'Prospecting:' Do the Giants need a tight end?
We have gone on ad nauseum this off-season about the need for our New York Giants to upgrade the wide receiver position.
But, do the Giants also need an upgrade at tight end? There seems to be a school of thought at many of the reputable NFL Draft sites, including ESPN, that the answer is yes.
Here is how Mocking the Draft, SBN's own excellent draft site, framed the discussion.
The more I look at the Giants, the more I think the WR and TE positions need the most work via the draft. An excellent round two prospect (or maybe even round one) is Missouri TE Chase Coffman. Not a sexy pick, but he is the kind of guy that can give Eli Manning that which he needs: A security receiver. If Brandon Pettigrew falls to NY in the first round, they would be wise to take him. As Mocking Dan decrees:
Pettigrew is an NFL-ready tight end with good athleticism and a frame well-suited for the pros. Good enough athleticism to be a serious threat in the passing game. Has solid hands but tends to catch with his body from time to time. Size causes mismatches for defenders. He’s too fast for most linebackers and too big for safeties.
This kind of player would help the Giants create mismatches when teams play zone, and if they drop a safety down on someone like Pettigrew, it will open up WR opportunities downfield. In general, rookie TEs will offer more of an immediate impact than a rookie WR, and since the Giants are built to win now, a TE is a better option.
I am not convinced that tight end is a true 'need' position for the Giants. Kevin Boss showed terific improvement during 2008, his first season as a starter. He caught 33 passes, six for touchdowns and showed that he could be a tremendous weapon in the Red/Green Zone. He is going to continue to get better and better.
That said, the guys behind Boss -- Darcy Johnson, Michael Matthews and the newly-signed Lee Vickers are hardly exciting. I would be surprised to see the Giants go tight end in the first round. After that, though, all bets are off. The Giants have lots of picks and they will be looking for playmakers on offense. If the best one on the board when the Giants select happens to be a tight end, so be it.
Let's look at some of the possibilities.
Brandon Pettigrew, Oklahoma State
From NFL Draft Countdown.
Earns high marks as both a pass catcher and blocker...Was not a featured weapon in the Cowboys passing attack and has more potential as a receiver than he was given an opportunity to showcase in college...Can be an extension of the offensive line and almost serve as an extra offensive tackle...May not be a dynamic downfield threat in the passing game like Kellen Winslow or Vernon Davis but is a much better blocker...Not real flashy and won't run a 4.4 but is one of the best all-around tight end prospects to come along in quite some time.
I don't see Pettigrew as a likely Giant. GM Jerry Reese would have to trade up to get him, and if he does trade up -- which is very possible with the extra picks the Giants will have -- I think he is more likely to go after a big-time wide receiver or a stud offensive tackle.
Chase Coffman, Missouri
From Football's Future.
Coffman is a very difficult match up for opposing teams. He has a long, lean frame and knows how to get open. He can find the soft spot in a zone and set up for his QB or go up in one on one situations and pull down the ball over the defender. Coffman is a solid athlete with very good body control. He can make the difficult grab look easy, and he hauls in all the easy passes as well. He is a guy who should come in and be a very good receiving option right away. Coffman shows some potential as a blocker, displaying the effort to put his body on a man and help the play unfold. ... Coffman is a quality tight end that should have a solid NFL career. If he can bulk up and show some improved strength he has the talent to be a starter.
This Week's Mock Drafts
- National Football Post: Round 1 (29th), Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina; Round 2, 45th, Jared Cook, TE, South Carolina; Round 2 (60th), Chip Vaughn, SS, Wake Forest.
- NFL Draft Countdown: Round 1, Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina; Round 2, Max Unger, OL, Oregon;
- Football's Future: Round 1, Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina.
- Draft Tek: Round 1, Darrius Heyward-Bey, WR, Maryland; Round 2, Patrick Chung, SS, Oregon; Round 2, Marcus Freeman, OLB, Ohio State.
- Walter Football: Round 1, Knowshon Moreno, RB, Georgia; Round 2, Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers; Round 2, Tyrone McKenzie, OLB, South Florida.
- Mocking The Draft: Round 1, Hakeem Nicks, WR, North Carolina; Round 2, Louis Delmas, FS, Western Michigan; Round 2, Donald Brown, RB, Connecticut.
- ESPN: (Mel Kiper), Round 1, Kenny Britt, WR, Rutgers; (Todd McShay), Round 1, James Laurinaitis, LB, Ohio State.
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TE not a first day need
I think Kevin Boss is a very capable receiver. The reason the Giants got rid of Shockey, aside from his belly-aching, is that the TE is not featured in the way the Giants run their offense. The main purpose of the TE in the Giants offense is to provide great blocking, and to save them on third downs. If the Giants feel obligated to start throwing to a TE because they invested a high pick then I see the offense slowing back down to when they had Shockey.
by mymanren on Mar 13, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm fine with the three we've got.
Here’s what I’ve been wondering: with all the draft picks, will the Giants trade up? If so, what position will they go for? Lately, I’ve been thinking LOT or WR
by blue gonz on Mar 13, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Boss will do just fine.
We haven’t had a great TE since Mark Bavaro and he was certainly more than a blocking back or 3rd down savior. The young Bavaro was a beast. That was truly a guy that would not be tackled by one man, sometimes not even two or three. I always think of Rocky when I think of old #89. With that said, I don’t think we need to spend a 1st round pick on a TE. At 6’6, 250, Boss is a nice fit and a great team player. As the year progressed, he came into his own and will only improve. He has proven that he can run after the catch (think 45 yarder in Superbowl) and has enough athleticism (think the hurdle move he did over Philly safety Mikell). I think we are good enough at TE that a 1st rounder won’t have to be spent here.
by njgiant on Mar 13, 2009 11:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We don't need a TE
definitely not worth a first day pick. That said, if the Chiefs are still looking to dump Tony G., I’d take him in a heartbeat
by cjmulrain on Mar 13, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yup
We dont need a TE but i too would take Tony G and ontop of that when we got inside the 20 and wanted to throw our infamous fade patter but there is no plaxico.. why not lineup Boss outside like we did plax and let his 6-6 big fram body just go get it? I just wonder if we even tried that once in practice… sounded good in my head anyways.. anyone else every think that?
by gobs56 on Mar 13, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, yeah
He could do what the Raiders used to do with Kramer. He’s got soft hands and can leap. In fact, I think they could go full Alley-Oop with him.
by blue gonz on Mar 13, 2009 1:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kramer?
Meant Caspar. Better yet, RC Owens.
by blue gonz on Mar 13, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
That stuff is wayy too old for me my friend, can not comment on 1961 or the 70s.. but i will say that i do remember us using Shockey for moments like that, ahhh Dawkins was his biatch on that play lol.
by gobs56 on Mar 13, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right about Owens.
He played in the fifties and sixties. I guess Caspar is forgotten. Too bad—he’s an HOFer and played into the early eighties. Anyway, the question is why the Giants don’t utilize Boss on a fade in TC’s “green zone.” Surely, the idea must have occurred to the coaching staff. Do they feel that Eli doesn’t have the touch to make the play work?
by blue gonz on Mar 13, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Now that you put it that way lets sign a petition to TC saying we must use Boss in that roll! WTF we did it with Shockey and Plax, now that you have agreed with me I’m 100% sold on the idea, before i wasn’t too sure if maybe i was dreaming but thinking about it why not atleast do it in preseason just to see it..
by gobs56 on Mar 13, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've brought up the idea in the past.
I have a high regard for Boss.
Don’t get too excited about my agreeing with me—I’m not the second coming of Lombardi.
by blue gonz on Mar 13, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
don't sell yourself short
I trust your opinions on football as much as anyone out there.
by cjmulrain on Mar 14, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
George is the man
He has a lifetime of perspective, and his answers are always thoughtful.
by Ed Valentine on Mar 14, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember correctly
But doesn’t Eli through a pretty terrible corner fade? At least I seem to remember when he was younger it was terrible. I might be confusing him with someone else though
by queler on Mar 16, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He does indeed throw a terrible fade, but he should be able to learn how to toss an
acceptable one. That is one of the reasons I speculatively advanced as KG’s reason for not using the play. Without letting KG off the hook, I believe the same explanation pertains to other kinds of passing plays the Giants choose to use or not use. My hope is that with his continuing improvement Eli will get better in all areas of the passing game.
by blue gonz on Mar 16, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eli throws a lousy screen pass too.
by giant fan since 57 on Mar 16, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eli doesn't have much touch
which is surprising, considering Peyton is one of the most accurate passers in the league. But, as hard as I am on Eli, he has a leadership quality that many QB’s don’t have, which is why he’s kinda hard to measure.
by cjmulrain on Mar 18, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a first day pick
That wouldnt seem necessary as they’ve shown they can win, a lot, with Boss as the main TE, and I agree he’ll continue to progress
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Mar 13, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Moreno!?
I’d like to know who thinks Knowshon Moreno is still going to be available at #29? If he’s still there at 29 we won’t need a WR because our running game will be pretty unstoppable.
I agree we don’t need a TE on the first day. But would take Tony G in a heartbeat (even though I was initially against bringing him in).
by John W on Mar 13, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not that late.
Moreno will not be there by pick 29 and even so, we go WR or LB.
by njgiant on Mar 13, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Moreno's a little overrated
but I haven’t really seen him play all that much. I just don’t think he’s worth as high a pick as he’s gonna be. And the Giants are set at WR – we’ve already got a RB from Georgia that I’m excited about, Danny Ware.
by cjmulrain on Mar 14, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
I watched a lot of Georgia games and I wasn’t tremendously impressed either. He’s no Herschel Walker. Moreno was contained fairly well in some big games when they really needed him, though his offensive line didn’t give him all that much help either. Maybe if Georgia’s passing game had been up to speed he would have performed better. Stafford had nobody to throw to and he ended up looking mediocre as well.
by giant fan since 57 on Mar 14, 2009 4:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tight ends
The giants knew this year was a great year to get a tight end before last years draft and planned accordingly. Plax has altered their needs but they have enough picks to still draft a tight end.The only one worth it to them in the first however is Pettigrew. He can block and though not fast, has enough speed ,good hands, and can run routes . I don’t think they move up for him but it depends on how the draft goes. If a receiver that they love is there , it will be hard (nicks?) to pass. Even a dropping running back (moreno, wells) might entice them in the first. Then in the second they would probably go receiver first and tight end second as the tight end class has many prospects who are pretty even and don’t fit their first priority - The Giants want a tight end who can block first (quinn of NC) as boss is a decent receiver and good after the catch. The problem is all of the other 2nd round possibities aren’t blockers.Coffman is fine player but rarely played in line so he needs to fall to them at #60 or they are compromising too much . .The other possibilities are projects with great raw skills-ingram-cook -casey --nelson . The bottom line is the Giants must draft a tight end (what if Boss gets hurt?) and plan to, because unlike their other needs, they didn’t resolve the situation in free agency. That has been their plan since trading Shockey. The perfect answer is Pettigrew but how much do they give up to get him and do they have a chance at more value in the first round.
by gangof4 on Mar 13, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm very on the fence about this
I want Tight end with receiving skills. But i don’t want a guy who can’t block for his life. Late round might work.. but i’m not sure
It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying
http://novafacts.blogspot.com
by Hoyadestroya85 on Mar 13, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like bioth guys baccking up Boss.
If he goes down, between them, they’ll do okay.
by blue gonz on Mar 13, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And we may not have
a one or two if the Boldin deal goes down. If it doesn’t, then they should only take one in the second round if a top flight TE falls to their pick. Receiver, LB and Secondary have to be the prioritiy.
When its 3rd and long, throw the ball past the marker.
by Fester McDougal on Mar 13, 2009 3:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
when in doubt, see rule # 1 >>> BEST VALUE -Jerry Reese
by NY17NE14 on Mar 13, 2009 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
absolutely. I trust Reese to not reach for a “need” position. You just take the best guy on the board, and he’ll earn his way onto the field, regardless of position.
by cjmulrain on Mar 14, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if pettigrew is on the board at 29
he’ll be the best player available…
It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying
http://novafacts.blogspot.com
by Hoyadestroya85 on Mar 14, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Draft
They should take whoever they pick and we should trust that pick.. if all else fails he gets fired and we still got our jobs and we can’t be fired from being Giants fans so win win situation for us, not like we haven’t been through bad times before they will come again.. lets enjoy our recent success and trust the men who got us here… If they take a kicker with the first pick and traded up for him(god forbid) i’d still keep the faith…
by gobs56 on Mar 13, 2009 10:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"If they take a kicker with the first pick ..." there's a scary thought!!
by NY17NE14 on Mar 14, 2009 8:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i don't know
what if the kicker hits it from 60 with regularity.. can punt 50+ on average and kicks it out of the endzone every time?
It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying
http://novafacts.blogspot.com
by Hoyadestroya85 on Mar 14, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't need a "TE", but a guy listed as TE would be great
I’ve said it on this blog before and I’ll say it until draft day, we NEED Jared Cook or Shawn Nelson.
Ive always wanted a guy like Antonio Gates on the Giants. Plax was good, but its obvious he is probably not gonn play for the Gints again (if he does great). The only way to get that type of guy back on the team, which is a nice weapon, is to get a big guy that is a pass catcher on the team.
Cook is more of a WR than a TE, tho he is the size of a TE. He is as fast as Nicks and Britt, tho much bigger and can jump higher. He would be a great addition. But he wouldn’t be a real TE so he wouldn’t really back up Boss.
Nelson is more of a complete TE, and he is just as big and fast as Cook. So between the 2 you can probably get more out of him.
I don’t want any of the other guys, even tho Pettigrew would be nice to have cuz he could be an elite all-around TE like Witten
by FreeBradshaw on Mar 22, 2009 3:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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