Who should I pick?
So, today is the day for the New York Giants' selection in our Big Blue View Community Mock Draft. To be honest, I already know what I am going to do with the pick.
I want to keep you in suspense just a tad longer, though, so I am not making the pick just yet. Instead, here is a little pre-selection poll,
Vote on what you would do with the pick if you were in my shoes, and feel free to drop some comments giving me your thoughts. The poll will stay open until noon, and my pick will be posted around 1 p.m.
I will be honest. This mock draft has taken some odd twists, which is part of what makes the whole exercise fun. I am, however, not left with the group of players I was anticipating being able to choose from.
I'm not promising to listen, but this is your chance to sway my decision on this move.
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Wow!
Half the vote for RBs is quite a surprise for me. I’d like to hear rationale. Is it lack of trust in what we have at RB? Belief that of the choices they are the best players available? Lack of enthusiasm for any of the others?
I didn't vote
for them, but I can see the rationale. Moreno is simply the best talent left on the board and by a large margin. Wells is probably the next best talent left. There are really no clear 1st rounders left at our need positions (WR, LB, & OL) in this draft.
Best plyer, etc
Yeah, that’s what I thought people figured.
best player available
and like potroast said, by a lot. I was tempted by Sintim, Loadholt, and Unger, but the scouting report on Moreno is just way better than all of them, and there’s a good chance that one of those 3 will be available with the Giants 2nd pick.
Early in the offseason I was against drafting Moreno or a RB, but the more I think of it the more it makes sense. None of us understood why the Giants took Tuck and Kiwi in back to back drafts when we already had Strahan and Osi, but it obviously worked out very well. I love Jacobs, but you can’t deny that he’s injury prone, and I’m not convinced that Bradshaw is anything more than a change of pace back. The only thing I don’t like is that I really think Ware has a chance to be as good as Ward has been, and this might relegate him to 4th RB status again, but Moreno has a chance to become a legit #1 back, so I think it would be worth it.
Your usual excellent analysis, cj
I agree with you about Bradshaw in the sense that he has yet to really prove himself, and re Ware, who, should the Giants opt for an RB #1, might never get the chance.
Larry English vs Knowshon Moreno
Moreno looks like Tiki Barber right now. Pass blocking, pass catching, breakaway Speed (probably more so than TIki), does NOT fumble the ball (unlike Jacobs, bradshaw). And he could be better behind the Giants O-Line.
English who knows, but I’ve heard him compared to Demarcus Ware. English may be able to play SOLB, but who knows.
Beatty is amazing tackle
They had him going 28 to philly on alot of score cards/mocks… Tackle is a position of need and they guy is a beast with a mean streak that can take over that LT position within a year and god forbid injury he will be greatly needed.. I love the Moreno pick if nothing else to trade him to the Browns for Edwards or just to have the 3 headed monster back.. Either pick i will enjoy but i voted Beatty, just love that kid and LT is not an easy position to fill for years, RB we got plenty and can get some great ones next round if thats where we want to go… stop teasing and pick!! lol
Beatty is a good pick
If the Giants really think English cannot be a SOLB, then Beatty is probably a good option.
Beatty to me may be a step below the top guys, but not by much. All the top LT’s this year aren’t elite, and Beatty may have just as much potential as all of them, especially if he is drafted by the Giants and the way they teach O-Lineman.
But I still think that even Beatty is a reach here and there are other guys in round 2-3 that the Giants could do just as good with.
Knowshon Moreno should NOT be traded to the Browns. In fact, nothing should be traded to the Browns, Edwards is not the answer there. Moreno is the next TIki……….
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 21, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
if they take Moreno
and the Browns still want to trade Edwards after the draft and ask for a RB, I’d give them Bradshaw or Ware but wouldn’t let them touch Moreno or Jacobs.
English
Would be a DE in our system, he’s built for the 3-4 next level… he is a beast of a man tho, wouldnt be a horrible pick if we trade Kiwi(which i never ever want to do) or maybe Fred Robbins(which i’d hate to but would for Braylon only)
I don't think the Giants are willing to trade any players
Especially for Edwards
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 21, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Running Backs?
I’m a little surprised by the number of people who would take a running back at that pick. I think there will be decent backs in the later rounds that we can snap up. I voted for Unger because I like his versatility. He’d be an excellent back up anywhere along the line immediately, and would be a big upgrade over our current backups. I see him as a starter in three years. Beatty would be a good choice too. Sintim or Robiskie would be useful, but I think one of them might be available in the second round.
Reese will of course have his own plan, and I’m sure he’ll have thought of something that makes sense.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Apr 21, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions
Unger
I also love this guy. If he ends up with the Giants I won’t complain about that at all.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 21, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
He's versatile
so I think that’s exactly what the Giants want.
I don’t want them to reach in round 1, but I think he’s there in round 2 so they should pounce
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 21, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
versatile....
You should never draft a guy in round 1 because he’s “versatile”
“Dominant” should be the adjective, not versatile.
Pick Moreno. (although I doubt he will fall that far in the draft)
Well he was pretty "Dominant"
as center, but the giants would like him cuz he can play all 5 line positions. The Giants don’t really need “domninant”, cuz they have 5 “Dominant” O-Lineman already.
THey aer looking for a backup. But that is also why I said they don’t reach for Unger in round 1.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 21, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I like Unger a lot
almost voted for him, but I just think it’s too hard to pass up on a talent like Moreno, especially considering neither RB or OL are a need. I wouldn’t mind seeing them take Moreno here and then maybe try to move up into the early 2nd round (or heck, maybe the Steelers are looking to trade out of the 1st round) and try to take Unger.
Well, the percentage of choices for RBs has decline
since I posted my first comment. I’m with you as well as gobs. Beatty or Unger would be a great pick, although I suspect neither will be available at 29.
18% (40 votes as of now)
for “someone else,” yet nobody has come into the comments to explain who else. Anyone who voted for that category care to offer another pick?
Maybe they don't know who's available and
think a WR is there other than Robiskie.
Also what about a TE. I’ve been lobbying for Jared COok for the longest time and why not? He’d be a reach yea, but so was Dustin Keller for the Jets. I know copying the Jets is never a good idea, but this guy was legit.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 21, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I was
thinking the same thing. Who else?
by Ed Valentine on Apr 21, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Mock Draft
I am usually of the opinion that you always should draft the best player available and not reach for a player of need. So, while we see that both Knowshon Moreno and Beanie Wells are still available, the Giants are set at running back. Since a WR worthy of a 1st round pick is not available, I say lets get a OT that can be groomed for the future. I think we all would agree that Whimper and Koets are not starting tackles.
?
I really don’t think the Giants are “SET” at RB. Like many know, Bradshaw and Ware are far from sure bets. Jacobs is a bet to get injured at some point, tho hopefulyl not too severely. Bradshaw is nice, but he fumbles a lot in his limited duty.
Danny Ware looks every bit the next Derrick Ward. And even tho Ware hasn’t played at all pretty much, D-Ward barely played at all and stepped right in and did what he did.
But still, Moreno like I’ve been saying is a Tiki Barber type. Id say he has much greater potential too given that he is faster and has no ball security issues right now, while Tiki took a while to cure that.
I don’t know about you, but while I like Jacobs, Bradshaw and even Ware, if the Giants had Tiki in his prime ALL of these guys would be backups. Tiki was the man regardless of how he went out.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 21, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
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Beatty would be my first choice. Loadholt is a monster of a man. Unger could play C or OG. Robiskie and Sintim, to me, are targets in the second round.
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I do agree with you for the most part, FreeBradshaw. But, I still think I would take an OL here. The Giants need more depth at OL and Safety. They have a little depth at RB, already. However, I would not be upset if they actually picked Moreno. Ultimately, I hope the Giants trade up to get a top WR (ie Maclin, DHB, ect.). But, it will be interesting to see who falls to the bottom of the 1st round. This will definitely be an interesting draft.
Plaxico Replacement
I have list fo WR that could hopefully serve as Giants. Why not have a poll on just WR?
Turner, Patrick WR 6’5" 223 Southern Cal
Britt, Kenny WR 6’3" 218 Rutgers
Kelly, Aaron WR 6’5" 204 Clemson
Heyward-Bey, Darrius WR 6’2" 210 Maryland
Nicks, Hakeem WR 6’1" 212 North Carolina
Carr, Greg WR 6’6" 216 Florida State
Robiskie, Brian WR 6’3" 209 Ohio State
Barden, Ramses WR 6’6" 229 Cal Poly
Crabtree, Michael WR 6’2" 215 Texas Tech
Foster, Brooks WR 6’1" 211 North Carolina
Harvin, Percy WR 5’11" 192 Florida
Iglesias, Juaquin WR 6’1" 210 Oklahoma
Mitchell, Marko WR 6’4" 218 Nevada
Tate, Brandon WR 6’0" 183 North Carolina
Williams, Jaison WR 6’4" 237 Oregon
I chose the top 5, of course all depending on what will be available
With so many availble, why
use a #1 to get one. WRs are a crap shoot anyway, particularly guys who played spread in college, like Crabtree.
All the WRs
who are first-round worthy are off the board. That gives you the hint that my choice won’t be Robiskie.
by Ed Valentine on Apr 21, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
WR is clearly
Their biggest need… Knowshon Moreno is great and all but we could have 6 talented different running backs on the team and still wouldn’t be effective in the NFL if teams could just sit on the run. Think Shaun Alexander the year after his MVP season with the hawks. We didn’t just lose Plax, we lost Toomer too, don’t forget. The problem is I don’t know where that WR is coming from—Nicks is not the answer (maybe he develops into a toomer type after a year or two like Smith is doing), and I don’t think any 1st round WRs are really worth trading up for. Braylon could be good but seeing as how he’s gonna cost us Kiwi and a 1st rounder he’s not worth it, and I don’t think Boldin is tall enough(and he’s more expensive than Braylon with a worse attittude).
So, acoording to your logic
there is no answer. we might as well just throw in the towel and forget it. is that what you’re saying?
by Ed Valentine on Apr 21, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Given the choices
Knowshon Moreno. He’s arguably the best RB in this draft. Although I doubt very highly he’s going to be still available at 29. Assuming we’re still picking at 29.
Loadholt.
Move him to LT and put Diehl back at Guard. It was painful watching Eli get sacked so many times from his left.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
by peytonsthebest on Apr 21, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions
Loadholdt is a much worse LT
than Diehl even at his worst.
Plus, Loadholdt just doesn’t fit the Giants mold. THey prefer athletic O-Lineman rather than just all out maulers.
I guess maybe as a RT he’d be nice, but I even think Boothe is not a bad future option there. Whenever McKenzie was injured Boothe would come in and I didn’t even notice he wasn’t there.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 21, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
My recollection of Boothe is that
the other teams DE didn’t even notice he was there either. I have serious concerns about our backups for the OL and that is why I voted for Unger.
He may not grade out as a # 1 pick, but his versatility makes him an excellent value for NYG in the first. If he’s gone in the 2nd, what then??
p.s. – We settle for FGs an awful lot, are there any outstanding kickers in this draft?
We’ve got 10 picks, why not bring one to camp for Mr. Tynes??? (NO, not 1st rnd, but)
The Giants need to do their HW
on the FG kicker. Maybe find the guy on the Patriots that found Gosdkowski and Vinateri, both undrafted.
Tynes sucks. I know the FG’s in the SB year, but the guy is crap on kickoffs.
This is an underrated NEEEEEDDD! for the Giants. yea Carney can hit FG’s, Tynes too. But the #1 reason why their special team on kickoffs has absolutely sucked is because the other team gets to return it from the 5 every time.
I don’t think Boothe was THAT bad. I was wrong that he’d be a replacement for McKenzie, but as a true backup he isn’t bad.
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 21, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
i know I'm cranky right now
but seriously, were you watching the same games as me? Boothe was AWFUL last year.
WHAT???
How could you not notice Boothe???? Everytime the DE walked right around him for the sack they would show the replay, and Boothe’s fat ass would be rippling in slow motion like Homer on the treadmill (I don’t think that’s the first time I’ve made that joke)
No, it's not the first time you've mentioned it...
and it’s just as disturbing a mental image as it was the first time!!!!
now, STOP THAT!!!! :-)
Based on the scouting reports, I'm not sure about the Load.
I keep think of Gragg (“Lurch.”)
I also voted Moreno
based on the “best available” opinion; however, something I’m sure Reese will consider is the first-round money that would be demanded by a RB (and potential training camp hold-out), versus the money demanded by an OT.
The common wisdom these days
seems to be that RBs are a dime a dozen and that LT is the scond most important position on the O. I haven’t seen the data, but if this is a given, LTs should command more$.
Shanahan took that theory to the extreme
and “dime a dozen-ed” himself right out of the job.
Being a skill position, and one that notoriously shortens careers, I believe RBs will always get paid more than LTs. One need only look as far as the Giants’ own roster to confirm that.
Jacobs got
4 years 25 mill, Diehl got 6 years 31 mil. Don’t know guarantees and obviously Jacobs makes more per season, but Diehl will be richer when his contract is done.
First round running backs
are a crap shoot. For every Adrian Peterson there’s a Ricky Williams, you know the sure fire stud who never does a thing. If you’re thin at running back, maybe you take a shot on Moreno. Over the last four years the Giants have had Grant, Ward, Jacobs, Bradshaw and Ware on the roster. None of them was taken before the fourth round. Since we don’t need a running back, and since there are plenty of other talented players at positions where we have immediate need, I don’t think Moreno would be a good pick. I think Reese has the ability to find useful running backs in the later rounds.
The notion of taking the best available player is somewhat overrated. I agree that you shouldn’t take a sub par talent instead of a really good player just because you need somebody at that position. But there are very talented players at positions that we need this year and stockpiling a 4th running back seems like a task for the later rounds, or maybe next year. Look at last year’s choice of Kenny Phillips. Was he really the best player available? Or was he a very talented player who filled a void left by Gibril Wilson’s departure.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Apr 21, 2009 11:24 AM EDT reply actions
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Last year Id say that Kenny Phillips was not only the Best player available, but obviously filled a need.
Thing is the Giants have NO glaring needs. The WR is what most people think, but Reese has said that he like the WR on the roster. Yea, they need O-Line depth, but its just that..Depth. Your gonna draft a 1st rounder to back up for a couple years? Who knows who will fall into the Giants laps next year when it may actually be a need?
RB isn’t a need either, but Id say after losing Ward there are just as many questions there as any. Jacobs has All-Pro ability, but he’s gonna get hurt. Bradshaw may be great, but his fumbling and inexperience are still there. Ware may be better than all of them, but he is the most inexperienced.
Yea, Moreno may relegate one of these guys to 4th RB (well, not Jacobs). I also know that the Giants have a horrible history with 1st round RB’s. But if people were clamoring for Beanie Wells, then Id say that given the past that Wells is too similar to Tyrone Wheatley. But Moreno is too similar to Tiki Barber, more so than any other RB in the draft. Why not if he’s there?
by FreeBradshaw on Apr 21, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Moreno is best athlete/player available now that Britt & Nicks
are gone and IMHO Robiskie will be there with our 45th pick in second round so why reach for a WR now? Beatty makes a lot of sense, but he too might be there in the second round. If Jacobs goes down with injury, are you comfortable with Bradshaw and Ware? Is the coaching staff? So if Moreno is still sitting there, this pick makes sense.
sorry, but I have to disagree. If Jacobs goes down and Bradshaw & Ware can't cover for him
Mighty Mouse couldn’t come and save the day (season)!!! Moreno isn’t gonna be able to do it either.
Using our 1st on him is not good use of it. Trade it before taking him just for the sake of taking him. Only 28 guys will be gone from the entire draft; there’s gonna be no greater values left??

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