Catching up on other Giants' news
by Ed Valentine on Mar 2, 2009 12:00 PM EST
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My head is still spinning from the whirlwind weekend our New York Giants just had, loading up on defense with the signings of Chris Canty, Rocky Bernard and Michael Boley.
Aside from the signings, there are a few other stories of interest involving the Giants. Let's check in on them.
- Phil Simms weighed in on the Plaxico Burress situation over the weekend, opining that Plax will be a Giant if he isn't in a graybar hotel somewhere.
"I think the players like him, and I think the organization likes him too. ... "Guys make mistakes, but you realize down deep they got good hearts and they're a good person, and I think that's how everybody feels about Plaxico Burress," Simms added. "I don't know him. . . . I'm saying all this and judging it from what I read and just watching the body language when he plays football and how the players react to him. You can tell: They like him. That's enough for me. And I have never had any New York Giant player - off the record or anything else - ever say anything to me, negative about Plaxico Burress."
- We have seen already from comments by Dallas fans, and the blurb we received from Blogging the Boys, that Cowboy faithful are downplaying the loss of Chris Canty. The Dallas Star-Telegram, though, says Cowboys fans should be unhappy. The team has serious salary cap issues.
- There are rumors that the Cleveland Browns might be willing to trade inconsistent wide receiver Braylon Edwards. At 6-foot-3, 211 pounds he is a big target and a big-play threat. He had 80 catches, 16 for touchdowns, in 2007, but caught just 55 passes in 2008. Interested, Giants' fans?
- Derrick Ward has not found the big payday he is seeking yet. Ward is reportedly visiting Tampa Bay Tuesday.
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as if phil simms wasnt already my all time favorite giant
what a great man.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.
ah
a kendynamo comment at Plax news…unheard of
Right. It's not the players who have
problems with Plax. It’s management. At the moment, management is third in line behind the court and the NFL as far as Plax’s football future is concerned.
Also, Siims's comments re player support are a bit exaggerated.
I beleive every player who has commented publicly has expressed support for management’s actions re Plax. This is not to say that either players or management don’t want him back. My guess is that he has solid but not unanimous support from both.
It's about wins
The team supports him coming back because of his talent. If the Giants had two WRs that had the same talent (Plax being one of them) you’d see a different slant on the feedback coming from the locker room.
They’d like him back to win more SB. If his talent dropped off before this shooting, you’d hear more about, I hope he turns it around and less, I hope he comes back.
Edwards is a tough call
He looked great in 2007, but couldn’t hang on to the ball to save his life in 2008. Physically he’d be a good fit. I guess it’s a question of price. I sure wouldn’t trade the farm to get him. I think if the Giants plan an offense without Plax, they might find that the current receivers are adequate. Hixon has shown he can get open deep — he just has to work on his hands and concentration. I know everybody thinks Moss is a bum, but I’m reserving judgment til he gets some serious playing time, and Manningham could be pretty good too. Plus, we should be able to get a good wide out in the draft to push those guys. In any event, I’d like to see more plays to Boss and the running backs (other than Jacobs), and more 15-25 yard passes. On the other hand I don’t have that much faith in Gilbride to restructure the offense.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Mar 2, 2009 1:37 PM EST reply actions
I agree with every point
Except maybe that Moss is not a bum. I think if he was more of an impact player, then he would have seen more passes thrown his way. Anyway, IMO you are dead on with everything else. I still believe that Boss can be that guy in the Green Zone. If only GB would give him more attention in the offense.
You're probably right
Moss may well be worthless, but I think with Plax and Toomer and Smith on the field, he didn’t get many reps, and he was seldom Eli’s first target. Anyway, I think this year is make or break for him. He’s got to play his way into the rotation in camp, and if he doesn’t, then it’s time to cut him adrift.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Mar 2, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
Wow
Cowboy’s fans must wonder why they gave Flozell adams such a huge contract.. He gets way too many penalties and he was a turnstile this year…
It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying
http://novafacts.blogspot.com/
Take a chance on Edwards
I think Edwards would be a great addition for the Giants. We may have adequate receivers, but adequate doesn’t win championships. Edwards is big and fast. Having a big, strong receiver is important in the passing game, but it also helps in the running game for stretching the defense and for providing good blocks. He had a rough year last season, but so did everyone on that Cleveland roster. I think he needs a new start. I think he is also worth the cost, which may be low given how little Tampa had to give up for Winslow.
Agreed - at the right price
For Braylon Edwards, I think perhaps he just needs a change in scenery. But he’s had one very solid season – last year was a joke for him. The sheer # of drops he had was inexcusable. Maybe however he just needs to find an offense he can thrive in where the pressure is off. Who knows?
I looked it up @ FootballReference.com:
BE actually posted BETTER #’s than Plax did while Plaxico was with the Steelers.
When plax was w/ the steelers, he averaged 3.5 receptions per game (BE thus far: 3.85) for 57 yds/game (BE averages 60) with an average of 4.4 TD’s/season (BE has averaged 7 TD’s/season).
Re. his drops, BE had something like 16 drops (Dwayne Bowe, KC’s #1 had 13, Brandon Marshall, Denver’s #1, had 12, TO had 10) so he had WAY more than anyone else. But I would attribute that to the struggles that his offense had. I mean look at when their offense performed well, for example he absolutely TORCHED the Gmen in that game, something like 5 receptions for 150+ yds, and a TD.
When he is engaged and ON he is a force (pro bowler in 2007 when he averaged 5 catches a game for 80 yds w/ 16 TD’s!!). This guy has the ability to be a stud and given the comp for the Kellen Winslow trade, I will bet that Cleveland would let him go for very little as he seems to have worn out his welcome there. And it looks like Mangini is trying to clean house….so, who knows? Maybe its worth it for a 2nd day draft pick….
I saw one of those "Top 10" things on the NFL network over the weekend
this one being about QB controversies, and of course the Simms/Hoss deal was one of them. One thing I hadn’t heard before was a claim that during the SB in 1990, Simms left at halftime of that game because he didn’t feel like a part of that team? Had you guys heard that before? I hope that it’s not true, because it brought back shades of Shockey when I heard that.
Save the neck for me, Clark.
I never heard it.
Could be I forgot, but something like that? I doubt it. Besides, it doesn’t square with what we know of Phil’s character.
simms had nothing to prove
he was more sick i understood just from not being able to play
http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2008/01/exny_giant_phil_simms_feels_je.html
Burress is not a good person.
I don’t really agree with Simms’ assessment. Nothing Burress has done really makes you think he is a good person. Burress has been fined numerous times by the Giants, making him a poor worker. Buress has been sued by a lot of people (from car dealers to home inspectors) for not paying for services provided to him, that makes him a liar and a cheat. Burress has been caught with a loaded illegal weapon, that makes him a criminal. I would consider these the characteristics of a bad person. According to Simms’ logic, a murderer with a charming personality should be considered a good guy!
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-giants-chasingburress&prov=ap&type=lgns
I said I was done with this but...
Plaxico does not have the characteristics of a bad person. He’s a knuckle-head!!! Immature, irresponsible, child-like man. Plaxico can’t be compared to the Ray Lewis’ and Pacman Jones’ of the league. They’d eat Plax alive. Plaxico is such a “bad-ass” that he managed to shot HIMSELF not “the bad guys” he needed protection from. Hopefully he learned something here and wants to change and IF…if he doesn’t want to change, to hell with he deserves what he gets!!! (or losses really!!!)
+1
what I was thinking exactly. And w/o going too much into politics here, the fact that carrying a gun makes him a criminal is sickening to me, considering guns are a constitutional right. I understand that gun laws restricting a right to carry are technically constitutional, but I’m not a fan of making it criminal just to have one, even if you’re not using it for anything nefarious.
You are a criminal if you break the law.
Burress was carrying his weapon illegally, specifically he did not have a license to carry that gun in NYC. Last time I checked, that makes you a criminal.
But he was part of a well-regulated militia, I guess, right?
Save the neck for me, Clark.
by Mr. Met on Mar 3, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the giants
are a well regulated militia!
Viva Defense!
It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying
http://novafacts.blogspot.com/
by Hoyadestroya85 on Mar 3, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
I'd consider them more regular military than a militia, what with
TC’s attitude toward discipline, etc. That’s what makes the relationship between Plax and the organization so problematic
depends on how the trial goes
if he pleas down to a misdemeanor and doesnt do time, then he would tehcnically be a criminal by most definitions. if breaking the law is all it takes to be a criminal, then anyone who’s ever downloaded an mp3 or ran a stop sign is a criminal.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.
The report you cite Mr. Met raises the question
of whether a peson can be good while being irresponsible (using the kindest term.) The larger question regarding his continuing tenure with the Giants is more complex. You don’t have to be Mr. Nice Guy to be a good player. Do you have to fit a certain kind of mold in order to play for the Giants? JR and TC will decide that (if they ever get a chance.)
I know and I don't necessarily think it makes Phil a bad person
if the report was true, but it was disappointing to me and I just hope it’s not accurate. I actually still have some good feelings for Shockey, and even for Tiki, so I’m a very forgiving sort of person, I guess!
Save the neck for me, Clark.
My gut tells me...
Not to throw out the 17 jersey if you have one.
Plax is going to plea a deal, do 3 months in stripes, and be ready for training camp as a New York Giant, for better or worse.
My gut also tells me that when he returns to the Giants, he will be a model citizen.
Call me an optimist, but I just got one of those feelings.
That being said, I also believe the Giants will use one or both of their first two picks in the draft on a wide receiver, in case my gut is talking out my ass.
Giants fan from the womb to the tomb
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Mar 2, 2009 3:39 PM EST reply actions
If your gut is talking out your ass
my advice would be to open a window. Stat.
Save the neck for me, Clark.
If he gets a plead deal as you describe,
isn’t it likely he’ll get a suspension from the NFL after that? Maybe he can attend training camp anyway?
The suspension would be for
actual games. My guess Goddell doesn’t come down too hard. He’s a first time offender and the injured party is himself.
Canty
As a Cowboys fan, I wish we could have been able to re-sign Canty, but at that price I am glad we didn’t. He is now the highest paid lineman on your team, a team with arguably the best d-line in the game. For a guy who doesn’t start and after getting a 1st round tender last year didn’t do a whole hell of a lot.
I think he will be a good productive player, but in the long run that was too high a price for us to pay. Hopefully, or not, he pans out for you guys.
First to six!!!
One thing about Plax
how healthy will he be next year? I mean, he was never the fastest receiver, and he shot himself in the leg. If he’s lost mobility, he might not be the receiver we all remember him being. Just a thought to keep in mind…
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