Giants' choice is ... Moreno
by Ed Valentine on Apr 21, 2009 12:30 PM EDT
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Enough teasing. The photo pretty much gives it away, but with the 29th selection in the Big Blue View Community Mock Draft the New York Giants select Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia.
I have to be honest. I am pretty stunned at how this worked out. When we started this little endeavor I never expected to end up choosing a running back when the Giants' selection came up.
But, the reason for this choice is clear. And it really was not a difficult pick for me to make.
The logic was actually summed up perfectly by 'potroast' in the 'Who should I pick' thread from this morning. Here was 'pot's' comment.
Moreno is simply the best talent left on the board and by a large margin. ... There are really no clear 1st rounders left at our need positions (WR, LB, & OL) in this draft.
Exactly. This is the Mathias Kiwanuka situation from a few seasons back all over again. Moreno is unquestionably the best player available the way our draft has worked out, and when the disparity is that obvious you don't ignore it.
Moreno is a guy who could go in the first 20 selections in this weekend's real NFL Draft. In our scenario, 'queler,' picking for the Philadelphia Eagles, e-mailed to say that had we backtracked and re-done the Eagles pick at 21 to account for the Jason Peters trade, he would have snagged Moreno there.
So, to find this kind of value sitting at 29 is actually a tremendous coup.
There was no wide receiver worthy of a first-round selection left. Either Brian Robiskie (Ohio State) or Ramses Barden (Cal-Poly) would be excellent choices later on, but not here.
I never like basing a pick strictly on a perceived need. That is because what you think a team's needs are in April can look drastically different than what they actually end up being in November. So, take the best players and let the chips fall.
Had I gone strictly on a need basis here, I would probably have chosen between Virigina linebacker Clint Sintim and Connecticut offensive tackle William Beatty. A logical case could be made for either guy.
I think, though, that the way our first round played out one of them would be available for the Giants in the second round at 45. Also, if the Giants really wanted one of those two players they have plenty of extra picks they could use to move up early into the second round and grab one of them. If I did not take Moreno here, I am certain he does not get past Arizona at 31.
Your thoughts?
-- This puts the Tennessee Titans and 'GullySully77' on the clock. E-mail the pick to bigblueview@gmail.com.
| 1. Detroit Lions (selected by 'cjmulrain') |
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Jason Smith, OT, Baylor: Conventional wisdom says that the Lions are going to select quarterback Matt Stafford of Georgia, but since I'm running the show I'm going in a different direction. I'm not convinced that Stafford is going to be a star QB in the league, and when you're taking a guy with the first pick I don't think you can have any doubts about it, especially when you're coming off the first ever 0-16 season in NFL History. Even if Stafford does have the tools to be a great quarterback, the Lions have no semblance of an O-line to protect him, putting him at risk to develop David Carr syndrome if he were brought in to play right away. To address this, I went with Smith, who profiles as a potential franchise left tackle. I strongly believe in the philosophy of building a football team from the lines out and think a team as devoid of talent as the Lions would be better served with a rock at left tackle. I was tempted by Aaron Curry but think there will be better value on the defensive side of the ball at the 20th pick than there will be on the O-line. As for QB, let's just say that I'm not too optimistic about the prospects for the 2009 Lions and like the thought of Colt McCoy in silver and blue. | |
| 2. St. Louis Rams ('Woogie526') |
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Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest: Well this decision was originally going to be a selfish one by the new coach. However, with Jason Smith off the board, it became a no-brainer. I choose Aaron Curry, LB, Wake Forest. He would be the brain of Spag's defense. In the crazy schemes Spags uses, he needs a general on the field to organize blitzes and coverages. | |
| 3. Kansas City Chiefs ('jrs1940') |
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Brian Orapko, OLB, Texas: Orakpo is an NFL ready defensive end. He is 6-4 and 258 pounds and a great athlete who can power or finesse his way into the backfield. He tallied four tackles-for-loss and a half a sack as a freshman and earned Big 12 Defensive Freshman of the Year honors. The following year he managed 4.5 sacks and six tackles-for-loss. As an upperclassman last season Orakpo improved those numbers and ended up with 5.5 sacks and nine tackles-for-loss, although his playing time was limited due to a knee injury. He is much better than that guy the Rams stole from us, I’m glad we didn’t get him. | |
| 4. Seattle Seahawks ('bkurcz') | ||
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Eugene Monroe, OT, Virginia: I know its not the sexy pick, with Stafford and Crabtree still out there, but it's the pick that makes the most sense. The three main areas that Seattle needs to improve are O-line, WR and secondary. The WR depth in the draft is pretty good, I'm sure there is going to be an attractive prospect early in the second round at that position. Number 4 is a little early to take any of this year's DBs and a future replacement for Matt Hasselback can wait 'til late in the draft or next year. So, my pick for a guy that has proven himself at guard and tackle is a smart way to go. Especially because Walter Jones isn't getting any younger. | |
| 5. Cleveland Browns ('jp2y') | ||
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Michael Crabtree, WR, Texas Tech: With stud pass-rushing talent Brian Orakpo fresh off of the board, Mangini and Kokinis select the gifted receiver from Texas Tech, Michael Crabtree. His off-the-charts production at Tech proved that he was not merely a system product of Mike Leach's high-octane offense. There have been rumblings of a Giants-Browns trade for Braylon Edwards for weeks now, and the Browns have done nothing to dispel those rumors. Crabtree will replace the talented yet drop-prone Edwards, and replace him as Cleveland's deep threat for the next decade, and most likely develop into an All-Pro talent. The extra picks obtained from the Edwards trade will allow Mangini to focus on the defensive side of the ball. | |
| 6. Cincinnati Bengals ('ETVal') |
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Andre Smith, OT, Alabama: The Bengals are like the baggage claim service at the airport. They love to collect players with suitcases full of it, and that makes the enigmatic Smith the perfect pick in this spot. The fact that Cincinnati desperately needs someone who can help keep Carson Palmer in one piece, and that the 6-foot-4, 332-pound Smith should do that quite well, is just a bonus. | |
| 7. Oakland Raiders ('hoyadestroya85') |
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Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland: Throwing it deep is what the Raiders are all about. We already have our Howitzer Armed Quarterback, so now what we need is a guy to go over the top of defenses. There is no better person for this role than Darrius Heyward-Bey from Maryland. I know he doesn't have the "production" and he may be a "workout warrior" but this guy is what the Raiders are all about. We don't want little dump off passes like the Rich Gannon/Jon Gruden days. Chicks dig the long ball and that's what we're gonna give them. | |
| 8. Jacksonville Jaguars ('mymanren') |
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B.J. Raji, DT, Boston College: Jacksonville has glaring needs at WR and in their interior defense. Maclin is a very tempting pick here, but his skills are still pretty raw and will need time to develop. Jacksonville is one season removed from an 11-5 record, and will probably make a safer pick that can have more of an immediate impact. Raji will wreak havoc in the middle with John Henderson and will take attention away from the two DEs they drafted last year. Jacksonville definitely missed Stroud last season, and are now also without Mike Peterson. Jacksonville still needs a WR with Jones, Williams, and Porter all gone, but this is a receiver rich draft and the Jags have been burned by high WR picks. I think they'll go for offense with their other picks. Also, David Garrard is their guy they won't throw this pick away on a QB. In the real draft I think Jacksonville is a prime candidate to trade down. | |
| 9. Green Bay Packers ('Dick Murdock') |
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Malcom Jenkins, CB, Ohio State: After nearly wetting themselves when B.J. Raji almost slipped to this spot, the Pack must recollect themselves and get as much value as possible. There are a bunch of pressing needs at DE, DT, and OT. They also have two elder CB in Harris and Woodson. I was tempted to take Everette Brown, however, he doesn't fit the mold of a 3-4 DE. I also gave other consideration on the defensive line, but decided on Malcolm Jenkins because both of their CBs are on the wrong side of 30. This is a reach and I don't think entirely too much of this player, but my plan got spoiled when Raji was selected. I would also consider selecting one of the QBs and later trade in a package, but that's a whole new can of worms. |
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| 10. San Francisco 49ers ('Free Bradshaw') |
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Aaron Maybin, OLB, Penn State: 49ers get probably the second best DE prospect in the draft. Like Orakpo and Everette Brown, I think they all would be better suited to play their natural position, 4-3 DE. But as a 3-4 OLB, Maybin can use his speed, strenght and pass-rushing ability to help the Niners do what they had trouble doing, get to the QB. Since the Niners go in this direction, they have confirmeed that Manny Lawson is a true bust. They won't cut him, but at least him and Maybin will push each other for playing time It could work out well cuz Giants fans know that too many pass rushers is a good thing. This was a tough pick cuz I don't really think the Niners want Maybin. I could have grabbed either QB, but I think Shaun Hill is their starter and they like him. Also Alex Smith is still on the roster. I also thought about Jeremy Maclin, but the Niners have a bunch of young WR they want to develop. OT- Oher was also an option, but they signed Marvel Smtih. |
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| 11. Buffalo Bills ('Greek') |
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Everette Brown, DE, Florida State: The Bills are in a tough spot with this pick as they can go in several directions. A lot depends on how negotiations with starting LT Jason Peters progress. Assuming that Jason Peters is still a Buffalo Bill when the draft starts, the biggest area of need for this team is an improved pass rush. With 13.5 sacks last year, Brown will make an immediate impact for a team that totaled only 24 sacks in 2008. Brown will be able to play outside in a 4-3 scheme and not be forced to convert to a rush linebacker, allowing him to contribute right away. Many experts have the Bills looking at Oklahoma State TE Brandon Pettigrew with this pick. However, with Dick Jauron having to win now to keep his job next year, and the addition of TO on the offensive side of the ball, an impact defensive pass rush specialist is the smart pick here. | |
| 12. Denver Broncos ('lizard') |
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Matt Stafford, QB, Georgia: This is one of the Broncos two first round picks after the Cutler deal. Many of the football talking heads believe the Broncos might package this pick and the #18 pick to move up and take a QB, probably Sanchez. I don't see that happening. I think Orton will be the starter and if the Broncos trade two first round picks for a QB, what are they really gaining from the Cutler deal? The Broncos are switching from a poor 4-3 to a 3-4 and need the right personnel. If B.J Raji was available, he would have been the pick here without hesitation. Raji would have become the all-important 3-4 nose tackle. If Stafford actually did fall to the Broncos, they would probably trade out of this pick to acquire more picks in later rounds. Some team would definitely trade up to get Stafford here. McDaniels is a Belichick disciple and knows the value of trading down in the draft. Although Denver has more pressing defensive needs, Stafford is too good a value to pass on him right here. And since I can't trade out, Stafford is the pick. | |
| 13. Washington Redskins ('Rick Snider') |
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Mark Sanchez, QB, USC: Seriously, I can't believe Sanchez will be around for the 13th pick. But given in this mock draft that he is, the Redskins would gladly grab him. In fact, don't be surprised to see them trade up to do it. The Redskins missed trading for Denver quarterback Jay Cutler and incumbent Jason Campbell is in his last year. The Redskins don't want to re-sign Campbell so grabbing a quarterback to groom for one year under coach Jim Zorn is a given. (Uh, whatever happened to second-year passer Colt Brennan that everyone wants to anoint as the next Sonny Jurgensen? Last year's model, baby. Dan Snyder likes shiny new toys.) So, Sanchez is the pick for this draft. | |
| 14. New Orleans Saints ('CodyK') |
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14. Robert Ayers, DE, Tennessee: The choice here is easy. I wanted to further upgrade thedefensive line at first. So at first glance, I wanted Maybin here, but missed him by four slots. Then I thought about LB - but with Fujita and Vilma (JV resigned in February for 5 years and the Saints gave up a decent amount to get Vilma in the first place) I thought the Saints were actually ok at the LB spot. So to look for a true need, its gotta be playmaker in the secondary. Jenkins would be perfect here, but the Packers picked him up already. So I'm going with Robert Ayers, DE from Tennessee. |
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| 15. Houston Texans ('one-bar') |
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Brian Cushing, OLB, USC: I thought long and hard about this pick with so much talent still left on the board. My first instinct would was to take Vontae Davis here but the Texans already have a productive Jacques Reeves on the other of Dunta Robinson and drafted Antwaun Molden with their 2nd pick last year. Plus, their bigger pressing need in the secondary is at Safety and not Cornerback. I also considered taking Beanie Wells who would compliment Slaton as a great change-of-pace running back, but I also figured with no RB taken yet there will still be plenty of talent at this position in the later rounds - it worked well with Slaton. So this leaves me with Cushing - an intense player who never quits and should be productive at the NFL level who also fits a serious need at OLB. Cushing can stop the run inside or out and holds his own in the passing game as he played Safety throughout high school. I am bothered about the steriod allegations and it almost stopped me from picking him. But then again nothing has been confirmed and passing on this kind of talent at a position the Texans are hurting at wouldn't justify any other choice I would have made. He is considered a top value player at a top position need, I believe that if Cushing is available here come 4/25/09 the Texans won't be able to get their selection up to Roger soon enough. |
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Rey Maualuga LB, USC: So now that 'one-bar' took my pick I will not go far (just like Mel Kiper) on my pick. Although I was thinking about getting a running back because we all know Tomlinson (I refuse to call him LT) only plays about 12 games a season. But as we all know you can get a good RB on the 5th round.
So with my 16th pick I choose Rey Maualuga LB, USC Merriman is coming from an off season and I think the chargers need to improve in that area. Who knows how good Merriman will be this season recovering from surgery and with free agency next year (although they may not share same spot). I think Maualuga will bring intensity and has the tools to be a "good" LB in the San Diego defense just like Cushing the USC LB's are a good trio that has not been on the spotlight because of the USC offense, but when required Maualuga has been right on the money. |
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| 17. New York Jets ('mwilli') |
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Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri: Laveranues Coles has committed himself to purgatory by signing with the Bengals, and the Jets are now left with Jerrico Cotchery, a former QB, one guy named Clowney and another named Stuckey -- not the point guard for the Pistons -- playing at WR. The Jets need a receiver. They have made it known they need a receiver. If wheelin' n' dealin' were a part of this mock, I would be throwing all sorts of picks at jp2y and ETVal (for the Browns and/or Bungles slots) so the Giants' tenant could draft Michael Crabtree or Mark Sanchez. Alas, Ed (properly) rules his roost with a no trade policy. I am left with the choice between Jeremy Maclin, Percy Harvin, and if the comedy gods allow... Josh Freeman. Seeing as this is the Jets I am speaking for, I am tempted to draft the wild card Harvin, reach for a stiff like Freeman, or attempt to redraft Roger Vick because it would be a terrible pick in typical Jets fashion. (See here for enjoyable explanation.) I can't in good conscience do this... and I think GM Mike Tannenbaum is a fairly smart guy -- Vernon Gholston excepted. Maclin is the choice. This is a bit of a drop for the Mizzou speedster, and the Jets would (should) be falling all over themselves to grab this guy. He immediately becomes a solid compliment to an already talented Cotchery, and could eventually become a player in the Panthers' Steve Smith mold and the #1 option for Brett Ratliff/Kellen Clemens/Eric Ainge/Colt McCoy/Browning Nagle. |
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| 18. Denver Broncos ('lizard') |
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Tyson Jackson, DE, LSU: Jackson is considered the best 3-4 defensive end in this years draft. The Broncos need personnel that can play in a 3-4 and Jackson's size would allow him to occupy blockers so linebackers can run free. Although the Broncos also need a nose tackle, like Ron Brace from Boston College, he would be a reach at this position. A linebacker could also be the pick here, but I think Jackson fills a greater need. | |
| 19. Tampa Bay Buccaneers ('DaBigBlue') |
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Peria Jerry, DT, Ole Miss: All of the talk down here in Central Florida has been about the Bucs taking a QB here – and that with Stafford and Sanchez off the board, Josh Freeman would be the next best available. But with the April 13 signing of Byron Leftwich, it appears Tampa fans no longer need to worry about seeing Luke McCown under center on opening day. The Bucs already have a project in second-year QB Josh Johnson, so it makes no sense to me as to why they would throw first-round money at Josh Freeman. The rest of the offense is solid with a good OL, and the addition of Winslow and our former “wind” at RB means the QB, whoever it is, will have some good skill players around him. So turning to defense, the primary needs are the DB’s and DL. Only because the Bucs took a DB in the first round last year will I arbitrarily look to shore up the DL instead, by selecting DT Peria Jerry of Ole Miss. | |
| 20. Detroit Lions (from Dallas Cowboys, 'cjmulrain') |
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Clay Matthews, OLB, USC: I initially wanted to go defensive line here, but I think Matthews is the best defensive player available and when you're a team that literally has "needs" at every position, you might as well take the best guy you can. Matthews is solid in every aspect of the game if not spectacular in any, he's an intelligent self-made player (former walk on at USC), and he has a good pedigree (father and uncle both played in the NFL). I don't know that he'll ever be a superstar, but he should be a very solid LB for years to come. | |
| 21. Philadelphia Eagles ('queler') |
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Michael Oher, OT, Ole Miss: I'm all for taking best value available, but seeing as I don't have my own team of scouts, I'm going to draft based on need. After receiving a detailed analysis from my buddy psudrozz, it seems the Eagles are in need of new OT and a complimentary RB to keep Westbrook healthy. I think tackle is the way to go to here as Runyan can't have a lot left in the tank (besides elbow dropping people after the whistle), and unlike Giants fans, Eagles fans do not ever want to see Winston Justice at tackle ever again. I almost flipped a coin here between Oher and Britton, but ultimately based on random google search results and a last minute text message to my buddy, went for Oher. | |
| 22. Minnesota Vikings ('NYG 28') |
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Percy Harvin, WR, Florida: We all know about Percy Harvin. He played running back his last year at Florida, but is known for his wide receiver skill set. He helped Tim Tebow lead the Gators to a national championship. He is a straight up, bonafide playmaker. And that is why the Vikings take him over an OT. With Bernard Berrian as the deep threat, and Adrian Peterson being the most lethal running back in the NFL, the Vikings just need the drop off guy for Rosenfels/Jackson to throw to. Berrian, Rice, Wade, and Shiancoe were good last year with there short catches... but picture this... Percy Harvin in the slot, Berrian on the outside, A.D. in the backfield, and the opposing defense playing to stop the run while still trying to keep Berrian from breaking deep. Harvin will be there to catch and weave through traffic like nobody's business. Or what if they took up the ever popular wildcat with Tarvaris Jackson, Percy Harvin, and Adrian Peterson? That would be a three-headed monster no defense would want to mess with (if it worked, that is). All in all the Vikings do need another receiver (which is why they went after T.J. Houshmandzadeh), and who better than Harvin at pick 22? In the real draft I am looking for the Vikings to trade back out of this pick in order to get a few more, especially since they don't have a 4th round pick.. Maybe the G-men could trade their 29th pick and a 5th or 6th rounder for #22 to secure an elite LB or WR. |
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| 23. New England Patriots ('potroast') |
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Vontae Davis, CB, Illinois: The biggest need coming into the draft for the Pats is an OLB/DE that can get to the ball, but the best of this crop is already off the board and the Pats have three 2nd round picks with an early round selection (#34) and will be able to get good value there at that position (Barwin or English would be ideal). James Laurinaitis is also an option here as the heir apparent to Teddy Bruschi, but I’m not sold on him so I’m passing. Therefore I’m picking the best defensive player left on the board and someone that also fills a real need in their secondary … Vontae Davis. Davis is big, fast and athletic … a guy who takes risks and gets to the ball and can fill that role that’s been missing since Asante Samuel left. The knock on him seems to be a lack of discipline (much like his brother) and over-aggressiveness, therefore there is no better team that can set him straight and make him a star. | |
| 24. Atlanta Falcons ('kingofatlanta') |
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James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio State: Let's face it, if any body has defensive needs in this draft it’s the Falcons. The loss of Grady Jackson, Keith Brooking, Domonique Foxworth and Michael Boley this off-season, as if they had room to lose anyone. James Laurinaitis has the ability and the intellect to step in and impact this sub-par defense. Laurinaitis is the son of world-renowned wrestler; Joe Laurinaitis who competed as the "Animal" in the 1980s and 1990s as part of the tag team called the Road Warriors (Legion of Doom). How can you go wrong with that? Laurinaitis won All-Big Ten Conference first-team honors, and for the second consecutive year was named the league's Defensive Player of the Year. He ranked second in the Big Ten and 14th in the nation with an average of 10.0 tackles per game. |
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| 25. Miami Dolphins ('gobs56') |
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Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina: Knowing Parcells the way we all do LB seems like the spot to go with this one but being that all the best ones are gone and there will be plenty left for the Fins next pick(12th, round 2) and they also desperately need a CB with Will Allen getting older and contract ending, his partner in crime on the other side of the field, Jason Allen, is more built for the safety position, that being said they also have a second pick in the 2nd round at #24 and with the mediocre CBs in this draft I took the best available talent on the board being Nicks, my pick for the Dolphins is probably shocking. I juggled three names in my head forever and consulted with my friends who by choice wear Teal jerseys(their secure with their sexuality LOL) after many long days of not doing work all week and instead researching this pick I decided to go with the best talent which also happens to be a need so it work out. The other names I was looking at were hometown hero Darius Butler, a beast of a man Larry English (Demarcus Ware written all over him, if it weren't for his injuries that would have been my pick) and Michael Johnson (way too much of a reach at this point). Honorable mention Clint Sintim and Ziggy Hood. Also, Miami fans remember clearly the day Nicks shredded the Hurricanes like they were a high school defense, this guy is loved down here and the Fins defense actually did quite well last year as is, plus with the added safety who we might be familiar with (Gibril) will make a big difference in the secondary. Nicks might not be a star right away or ever but he has the tools for both and will be nice for the franchise to have him learning along with Chad Henne for 2010 when they say he is taking over at QB. OK, I said enough. |
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| 26. Baltimore Ravens ('mahmoodzaky') |
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Brandon Pettigrew, TE, Oklahoma State: With Hakeem Nicks off the board, the Ravens and Ozzie Newsome might be inclined to look towards their defensive needs, which are ILB to replace Bart Scott and CB to add some youth to their aging group, and to replace Samari Rolle. As we all know, the Ravens are great at drafting standouts on defense that contribute right away. Just look at Hroki Ngata. The close second to my choice of Pettigrew was Alphonso Smith , the corner from Wake Forest, because he is the prototypical aggressive DB that the Ravens love - last season he had 8 picks, 3 of which he returned for TDs. Reminiscent of any particular DB on the Ravens? Yeah, I thought so too. However what this team need to take the next step as a team and become more competitive are targets for Joe Flacco. Pettigrew’s quick acceleration and excellent hands will make him a constant, reliable target up the middle. Most importantly, he will be productive—he plays physical and fights to pick up as many yards as possible, which is why 42 percent of his career yardage are YAC. He can catch the ball in traffic, and not only is he a willing blocker (unlike a certain guy we Giant fans are familiar with), he is an extremely talented blocker, both inline and in space. He will match up well against Pittsburgh and he will rally the Ravens offense like Ray Lewis does to their defense with his enthusiasm and vocalness on the sidelines and his natural leadership ability. This guy is easily the best tight end in the ’09 draft class and with a draft that goes like ours does, the Ravens will snatch him up. |
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| 27. Indianapolis Colts ('SBaker') |
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Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers: Britt (6’4, 215) gives the Colts’ something they haven’t, and maybe never had – a big, tall, physical wide receiver. Nobody is questioning the skill of guys like Marvin Harrison or Reggie Wayne, but both of them have been tagged as “finesse” (fairly or unfairly). One thing I can say is that neither Wayne nor Harrison play/played physical football like Britt. Expect the rookie out of Rutgers to line up as the number 2 next to Reggie Wayne. This will allow Anthony Gonzalez to go back to the slot where he’s most dangerous. With Dallas Clark lining up at tight end, the addition of Britt basically gives the Colts’ four legit receiver options for the genetically-superior Manning. | |
| 28. Buffalo Bills (from Philadelphia Eagles, 'Greek') |
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Eben Britton, OT, Arizona: If I knew then what I know now, I might have played this draft a little differently, but in one of the deeper drafts for for offensive lineman, the Bills could certainly do worse with the number 28 pick. Obviously there is a glaring hole or 2 on the offensive line after the trade of Jason Peters to the Eagles. This pick will do something to help solidify one of the positions. Britton played the left side his last year in school and worst case, can start on the right and work his way over as the season progresses. Some have compared his skill set to that of Ryan Clady. If he can get close to that production level in his rookie year, a lot of people in upstate NY will be very happy. |
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| 29. New York Giants ('ETVal') |
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Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia: Moreno is simply the best talent left on the board and by a large margin. ... There are really no clear 1st rounders left at our need positions (WR, LB, & OL) in this draft. ... This is the Mathias Kiwanuka situation from a few seasons back all over again. Moreno is clearly the best player available the way our draft has worked out, and when the disparity is that obvious you don't ignore it. | |
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The Eagles at #21
Id say Moreno isn’t even likely there. I have no idea of course, but with Beanie Wells on the board there wouldn’t he be a better fit considering they need a power back with Westbrook on the roster?
If the Giants don’t trade up, a LB like Maualuga doesn’t freefall, and a WR the Giants like isn’t there, I’d love to have Moreno.
Moreno is more of a sure bet than many players in this draft, including probably the WR. Behind the Giants O-Line, I don’t think its a stretch to say the guy could get 1200 + yards next year regardless of what Jacobs does. Moreno is simply more talented than even D-Ward as he is lightening quick. Moreno is bigger than I thought at 217 lbs.
Moreno
Like I said, never thought it would turn out this way but the guy is too talented to pass on. You never know how long a big, bruiser like Jacobs will stay healthy, and at his peak. I also think there are some offensive linemen and linebackers available to the Giants in the second and third rounds who can help them.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 21, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
After watching a bit of ESPN this morning
Paolantonio says the Eagles are targeting Moreno since Westbrook is injury prone. They want a replacement and not a bruiser like Wells to pair with him.
Usually I agree with the opposite of ESPN, but usually Paolantonio is pretty straight with his sources.
Not saying if won’t happen now, but while I’d love for Moreno to slip, its probably not gonna happen.
That said, Leshon McCoy or Donald Brown are just as capable too, and while either may be 2nd round option, I wouldn’t be surprised if either are on the Giants by next week.
THe best thing about Moreno is his ability to play right away cuz of his pass blocking. This is why he is a Tiki Barber type, or better comparison, Clinton Portis type.
I guess its probably a dream anyway, but its still could happen cuz the eagles usually do the opposite of what everyone thinks on draft day.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 21, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Moreno
might be gone at #16 to San Diego. If he gets past them I don’t think Philly passes him up. I’d be shocked if he fell to 29.
I do think the Giants will take a running back in the first couple of rounds.
If I had my wish it would be Lesean McCoy from Pitt.
Agree with that
between him and Donald Brown I think they’d all be good options. Brown ran for a ton of yards, and McCoy is just as explosive as Moreno.
If McCoy is as good as the last great Pitt Running back, I’d take that anyday (tho a few Georgia RB’s have been good too-Terrell Davis….)
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 21, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Moreno is the only acceptable RB for the Giants
With Jacobs, Bradshaw, and Ware it would be a travesty for the Giants to take a RB in the first 4 rounds (although Moreno is so damn good I couldn’t complain if we drafted him). I know RB depth is important, but good RBs can be found at the very end of the draft and even after it (exhibit A,, Bradshaw).
Bradshaw was a third round pick, but slipped
cuz of the reason he did some time these past few off-seasons.
But we’ll see. Bradshaw has fumbling issues, Ware has no experience, Jacobs fumbling and injuries tho he is incredible. So who knows. Reese likes competition tho.
GUys like McCoy and Donald Brown are not slouches, they may not be Moreno right now but they are going to be damn good backs if they come to the Giants.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 21, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't matter
Guys land in the 7th round for a reason. Giants found him in the 7th, that makes him a 7th. Yes, good RBs can always be found in the middle to late rounds. The Moreno pick here only happened because of the way this draft fell.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 21, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d bet money the Giants take a Running Back in the first three rounds.
Jacobs is so physical that he’s shown a tendency for getting nicked up and I think Bradshaw is best suited to be a back up plus reported to the offseason program overweight (probably because of jail) which didn’t sit well and the Giants brought McCoy in for a workout.
Which all leads me to believe they’re interested in taking a RB within the first couple rounds.
You can’t just depend on picking someone in the last round and hope you find gold.
by SHATNER1234 on Apr 21, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Moreno goes to Philly at 21 if he's there
Philly fans have been talking about Moreno since the beginning of the offseason. If he’s still available at 21 I think the Eagles def take him. They already got their OT, I def see them going playmaker here.
by AllPhillySport on Apr 22, 2009 4:10 AM EDT up reply actions
No doubt
Moreno being available past Philly would be a stunner.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 22, 2009 7:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Great pick
This is an excellent pick. I can see the GMen taking a RB in the 1st if the board presents itself worthy at the time of the pick. I believe Moreno will be long gone prior to this pick but they might have a chance at someone like Donald Brown (who is my favorite RB in the draft). Overall, smart decision in taking the best talent available, I’d be happy if it turned out this way.
Right on the Money
with Stintim, Beatty and Robiskie all having a chance to fall to our #45 pick, you don’t reach for those guys, 1 of them will be there. And if not, Patrick Chung the safety from Oregon will be floating around, so Moreno is not only the best pick, but he opens up some other options – i.e. do you now include Bradshaw or Ware in a trade for a wideout? Do you use Moreno to run the Wildcat? (just thinking out loud)
Exactly
as far as Round 2 is concerned.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 21, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Giants Pick
This would be the best possible pick here if the draft played out like this. However, I would like to see the giants package some picks to either acquire Braylon, Boldin or move up to draft Britt, Heyward-Bey or Nicks. I think the best scenario there would be to trade for Braylon because hes a big target who can stretch the field and can work on fixing his drops problem. The worst scenario there for me would be Boldin because he doesn’t really bring anything to the table the giants truely need at wideout. I think big blue definitely needs to make a trade for some playmaking WR whatever of the those three scenarios it might be.
We agree
We will talk about this more later in the week, but I really think the Giants will not be picking at 29. They will either be picking earlier, or they will trade for Edwards and won’t be picking at all.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 21, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
No doubt you're right about not picking at 29.
Still being the old fart that I am, the idea of the Giants picking an RB #1 gives me the skeeves. We’ve taken far too many as #1s in our history and far too few have produced.
Eewwwwww ...
The ‘skeeves?’ Geesh, George, now I have to think about THAT all day. I need a drink!
by Ed Valentine on Apr 21, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
I do like your pick 100% but it was the same reason i took Nicks and you ragged on that pick, the same guys you told me to grab were available now lol but definitely a smart pick really wouldnt mind Beatty but moreno brings alot of excitment to our running game and maybe sure up the OT with our 2nd pick, forget a WR try and stop Jacobs, Bradshaw and Moreno punkzzzzz!!!
Love this pick
but have to agree with Wash that they probably won’t be picking here. I really, really, really don’t want us trading up for a WR though – either trade for Edwards or if they do trade up, I’d prefer it to be for a LB.
New Account And First Post...
First and foremost, i’ve been viewing this site for the past few weeks, and by far, it contains the most intelligent and most logical of post’s that pertain to the Giants, vs other sites that seem to be disillusional. Other than that, whenever i can, i too hope to add some common sense also!
As for this mock and pick, i missed out by voting within a few minutes. I would’ve picked Moreno also. I really cannot add what hasn’t already been said really, but i was thinking and ETVal pointed this out, whose to say that some of those OL or LB’s would go into the 2nd round and the Giant’s could go up and get them? Not a bad idea considering your arguably getting the best RB in the draft (@ 29, wow) and to add a decent OL or LB prospect in the process!?! By all means, do it.
Other than that, i do have a thought about the WR’s this year. Beside’s the consensus no. 1 with Crabtree, i have this uneasy feeling that no other WR can be deemed the 2nd, 3rd, 4th…etc best WR in this draft?! So if the Giant’s “do”, trade up, i really hope it’s not for a WR! It seems like as we approach the draft, these WR’s that were projected here or there are either sliding, or rising with various reasons. It put’s up a red flag IMO! But in JR we trust.
As a disclaimer, by no means am i an evaluator of talent or have the knowledge to mock a 7 round draft, but i do feel the sense of what may be right for the Giant’s. Whether it’s short term or long! Nonetheless though, if you guy’s keep making too much sense, i won’t have a post count period! lol
welcome Hootman, give us a couple of weeks, we’re not always this smart, LOL
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Apr 21, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL!!
Hey, welcome to the big show here at BBV. We at least try to sound like we know what we are talking about. This whole thing has actually given me, and I hope everyone else who selected, some idea of what it is like to sit in those draft war rooms and pray the guy you want is still on the board when the time comes.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 21, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Welcome aboard
You made a great point about the draft not having a clear #2 WR. Everyone has Maclin on the board as the #2, but I’m not sold.
In fact, 3 years from now, if you look back at this draft at the WR position, I think we’ll be shocked to see who we deem as #1, #2, #3 so on… It might go something like this: #1. Nicks, #2. Britt, #3. Crabtree.
I think Nicks will be the most productive and viewed as the best WR in this draft, but not potential-wise. He’ll end up going later in the 1st to a team with a solid nucleus and is ready to win. I’m convinced he’s the most ready for the NFL, and after watching his tapes I wonder how anyone actually tackled that guy.
Britt may also end-up going to a winning team with a solid QB. Even if he doesn’t, I still put him here. The man is scary. Built like a shit brickhouse with excellent speed, Britt has ideal size for a #1 WR and will excel in the NFL as long as he continues to work at it. He has the most potential at WR in this draft (20 years old!) and maybe amongst all other positions.
I put Crabtree at the #3 spot because if I didn’t I’m sure I would have heard about it. He’s going to end up on a team with a top pick. It could be SEA, where he’ll shine, but it could also be STL where I think he’ll struggle. However, I hope he lands in CLE’s lap, this way they’ll be happy to send Braylon our way.
All in all, good point about there not being a clear-cut #2 WR in the draft. It really comes down to the luck of the draw after Crabtree is taken.
welcome aboard
I instantly like you, mostly b/c I agree with everything you said and I’ve been saying much of it myself the past few days haha. Definitely agree that BBV is the best Giants blog out there.
What, cj?
You only like people you agree with? But, yes, ‘Hootman’ has made a very nice first impression.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 21, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey ETVal
Titans pick is in your mail box. Wasn’t sure how to post it, kinda new here.
Cool
I will post it, probably tomorrow morning. Thanks!!
by Ed Valentine on Apr 21, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I know you can't pick trade
but if Moreno is left on the board at the Giants pick and they haven’t gotten Braylon or Boldin yet, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Moreno go to the Browns or Cardinals along with a 3rd or 4th for one of their WRs. Both could really use a fast RB to plug into their systems, as their current featured backs (Lewis and James) are nearing the end of their careers. The Giants on the other hand need a WR much more than they need a 3 headed running attack which couldn’t overcome the lack of depth at WR last year….
Anyway, since you can’t trade I think the Giants go Unger here just because they need a backup LT and Unger is a great versatile player. Alternately, they might get desperate at the loss of Toomer and Plax and reach for Robiskie, thinking he won’t fall to 45. I just don’t see a 3rd RB in the Giants mindset, regardless of value (as you pointed out, the last time the Giants drafted value in the first round was Kiwi, they like to address their needs with the best available in the 1st…)
Reach
I see where you are going, but again I think when you go based on ‘need’ only you wind up with inferior players. Neither of the guys you mention is nearly as talented as Moreno, and guys like them will be available later.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 21, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hate to argue with the owner of the bar, (like THAT''s happened w/ me before...) but
filling a need puts a better man than you have on the field
where he can help immediately, instead of putting a more talented guy on the bench and still having a gaping hole out there.
I’m not picking on your selection in our draft here, but the real things coming in a few days and I hope that NYG isn’t taking notes here!!!
IF so, then OL >>> LB >>> PK>>>WR>>> RB?? please
It's fine with me
as long as you make your points in a friendly manner with a good argument. You did that here. I find my pick highly unlikely in the real draft. The best combo is when the best player available fills a specific need. Also, when you are torn between players you go with the need. When one player is clearly head and shoulders above the others ability wise you go there, and that is what happened here. Other than WR, there is no gaping need anywhere on this team.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 21, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
"when you are torn between players you go with the need. When one player is clearly head and shoulders above the others ability wise you go there"
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Ed, no gaping holes yet!!!
Since CJ has thrown his hat into the ring here, ask him what he thinks will happen if McKenzie’s back acts up again.
(watch yourself Ed; his answer isn’t gonna be a pretty!!!)
Moreno
Hey all
Im new here but a huge giants fan. I dont see moreno being there at 29, i seen on espn that the eagles are real interested in him with the 21st. i see reese trading our 1st 2nd and 5th, we get edwards and there 2nd or 3rd!~
This would be a great pick
He, Jacobs and Bradshaw would be very potent, but from what everyone is saying on TV, the eagles have their sights set on him.
But if you gotta take the best guy available, this would be huge. He’d be a safeguard against and Jacobs injury or if Bradshaw simply cant hack being a full timer
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
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