NFP: Price will be high, but Boldin is worth it
by Ed Valentine on Mar 13, 2009 7:00 AM EDT
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Pro Football Talk stirred up all the 'Arizona is willing to trade Anquan Boldin' rumors again yesterday. I don't have any idea whether there is anything to the report. There is no substantiated source, and no real evidence that the Cards are ready to deal Boldin.
I do know this much, though. If the Cardinals are trying to move Boldin, I want the Giants to go all-out to bring him to New York.
The National Football Post, a publication I am coming to respect more and more, has a great analysis of what Boldin brings to the table. It includes this line:
You can’t get much better than Boldin when it comes to "new weapons" on the offensive side of the football.
Here is what NFP's Matt Bowen, a former NFL player, said about Boldin's value.
Is Boldin worth it?
Of course he is. The other day, someone tried to tell me that Boldin was a product of the Cardinals offensive system.
I walked out of the room so I didn’t lose my temper.
This guy is for real. I played against him during my career, and I can tell you that he’s the last receiver you want to see in the open field with the ball in his hands. Yes, Randy Moss might strike the most fear in NFL players when he lines up before the snap, but once Boldin catches the football, he’s the scariest thing on the field.
He runs like a running back — a great running back — after he catches the ball, but unlike the majority of NFL receivers who dive down after a catch or look for the nearest sideline, Boldin is looking for contact — and extra yardage. He is physical, he is tough, and he can play nasty. Line him up in the slot and make a safety drop down to cover him. Good luck with that. He can be a match-up nightmare for defenses in this league. If he wanted, this guy could be an excellent strong safety in the NFL.
Bottom line: Boldin is worth the money and the draft picks if you’ve got them.
If you have an opportunity to make a play for him, why wouldn’t you pull the trigger and make it happen? I have always been in favor of using your resources in this league to bring in good talent that cost draft picks because rookies are, well, rookies. You can’t count on them for anything, and you never know how a young kid in going to do in the pro game, especially at wide receiver with an NFL playbook in his hands.
Boldin has proved this time and time again. He can play the game, and he plays the position better than most.
He’ll play somewhere next season. If he stays in Arizona, we get to watch that team pile up points and stats again. But if he does go to a new city, he’ll be worth every dollar and every draft pick that your team paid to get him.
OK. I'm sold.
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And i love our young WRs, i’m ok with even straight up cutting plax if we were able to sign Boldin, or trade Plax if we can get anything for him…
Here is the link for the "Product of a system" guys
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/crd/2003_roster.htm
They didnt have a system then, even yet they didnt have a QB, shoot they didnt have a DAMN thing on that team.. Check it out, do some research and then maybe actually watch the guys play because tape talks for it’s self…
Spot on! I hate when analysts and bloggers make statements without any facts. You just crushed them!
thanks man
Glad someone else knows how to research rather then just read someones post as if it were the word of god… btw another treat to chew on Boldin was a Pro Bowler during his rookie of the year campaign and i bet even with the links i’ve posted no one can name his crappy QB that got him there.. lol
no offense guys we are all GMEN fans for life i got love for all of you!
"I'm sold."
Me too, but It’s hard to believe he’s being shopped. On the other hand, if the Cardinals can get a few players to fill holes….
Sure I'd love to have him too but...
Why would AZ be willing to lose him? They’re a west coast offense kind of team which relys on mutliple weapons. Lose Boldin and it’s just the Larry Fitzgerald show. I have a very hard time seeing them let him go. Other than Larry ($$), they can’t be in that much cap trouble to not work a deal to keep him happy and there.
Hell, Fitzgerald said he’d rework his contract to keep him there. Where’s the logic in trading him? I don’t get it.
Breaston looked real good next year
he could be a quality #2. But you’re right, I can’t imagine why AZ would trade Boldin right now. Still, I’d love to have him
Warner already offered to restructure his deal to get Boldin more money
So I have my doubts about this one
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Doubts
I have them, too. The Cards are denying shopping him, as you would expect. If, and I will believe it when it happens, they are willing to shop him, though, the Giants have to look into it.
by Ed Valentine on Mar 13, 2009 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll tell you guys why they could trade him
Steve Breaston! Did you forget he got a 1,000yds and 77 catches.. any of the Giants WRs do that this year??? Plus they can get alot for this guy and fill all the holes they have like maybe a OT and some Defense, this team isn’t going back to the superbowl unless they get better on the defensive side of the ball.. oh yeah and Boldin wants out he wants to be paid like a #1 and he 100% wants a QB to treat him like a number one, almost like TO and Plax where they want the damn ball, Boldin dont want to be in Fitz shadow.. it’s called an EGO and yes all Men have them, Boldin is too good to be a #2.. Think that over, plus with the draft picks they get this draft is soooooo deep in WR they won’t have a hard time finding a good young guy to get in the mix…
gobs56: You scared me at first, but after a second read I have to disagree
Here’s my problems w/ your thinking…
- Boldin to Breaston is a drop off. Not the same talent level, though he’s still good
- Boldin, Fitzgerald and Breaston = a serious west coast offense. Only 2 isn’t the same attack
- “Boldin wants out” I haven’t see a quote from him
- Arizona ALMOST won a super bowl. Do you think the owners don’t want to keep it together and go back?
- Pay him like a # 1 and his ego will be stroked. He’ll fight for the stats to be called # 1
- “they won’t have a hard time finding a good young guy to get in the mix…” We’ve been talking here about how difficult it is to get WR out of the draft who lives up to his expectations
- I don’t like him personally, but please don’t use Plaxico and TO’s name in the same sentence. That’s like having a headache vs. having your head crushed by a steam-roller!!
You make great points
But i did say Almost, and Boldin has come out and said he wanted to be traded weather you read the articles or not… the drop off is serious from Boldin to Breaston talent wise yes but after seeing Boldin ripping coaches and asking for more money or he wants out i’d say that is a headache albeit he isnt a TO or PLAX again i said ALMOST LIKE and yes it is, I’m sorry short of Boldin coming out and saying i want to stay in Arizona and be a Cardinal for life and I dont mind being number 2 because Fitz is clearly better then me, then he is a locker room headache and will continue to be.. like i said they need Defense to win that superbowl not just 3 WRs.. They also need a RB and in the draft they are a dime a dozen, more picks the cards get the better chance they have to defend the NFC Championship… There aint enough balls to get all 3 them guys 1,000yds again, bet that… And none of us know what those owners are thinking, none of us…
Here you go pimpn'
And this was a year ago, ill go get you the new one too gimme a sec…
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp08/news/story?id=3543594
oh
And your point about us and our WR draft picks… when was the last time we took a WR in the first round anyways?? Of course your going to have trouble finding a SUPERSTAR 2nd rd pick WR, thats tough to do… no one ever said 5 foot 7 moss or 5 foot 10 steve smith are the next big thing, but i love Steve Smith he is a perfect #2 in my eyes… We haven’t even tried to go after a STUD WR coming out in the draft so yes its going to be difficult to find the #1 Man we want.. btw Mario is just a bum pothead and even Toomer said that dude is going to find it tough transitioning to the NFL… Also my points i feel are valid because i didn’t say this is why they are going to trade Boldin i said this is why they COULD…
basically we will have to agree to disagree
Replacing Breaston
I think the harder replacement would be replacing Breaston. I think that Breaston could step in and be a great #2 to Fritzgerld but who would fill in for Breaston’s #3. If you check the stats, he averaged about 2 more yards per reception, and had only 1 fumble. Boldin had 4 fumbles and lost 3 of them. Can anyone find a stat to show how many times Kurt passed to Breaston and Boldin each (not receptions, but thrown to…completed ratio). I wonder, pound for pound, how much of a drop it really is. Who knows what kind of threat Breaston really is because last year was the first year the Cards really used him as a weapon. His first year, he was a return guy and if you check the stats, he was a good one which tells me he is good in the open field with the ball too. So maybe Boldin is more expendable than we think. Find a replacement for Breaston and maybe Boldin could be moved.
Thank you...
I ramble too much but thats all i am trying to say.. if i were the cards i’d send boldin to the highest bidder, most likely i’d try to get him to an AFC team unless someone in the NFC makes a deal that you cant refuse…
Here’s the cards needs…
DE, OT, RB, CB, LB and even a QB to develop Kurt aint young and Matt sucks… WR is far far from that list.. I’ll do some work and see if i can find that thrown to stat.. brb ;) slow day at work its FRIDAY!
gobs: Didn't mean to get you all fired up!
I presented my thoughts on the subject matter. That’s part of why we comment here and don’t just collect info. There’s way too many points touched here to go back line item at a time. Thanks for the 2009 quote, but I see that was about “Rosenhaus” telling them and we all know what kind of games he plays. Seeing the $$$ did make me think wow, that’s a lot of restructuring to LF’s contract to close the gap.
as for discussing the draft, I wasn’t just talking the NYG’s 1st & 2nd thread, it’s just come up in general.
I agree that I can’t read minds (i.e. AZ management), but play an “if I was them” scenario and I don’t think that this is one of those an addition by subtraction situations. AZ will be losing a quality player.
Anyways, nice to hear your opinion and the others that posted. We’ll have to wait and see what shakes out and then come back and try to bury each other some more!!!
Have a great weekend!!
lol
Its cool ill all hyped up on Mountain Dew! I understand your points and said they were good.. but i do think Boldin will and is becoming a problem child for the Cards and management needs to step up and do something soon, but three amazing receivers isn’t going to win a superbowl and if they want to win they need defense.
Point is Fitz and Breaston are enough to get the job done and a 3rd WR wont be hard to find obviously wont be a BOLDIN but if they can make it up on the defensive side of the ball and with their running game i think they beat Pittsburgh, think about how silly their defense looked that last drive, they just needed a stop. I think management knows that and defense does what? Wins Championships
As a Giant fan we all know this and the cards would be stupid to wait any longer on trading boldin he is at the max value he will be to the team right now, he can only get worse, say injury or poppin off at coaches cryin about contracts, like you said we all know what Rosenhaus can do with his little games.. get value now and make your team all round better… none of this means we get Boldin, but i hope we do…
Huh?? And here I'VE been drinking pots of coffee in the morning???
You make an excellent case and I agree that they need a better defense. ONE stop and they have a SB ring. I’d love to see him in blue, but odds are in Philly’s favor as far as getting him, so I’d rather he just stay in AZ while they get the defense they need. Have a good day and talk to ya again soon.
Yes sir
That’s a way of life my friend… next we will be running on a beach towards each other in slow motion with open arms… lol
my bad
Thought we shared a moment…. dont worry i dont swing that way just lightening up the comments was on a rampage earlier lol guess i’m just more comfortable with my ummm sexuality then you… they said in my psychology class homophobes are 80% more like to have gay intentions…. not that there is anything wrong with that!
don’t take that the wrong way non-friend still just trying to be a comedian…
Ed get Jerry on the phone
And get this deal done today please.
Then BBV gets the exclusive
Giants fan from the womb to the tomb
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Mar 13, 2009 8:09 AM EDT reply actions
I'm on it
If only it was that easy. LOL!!
by Ed Valentine on Mar 13, 2009 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions
Boldin
why would he want to go to the Eagles? Doesn’t he want to win a championship?
Giants fan from the womb to the tomb
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Mar 13, 2009 8:51 AM EDT reply actions
Arizona would want the Eagles
They have “theoretical” better compensation then the Giants could offer.
I say it is a theory because they have MANY more holes to fill then we do. I highly doubt they would be willing to offer a better set of picks then we would.
My concern
Is that Boldin is rumored to have the same cancer gene as T.O.
How true is that? I haven’t a clue.
Maybe
He’s almost exactly like TO in the sense that he’s started out quiet and now is doing what he can to get moved, he just is a little more image conscious then TO is.. but i hear he is good team mate and good in the locker room.. he goes by the rules but if they trade him its because he cried too much about his contract.. i wouldnt group him with the Plax’s and TO’s just yet but it is something to watch for…
Almost exactly like T.O.?
I think that is an exaggeration. I was originally against the Boldin idea, thinking of him as a troublemaker. But, he has had one run-in w/the cards over his contract. That’s it. Never been in any other trouble. It is a roll of the dice, but I don’t see Boldin the same way I see Owens.
by Ed Valentine on Mar 13, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Take it back`
I just meant he is kind of starting down that same path, i hope he doesnt but after yelling at the coach and contract cryin, dude you signed it was there a gun to your head? Thats just baby BS to me and it gives me that TO feel… i picked a wrong choice of words.. that said i’d take him pay him and make him happy to be in blue!
I have never heard that one
He had the one blowup with his coach and that was the talk of the playoff. Before that, it was all praise and cudos about how fast he came back from the hit he received from Eric Smith.
nah
he’s a WR – almost all WR’s are prima donnas to some extent. He just wants to be paid what he thinks he’s worth, and AZ doesn’t seem to want to give him that. IMO, I think Boldin wants to be paid like a #1, but AZ doesn’t want to potentially upset Larry Fitz and have HIM ask for more money. They’d rather cut their losses with Boldin, who is great, but he’s not as good as Fitz. At least that’s my interpretation of the situation.
Remember, TO did childish things on the field while a Niner, then called his QB gay, then demanded a trade, then refused to play for the team he was traded to, then was traded to another team, then had one of the best seasons by a WR ever, then called his “best-friend” QB a pansy and called him out for throwing up, then demanded a pay raise, then demanded to be released, then signed with a circus, then was a good citizen for a year, then started acting out, then whined about ANOTHER QB (and a TE), then finally got released AGAIN.
So far, Boldin has asked for more money or a trade. He’s VERY, VERY far from TO range.
I'm no GM
But if the Cards wanted to deal, then I would have done it earlier when Ward was still in the fold somewhat. Ward and a pick would work for me and would have been benificial to both teams. The Cards need a RB (Edge?…Hightower?) and we need a WR. With the loss of Arrington, I think this could have worked.
Even if the Cards are willing to trade to the Giants
Can we sign him? Anyone know what our salary cap situation is? After our spending spree on defensive players I don’t think we have the cap room to sign him. He wants the kind of contract that Larry Fitzgerald has, which is part of the reason he’s unhappy in Arizona.
The Eagles have a lot more room under the salary cap.
Cap Space
There is always ways to make space, like Eli’s new contract which is coming will free up space, plus they only count your 52 man roster as cap space so no one really knows our cap situation i dont care who you are, unless its Mara himself and even then he’s not sure… plus if we get boldin you’d bet your booty Plax is gone and guess what hey theres 7mil a year and I’m sure we will win a grievance and probably get back some of his bonus and money earned and who knows the implications that will have on the cap…
point is if we want him and we are willing to pay what he wants there is always a way to make cap room… ALWAYS
Cap
I don’t know exactly how it all works, but removing Plax from the roster should create some cap room as well.
by Ed Valentine on Mar 13, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions
i doubt it
I’m not sure either, but Plax got a new contract last year, that probably meant a big bonus. One of the reason for these insanely big deals, is to put more years on the contract because for cap purposes bonuses can be prorated over the life of the contract. So as I understand it, assume he $X signing bonus for n years. As long as he’s on the team only $x/n counts against the cap this year. If he gets cut his cap number will be the full signing bonus minus only what we paid him last year.
Plax
They can go and get alot of that bonus back, dude commited a felony and shot himself in the leg, ricky williams smoked some pot which is a misdemenor and he owed the fins 8mil, trust there will be cap space plus plax salary is at 7mil plus so that would be enough..
Actually..
i stand corrected
however, at the end of the article, they still take a cap hit for the signing bonus
Yup
And infact you are in a way correct because even though the falcons were awarded judgement i do believe it stays on the books unless they actually recieve payment and since Vick claimed bunkruptcy it protects him for atleast 7yrs i believe from having to pay them which means they wont get any cap relief(except his salary) until payment is recieved, although this rule could change with and if a new collective barganing agreement is reached… point is there are ways to get cap relief and we just dont have a clue how it will work out until it actually works out… does that make sense? lol
Also
You can be over the cap until the day you have to cut down to the maximum amount of players which i believe is 52 man roster… There are teams now over the cap, we have time to fix it…
We have to make a trade with the cap situation and roster size we are not going to be able to keep all 10 draft picks and by the time we get our compensatory draft picks we will be at atleast 12…
1 correction
We currently have 9 picks (2 in the 2nd round, 2 in the 5th).
by Ed Valentine on Mar 13, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Plax vs Bold
plax 9yrs 505rec 7845yds 61.3y/g 15.5avg 3.2yac 3631stD 55tds
bold 6yrs 502rec 6496yds 81.2y/g 12.9avg 5.5yac 3141stD 40tds
With 3 more years played youd think plax would be wayyyy ahead specially since Plax actually had good QBs and Boldin had a good QB only 1 year lol
i think legit WRs are few
in free agency, and there almost never ready to go in the draft. I wouldn’t give up a #1 for say Jerry Porter. But I think Boldin is legit, I’d give a #1 for him, and I consider the #2 for Shockey as gravy. I think I heard the price was a 1 and 3. I’d still feel good about the draft hauling in Boldin and have two second round picks
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