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Who's better, Domenik Hixon Or Desean Jackson

Living in Philly, I hear as much about the Eagles as I do about the Giants.  Everybody in Philly is super high on young receiver Desean Jackson.  When I mention Domenik Hixon, however, they tend to be dismissive.  Even a fair number of Giants fans don't see Hixon as a budding star the way the Eagles see Jackson.  This inspired me to take a closer look at the numbers the 2 receivers put up last year.  Hixon had 43 catches for 596 yards and Jackson had 62 catches for 912 yards.  So Jackson did have the better year, right?  If you look a little closer, however, you'll see that Jackson's yards per catch(14.7) were only a little higher than Hixon's (13.9).  So it looks like Jackson had more catches and more yards because he had more opportunities, not necessarily because he's better.  That's not surprising, because the Eagles attempted 115 more passes than the Giants last year and Jackson was a starter in all 16 games.  Digging even a little deeper, the numbers show that Hixon caught 59.7% of the passes where he was the target and Jackson only 51%. That's actually a pretty big difference.  My conclusion was that both receivers are good young receivers with a lot of upside, but that the perception that Jackson is a star in the making while Hixon is just a fill in that needs to be replaced is not accurate.

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I’m personally a big Hixon believer. I’ve thought the same thing, that Hixon could do a lot more with more opportunities, Jackson was thrown in and almost immediately became a starter due to the Eagle’s lack of options, but Hixon was 4th on the depth chart at the beginning of the season. The seem like very similar players, both being great return at returns as well. People got way down on Hixon after he dropped a 50-yard bomb that hit him in the numbers, but he’s made plenty of tough catches since.

by rich316 on May 16, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No offense TF, but I'd talk RB's or something else with them.   (Or maybe not at all!!!)

I think Hixon has more upside than people give him credit for, but Jackson just looks to be headed into a different class. Hixon appears to have work hard to achieve success, where DJ just breezes along.

Almost a 1000 yd rookie season??    Sorry!!

by NY17NE14 on May 16, 2009 10:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's ypc that matters

I disagree. Jackson only had so many yards because he was allowed to be a starter from day one in an offense that throws the ball almost 60% of the time. If Kevin Curtis and Reggie Brown had not been injured at the beginning of the season, Jackson would have been worked into the rotation more slowly and his numbers would have been less impressive. Whether it comes easy to Jackson and hard for Hixon, the results are really the same. Both average around 13 yards a catch. Jackson was a little better on ypc, byt Hixon caught a higher percentage of balls thrown to him. If Hixon played for Philly and Jackson played for us, Hixon would probably have had 900 plus yards too. Jackson had 50 more passes thrown his way than Hixon did. Plus, most of Hixon’s starts included late season games when the wind was a factor and the season ender where the starters only played a half.

Don’t get me wrong, Jackson’s a good young player with a lot of upside. But based on the numbers he’s playing at the same level as Hixon.

by Tucker Fredrickson on May 16, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Different O's vs. opportunity

IMO, it’s a hard buy to say at this point that D-Jax is the better WR! D-Jax is a gifted and good WR, but like TF said, he was in the lineup due to injuries, or IMO, perhaps an ineffective Brown, Baskett or Avant?!!! The O’s are different, but D-Jax did what he could as a rookie under any ops he had, and that’s admirable, for a rookie. But, given Hixon’s ops, which could be considered very limited over the course of the whole season, he too, did very well.

I’m not trying to take anything away from D-Jax accomplishments, but given the op to play, Hixon was very productive, even though our O sputtered in the stretch! Also, in fairness, i think they were both utilized differently too. Again, Hixon perhaps doing more under a more conservative approach under a part-time op!

Afterall, Hixon did catch ONLY, 19 less balls. That has to speak volumes to a degree by itself!!!

by Hootman on May 16, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TF - Please disregard my previous advice and go roast us some EAGLES FANS!!!!

I can’t predict the future and don’t what to spend the afternoon running math calculations which ultimately will not change your feelings. Time will tell who has the better career. I wish the absolute BEST for Hixon and have zero reason to wish well to an Eagle!!!

I was suggesting you attack them on a subject where the difference is much clearer in NYG’s favor, e.g. Jacobs & co.       GOOD LUCK , go get’em Tuck!!!

by NY17NE14 on May 16, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

TF, rich

I feel the way you do, although based on the despair of so many at the loss of Plax and so many negative commentson Hix’s talents I suspect most BBVers disagree. I expect Hix to blosom in ’09.

by blue gonz on May 16, 2009 2:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hixon is defined by

NOT making ONE catch. If he makes that catch int he Eagles game, everyone knows which one, Hixon is the new budding WR star for the NY Giants.

If he makes that catch, there is no talk about who is the Giants next #1 WR.

Id take Hixon in a Heartbeat over D-Jax. You take each of these guy’s bonehead plays of the year…Hixon’s dropped pass, D-Jax celebrating before he got in the endzone………

To me, each are equal talents. If Hixon catches that ball, no one questions who is better.
Hixon to me is still better. He was pretty much a rookie in the offense last year.

I say Hixon breaks out this year too.

by FreeBradshaw on May 16, 2009 2:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Prior to this season, Hixon has been nothing more than a returner. Whether it was with the Bronco’s or the Giant’s. Given the op to play in place of Burress, he did well, and with this experience, he should build on that. Player’s do, from time to time have mental laspes in concentration, which results in drops or fumbles, but that’s human. But in this case (Hixon’s) it’s not consistent with the overall spectrum of what he has done, or done wrong. He should be fine with more reps and time!

by Hootman on May 16, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Id take Hixon in a Heartbeat over D-Jax.

Somebody make this man the Giants GM!!!

by Bye, Dawk :( on May 26, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Desean Jackson has the higher ceiling..

but i Think Hixon will have a better career because he’s taller and built better. DeSean will eventually get leveled by a 220 pound safety and his 165 pound frame won’t be able to handle it.. Then again, that’s what people said about Warrick Dunn, Steve Smith (Panthers), and just about everyone else who’s small..

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by Hoyadestroya85 on May 16, 2009 3:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Elaborating on the Completion percentage of balls thrown his way

Hix must have one of the best percentages on the team.. because Eli’s comp % was only a little higher than that for the season..

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by Hoyadestroya85 on May 16, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

About average

Actually Hixon’s percentage of balls caught was just about the same as Eli’s so that’s what you would expect. That number of course doesn’t tell you how many of the balls were catchable and how many were dropped. I did see an article somewhere (wish I could remember where) that showed that the Giants had the 4th highest percentage of dropped balls in the league last year!

by Tucker Fredrickson on May 16, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hixon is better

Need i remind any one of D-Jax’s bone head play last year. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF5X6m4ZtJI

by subliminalnirvanaist on May 16, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that just shows he's a bonehead..

it doesn’t mean he’s the better player.

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by Hoyadestroya85 on May 16, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, it sort of does if you think about it.
Just hear me out for a second. If D-Jax would get it through his head that it isn’t neccasary to do stupid stuff until the play is OVER, he would be a better player because he would be more predictable. With Hixon we know what he is going to do and we don’t really worry about him doing something like that that could affect the outcome of a game.

GO GIANTS!!!

by subliminalnirvanaist on May 17, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys are NUTS!!!!

Hixon isn’t even close to Jackson so far… Thats the biggest homerism I’ve seen in awhile.

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on May 17, 2009 2:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Take a look at the numbers

Can you point to any meaningful statistic that suggests that Jackson performed any better than Hixon. If you project Hixon’s stats if he had 121 balls thrown his way like Jackson did, you get 72 catches and 1008 yards. There’s no quantifiable reason yet to say Jackson is a better player than Hixon. It seems you are the one letting home town bias get in the way of objective analysis. In fact, I’ll bet you believe that McNabb is a more accurate quarterback than Eli, which makes the fact that Hixon caught a higher percentage of balls thrown his way last year than Jackson did even more impressive.

by Tucker Fredrickson on May 17, 2009 6:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eli is a more accurate passer...

I’ll concede that, I’m the first to admit his flaws…. What I can go by is performance, not projections. Hixon is a fine WR, but he’s very one dimensional. Jackson runs better routes, and he’s much more shiftier than Hixon. The Eagles offense was good enough with Jackson as the top WR, where as the Giants went 1-4 without Plaxico… So somewhere in there there was someone on the offense wasn’t carrying their weight enough.

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on May 17, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually....

The Giants weren’t that bad without Plax. The end of the season they were 1-4 without him including the playoff game, but when you count the other games they didn’t have him earlier in the season, they were actually 4-4.

being .500 without someone most definitely means that he had a big impact when he was there regardless of how effective he was. But I wouldn’t say that the other Giants players didn’t carry their weight.

Id give more credit to Jim Johnson for coordinating 2 great games, and also to Kevin Gilbride for not figuring out what worked so well in the games they didn’t have Plax earlier in the season.

There was a reason that Eli had his BEST GAMES OF THE YEAR WITHOUT PLAXICO. They spread the ball around. Why they didn’t try the same thing with the passing game at the end of the year I have not a clue.

by FreeBradshaw on May 17, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Id say you have to also give credit

to the Eagle offensive staff for realizing how to utilize Deshean Jackson.

I think if D-Jax was in the Giants offense, he’d be the second coming of Sinorice Moss…….

by FreeBradshaw on May 17, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BEST words I've heard come out of your mouth FB!!!    short and sweet!!

I think there’s gonna be alot more NYG fans hating DJ
then Eagles fans hating Hixon in the future!!

Celleck (or whatever) is a name I bet we’ll learn to hate the hard way!

by NY17NE14 on May 17, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Giants D broke down at the end of the year

That, not Plax’s absence, explains their weak finish. I’ll never forget that fourth and 20+ completion McNabb threw.

by blue gonz on May 17, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see it in my head, as I read it...

 
…and my heads hangin as I write this!!!

( I’m speechless…)

by NY17NE14 on May 17, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh man

I’ve never felt such pure misery in my life than at that moment

by mahmoodzaky on May 19, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What does it mean to be one dimensional

There’s no way to measure shiftiness or route running. But there is a way to measure results. Whatever Hixon did it got him open to average 13.9 yards a catch, just a little bit less than Jackson, and he caught a higher percentage of the passes than Jackson did. Their performance was functionally equivalent. I’m not knocking Jackson. I think he’s an excellent young player and he’s going to be a problem to deal with for years. I’m just pointing out that Hixon was just as effective last year — whether he was shifty or not. Jackson may go on to have a better career, but right now the only difference between them is hype, and the fact that Jackson played as a starter the whole season and got more opportunities.

BTW, I didn’t mean to suggest that Eli was more accurate than McNabb. They both have their accuracy issues. McNabb throws a lot of balls into the dirt and Eli throws his share of high floaters.

by Tucker Fredrickson on May 17, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FRED:     I LIKE your tenacity!!!

Have you ever considered coming over to the Micah Rucker website
we have??

Your stats skills could help to open up some peoples eyes about Micah
that I haven’t seemed to be able to get thru to !!!

It doesn’t pay much NOW.  but when we land the big one…

by NY17NE14 on May 17, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

i don’t remember Hixon ever throwing the ball away right before entering the endzone. therefore im thinking Jackson isn’t the better receiver here

by Greyfox on May 17, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

DUDE?    Remeber Hixon getting hit in the chest on a 40 -50 TD pass and dropping it??

I didn’t what to comment on the “bonehead” issue, but both plays should make better players out of each of them!!   Neither is a true reflection on the kid’s talents.

by NY17NE14 on May 17, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That dropped pass

Really should not define Hixon

by mahmoodzaky on May 19, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

on the other hand...

Greyfox is defining Jackson by one play as well. slightly different, since one was a drop, and the other was a rookie mistake (huge one). either way…one play shouldn’t define any player.

by eagleyosh on May 19, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the fact is

D-Jax had done that at least once before. I think he’s gonna end up underutilized by andy reid. I’m not 100 percent sure that his playcalling sheet isn’t an IHOP menu.

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by Hoyadestroya85 on May 19, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

correct me if i’m wrong, but i’m relatively certain that one time before was in a meaningless high school all-star game, where he did a kart-wheel or something into the endzone. i don’t know if it’s fair to judge a professional athlete on something that happened in HS. I realize i probably sound like an apologist, but if he was dumb enough to do it as a rookie, i’m guessing he was dumb enough to do it in a high school game. I guarantee he won’t do it again (i hope so anyways).

also…you don’t get a belly like andy’s eating pancakes…if anything, it’s a map of all of his favorite hoagie and cheese steak locations across the country

by eagleyosh on May 19, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Despite the dropped passes and bonehead plays, I think, like most, Jackson received more opportunities. That’s the only difference between these guys.

Now the differences between the Gints O and Pigeons O is huge. we’ve had a 3 headed monster in our backfield for 2 yrs. no diminishing what Westbrook does against D’s, but the Pigeons use their backfield differently, fades and screens 40% of the time. The Gints pound the ball a lot. So that takes away a lot of flexibility in the passing department.

I think, depending on what happens with #2 and 3 backs, you’ll see Eli let loose a little more this year. If Bradshaw continues to grow, and Ware or Andre (this yrs draft choice) take up what Bradshaw was… the situation gets muddier… and again we’ll see Hixon with about 600 yrds and 5 tds… not bad, but less than Jackson…

by Cruisin4aBruisin on May 23, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is this a joke?

Are you actually comparing Domenik Hixon to Desean Jackson?

Domenik Hixon?!?!? Domenik Hixon?!?!?!?!? (As if Chris Rock is saying it)… DOMENIK HIXON?!?!?!?!?

by Bye, Dawk :( on May 26, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you actually

saying that DeSean jackson is better? Is that a joke?

by FreeBradshaw on May 26, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What I'm saying

Bye Dawk is that based on their numbers there’s very little to choose between them. Jackson has more yards only because he started for 16 games while Hixon only started 7. Plus the Eagles throw more. Per catch they’re very similar, and Hixon caught a higher percentage of balls. Do you have any meaningful statistical evidence that Jackson is any better, or is your argument that he’s on your team so he must be better.

Who knows how their careers will turn out, but right now there’s no basis to distinguish between them.

by Tucker Fredrickson on May 26, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(Sigh) I can't believe I'm even entertaining this argument, but...

1) Hixon is entering his 4th year in the league. He didn’t play at all after being drafted in 2006, caught 1 ball for 5 yards in 2007, and 43 catches for 596 yards in his 3rd year. Jackson, meanwhile, has 18 more catches and 311 more yards in his rookie year than Hixon has in his 3 full years as a pro.

2) OK, so Hixon started only 7 games… He still played in all the other games and had plenty of opportunities. In fact, he had a 100 yard game early in the season vs Seattle that he didn’t start. As for the games he DID start, how many games did he have at least 75 yards? Survey says… None. Plus, although Jackson may have technically started, his playing time wasn’t that of a traditional starter. The Eagles do something a little abnormal – They rotate their receivers and spread the ball around like no other team in the NFL, as evidenced by 9 players having at least 240 yards receiving.

3) I have eyes. Yeah, I’m an Eagles fan, sure… But a 3 year old could look at both players and know who’s better. Look, I’m all for thought provoking posts, but this one is a pretty big stretch.

by Bye, Dawk :( on May 26, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get your facts right

Hixon did start in the Seattle game because Burress was out. But overall Jackson got much more playing time. When burress and Toomer were around, Hixon was only the #4 receiver, on the field no more than 10 snaps a game. Sure the Eagles rotate their receivers, but Jackson was on the field more than any other Eagles wr last year and he was the go to target pretty much the whole year. Jackson had a lot more passes thrown his way and he didn’t catch as many on a percentage basis. Total yards is meaningless in this context. So is hundred yard games. It’s tough to put up 100 yards in an offense that throws as little as the Giants and has a quarterback whose accuracy is not the best. If Jackson played for the Giants, his numbers would look like Hixon’s.

Your point about Hixon not doing anything his first 2 years is correct, but so what. That just means he didn’t have the opportunity. You can’t put up the yards if you don’t get the opportunity. The Giants picked Hixon up midseason last year and used him as a return man. He didn’t have time to learn the system until last year. Jackson could have easily earned less playing time and put up less impressive numbers if the Eagles hadn’t had a number of receivers who were hurt and a bunch that are frankly pretty mediocre.

Your last statement says it all — a purely subjective analysis.

by Tucker Fredrickson on May 26, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Honestly dude...

(In the Comic Book Guy voice on The Simpsons)…

Dumbest… argument… ever.

by Bye, Dawk :( on May 26, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, so you've resorted to cartoon logic.

Seriously, take any two reasonably competent pro receivers and throw 40 more passes to one than the other. Which one do you think will have more total yards? Your problem is that you won’t/can’t look beyond counting statistics and factor in the context.

Like I said, maybe Jackson will develop into a better player than Hixon. Time will tell. Right now, the only difference is that Jackson had more passes thrown his way last year.

BTW, I meant to say the Giants picked Hixon up mid season 2 years ago, not last year.

by Tucker Fredrickson on May 26, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson and Hixon

essentially played one season as WR. That is no reason to say who’s better at all.

From what I’ve seen of Jackson and Hixon, they are pretty equal right now.

You can quote your little stats all you want, but unless a WR has been putting up # for a few years, I can’t really call him better than anyone.

I think we’ll see who’s better this season.

You really are right, there is no argument, cuz there really is NO EVIDENCE to say who’s better at this point.

I will say that its pointless arguing with Eagles fans, as many of you people want Kevin Kolb (aka the next Ty/Koy Detmer) over Donovan McNabb.

by FreeBradshaw on May 27, 2009 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Your right. Because there is NO ARGUMENT. The correct answer is NEITHER!!

It is DUMB to go by one season….

Frickin trolls…..

by FreeBradshaw on May 27, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's be honest here guys

Hixon is 4 years older than Jackson. If we’re talking about who’s going to be better this season, I’d say it’s probably a 60/40 bet that it’s Jackson. If we’re talking about who’s going to have a better career, you’d be absolutely crazy not to go with Jackson. I don’t like it, but the guy produced more in his rookie year than Hixon has in 4 years. I know a big part of it is b/c he got more opportunities than Hix did, but there’s a reason for that, you know.

by cjmulrain on May 27, 2009 10:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

cj (as usual) has it right

The age factor alone here is a big strike against Hix here.

by brisulph on May 27, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll be honest

Hixon is ACTUALLY only 2 years older…….84 for Hixon, 86 for Jackson……

I just can’t see it how a guy who in his FIRST SEASON AS A WR is any worse than another WR who’s in their first season.

Yea Jackson’s # are better, but they threw to him MUCH MORE. Hixon for much of the season was basically the 4th WR, and put up his #.

I just can’t say right now who’s better. If Hixon got more opportunities and put up his exact #, then Ok. But Jackson was basically there the whole season.

I ain’t saying anyone’s better or anyone’s worse. I just can’t agree that Jackson is the better player just yet. Hixon may be in the league longer, but I can’t see how that really hurts him. I mean you get guys like Amani Toomer and Derrick Mason (I aint comparing…) all the time who were punt returners and made themselves into excellent WR.

Jackson needs time and so does Hixon. I can’t say Id take one or the other right now, other than the FACT I’D LIKE TO HAVE BOTH!

by FreeBradshaw on May 27, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Call me a troll..

Because I am… it’s always good to see what the rival fans are up too. Not the harp on this too much but I wanted to throw this out there for those of you who are sticking with the “Jackson got more opportunites” line. Hixon is a 4th year player. Burress and Toomer have both had injuries in those 3 years that he played behind them. If Hixon was as good as Jackson is, wouldn’t he have taken advantage of those opportunities and gotten in the game when the 1 and 2 were out? If the man can’t jump ahead of Steve Smith and Sinorece Moss when he has the chance to I don’t seem him as someone who can be as good as Jackson played last year. The reason Jackson is better is because when he had the chance to take advantage of his opportunities he did so. The Cowboys blunder hurt, but we scored a TD on the next play so no harm no foul. He also did that move in Week 2 and did nothing of the sort for the rest of the season. My final thought on this topic is that it is completely argumentative. Meaning that if you say Jackson had more balls thrown his way I can just respond that Dixon should have gotten open more. It’s still too early to compare these two players but based on what we have seen from both (and because I reserve the right to be a Homer) I think Jackson has the edge. Lastly just wanted to wish you guys all good luck for the upcoming year G-men and the Birds seem fated to duke it out for the NFC East Title this year and I wouldnt have it any other way.

by IgglesFanDeployd on May 29, 2009 3:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Opportunity

Hixon has only been with the Giants one and a half years. He joined them mid season in 2007 and was not familiar with the system and Burress and Toomer were playing every down. The Giants don’t play very many 3 or 4 wide receiver sets so it’s not surprising that he didn’t get much playing time then. He came to camp in 2008, had a great preseason and worked his way into the rotation. He’s not going to push Steve Smith aside because they’re different types of receivers with different skills. But he did get his opportunities, and whenever Burress was down he was the starter. He put up numbers that based on his percentage of playing time and per catch were pretty similar to Jackson. I’d say both players took advantage of the opportunities they had. If Curtis and Brown had been healthy at the start of the year, Jackson’s numbers would have been lower because he would have been worked into the rotation more slowly.

As for getting open more, sure that’s possible,but the Eagles threw 115 more passes than the Giants last year. Whether you’re open or not, if it’s a running play you don’t have the opportunity to make a catch on that play.

Because Jackson got his opportunities as a rookie, he’ll have more productive years and probably a better overall career. Hey, I agree Jackson’s a very good young player. But it’s misguided not to recognize that in terms of current level of ability, he’s not head and shoulders above Hixon.

And don’t get me started on your Steve Smith comments. Eagles fans are very high on Jason Avant. But I don’t think there’s much difference between Smith and Avant either, except that Smith has reached this level in a shorter period of time (really only one and a half years as opposed to 3 for Avant).

You’re right though, I am looking forward to some epic battles between two very good teams this year.

by Tucker Fredrickson on May 29, 2009 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

epic battles

That sums it up with these two teams. Football’s version of Ali vs Frazier.

by njgiant on May 29, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll give you the tenure with the Giants but...

Dixon has been in the league 4 years. The first two with the Broncos.

2008 New York Giants 16 7 43 596 13.9 41 2 2 26 13.0 15 0 — —
2007 New York Giants 12 1 1 5 5.0 5 0 1 -8 -8.0 -8 0 — —
2007 Denver Broncos 4 0 — — — — — — — — — — 1 1
2006 Denver Broncos 0 0 — — — — — — — — — — — —

by IgglesFanDeployd on May 29, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He may not be head and shoulders above HIxon

But at the moment, he’s clearly a better WR.

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on May 29, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

of course he is. I have no idea way we’re having this conversation. The argument that Hixon didn’t have more playing time is retarded. That’s like saying Lorenzon was a great QB he just didn’t get playing time. Hixon was a backup for a reason.

by queler on May 29, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Context

Jackson started immediately for the Eagles because two of their starters were injured at the beginning of the season and because the other Eagles receivers weren’t exactly stars (Jason Avant and Hank Baskett and Greg Lewis). If Jackson had come to the Giants do you think he would have replaced Burress or Toomer as the starters on opening day? Would he have knocked Steve Smith completely out of his role as slot receiver immediately? He wouldn’t have gotten nearly as much playing time. He wouldn’t have had nearly as many passes thrown to him and his stats would have looked a lot like Hixon’s. Lots of good players don’t get playing time because they’re trapped behind other established good players, sometimes coaches simply don’t recognize their potential,sometimes a good player doesn’t fit a particular team’s system. Kurt Warner didn’t even make an NFL roster right out of college Was he not getting the opportunity because he didn’t have talent? All we know right now, is that when given the opportunity Hixon put up very good numbers — very comparable numbers to Jackson. Jackson just had the advantage of getting his opportunity to play in a system that favors receivers, and that didn’t have any star receivers blocking his way from opening day of his rookie year.

by Tucker Fredrickson on May 30, 2009 7:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its not about stats.

Watch game tape. Hixon is good, but he doesn’t have the skill set Jackson has. Jackson is way shiftier and runs better routes.

BTW our system hardly favors WRs… We spread the ball around… Reggie Brown, Hank Baskett, Curtis, Avant all started certain games last year and got their opportunities.

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on May 30, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you measure shiftiness?

And what difference does shiftiness make if it leads to similar numbers? Ditto for route running. Let’s say two receivers put up identical numbers. One runs flawless and precise routes, the other doesn’t. Is there any real reason to prefer one over the other? The one who doesn’t run the routes correctly obviously has some other skill that compensates for the inability to run precise routes. When you decide who’s a better player by ignoring the stats then it’s all subjective — and discussion is pointless.

I’m curious as to how many Giants games you’ve seen live or how much Giants game film you’ve dissected. If you just watch the games on tv all you ever see of Hixon’s route running are the last few steps before the pass gets there. There’s no way a statement like that has any empirical value unless it comes from someone who has watched both players live or studied game film that isolates their performance. I watched every televised Eagles and Giants game last year and there’s no way I could possibly evaluate whether either of them were running the correct routes or running them precisely.

The Eagles system favors receivers precisely because they throw so much more and do spread it around. All the receivers on the team get game experience and none rot on the bench. I think that gives them greater depth.

Look, because Jackson is a couple of years younger and may still develop physically, he’ll probably have a more productive career. He may even go on to be a far superior player — and if so the stats will bear it out. But right now, the numbers they put up yield the same basic level of production. So there’s no reasoned basis for saying one is better than the other.

by Tucker Fredrickson on May 30, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on May 30, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Football Outsiders

Just for kicks I went to the Football outsiders site where they do sophisticated statistical analysis. http://footballoutsiders.com/wr2008 Their rankings for receivers for 2008 show the following:

Hixon DYAR 28th DVOA 19th
Jackson DYAR 57th DVOA 61st

S.Smith DYAR 40th DVOA 39th
Avant DYAR 54th DVOA 43d

The Eagles highest rated receiver was Hank Baskett who was 39th in DYAR and 23d in DVOA. This suggests that all of these guys are middle of the pack, but that Hixon is actually ahead of Jackson at this point.

by Tucker Fredrickson on May 31, 2009 6:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I clearly don't understand.

Wether you like it or not, Hixon is a 4th year player ? Maybe only bad luck and tremendous Hall of Fame receivers prevented him from playing more during his first 3 years in the league, but fact : he didn’t play more, while D.Jackson started, injuries or not, as a rookie.

D.Jackson had 4 months to learn the Eagles Playbook before his first game in the NFL, while Hixon had 3 more years to get used to the NFL, and something like 6 more months to learn the Giants playbook.

D.Jackson started because of injuries, but he won the starting WR battle against Baskett, Greg Lewis and then a healthy R.Brown, who all started multiple games in the NFL. Why didn’t Hixon win his battle against Toomer, or S.Smith ?

Hixon was maybe the better WR last year, and I think that he can have a 1000 yard year this season… But to say that a 4th year receiver who produced 600 yards in his best year is better and will have a better career than a rookie who nearly had a 1000 yards season (an anomaly in the NFL), and some really nice punt returns is a huge stretch.

PS : Hixon rookie season had to compete with an old and injured Rod Smith, David Kircus and Brandon Marshall for a starting WR position alongside J.Walker… Why wasn’t he on the field, despite his huge talent ?

by bubqr on May 31, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't put words in my mouth

I never said Hixon was better than Jackson. And I certainly never predicted that Hixon would have a better career. I simply made the point that based on the limited sample of one year’s play for each their production per play was pretty similar. Jackson’s totals are higher because he had 120 balls thrown his way. He racked up a lot of yards. That’s impressive. A lot of balls thrown his way were incomplete. That makes him less valuable. I have no idea how many of those balls were uncatchable and how many were, but Jackson’s value was undercut by the number of failed plays in which he was the targeted receiver. If his catch rate improves and his ypc stays high, he’ll be a very good receiver. Time will tell. If I had to make a prediction for Jackson next year, it’s that his number of catches and yards will be down. But that he’ll actually be more valuable because his catch rate will go up.

As for beating out Reggie Brown, Hank Baskett and Greg Lewis, well those aren’t exactly a bunch of hall of fame receivers — although Baskett probably did more with his chances — on per play basis — than Jackson did. Toomer on the other hand is the Giants all time leading receiver and was still playing ok last year. Smith plays the slot, which is not Hixon’s position, so comparing those two is like apples and oranges, and Smith was also playing reasonably well, so Hixon wasn’t likely to take time away from him — just as Jackson and Avant play different roles for the Eagles. Hixon had worked his way into the rotation for a few plays a game, and when Burress flamed out, Hixon got his opportunity and played well. Jackson did a good job with the opportunity that fell into his lap and so did Hixon. Jackson’s opportunity just came earlier in his career and earlier in the season.

As for why Hixon didn’t get a shot in Denver, I don’t pretend to know. His performance with the Giants suggests that he should have. I for one am glad the Giants were able to pick him up.

by Tucker Fredrickson on May 31, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

stop being such homers

so if Larry Fiztgerald and Steve Smith both had 100 catches 1300 yards and 10 tds you would say their the SAME player? or better yet c’mon now

stop tryna compare Giants to an Eagle you know is clearly better..

by Chris943 on Jun 1, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

um

and If I recall you only get balls throw to you know how to get open or your Randy Moss …….not because you played more

your better off comparing Hixon to Hester

by Chris943 on Jun 1, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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