Reactions to Giants' signing of Canty
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Let's sort through the various reactions to -- and ramifications of -- the New York Giants rather stunning signing Sunday of DT/DE Chris Canty.
After adding linebacker Michael Boley and defensive tackle Rocky Bernard, the addition of Canty is an unexpected bonus prize for the normally conservative Giants.
Here is what the Giants' decision-makers said about the moves.
"We had a conviction on who we liked in the free agent market and who could help us get better," said General Manager Jerry Reese of this weekend's three signings. "We let the three players know that, and the feeling was mutual. They want to win, and they wanted to be here. Fortunately, we were able to get the deals done quickly."
"Chris is an athletic, big man who can play anywhere in our front," said Reese. "He gives us a lot of flexibility in that respect. Our defensive line did a very good job last year, but without Osi and Stray, we seemed to get worn down late in the season and we weren't able to generate the kind of pass rush that we’re accustomed to. Hopefully with the addition of Rocky and Chris, and with Osi coming back, that won't happen again."
Added Head Coach Tom Coughlin, "This is an outstanding 'get' for the New York Giants. Chris is a very highly touted player. He is an outstanding football player. I always like the idea of getting a player who has competed within the division."
I reached out to Dave Halprin, lead blogger at SBN's Cowboys' site, Blogging the Boys, for a reaction. Maybe he's hiding his real feelings, but he doesn't seem all that upset about losing Canty to a division rival.
Chris Canty is a pretty good player but the contract you guys signed him to is not something I would be willing to give him as a GM. That's just too rich for the production we got out of him for four years. He was a solid contributor but never blossomed into the dominant force we thought he would be. He played DE in our 3-4 so he took on a lot of double teams which limited his stats but he was a guy who could really disappear during a gme for long strecthces. He plays the run well enough but he never got a lot of penetration and rarely disrupted plays in the opponent's backfield. Physically he looks the part and maybe playing in a 4-3 will unleash his inner beast. But we got tired of waiting for that.
Don't get me wrong, he's a good player but he's not a great player and we just weren't willing to pay him that kind of money. We think we have some backups who could give us similar production or we could bring in a few replacements through the draft. You guys got a good player but most Cowboys fans would say you overpaid.
ESPN's Matt Mosley says Canty is a player Coughlin has coveted for a long time.
Giants coach Tom Coughlin has coveted Canty for years. He watched him play for his friend Al Groh at the University of Virginia and then saw Bill Parcells select him in the fourth round of the 2005 draft. Canty's draft stock plummeted because of an eye injury that occurred when someone threw a bottle in a nightclub.
The Giants love the fact that Canty can play two positions. They'll move him to defensive end when they need to load up against the run. Some people thought Canty's asking price in free agency ($8 million per year) was a little steep, but he came pretty close. And something tells me Canty might find another gear in the two games against the Cowboys each year.
I thought Canty was poised to become a Pro Bowl player heading into the 2008 season, but that didn't pan out. Now, he'll have a clean slate with the Giants. I didn't think they would have the cap room to land both Canty and Bernard, but it all worked out.
A lot of folks are giving the Redskins the early lead in free-agency moves, but the Giants have been more efficient. Michael Boley, Bernard and Canty will help fortify a defense that lost its bite last December.
Don't underestimate Canty's relationship with Groh and Bill Parcells in this signing. General manager Jerry Reese is the one who pulled the trigger, but I assure you that Coughlin has been in his ear about Canty for months.
Finally, since the Canty signing there here has been a lot of talk about the future of Fred Robbins with the Giants. Paul Schwartz of the New York Post sees no indication Robbins' roster spot is in jeopardy. Patricia Traina of Inside Football agrees.
Do I think that the addition of Rocky Bernard and Chris Canty mean that a trade is in the works involving a Giants defensive lineman and perhaps a draft pick for a wide out (possibly Braylon Edwards of Cleveland)?
While I won’t dismiss the idea as preposterous – I have heard whispers that the Giants might seek to make a trade for a wide receiver IF Plaxico Burress’ scheduled March 31 court date doesn't yield desirable results, I think it’s premature to say that the addition of the two defensive linemen mean a trade is in the works.
Why? Again, the injury factor. Remember, both starting DTs Fred Robbins and Barry Cofield are coming off of recent off-season knee surgeries, with Cofield’s rumored to have been a little more complex. While the Giants are optimistic that both will be okay, the fact of the matter is that going into free agency, the Giants were VERY thin at this position and they needed to boost the depth.
So my answer to whether the Giants might package up a defensive lineman and an extra draft pick in exchange for a receiver, is that while I wouldn’t rule it out, it depends on 1) how well Robbins, Cofield and Umenyiora continue to progress over the next few weeks and 2) what happens with Burress.
Another question I’ve received is if I think the Giants will release Robbins. Right now I would say no. People seem to forget that prior to suffering all of his injuries, Robbins was playing at the top of his game. I don’t think the Giants are hurting for salary cap space (I’ll be re-calculating that figure by the way once I get the breakdown on the Bernard and Canty contracts), and I have a feeling they’re going to address their other needs (i.e., safety) via the draft. So it’s not like they would need the $425K cap savings they’d get if they terminated Robbins’ contract ($2M base less the $1.575M remaining prorated singing bonus).
Very interesting stuff.
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First time
in a long time that it appears the Giants over reached for a FA. Hopefully the move to our D will be the move he needs to flourish, especially since moving him around will accentuate his skill set. And he fits our system very well, since he’s stout against the run and now Canty, Rocky, Freddie, and Barry can free up our great ends to wreak havok.
But he now makes more than anyone else on the line (even Tuck!!)! I got a feeling this is not going to sit well with Osi, who if you remember was complaining about his contract after the SB. He’s still on that deal. I’ll keep my faith in JR, but my first reaction is that it’s too high a price tag & might cause some friction.
At any rate, this defensive line is going to be sick!
by potroast on Mar 2, 2009 7:43 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Trusting Reese, TC
A lot more than I trust the opinions of Dallas fans. Maybe Canty has under-achieved, but he is a guy who has faced constant double teams. If the Giants are able to keep all this defensive line depth he doesn’t have to be a star, he just has to be better than Cofield. I like Cofield, but he’s an average DT.
by Ed Valentine on Mar 2, 2009 8:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't
have to be a star on our line, but they paid him like he IS a star (again, he makes more than Tuck). That is all I am questioning. I still love bringing Canty in.
As much as I hate Dallas fans in general, I do trust Dave’s opinion so we should take his concerns seriously. Yes JR is a great GM, but he’s not infallible and he may have overspent a little. It doesn’t mean this won’t work out great for the Giants (I think it will).
All I’m saying is that he was expensive.
by potroast on Mar 2, 2009 8:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What's going on board?
New to this site but not new to being a big blue fan. While I think Canty was pricey, I think that he will be worth it. Who do you double now? Our ends are going to be able to run wild. Osi, Tuck, and Kiwi will be in Hawaii next year.
by njgiant on Mar 2, 2009 8:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On the positive side
in terms of money, we just got 3 solid players for our defensive front for less money than the ’Skins paid for Haynesworth alone.
by potroast on Mar 2, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
something about Washington DC seems to just repel the concept of fiscal responsibility…
by cjmulrain on Mar 2, 2009 9:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
that is y the giants dropped out of the race for hayensworth
they new they could get 3 or 4 good players and still spend less then they would on hayensworh and i think it will al be woth it
by shenkthetank92 on Mar 2, 2009 9:46 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Depth
is always critical. Guys get hurt, they need rest. When you spend all your money on one guy you have no money to bring in quality reserve players. This is why Reese is brilliant.
by Ed Valentine on Mar 2, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great Point
If your going spend in FA thats the way to do it.
by Landeta on Mar 2, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with you pot
I wanna say it’s the first over reach i’ve seen too, but I thought O’Hara was a too much money too. Of course I was clearly wrong about that. I’m also dubious about the layman’s ability to properly evalutate DTs or 3-4 ends.
by queler on Mar 2, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In Reese We Trust
Can we think of a Reese move that has been a total bomb? I can’t, and until it happens I am going to have faith in him.
by Ed Valentine on Mar 2, 2009 10:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If a Cowboy fan thinks its a mistake
That’s all the reinforcement I need.
Giants fan from the womb to the tomb
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Mar 2, 2009 7:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Costant double teams
He won’t be getting them wearing blue.
by blue gonz on Mar 2, 2009 8:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
exactly
frankly what Canty did in Dallas is pretty irrelevant. he’ll be playing at tackle for the Giants (and not end), he won’t constantly face double teams, and he’s in a blitz-happy scheme that rotates players in-and-out constantly.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Mar 2, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Blown Away
After the Bernard signing, I didn’t see this coming at all. Adding Osi, Bernard and Canty to last year’s D-line has to have the other NFC East teams very worried. I do share the concerns about the size of the deal, but if there’s not going to be a cap next year, we ought to be able to deal wth Tuck and Osi. I think the Dallas comments are just sour grapes. Watch Ware’s numbers go down without Canty there.
Now I’m comfortable with the defense, even if we don’t draft a stud linebacker. All we really need is depth at safety. This makes it look like we will take a wide receiver or OT in the first round. What are the odds we trade up? Nothing would surprise me at this point.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Mar 2, 2009 9:14 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
watch out
all i gotta say wen dey cm play my G-MEN dey better cm wit a passing game bc nobody is gonna run on us NOBODY. G-MEN da **** UP
by 76angel76 on Mar 2, 2009 9:51 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i hope fred rob stays
i like him. he is a big fatso but he can dominate.
HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.
by kendynamo on Mar 2, 2009 10:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i've said it before
but it is crazy how much better he’s gotten the last three years after being mediocre his entire career.
by queler on Mar 2, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't this
what we’re talking about Canty? Why can’t(y) the same thing happen again? Given his upside, the potential of a breakout is much better than Robbins.
Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!
by bigbluethruandthru on Mar 2, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Canty
I don’t expect Canty to come in and be a superstar. I’m expecting him to come in and fit into the defensive system that Spags established.
Plus he can play two positions like Tuck and look how well that’s worked out so far. Opposing QBs are going to be so confused. Right now I’m very excited about our defense.
And as a bonus we took away one of Dallas’ top players. I can’t wait for the draft.
by John W on Mar 2, 2009 10:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
he can't play two positions
He can’t play 4-3 End any more then Alford can
by queler on Mar 2, 2009 10:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
nm
didn’t see that was part of the article
by queler on Mar 2, 2009 11:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i think all these moves are being built to switch to 3-4 in the future
think about it
canty-de
bernard/cofield/robbins-dt
alford-de
kiwi/osi/tuck-olb
thats unreal
by shenkthetank92 on Mar 2, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no
no no
It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying
http://novafacts.blogspot.com/
by Hoyadestroya85 on Mar 2, 2009 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems highly unlikely--
and ill-advised to boot. Then again, Stenk gives the impression of having a wire to inside info, so who knows?
by blue gonz on Mar 2, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would they want to?
Look at where we stand in the league. Look at the possibilites for the upcoming season. Look at the excitment in here about the defense we have. Why would you mess with success? Because it’s the HIP thing to do? The fact that they may have come from a 3-4 does not mean TC and JR are going to throw it all away. Sorry Shenk, but I can’t see it.
by NY17NE14 on Mar 2, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Baring injury...
The defense is set with the exception of Safety which will come in the draft. Now we have to come to grips with the offensive specialists. NYG needs depth at Tight end and Running Back (sign the current guys or upgrade in FA/Draft) and a dominating wide receiver. The line is solid for one more year.
When its 3rd and long, throw the ball past the marker.
by Fester McDougal on Mar 2, 2009 10:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think we're set at the RB position.
If Ward is not resigned, Bradshaw and Ware are decent backups. Ware just needs more reps. I would love to see a sign and trade with Ward for a quality WR and then pick another top WR in the draft. I think with the moves made on defense so far, this draft will be focused on the offense. The hype so far during this FA signing period has been Washinton’s $pending, but both the Jets and Giants are looking very good.
by njgiant on Mar 2, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, but...
my concern is that a WR trade will require one of th RB’s to be tossed in to keep the draft picks from being too rich.
I still say, lets trade the rights to Plax + a draft choice to Detroit for Calvin Johnson. Detroit and Plax deserve each other.
When its 3rd and long, throw the ball past the marker.
by Fester McDougal on Mar 2, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That would be great. Manning to Johnson...Touchdown!
I feel bad for Calvin Johnson. If he can’t get out of there, he’ll be the next Barry Sanders (retiring way too soon). That being said, Detroit would be fools to let him go. He is the only bright spot on that team (imo).
by njgiant on Mar 2, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great idea, but would
the Lions go for it? They can certainly improve their squad by trading Johnson for the right mix of players/picks. Johnson’s great, but his talent is almost wasted on a team like the Lions.
by blue gonz on Mar 2, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no way
would the Lions considering moving CJ.
the Giants would have to give up Plax (if they even want him), this year’s first rounder, next year’s first rounder, and probably another first day pick either this year or next year.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Mar 2, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, no way Detroit does this...
There’s just no reason to trade your best player – who is arguably one of the best in the league – for an aging WR with ?’s (Plax) and a bunch of unknown commodities (draft picks).
There’s just no way Detroit does this – and, quite frankly, I don’t think the Gmen need to do it either.
by Cody K on Mar 2, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Right on both counts, K
It doesn’t hurt to fantasize, though. That team’s in desparate shape. Desparate times call for desparate measures, etc., etc., blah, blah, blah.
by blue gonz on Mar 2, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if Matt Millen was still there....
OK, it was just a thought. The stars are lining up for the G-Men with what is going on with the rest of the division so I was going for the moon. Thanks for the reality check.
When its 3rd and long, throw the ball past the marker.
by Fester McDougal on Mar 2, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Life is good.......
Who else is enjoying the fact that we are taking a key player from Dallas, watching the Eagles fall apart, and seeing the Redskins spent alot of money and still not address their problems ( offense) …………….GO GIANTS…………
"18-1, Write that Book"
by BigBl42 on Mar 2, 2009 11:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you.
I’m from the school of thought that your defense can never have too many play makers so I’m very excited. All three of our Superbowls victories were won on the backs of our defense. You add our running game and defense and that should equal Championship.
by John W on Mar 2, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ross and Webster should be happy.
The line that the Gmen are putting together will without a doubt make Ross and Webster a lot better. Don’t be suprised if one of these guys gets the tag “Shut Down Corner”. The pressure the Giants will generate will cause more turnovers and sacks. Look for them to be a top 3 defense.
by njgiant on Mar 2, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
webster is a shut down corner
he’s regarded as a top 5 cb in the league already…..and of course, reese saw this coming and extended him early. ross will be the one who suddenly looks a bit better, webster arrived last year.
by lovemygmen on Mar 2, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed,
but with this line and the guys that can be rotated (keeping the front fresh and the pressure on), this CB duo can become dominant. I’m looking for more picks and a couple of pick 6’s. I’m also looking for bigger things from Kenny Phillips.
by njgiant on Mar 2, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Canty story
Peter King has a great piece today on how Canty ended up with the Giants. It’s fascinating.
by Ed Valentine on Mar 2, 2009 12:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would like anyone to tell me how offensive lines
are going to stop Osi, Bernard, Canty and Tuck. Run at them? No. Run Away from them? Not possible, pick your poison. How about wait for the subs. Here comes Kiwi, Cofield, Robbins, and Tollefson. I would be upset too if I was a cowboy fan. The talent on the DL would overwhelm our own line. Facing those guys in practice makes our Oline better.
by Major on Mar 2, 2009 12:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
"Facing those guys in practice makes our Oline better"
As long as they don’t kill’em!!!
This defense is going to get whipped up into a frenzy like the one they put on Brady
in the SuperBowl. Bodies just coming from everywhere!!!!!
by NY17NE14 on Mar 2, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait to see these guys get after the QB
by Major on Mar 2, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know that picture in your head of Joe Theisman??
Somebody’s gonna get hurt here!!!! What a monster this could be!!!
by NY17NE14 on Mar 2, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's Truly Scarey.
Reese is rebuilding a monster!
by njgiant on Mar 2, 2009 1:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Canty does not need great numbers to be a star
All he needs to do is play the run solidly and try to absorb double teams in order for the ends, linebackers and safeties to run free behind him. to stop running backs and attack the Quarterback. Plus if you look at the production around him, (Ratliff, Ware) he and the other defensive players must have been doing something right
It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying
http://novafacts.blogspot.com/
by Hoyadestroya85 on Mar 2, 2009 1:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The 3-4 talk is garbage
even in a package deal. What I wouldn’t mind seeing is a 46 defense like package. The only problem is that we don’t have a big enough safety
It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying
http://novafacts.blogspot.com/
by Hoyadestroya85 on Mar 2, 2009 8:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Right, in a 46
the safety becomes the most important position on the D.
by blue gonz on Mar 2, 2009 8:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
who know lets see what the geniouses that run our team have in mind
of course when i say geniuses i mean reese and coughlin (and hopefully sherridan) but in my eyes gilbride is so far from a genious its not funny and in my opinion he might me the reason we dont win a championship this year he definetly blew it for us this past year so lets be smart and sack him now b4 hes blowing up another season with his rediculous playcalling
by shenkthetank92 on Mar 2, 2009 9:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I got a rope, you go find a strong tree!!
I lose sleep at night worrying about KG’s playcalling this coming season.
I don’t know how, Coughlin has tolerated the green zone problem this long???
by NY17NE14 on Mar 2, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel blessed. Gerry Reese for league MVP!
Chris Canty 42 million
Michael Boley 25 million
Rocky Bernard 16 million
Having GR as GM. Priceless. Is there an award for GM of the year. Can I nominate Gerry Reese for league MVP. Can’t wait until the draft to see what magic happens then.
by Giantskick@on3 on Mar 3, 2009 4:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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