What does the GM have up his sleeve?

by Hoyadestroya85 on Apr 29, 2009 1:07 PM EDT Comment 7 comments

We all know by this point that Jerry Reese is a shrewd businessman who is willing to go against the conventional wisdom (passing on Braylon, Boldin, Houshmandzadeh) in order to do what he thinks will help the team win. Whats really been puzzling me is the matter of the roster size. Obviously, not everyone who is on the roster at this point is not going to make the team. The only team that entered the draft with fewer needs than our beloved G-Men was the Steelers and that's saying something. Few needs coupled with a high number of picks begs one question.

Is JR planning a firesale?

I highly doubt it, but there are some players on the roster who have some sort of value.. I'll go down the list.

Aaron Ross.. He's a solid Corner, but that's a position in which the Giant's have depth (that feels weird to have depth at corner.. doesn't it?) Also, I'm sick and tired of seeing Ross leave nearly every game with some sort of injury.. it makes me question his toughness. I think Terrell Thomas has all the potential to be a superstar.. and Corey Webster should have made the pro bowl last year. Dockery is also a servicable nickleback.

David Carr: If Rhett Bomar plays to his ability in preseason, Carr is expendable. He also has a small contract which might make him attractive.

Ahmad Bradshaw: If the staff are really as high on Danny Ware as people are saying, and this Andre Brown kid turns out to be a stud, why not?

Barry Cofield: I think he's almost a bench warmer at this point.. he might be the fourth or fifth defensive tackle (depending on whether tuck kicks inside during third down) and I don't see the rotation getting and six deep which makes it a numbers game between Cofield and Alford.

If you can get good value from anyone, it might be worth it. I don't wanna trade people for the sake of doing so, but I also don't like drafting players just so they can make the practice squad.

thoughts anyone?

P.S.: Ed, I can shine your shoes if needed.. haha

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Unless talks for a veteran receiver start up again, the Giants have no reason to shop any of these guys. A lot of the guys you mentioned are young, so there is no point in trading them for draft picks. Depth is a very good thing in the NFL, I am sure the Giants are excited to have so many positions stockpiled. Over the course of 16 physically demanding game you never know where injury will rear its ugly head; having depth at RB and DL means you are not leaving the success of a season up to chance. Depth is also gonna bread competition and being able to rotate RBs and defensive players will keep players fresh for the postseason. My guess is Reese will sit tight with this team.

by XLII on Apr 29, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Those guys are not on the bubble

Ross and Bradshaw aren’t going anywhere. You need 4 cornerbacks, particularly when you play passing teams like the Eagles. Ware or Brown might sit on the practice squad, but we carried 4 RBs last year and will probably do so this year as well. Cofield’s not going anywhere either he’ll still be a regular part of the rotation on running downs. The guys in jeopardy are guys like Alford and Tollefson. One of th Oline subs like Koets or Boothe or Whimper may be gone. Gerris Wilkinson or Danny Clark may be gone. But Reese is not going to eliminate established young players, he’s just going to make sure we have a really strong second layer of people at as many positions as possible.

As for Carr, he’s signed for the year and we need him. He’s an experienced back up. Neither Woodson nor Bomar is likely to ready to step in this year if Eli goes down. But if Carr goes somewhere next year where he has a chance to start, we’ll need somebody wo’s had some time to learn the system to be a back up.

by Tucker Fredrickson on Apr 29, 2009 2:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

IMO

bradshaw will never be a superstar..and he’s gonna ask for a big contract when that comes up once he has an increased role.. he fumbles, doesn’t catch great. I just think that he wouldn’t be the worst guy to unload if you can get value

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by Hoyadestroya85 on Apr 29, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

In hindsight..

i think that a trade should have been made to at least move up.. there are too many bodies at this point. I don’t want all of these draft picks to make the team unless they’re all superstars because that means there will be attrition.. we didn’t need this huge draft class and I think that this is the first reasonable criticism of Reese the entire time he’s been GM.

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by Hoyadestroya85 on Apr 29, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I agree that trading some of the picks would have made sense

We could have traded for future picks, like the Patriots do or we could have moved up — assuming there was somebody that we wanted that we thought might get taken before our turn, like we did w/ Barden, and like we allegedly were trying to do to get maclin. But I don’t think it was necessarily a mistake to make as many picks as they did. You bring in new guys to compete, and if they’re better than the old guys they stick and if they don’t they get cut. This way you keep building up young and developing depth. For example if signing Boley and drafting Sintim allows us to get rid of Wilkinson and Danny Clark, we’ve gotten both better and younger.

I don’t agree that there’s any need to get rid of Bradshaw now. We only have 2 backs with any real NFL experience and he’s one of them. If Brown and ware outcompete him, fine, then he’ll become expendable. More likely, however, Bradshaw plays this year as the second back, and how well he plays determines whether the team wants to resign him when his contract is up. If his performance is not good enough, or his salray demands too high, hopefully Ware or Brown is now experienced and ready to take over.

by Tucker Fredrickson on Apr 29, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

can't really criticise Reese for this tho

Cuz yea, a big draft class may seem unnecessary now, but the point is building the team up, no matter how good the team is and how little holes there are. Your always looking to get younger, always looking for competition. Who knows who gets injured this year?

I remember that year with Lavarr Arrington that hte Giants were very good and coming along, but EVERYONE got injured and the draft class that year was small so no real good depth was available.

Id say that all these guys, aside from the last 2 CB’s, probably will make the team. Maybe those 2 last guys hand on with the practice squad.

But you always build you team up. The Giants best trait is that they are not only one of the elite teams in the league, they are also one of the youngest.

The only guy listed up there that has a chance of being moved is David Carr. Even that’s only if Bomar shows something real soon and then another team gives a good price, cuz Carr is a very good backup.

You don’t just start trading young players when it seems that there is no room for them. That’s why they have training camp.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 29, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Cofield is gonna play a LOT

I doubt he’s a bench warmer.

I agree some of these guys could be on the block, but I doubt it. Remember, Sam madison, Droughns, Knight, Toomer, Plax, and I think McQuarters?

Even so, that’s 5 spots not including RW, and 6 if he’s gone.

Thats Nicks, Sintim, Beatty, Barden and Beckum right there, and then count Brown in RW’s spot. There’s maybe Darcy Johnson to the practice squad, SInorice moss either P Squard or cut, plus a Linebacker or 2, cuz while DeOssie’s still there, guys like Wilkenson should take notice.

There’s plenty of spots, tho I think that cuz other teams may want Bomar that he has to make the team cuz they could claim him of the practice squad.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 29, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs