Monday morning Giants' notes, 05.11.09
Here are a few of the stories floating around the Inter-Google about our New York Giants today following the conclusion of rookie mini-camp.
- Mike Garafolo has a really nice piece in which he speaks with rookie wide receiver Ramses Barden and his dad, Al. I don't know how good of a player Barden will be, but the story leaves the impression that he is a very impressive young man. Here is part of it.
There's a lot about Ramses Barden that requires a leap of faith: A third-round draft pick from a Division 1-AA/FCS college program trying to make it in the NFL, a leader at a position that doesn't produce many, and a well-behaved wide receiver who doesn't have a blemish on his academic, personal or legal record.
At 6-6, 229 pounds, Barden has the size of Plaxico Burress, but not the extra baggage.
"You never worried where Ramses was the night before a game," said Rich Ellerson, Barden's coach at Cal Poly. "And when my phone rang in the middle of the night, I knew it wasn't going to be him on the other end."
A two-time unanimous All-America selection who is one of only three players in Division 1-AA/FCS history to catch more than 50 career touchdowns, Barden will have to make plenty of adjustments to the NFL level, such as learning to beat press coverage against bigger, more physical cornerbacks than he faced in college.
Off the field, however, he already looks and acts like a veteran.
Minutes after he was drafted last month, Barden was asked on a conference call with reporters about his solid performance against Wisconsin and whether it gave him confidence about playing against top competition. Instead of boasting and declaring himself NFL-ready, Barden talked about the value of the challenge for the entire Cal Poly team and about how it was just another opportunity to play the game he loved.
On Friday, the first day of the Giants' rookie camp, Barden was asked about Burress -- everything from whether he's watched him play to if he asked for his jersey number -- and he replied, "no comment," with a smile or laugh each time, though he admitted he wanted the No. 11 he wore in college that will forever belong to Phil Simms in Giants blue.
"My pressure is to work hard on the practice field, in meeting rooms and watching film. The rest will take care of itself," said Barden, who impressed at rookie camp before leaving practice yesterday with a minor hamstring injury. "I'm here for a job and that's to be the best player I can be."
I happen to know that MG put a great deal of time into researching this piece. Take the time to read the rest of it. It's worth the effort.
- ESPN's Matt Mosley has a pair of nice feature stories coming out of mini-camp. One is about running back Andre Brown, the Giants' fourth-round pick. The other one is a Q&A with veteran wide receiver Domenik Hixon. Here's a snippet of the Hixon interview.
Hixon: I wouldn't say pressure. I was kind of hard on myself with some things. That's a tough learning curve. You could definitely say that the level of expectation changed. But I just kept trying to get better.
Beast: I'm sure you heard all the rumors about you guys trading for veteran receivers such as Braylon Edwards and Anquan Boldin. How much attention did you pay to that, and does it give you some confidence that the team didn't feel compelled to bring in a veteran?
Hixon: I stay out of all that, but my friends and family do a pretty good job of informing me what's going on. When I started hearing my name come up in stories about a trade to the Browns, everyone from back home started calling. It's not like I was a big Browns fan or anything, but they all thought it would be cool for me to come home. As for me feeling better about my status on the team, I never allow myself to get comfortable. That's the best way for me to operate.
- Here is a video review with Giants.com writer Michael Eisen.
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Nice video piece on the rookies
I get the impression that these are some real good kids. I know it’s early but they seem to be very humble and eager to learn. They are going to be very nice additions to Big Blue. Worth the 5 minutes to check it out.
Rookies
The Giants do take some gambles w/character, but I think one reason they are such a solid franchise is they generally bring in solid people.
by Ed Valentine on May 11, 2009 7:24 AM EDT up reply actions
and then they turn into a--holes at the end!!! (see: Barber, Toomer, Shockey, Plaxico...)
but I agree with your point. JR and TC like to surround themselves with good guys who’ve worked hard to get to this point and deserve it. Not just naturally talented kids who’ve pampered all their lives because of their skills at sports.
Here's not turning into aceholes
I think the big difference with these rookies, especially the offensive rookies, is that they are coming in under a proven leader. These guys know that this is Eli’s team whereas the foersome you mentioned were already established stars that had to follow the leadership of a rookie, kinda like training a guy to be your boss.
I think guys like Eli, Bjake, AP, Osi will keep them in check.
I read Ed's comment and started thinking of Giants who were good people and...
Tiki and Toomer’s faces popped into my head as good guys followed by the thought that they both became a-holes in the end >>> It was an observation, so I shared it with you. I’m still shocked that either of those two would do and say what they have to damage the reputation as a GIANT that they worked so hard to create.
No one I wants to see any Giant player behave like that. Hopefully we won’t even have to hang our heads in disgust again because NY Giant opened his mouth and looked like an ass.
I think everyone knew that
Shockey was nuts when he was drafted and while he played at Miami. Plaxico was a nut too going by what most of his Pittsburgh teammates said.
Tiki and Toomer were only A-Holes cuz of the way they left.
Tiki did it to himself of course. He could have even did the Barry Sanders walk off, but he decided to make enemies with fans and the org. Tiki still is the best RB in Giants history, so I reallly can’t be mad at him.
Toomer is a different situation. Like many vets who play with one team their whole career, they are sent off unceremoniously, even made to be angry at the Organization because their skills are diminished and the team wants nothing to do with them anymore.
It happens all the time too.
by FreeBradshaw on May 11, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
I love Tiki but
the way things ended was not good. Funny how Eli and the Giants got the last laugh (10 table stunners). I hate the way things ended with Toomer also. He was one of my favorites. Just hope that things can be ironed out and he just retire a Giant with a great career.
ABSOLUTELY!!!! Amani's bitchin seemed to have more merit than Tiki's...
but it was totally out of character from the Amani I’ve watched all these years. I hope they can patch things up too and have a real celebration of his career, as nothing but a GIANT for Toomer!!!!
I'm not mad at Toomer
all he ever did while a Giant was play football and catch passes. He never demanded the ball, never tried to call attention to himself off the field, never acted unprofessionally. In a perfect world the Giants would have brought Toomer back with the understanding that he was going to lose playing time and he could have retired as a Giant. Unfortunately, the reality of a salary cap and limited roster space meant the Giants had to make a business decision instead of an emotional one. They made the right choice, IMO, but I don’t blame Amani for being upset at the impersonal way the Giants dealt with the situation. I hope that in time he comes to forgive the organization and will still take part in ceremonies and fan functions in the future, b/c he really has had an all-time great Giants career.
"This is the beauty of baseball. In basketball, at the end of the game, you want to put the ball in your best scorer's hands. But in baseball, it's up to a rookie like McGlinchy and a journeyman like Franco with the entire season on the line. Baseball history is dotted with names like Al Weis and Brian Doyle, men who have taken their name out of the agate type and placed it into the headlines, because it was simply their time."
I think
that guys tend to get a distorted view of their abilities toward the end of their careers. They still see themselves as the ‘star’ player they once were, not the role player they have become. They want to be given the ‘star’ treatment, and when they don’t get it there are bruised feelings. It’s unfortunate, but coaches and GMs have to be objective.
by Ed Valentine on May 11, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Tiki was right
Coughlin massively changed his ways after Tiki left. You can’t give Coughlin all that credit for softening up without legitimizing that Tiki had a point.
True
Tiki DID bring up some points, and I think Coughlin did a great job taking it constructively and actually using it instead of dismissing it.
Maybe Gilbride wakes up now and realizes his playcalling is in question (tho to me, it always was) and its really on him that the offense floundered last season.
Maybe he gets the hint that the reason why Reese added essentially 3 big WR and also a pass catching RB that, “hey KG, wake the F up and turn the IHOP menu to the other side and order something else up”.
by FreeBradshaw on May 11, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Random question
What is Ramses doing in that picture? I looked through the rookie mini-camp pictures and right after that one there’s one of Clint Sintim in exactly the same pose, which means it’s not part of some offensive drill. Just wondering if anyone knew what it was.
"This is the beauty of baseball. In basketball, at the end of the game, you want to put the ball in your best scorer's hands. But in baseball, it's up to a rookie like McGlinchy and a journeyman like Franco with the entire season on the line. Baseball history is dotted with names like Al Weis and Brian Doyle, men who have taken their name out of the agate type and placed it into the headlines, because it was simply their time."
Special teams?
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on May 11, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
It certainly looks like punt team. I don’t think there is any other situation where a WR would be in that type of stance.
I thought it was a photo op
Remember the trading cards where they had a guy pose holding the ball in one arm and the other in a stiff-arm, with his leg raised high across his body. They even had the offensive linemen in this pose. I remember John Madden talking about it.
If Ramses
is half the player that Paxagun was and keeps his head firmly on his shoulders, this is a great pick.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on May 11, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions
Why...
is Ramses in a punt formation stance? You would think that the press would have some pics of him catching the ball or running routes or something. Oh well, I just hope this guy turns out to be the kind of reciever Plaxico was minus the shooting himself in the foot part.
by subliminalnirvanaist on May 11, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions

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