New York Giants' notebook, 04.29.09
The media had access to New York Giants' coaches and players Tuesday. Thus, there are a few good Giants' stories floating around the Inter-Google today that we should touch on.
- Mike Garafolo is reporting that the Giants nearly had a Draft Day deal worked out that would have enabled them to select Missouri wide receiver Jeremy Maclin.
Before drafting North Carolina's Hakeem Nicks with their own pick at No. 29, the Giants had worked out the parameters of a trade with the Lions to move up to the 20th pick, according to someone briefed on the negotiations between the two teams.
The person, who requested anonymity because the Giants don't discuss war-room talks publicly, didn't divulge what was being offered to Detroit but said the trade was contingent on Missouri wide receiver Jeremy Maclin's being available for the Giants to select at that spot.
The plan was nixed when the Eagles, probably sensing the Lions were shopping their pick, jumped up two spots to No. 19 (by giving the Browns a sixth-round selection) to pick Maclin
Interesting, but I am still perfectly OK with how things turned out.
- Good news from new defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan. He said he plans very few changes in the scheme the Giants ran so successfully under the guidance of Steve Spagnuolo.
"We've had a good defense the past couple of years and it's a very sound scheme and proven," Sheridan said Tuesday in his first session with reporters since being promoted following the departure of Steve Spagnuolo to the Rams. "That was, I'm sure, motivation for (Tom Coughlin) to make that decision to keep it within in the staff. No, there won't be a lot of changes. There will be wrinkles that you might not even notice out there. The players will notice them a little bit, but basically we'll run the same stuff because it's been good, it's been proven."
One change he did hint at that I absolutely love is less zone blitzes. I hate, no make that HATE, seeing defensive linemen in coverage while corners and safeties rush the passer. That's backwards, and it means you have at least two guys in the defense doing something they aren't paid to do.
"We're definitely going to have the pass rushers rushing as much as we can," he said. "When you get into zone (blitzes), you have down guys dropping. And you're never going to get away from that, but as much as we can, we're going to try to orchestrate so that our pass rushers are rushing because that's our strength. We recognize that and everybody knows that."
- Sheridan had plenty of other comments about his defense, including discussing Antonio Pierce, Clint Sintim and Mathias Kiwanuka. Good stuff!
- Eli Manning knows everyone is still flush with excitement over all the receivers the Giants drafted last weekend. He spent Tuesday trying to temper the expectations for the rookies. That's probably a good idea. Don't pressure these guys to play like Pro Bowl wideouts from Day 1, and take whatever they can give.
“After being here five years and seeing how rookies come in, it is a learning curve,” Manning said. “It is a process. So we’ll try to get them as much as they can and see what they can do and how they can help us next year.” ...
“We’ve just to get them in and see how quickly they can learn everything,” Manning said. “That’s what it’s going to come down to. A lot is thrown at them. It is a learning curve. They’re going to make mistakes. But if they’re getting in there, getting reps and staying healthy, they’ll learn a lot faster.”
- Speaking of that learning curve, Domenik Hixon and Steve Smith both say they are willing to help the young receivers get acclimated.
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I thought that when I saw the Lions picking at
- that it would be a good spot to trade up to. I didn’t expect as many that Maclin would fall as far as he did, but I thought the Giants may trade up to #20 just to get Nicks or Britt, considering teams like the Ravens Dolphins and Colts could have used either of these guys.
Its nice to see that the GIants wanted Maclin, but I think they did just as good with Nicks. The Giants may have wanted guys like DHB or Maclin more cuz of their speed, but I don’t think Nicks is exactly slow either.
Id rather see Maclin go somewhere else than the Ealges, but we’ll see. I guess the careers of Maclin and Nicks will be compared a lot, and also Ramses will be thrown in there cuz the Eagles traded him essentially to the GIants.
The fact that the Eagles were at 21 and the Giants #29 and what they had to give up to move to #19 (a 6th rounder vs. probably more than that for the Giants to move up that far) is something to look at.
Yea, the Giants had a better record, but I’m not sure if its this year or next that when teams make the playoffs they get draft picks base on when they were knocked out in the playoffs.
Id obviously rather beat the Eagles, but this was kind of a double whammy when you consider the Eagles beat the Giants and got to pick 8 spots ahead of them. THis could have turned out a lot different if the seeded was done like this in this draft.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 29, 2009 7:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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I don’t know how that got type ad 1…..but I meant that the Lions picked at #20 would be a good spot to trade to considering they had a bunch of needs and could use the trade down.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 29, 2009 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheridan
Interesting thoughts on AP, since he states that the big running plays (see Westbrook, Brian) were whole team defensive break downs and not just him. That being said, he can’t tell me AP has not lost a step & can’t cover anyone in coverage. I have 2 eyes. Sure he has heart & desire & I love that, but his replacement needs to come soon.
Also good to hear that there will be less DLinemen dropping into coverage. Let these guys do their job.
by potroast on Apr 29, 2009 8:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed on AP
You don’t think Sheridan is going to call the guy out, do you? AP still has something left, but he can really be taken advantage of in coverage.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 29, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's right..
Pierce’s job isn’t to be matched up one on one with guys like Westbrook. Pierce will probably be the first to tell you that he can’t cover or catch Westbrook. But where was the secondary and other LB’s on those plays?
Pierce to me is the same player he’s been since he got here. He’s always been slow and the occasional mental lapse in aggressiveness.
Yea, Id say one more year is it, but its been nice having him here. he wasn’t as good as the Giants last great LB, Jesse Armstead, but Pierce has been great as the QB of the defense. I’ll always remember him for shifting the D-Line over when he audibled then one of them ended up in the backfield.
AP is smart tho, so to me finding a replacement isn’t necessary right now. Id focus on making the backups as capable as Pierce so they could just spell him and keep him fresh.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 29, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The eagles already had a Maclin
Whats his name, Jackson? They’re the same type of receiver.
And also, how bad is the Browns F.O…..they didnt seem to get a whole lot back for trading those 1st round picks
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Apr 29, 2009 8:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
really
- overall and a second rounder?? Plus a bunch of backups?
The Giants coughed up the 4th overall, a third and the next year’s first rounder for their franchise QB trade, AND THEY ONLY MOVED UP 3 SPOTS!!! Plus they could have said F it and stuck with Rivers (could have worked out OK I guess, River is good).
Browns are inept. It just shows you, all the inept teams did stupid things over the weekend. Yea all the good teams get praised, and who knows, but it just seems to work out that the bad teams stay that way.
ANd look at the Rams. New regime with Spags, and he has seemed to get praised all around for doing a great job. Must of learned something from the Gints and Eagles
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 29, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well had we not won XLII, Id agree with you
I thought we shouldve taken Big Ben, but I think its worked out, especially since Merriman has been outed as the Barry Bonds of the NFL.
The Jets wanted Sanchez big time, and they didnt really give up much to move up to that pick, yet they somehow held a hard line with Reese….odd
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Apr 29, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What did I say??
I said that I think Rivers would be Ok in a Giants uni. I have no problems with Eli and I wouldn’t trade him for Rivers.
And yea Merriman is a roider, but still when the guys on the field he’s an animal.
Im just saying, the Giants gave up the #4, only 3 spots. That pick was a franchise QB no less. plus another 1st rounder the next year, which was Merriman.
Just compare, #4- Rivers, , 3rd rounder (Nate Kaeding I think….), and Merriman for #1-Eli.
Giants gave up a lot, but I think that at that time it was a good trade for both sides, considering how much the Giants like Eli and how much the Chargers got in return
The the Browns got 5 for 17 and a round 2, plus a bunch of ex Manginiites? When they could have done something the Chargers did instead?
Im saying the Browns got fleeced, when the Chargers got what the pick was worth.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 29, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we're in agreement
I’ll just say this, I think the Giants made out better in light of whats happened. Eli and Rivers are awash, a slight nod to Eli b/c of the title. He’ll never have Rivers stats b/c he doesnt have the luxury of playing in nice weather.
Merriman is a beast b/c he’s a cheater, and now he has ligament problems? Hmm, wonder what couldve brought that on. And Kaeding, well he’s a kicker, so who cares?
So I see the deal as essentially Manning for Rivers, which Im fine with, and the Superbowl title made whatever criticisms I had of the deal fade away.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Apr 29, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other than both having tremendous speed and both being return men(although Maclin returns kickoffs and Jackson does not), there’s not a ton of comparisons between Jackson and Maclin. They played in completely different college offenses, Maclin has played in the slot, in the backfield, and split out on either side, whereas Desean has always been an outside WR. Jackson is fantastic at the intermediate routes, whereas Maclin has little experience with those coming from a spread offense, where he went deep or caught screens.
Plus Maclin is a lot bigger at 6-1.
Either way, considering how well Jackson played in his rookie year, I’d be ecstatic if Maclin were “another Jackson.”
by JasonB on Apr 29, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting thing
Eagles too Maclin … Giants took Nicks & Ramses Barden
Eagles took McCoy … Giants took Andre Brown
Eagles took TE Cornelius Ingram … Giants took TE Travis Beckum
Eagles traded for Jason Peters … Giants drafted William Beatty
3-4 years from now it would be really interesting to analyze which team makes out better.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 29, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God,I hate the Eagles
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Apr 29, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, there are a lot of similarities there. Hadn’t realized that.
by JasonB on Apr 29, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Similarities
I was watching this trend because it seems that both teams had similar needs to address throughout the off-season. So, it’s worth noting.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 29, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of trends, interestingly
We know teams play cat-n-mouse during FA, and the Giants sign Canty and Bernard an what do the Eagles do, they sign Andrews and traded for Peters, hmmm?!!! The timeline might not be there but it’s the idea. Oh, and BTW, Osi is back!!!
The draft: Well first, the Eagles traded Lito Shepperd a few weeks prior to the draft to the Jets. Then as the draft progressed, the Giants got Nicks, Barden and Beckum. To note: Sheldon Brown isn’t too happy of late, what do the Eagle do, they traded for Ellis Hobbs!
This may be all speculative, but it might carry some factual weight i think.
by Hootman on Apr 29, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s no doubt that the Eagles were counter punching.
by njgiant on Apr 29, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like any good franchise would
so props to them.
by brisulph on Apr 30, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
it seems like the Giants and Eagles are separating themselves from the pack a little bit. I’d say that going into the season smart money would be on either of them to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl. I hate the Eagles, but you’ve gotta give em credit for being a well run franchise.
by cjmulrain on Apr 30, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rule of 85
Whenever I can’t make sense of something I go with the Rule of 85.
85% of people are dumb. I guess that would apply to several front offices in the NFL.
by Woogie526 on Apr 29, 2009 9:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That number goes up....
In South Florida, I’m sure gobs will attest
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 29, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we all figured it was safe to assume that the Giants defensive stategy wasn’t going to change when Spags left, but the difference is going to be in how Sheridan gameplans for teams, and what adjustments he makes on the fly.
If Spags wanted Sheridan as his DC, I think that’s all we need to know about his creds.
I’m with Ed on zone blitzing. There are few things more frustrating in football than watching the Giants give up a big play, and then seeing the replay and saying, “What in God’s name is Fred Robbins doing covering that guy?”
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 29, 2009 9:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zone blitzes
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. I can’t stand watching a defensive linemen trying to cover a RB or TE. That’s why I’m glad they left Kiwi on the defensive line.
Zone blitzes work best with a 3-4 defense where you have more linebackers out on the field.
How refreshing to see a pair of unselfish WRs.
by John W on Apr 29, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LOL
I think that teams tend to get a little too cute and you’ve got some coaches and coodinators trying to be the next “genius”. Let’s face it, we are not a cute team. We are a power, smashmouth team, both on offense and defense and maybe this year speacial teams also.
by njgiant on Apr 29, 2009 9:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
speak for yourself
I am damned cute
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 29, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3-4 Defense
Does it seem that the Giants are acquiring the personnel for a 3-4 Defense? Sintim and Kiwanuka can play OLB in the 3-4, meaning both could be pass rushing LBs. The have Canty & Tuck that are good ends in the 3-4. Robbin/Cofield/Bernard are not true nose takcles, but would be adequate.
by mymanren on Apr 29, 2009 11:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
but what about interior linebackers?
they’re weak in that area in a 4-3, let alone a 3-4. I think what’s most likely happening is the Giants are on their way to inventing the next big defense, the 6-1-4.
by cjmulrain on Apr 29, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve seen the Eagles and the Giants run a 6-1-4. Its when you put 2 linebackers on the LOS and make the O-line guess who is coming and who is dropping into coverage on the short underneath routes. A Browns fan did a very good analysis on this when the Eagles played them.
by Clyde Simmons on Apr 29, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IMO, coincidence
I think the Giants like to have player’s that have positional flexibility for the type of defense’s they want to employ. It’s also creates healthy depth should a player go down. How many teams could have lost two starting Ends in one year and still not miss a beat (even though they slowed down by years end)? I think it was their goal this offseason to ensure that this won’t happen again.
by Hootman on Apr 29, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not switching
I agree w/Hootman. They simply like flexibility. The ability to move players around confuses the defense, and allows you to find physical matchups that are in your favor. I think that is what they really like.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 29, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
If they eventually get a big fat for the middle then they would be set.
But yea, the ILB’s aren’t exactly there either, tho Id say Pierce Goff and Kiehl would be OK in there, they all are decent size.
I don;t think its a reality tho. They will probably just have a bunch of formations. They like verstility.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 29, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eagles defense
The Giants run the Jim Johnson style defense and this is exactly what they do with their d-line personnel. They use guys that could be 3-4 OLBs as DEs, they put DEs as pass rushers in the middle… The Eagles are all about positional flexibility up front so it makes sense that the Giants would look to do that as well if they’re going to run a similar system.
by JasonB on Apr 29, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Sheridan
Bill Sheridan follows in the footsteps of some big names. Former defensive coordinators for the Giants include Bill Parcells, Bill Belecheck, and most recently of course Steve Spagnuolo.
by John W on Apr 29, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a few days late, John W,
but got to put my oar in the water for Tom Landry, maybe the best D Coordinator in Giants history (and did it while he played DB as well. (Trust a gabby old fart to remember glories of old.)
by blue gonz on May 1, 2009 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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