Ramses Barden highlights

by Ed Valentine on Apr 26, 2009 1:13 PM EDT in New York Giants News

The Giants traded up, with the Eagles no less, to get wide receiver Ramses Barden with the 85th selection of the third round. Barden is the 6-foot-6 monster from Cal-Poly many of you have been touting.

I know I love this move. This could be a guy who becomes a real difference-maker within a couple of seasons. From Ralph Vacchiano, the Giants gave up their third-round pick (91st overall) and one of their two fifth-round selections (164th).

Here is a Barden highlight reel. I apologize if there is no sound.

From Draft Countdown.

Great height and outstanding bulk...Excellent athleticism...Real strong and physical...Good leaper with terrific ball skills...Runs with some power...Has a nose for the endzone...Decent blocker...Intelligent with solid intangibles..Extremely productive and was dominant at his level.

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I love this pick

he looks like a man amongst boys in that highlight reel, and there was no need for slo-mo or any other kinds of effects. I know the competition wasn’t great, but even in the NFL there aren’t any 6’6 corners – his size advantage is very real.

by cjmulrain on Apr 26, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions

To me

I am thinking that this is the guy who makes or breaks this draft. If he becomes the big-time Harold Carmichael type target then JR has hit another home run in the draft.

by Ed Valentine on Apr 26, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions

And if he's a bust

then he didn’t. You can say that about any pick. Way, way too early to make proclamations about it being a great draft. Looks promising, but we’ll have to see.

by Mount17 on Apr 26, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions

true know one knows

but considering that pretty much every pick from round 1-4 was a player that people on this site have wanted on the team at some point, its reason for excitement.

Doesn’t make them great picks either, but you can’t argue with the logic of any of these picks.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 26, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree with that

All you can ask is that they appear to have a plan and make logical picks. (That’s why I love the Beatty pick – maybe he’s a bust, but it has a high upside and you can’t argue with the thought process behind it.) But after that, whether it turns out in the long run to be a good draft probably has as much to do with luck as anything else, especially at positions like WR.

by Mount17 on Apr 26, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions

injuries too

It always seems that while any rook can be derailed by injuries, it just seems that once a young WR gets injured and misses a lot of time, usually in training camp, then the guy fails.

Of course that’s luck too.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 26, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions

No way the Iggles regert that trade.

Hee hee.

Save the neck for me, Clark.

by Mr. Met on Apr 26, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions

ALSO

There’s no way I regert my spelling in my pervious psot.

Save the neck for me, Clark.

by Mr. Met on Apr 26, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions

lol

by cjmulrain on Apr 26, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions

LOL!!

Dude, drinking and posting is not always a good idea!!

by Ed Valentine on Apr 26, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions

As an eagles fan....

of course we don’t regret trading this pick, he looks alot like hank baskett in college, both big tall, relatively fast guys. The issue with barden has been his hands and his desire to play. With all his measurables why didnt he go to a premier program? I am not knocking the pick, i am just saying that there were detrimental factors in ramses’ game. That being said WR is finally not a huge concern with the eagles (thank you oakland for letting us get Maclin).

Can it be……there is not a true #1 reciever in all of the NFC EAST????!!!

by PierrEagles on Apr 27, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Moss

and Roy Williams are both 1Bs – they’re not top tier #1’s, but they’re definitely among the 25 or so best receivers in the league. Williams was ignored by the Cowboys last year, but I don’t think that’s a knock on his talent.

by cjmulrain on Apr 27, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions

You're right

sorry to say cuz your an eagles fan….

But I always wonder about these small school guys too. But who knows why he went there, he’s not the only one tho so its not like its a rare occurrence.

BTW, Rames had great hands. His desire to play I haven’t hear about, but if it is Im sure playing for a few hundred tho, plus the possiblity of a big second contract, will help. Maybe if he really was a man among boys at Cal Poly then that would hurt his desire, its maybe was just too easy.

You may like Maclin now, but other than speed what does he do? At least Jackson was an extremely good WR at Cal U, but Maclin really was just a Percy Harvin type.

If Maclin turns out to be a punt returner only and Barden into New Plax…..you’ll regret this.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 28, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions

He's gigantic.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Apr 26, 2009 1:29 PM EDT reply actions

love love love this pick, my favorite of the draft

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 26, 2009 1:35 PM EDT reply actions

Ah!!

Tell us how you really feel, jrs!

by Ed Valentine on Apr 26, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions

Great red zone target.

I’m more excited about this pick (at this point in the draft) than NIcks. His height should make him a great target in the red zone.

by Ozzle on Apr 26, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions

I'm just always a fan of anyone

Who’s first name is a plural.

"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin

by Mr. Met on Apr 26, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions

Plus

How can you not love a guy named after an Egyptian Pharaoh.

by Tucker Fredrickson on Apr 26, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Sounds like there a re nothing left but the lunatics

at Radio City.

"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin

by Mr. Met on Apr 26, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions

This guy's size is sick

If he can catch, defenses are in trouble. Eli’s got some new toys and I couldn’t be happier. Braylon who? I think Jerry did just fine.

by njgiant on Apr 26, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions

I started screaming

as soon as they made this pick.. i guess its time to run around my house naked

It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying

http://novafacts.blogspot.com

by Hoyadestroya85 on Apr 26, 2009 2:15 PM EDT reply actions

Just close the curtains!!

by njgiant on Apr 26, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions

EEwwwwwwww!!

TMI, baby, TMI!!

by Ed Valentine on Apr 26, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions

Roster

How the hell are the Giants going to fit half of these picks in their roster? Or at least the we know the Giants want to play or develop: Nicks, Sintim, Beckum, and Barden.

by Rabbivole on Apr 26, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions

Not hard to fit them in

We have two open spots at wide receiver and one at running back. Sinitim replaces Gerris Wilkinson, and Beatty replaces Koets or Kevin Boothe. At tight end,I guess Darcy Johnson goes because they probably want to keep Matthews as a blocking tight end.

by Tucker Fredrickson on Apr 26, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions

They won't

So, we will get some real competition for some spots, and some good players will get cut loose.

by Ed Valentine on Apr 26, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Or maybe some guys that were marginal

Sinorice Moss might well be gone too. The only one of the guys I named that I think has any potential is Darcy Johnson.

by Tucker Fredrickson on Apr 26, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions

2 WR gone

so that’s Nicks and Barden.

Bomar could go to the Practice squad. Brown replaces Ward.

Yea, Id say Darcey Johnson and Boothe/Koetes are either cut or practice squad guys. Beatty and Beckum are going to make the team.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 26, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions

The Eagles are in Trouble!

Basketball coaches say you can’t teach height. But I was a bit suspect of Ramses until I saw the video clips. He already runs some of Eli’s favorite routes.

Taller and younger than Plaxico and with much less baggage. Looks like a great pick.

Dan, the Eagles are in TROUBLE!

Can’t wait till football season.

by Giant fan on Apr 26, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions

Don't forget about Becks

He may end up being the steal of the draft. The guy was amazing at UW and his injury and the fact he is more WR/TE than TE caused his drop.

The guy has great hands too (like Nicks and barden).

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 26, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Beckum

Reese told ESPN that he won’t be used at tight end, per se. They will use him off the line as an H Back type. Another guy with great hands, and good size who can possibly be a target for Eli.

by Ed Valentine on Apr 26, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions

I've heard comparisons

to keyshawn.. without the baggage

It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying

http://novafacts.blogspot.com

by Hoyadestroya85 on Apr 26, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions

OMG!!!

My dream did come true. Of the WR’s we will have…

Hixon, Smith, Manningham, Nicks, Barden, Moss, Tyree, and Rucker, i would dare say at least Moss is in danger of a roster spot. But of that scenario, i really want Rucker to succeed. What team can have two player’s that are the exact clones of Plaxico in Barden and Rucker? Holy mismatches in the redzone and or other situations!

Like Tucker said, if i remember correctly, Ramses The Great ruled Egypt for 64 years. I would like to see at least 10 years (6+4) of ruling out of Ramses. And Micah, when i looked it up awhile back, i think it meant God-like, or God-sent. It doesn’t matter, it’s an omen! lol

by Hootman on Apr 26, 2009 3:37 PM EDT reply actions

Oh, no!

Another Rucker fan. You and ‘Ny17’ are going to have to start a fan club. Seriously, some of these guys will pan out, some won’t. But now there is enough depth that you know it will work out.

by Ed Valentine on Apr 26, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Small school receivers

He obviously has a lot to prove to even be mentioned in the same breath as these guys but its not a coincidence that guys like Jerry Rice, Randy Moss, and Terrell Owens all came from small college football programs. There are so many kids that don’t fully develop in terms of size or skill needed to be a polished WR until their freshman or sophomore year in college. That is why you take the chance on someone like Ramses. I am really looking forward to seeing what this beast can do.

by JINTS14 on Apr 26, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions

Don't forget

Vincent Jackson and Brandon Marshall.

I have no idea if Ramses is as explosive as these guys. And Marshall and Jackson both didn’t really contribute until their second year, but obviously Ramses doesn’t really have to do that.

But like the Chargers with Jackson and Broncos with Marshall, these small school WR can really work out well.

I think Ramses compares will with these guys. Jackson ran a 4.45, Marshal Ran a 4.57, Ramses ran a 4.5 (some had 4.6, but doesn’t matter). He is bigger than Jackson and Marshall, and seems to be just as fast with jumping ability, great hands and unlike Marshall and to some extent Jackson, Ramses has no character flaws (as of now, NFL changes guys).

Plus his name is Ramses and his dad played at NYU (basketball——Ramses played B-Ball too!!) that’s enough for me.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 26, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions

Ill also add that Barden

ran a 4.4 on some watches, but his Pro-day had 4.51. (BTW, Plaxico ran a 4.56-4.59). I don;t think 40 times are everything, but they do tell you some—Ramses has speed.

This guy could be incredible

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 26, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Barden and screen passes

Based in that video, Cal-Poly used that wide receiver screen to Barden quite a bit. Looks like they used the FB in that Double wing and the center to pull out and block. Could be something the Giants could do with him as well. The Giants never use the screen pass enough, both for RB and WR. Given how good the O-line is with pulling out and blocking on the run, the Giants need to do that more, especially with Bradshaw and Barden on the receiving end. That’s the biggest criticism I have with Gilbride. He has good personnel for screens, but rarely calls them.

by lizard on Apr 26, 2009 8:36 PM EDT reply actions

Eli cannot throw them

he’s proven it over and over again, that he just can’t do it consistently. It may be because they never run it tho.

I agree, Id love to see the screen, to whoever’s out there be it Barden, Andre Brown, Manningham, whoever.

I still have that Kevin Boss screen in my head from one of the skins games, but that was the first and last….

Gilbride has the plays in the book I think, but either he or Coughlin refuse to call them. There’s probably a good reason, but who knows.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 26, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Come on

I don’t know that Eli has proven he can’t throw a screen pass. It’s a screen pass for christ sakes, its not hard. Just flip it out there.

by lizard on Apr 26, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions

Its true

I know he CAN throw them, he just doesn’t do it well consistently. Its really not just flipping the ball out there, its footwork and timing, not 2 of Eli’s strengths.

Maybe its Gilbride not using them enough so he doesn’t get a feek in game for it. But from what I;ve seen he just can’t do it well.

Its seems like simple play, but then again in Giants history they’ve never really been good screen teams. Its weird cuz with the Giants O-Line you’d think it would be a real weapon.

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 27, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions

great article on ramses

from his local paper
http://www.sanluisobispo.com/sports/story/696451.html
Ramses Alexander Barden
He already has a nickname lined up.. Ramses the Great or The Pharaoh..

It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying

http://novafacts.blogspot.com

by Hoyadestroya85 on Apr 26, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions