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The Giants' Draft: A Historical Perspective, Part I

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Hello BigBlueView, in my first official front page post I’m going to be taking a look at the players the Giants drafted on a pick-by-pick basis and comparing them to players picked around that slot in previous drafts, to come up with a sort of best case/worst case scenario for each of the Giants new rookies. I’m only going to look at the post-merger drafts, and will try to find players picked as close to the same slot as our incoming rookies as possible.

Today I’m going to look at our first-day picks, and tomorrow I will take a look at our second-day picks. I should point out that I’m not looking for guys with similar skill sets, but am just trying to show what types of talent has been available in the past at the positions the Giants took and at the slots in which they were drafting.

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Round 1, Pick 29 – Hakeem Nicks, WR

Best Case Scenario - Since the merger, there have been three wide receivers chosen with the 29th pick. The best of these was Derrick Alexander, a 6-foot-2 receiver who was drafted by the Cleveland Browns in 1994. He made an immediate impact as a rookie, catching 48 balls for 828 yards. In his career with the Browns/Ravens, Chiefs, and Vikings he had three 1,000+ yard seasons. From 1996-2000 he averaged 63 catches and 1,065 yards per season. Also drafted 29th was current Falcons wide receiver Michael Jenkins during the 2004 draft.

However, if we wanted to find the best possible scenario for Nicks, we could look at a player taken one slot later, the 30th pick in the 2001 draft: Reggie Wayne of the Indianapolis Colts. Reggie is coming off his 5th consecutive 1,000-yard season and has established himself as one of the elite Wide Receivers in the NFL. Nicks was the 5th wide receiver taken this year, while Wayne was actually the 6th receiver taken in ’01, behind such luminaries as David Terrell, Rod Gardner (way to go Dan Snyder), and the one and only Fred-X, Freddie Mitchell (way to go Andy Reid).

Worst case scenario - R. Jay Soward, the 29th pick in the 2000 draft by the Jacksonville Jaguars. Soward had some serious red flags coming out of USC, admitting to smoking marijuana almost every day and almost getting trampled by the USC mascot (I kid you not). He ended up only playing 13 NFL games, catching 14 balls for 108 yards. Also, honorable mention to Rae Carruth, who was drafted with the 27th pick in 1997 and who makes Plaxico look like a choir boy. Let's all say a silent prayer that Nicks doesn't end up like any of the guys mentioned in this paragraph.

Round 2, Pick 45 – Clint Sintim, OLB

Best Case Scenario - Nine linebackers have been chosen with the 45th pick in the draft, and the best of them to date was probably Phil Villapiano, taken by the Oakland Raiders in the 1971 draft. Phil played 13 seasons in the NFL between Oakland and Buffalo, appearing in 4 Pro Bowls and helping the Raiders win Super Bowl XI. If you include middle linebackers in the equation, Lofa Tatupu was taken 45th by the Seahawks in 2005 and is amassing a nice career. There’s nobody, however, taken in the 45th slot who compares with a middle linebacker taken 46th overall by the Steelers in 1974 – Hall of Famer Jack Lambert.

Worst Case ScenarioRahim Abdullah, drafted 45th in 1999 by the Browns. Abdullah played a total of 29 NFL games over two seasons, recording 55 tackles as a rookie but only 16 in his second season before moving on to the CFL. In 2007 he was suspended from the CFL for kneeing another player in the neck.

Round 2, Pick 60 – William Beatty, OT

Best Case Scenario – Only 3 tackles have been taken with the 60th pick, and the best of these was definitely Tim Stokes, the 1974 pick of the then Los Angeles Rams. Stokes played 9 years in the NFL (including part of the 1981 season with the Giants) and was a starter for 4 years split between the Redskins and the Packers. Vaughn Parker, taken 63rd in 1994 was a 7-year starter for the Chargers. You’d have to go all the way to the 70th pick of the 1991 draft to find a Pro Bowl tackle, Erik Williams of the Cowboys.

Worst Case Scenario – Neither of the other two tackles taken with the 60th pick played in the NFL for more than a season, but one of them at least was a starter during that one season. The worst case scenario here is clearly Rusty Russell, picked by the Eagles in 1984. Russell only appeared in one NFL game in his career. The other pick was John Sinnot by the Rams in 1980. Though he never played for the Rams, he started 7 games in 1982 for the Baltimore Colts. I think if Beatty turns out like either of these guys, we’ll all be pretty disappointed. On the bright side, neither of these two have been implicated in any shootings, kneeings, or run-over-by-horse-ings, so I guess that's a positive.

As I said in my intro, I’m not comparing the skill sets of the players the Giants drafted to any of the guys mentioned here. All I’m trying to do is illustrate the type of talent that has been available at the slots in the draft where the Giants picked this past weekend. I think we’d all be thrilled if Nicks turned out to be as good as Reggie Wayne, Sintim becomes the next Jack Lambert, and Beatty starts for half a decade, but it’s pretty unlikely that all three of those will happen. And who knows, maybe in 15 years some first-time blogger will be looking at his teams 60th overall pick and saying "man, maybe he can become the next William Beatty," – after all, before Jack Lambert came along the best ever 46th pick wasn’t too impressive, either.

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Nice job cj, way to start strong.

“Rusty Russell”…..nice

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 29, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting analysis

If Nicks comes anywhere near a high percentage of how good Wayne is, i’ll take it. Especially given their different offensive philosophies.

Sintim to Lambert, awesome!

Beatty to Williams, even though i couldn’t stand him (or any Cowboy) i guess i could live with that. lol

Come to think of it, were there any pre-draft comparison’s to these player’s with today’s NFL’ers? I did see an article comparing Beckum as a poor man’s Winslow Jr.!

by Hootman on Apr 29, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Only difference with Beckum and Winslow

is Beckum was 3x the player in college.

Injuries aside, Beckum is filthy at TE.

I can’t believe that I hear that the Giants weren’t too smart to take guys like Beckum, Beatty and Brown cuz of their past injury history. Then they turn right around and praise the Eagles for getting guys like McCoy and Ingram, when they were pretty injury plaged too.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 29, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Beckum was 3x the player in college."

huh? Winslow was a beast in college. He was a first-team All-American as a junior and won the John Mackey Award as the best tight end in the nation. Plus, he was an f-ing soldier.

by cjmulrain on Apr 29, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Check the stats......

Maybe not 3x, but Becks was better.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 29, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

RWayne

He took something like 4 years to fully develop though. I remember before this draft about how all of this stuff was written up on Wayne and how long it took him to adjust to the pro game; and – remember – he had Marvin Harrison in front of him as a TRUE #1 so there were many times especially early in his career when Marvin would get double teamed and leave Reggie in single coverage….

…….just sayin’

by Cody K on Apr 29, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice comparisons

Id obviously love if Nicks is even Robin to Reggie Wayne fresh out of Bat Manor.

Compared to the other deliquints that got chosen that late in the draft, Nicks is a saint. Even if he hung out with his teammate Brandon Tate on a few occasions, I doubt that Nicks smokes every day. If its a little bit here and there, well I for one think its no more harmful than alcohol, so Ill leave that at that

And at least Rae Carruth was pretty good before he got lost in Tennessee.

Derrick Alexander was pretty good, and I think Michael Jenkins would have been a lot better if he played with Matt Ryan his whole career.

Nicks seems a lot like Reggie Wayne coming out of college. Not really considered the best prospect right now, he was overshadowed a bit at Miami even tho he was the most productive WR there. Not the fastest guy, but runs great routes and already possess great hands…….

Only concern with Nicks was that weight thing, and as Reese pointed out its really not an issue. It probably a blessing cuz maybe if Nicks was healthy and in top condition then he goes a bit higher in the draft.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 29, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

speaking of lofa tatupu

im going to go pinch a lofa dapupu

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by kendynamo on Apr 29, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Well..

We know who to blame now if Nicks doesn’t pan out haha

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by Hoyadestroya85 on Apr 29, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I dont really think these comps are accurate

Each draft is unique as far was what types of players are taken when, it all depends on teams needs that particular season.

Compare Nicks to someone with similar college stats and physical stature,combine numbers etc

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Apr 29, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Apparently you didn't read the entire article

He clearly stated that he was only comparing the players to others drafted in the same spot and same position since the merger. He’s not comparing stats, attributes, or team needs.

However, I do agree that all drafts are different and unique, depending on what teams are drafting for. It would make more sense to say that you feel these comparisons are not fair, instead of accruate. Not tryin to bust your balls, just clearing up any confusion.

by one-bar on Apr 29, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Drafts are unique

but look at that 2001 draft with Wayne in it, lots of similarities

Terrel-Crabtree
Koren Robinson-DHB
Santana Moss- Percy Harvin
Freddy Mitchel-Jeremy Maclin
Nicks- Rod Gardner
Lots of similarities. Tho for the Giants sake (not so much the Eagles, I hope he’s Freddy X part 2) I hope this is wrong.

BUt Moss, Robinson and Terrell look exactly like those other guys.

Lots of similarities. I think looking at Gardner coming in he fits Nicks better, tho I think Gardner had a few character issues and some hands issues.

Could see anyone who was like Britt and Reggie Wayne really doesn’t resemble anyone either.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 29, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha,I mustve glanced over that

nice call! Nevertheless, if he turns out to be as good as Wayne, I might just change my name to Hakeem

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Apr 29, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea

I’m not trying to say Nicks is going to become Reggie Wayne, just trying to point out that in the past, a guy as talented as Reggie Wayne was picked a spot later than Nicks. Mostly just trying to show how incompetent most GMs are haha, that even though the Giants didn’t pick till late in the first round, the guys they ended up taking have a real shot to become great players. They also have a real shot to be total busts.

by cjmulrain on Apr 30, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, why are you so negative...

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by squid92 on Apr 29, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just upset with the WR core is all

But what fun would this place be if everyone agreed?

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Apr 29, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

None

As long as we can disagree while being respectful of each other, life is good. After all, we are all here because we love the Giants.

by Ed Valentine on Apr 29, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im am intrigued to see him play, I must admit that

I dont watch a whole lot of UNC football

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Apr 29, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw Hakeem on TV vs. Notre Dame.....

He looked great, but that was not the best defense, or the best secondary, in college football. Still, he definitely has great hands and a good field presence — that you can see regardless of the competition.

by providence on Apr 30, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ND may not have the greatest D

but pretty much the entire ACC had a pretty good D.

I would have like to see what he did against Wake Forest considering how good they were, but they didn’t face each other.

UNC did face Virginia, UConn and Va Tech, all teams that had a few players from their defense drafted so they probably had good D’s. Nicks played well in all those games, tho I guess you can say he didn’t dominate. He rarely did until the WVU game, but that’s probably cuz UNC had a lot of WR, Nicks was one of 3 WR drafted from UNC, so they must be doing something right.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 30, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good sh!t CJ

Nice 1st article… All three selections were broken down very well, will you be doing this for the remainder of the picks?

I wouldn’t mind if all 3 selections turned out to be as good as the “best scenario selection.”

by one-bar on Apr 29, 2009 6:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Part 2

of ’cj’s’ work should run Thursday.

by Ed Valentine on Apr 29, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CJ's Historical Perspective

Nice job, it was interesting to read and remember all those players. You obviously did your homework.

by Lynch#22 on Apr 30, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also

wanted to point out, especially for those who are also AA readers, that I merged those two photos together at the top using MS Paint b/c I couldn’t figure out how to format it correctly any other way. Yay for sophisticated technology!

by cjmulrain on Apr 30, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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