Carr will be back in 2010. By all accounts Bomar showed well at the first rookie practices. Can they put Woodson on the practice squad again? I know he’s unprotected there, but I don’t think there will be any great rush to sign him. I read somewhere that Reese still think Woodson has potential and, if Carr does leave next year, Woodson would a cheap solution for the third quarterback with 2 years experience with the system. On the other hand, if he still has problems with his mechanics and problems grasping the playbook, maybe it’s no big deal if he goes.
by Tucker Fredrickson on May 19, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions
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