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What Giants' Coughlin, Reese really want to say about Burress

Both New York Giants coach Tom Coughlin and General Manager Jerry Reese have spoken about troubled wide receiver Plaxico Burress in the past few days.

Both have sounded conciliatory. I doubt, though, that they are quite so nice in private when the subject turns to Burress. Here is what a conversation between them probably sounds like.

Coughlin: Hey, Jerry, you know I wish we didn't have to say all these hopeful things about this idiot. He just screwed up what might have been the best two-year run in franchise history, and I'm still ticked off about it.

Reese: I hear you, Tom, but we have to play the game. There is money and grievances and legal crap and being able to get something for him in a trade to worry about. We have to make nice for now. You can rip him later -- after we dump his sorry butt!

Coughlin: Yeah, yeah ... I know. But if it wasn't for this guy they might be calling me the best coach in Giants history. And, and, and ... they might be starting to craft my Hall of Fame bust.

Reese: Easy, Tom, easy. Your face is getting all red -- kinda like it did in Green Bay during that  NFC Championship Game.

Coughlin: OK, OK. Question, though. If we have to have him around next season can we implement a team rule allowing coaches to bring guns to practice? That way, anyone who isn't five minutes early to meetings gets shot in the leg. We can just tell the commissioner that the gun slipped down the players' pant leg.

Reese: That's a helluva good idea, Tom. I don't think the commissioner will go along with it, though. Maybe we better pass on that one.

Coughlin: (Heavy sigh!!). Ahh, I supposed you're right. Maybe we can hire chaperones for him, though. They can make sure he gets here on time, stays out of trouble in night clubs and all that stuff. Shoot, they might even be able to drive his kid to school.

Reese: Now there is an idea I can do something about! Let me call Jerry Jones, he has experience with that sort of stuff. I'll bet he can recommend someone.

Coughlin: Go for it, Jerry. I don't want this punk wrecking another season for us.

Reese: Maybe we can convince the commissioner to just suspend him for the whole season. Then, we can cut him and be done with this mess.

You get the idea. The more I think about it, the more I believe TC and JR are posturing, saying what they have to say to put themselves in the best position possible to get something in return when they eventually cut ties with Burress. To be honest, at least that is what I hope they are doing.

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Wow, Ed, you're really stirring things up.

Are you trying to get a record # of off season comments on BBV? Anyway, despite my ignorance of the inner workings of the minds of TC and JR or the content of what I expect are their excessive (and resented) deliberations re Plax, I suspect the scenario you describe pretty much matches reality.

by blue gonz on Feb 23, 2009 8:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I don't know

Every so often you have to have a little fun, though.

by Ed Valentine on Feb 23, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i enjoyed

the part about coaches carrying guns to practice.. i love tom coughlin’s obsession with running things early.

It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying

http://novafacts.blogspot.com/

by Hoyadestroya85 on Feb 23, 2009 9:01 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

LOL Ed

Nice job. I was just thinking a few days ago that at this point everyone here is projecting their feelings about what should be done about Plax on TC & JR. This really drives that point home and I’m sure the comments that will be coming will drive it even further.

At this point I think it’s really simple & I doubt anyone would disagree about it … the Giants simply are just putting themselves in the best position possible for the day that a final decision about Plax has to be made. They are moving on in the offseason like he won’t be back and will probably reserve their final decision on Plax until the chips fall where the may.

Of course, I wouldn’t be surprised if TC’s real feelings were not too far off from what you’ve laid out here.

by potroast on Feb 23, 2009 9:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You'll rue the day

When Burress is in Eagle green or God forbid Cowboy blue sticking it to the Giants time after time. If guys like Ray Lewis and Pacman Jones can be given chance after chance after chance for doing things MUCH worse than stupidly shooting yourself in the leg, does not Burress deserve the chance to learn from his mistake also? As far as Reese goes, he has always been a straight shooter, it’s one of the things that makes him such a good GM. As much as you may not like it, it’s possible that he is being straight on this issue too and he actually DOES want Plax back.

by MJ20 on Feb 23, 2009 9:28 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sure, it's possible

Anything is. So is my scenario. The thing I never want to see happen is for the Giants to sell out to talent w/o regard to character. Then, they become the Bengals or the Cowboys. In the end, the question JR and TC have to answer is can they, and the players in the locker room, trust this guy to be their for them. That’s not a clear-cut answer, and they are the only ones in position to answer it.

by Ed Valentine on Feb 23, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

With Plax, it's not so much an issue of character

as unreliability. I’ve said here before and will say again that Burress is no thug in the mold of Pacman. What it comes down to – and what will ultimately be the deciding factor for TC and JR – is whether the team wants to go forward with an impact receiver who, for all his talent and for some inexplicable reason, is so self-centered and irresponsible that he can’t be trusted to be there when his teammates need him. Of course letting him go would be a risk. But keeping him – or another team signing him – presents the flip side of that risk, the risk of tying up a big chunk of cap money on a player who’s only going to let you down when you need him the most . Ir’s up to team management to weigh those risks and move forward. That’s why they get the big bucks.

by django48 on Feb 23, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's weird

Burress was so important in 07 for them to win a SB & was so important in their late season collapse in 08, I still don’t know what to make of him. They still need to talk him up just in case he plays for them or if they want to trade him for a lot. I agree with ETVal that TC must be very annoyed. If they had won back to back SB’s he would probabbly a lock for the HOF and if continued coaching for the remainder of his contract he would proabbly be considered a better coach than Bill Parcells. After 5 years compared to Parcells after 5 he has more regular season wins an extra playoff appearance along with a SB. 08 Was probabbly his best shot at another SB. I’d be pissed if I were TC too.

by Landeta on Feb 23, 2009 9:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I still think he'll be back

I dont have much reason why, just a feeling, barring incarceration of course. Plus Heyward-Bey is probably pricing himself out of our draft slot given his combine performance this weekend.

Well if the Giants win another SB in Coughlins tenure, I dont see why he wouldnt merit serious consideration for the HOF.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Feb 23, 2009 10:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

i think Reese is serious

about bringing him back. And I think Coughlin really doesn’t want that to happen. That being said the real problem is he is probably going to jail, and regardless will be suspended 8 games. I doubt it would be a full year, Goddell hinted at the super bowl that was reserved for repeat offenders

by queler on Feb 23, 2009 11:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That's a problem

A GM is asking for a lot of trouble if he forces a player on a coach that the coach really doesn’t want to have. Whatever happens, I hope both guys are truly on the same page.

by Ed Valentine on Feb 23, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have to assume

that JR and TC are on the same page. The Giants are too much of a well-oiled organization to assume the contrary. You can’t really conclude much as to what’s being said behind closed doors from public pronouncements that are as much about negotiating strategy as anything else.

by django48 on Feb 23, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i dunno

The language used the same week by TC and JR was pretty different

by queler on Feb 23, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What is JR really thinking????

I’d guess he has already spoken to Goodell (off the record) and knows what to expect there (atleast best case; worst case). Plaxico’s feelings / attitude? Plaxico has been talking to NYG medical staff and Charles Way. NO ONE’S had a what the f… conversation with him? Is he getting help to get his life together? JR knows what the staff is hearing from him. I’m sure the legal staff for the Giants has gone over the case a million times and talked to the NY prosecutor’s office to get a feel for what they’re after. You’d think that would have put a call into that jackass agent’s office as well.

Based on all that they know and unfortunately we don’t, they may feel compelled to give him ONE MORE shot. The options are pretty limited (Boldin = BIG $$$ or betting on a rookie draft pick to save 2009)

Just a guess on my part, but I can’t see them not doing some of what I mentioned. It would sure help clear alot of things up in my mind!

by NY17NE14 on Feb 23, 2009 12:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Pierce

Seemed to think it was life-changing thing for Plax, I don’t remember the exact quote, but who knows what that means

by queler on Feb 23, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The morning after having too much to drink

can leave you thinking you need to stop doing stuff.
Imagine waking up with a bullet hole in your leg
that you put there!!!!

by NY17NE14 on Feb 23, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

hmmm... thats a possibility

i imagine it going more like this:

TC: so any word on Plax? he’s an idiot but also one of our best players and one of the best recievers in the league and i’m anxious to know if we’ll have him back next season.

JR: we’ll, he’s been in touch with our medical staff. haven’t spent too much time talking to him though. he obviously still needs to sort out his legal issues. it’s a shame he messed up so bad because he really does work hard and isn’t a bad person.

TC: i agree. well i hope he stays out of jail so he can play for us next year.

JR: me too. say, isn’t it rediculous that giants fans are calling for us to dump him? we’d be crazy to do that!

TC: i know it’s absurd. it’s like they take his accident personally. like plax purposely shot himself in the leg to ruin last season.

JR: that really is absurd. it’s not like we’d be anything like the cowboys or the bengals if plax is back at camp.

TC: yeah i dunno. i mean it’s not like he helped his friends kill a guy and then lied to the police to try and cover it up like ray lewis.

JR: seriously, it’s nothing like that. well, hopefully the fans trust us to know whats best for the team by now.

TC: i tell you this job what be easy if it werent for the effing fans.

JR. no shinola sherlock. awright dude, smell you later.

TC: peace out, homeslice.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.

by kendynamo on Feb 23, 2009 2:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Who's this TC guy in your piece???

I can’t think of anyone in the GIANTS organization with the initials TC that would say
anything that sounds close to that ???

by NY17NE14 on Feb 23, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I highly doubt that

look, we all know Plax is a magnificent talent, probably one of the top 5, definitely top 10 receivers in the league when healthy and on the field. We also know Tom Coughlin doesn’t have much patience for locker room distractions (see Barber, Tiki; and Shockey, Jeremy). I’m sure the Giants are weighing their options – I’d assume their #1 choice would be to trade Plax while simultaneously trading for Anquan Boldin, and hoping to not give up too much in the trade-off (i.e., get a 4th rounder for Plax, give up a 2nd rounder for Boldin = acceptable; get a 7th rounder for Plax, give up a 1st rounder for Boldin = not acceptable).

I would have no problem with the Giants bringing Plax back next year – I like the guy, he helped us win a Super Bowl, and he’s a great receiver. But the shooting wasn’t the only incident – he had racked up tons and tons of fines. That can’t sit well with Coughlin or the rest of the Front Office. He’s not a bad guy, and I don’t think many people here are claiming he is (any more than we claim Tiki or Shockey are bad guys) – but he is a distraction, and he did effectively flush the Giants repeat hopes down the toilet. If you can’t see that, you’re far more ignorant than you’re claiming that the rest of us are.

Anyway, just my 2 cents. I’m sick of the matter – whatever the F.O. does to fill the #1 WR slot for next season is fine by me. My #1 preference is for Plax to not go to jail and to be lining up on the flank next year, looking to redeem his name in NY. My #2 preference is to trade Plax (I’d rather they trade him for the Seahawks 7th rounder in 2016 than let him go to the Eagles) and then swing a deal for Boldin. My #3 preference is to trade Plax and then draft a WR. But whatever happens, happens, and I’m pretty sick of talking about it (this is the “sign Manny” of the Giants offseason, it seems…)

by cjmulrain on Feb 23, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WHOA... I apologize to CJ and anyone

else who has been offended!!!!

“If you can’t see that, you’re far more ignorant than you’re claiming that the rest of us are.”

I don’t know where that came from, but if anyone else gets that feeling from my posts, I need to go back to technical writing class. I’m no poet, but I NEVER mean to offend or demean anyone here! If I thought that I was leaving a bad impression here, it was " Oh, he thinks he’s Mr. funny " Sorry, I love to laugh. I intentionally leave the door wide open for someone with a quick sense of humor to slam it shut with something that will make all of us LOL!!!

I’ll be waiting to hear from anyone I’ve offended.

GO GIANTS!!!

by NY17NE14 on Feb 23, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

pretty sure CJ was directing that at me

i’ve been known to protest the the anti-plax contingent rather ferociously. however i have tried to reform and only offer mere contrary opinions to those currently prevailing on these web pages.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.

by kendynamo on Feb 23, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NICE GOING JERK...

Just kiddin…
Thanks for your reply!!

If you read my “what’s JR thinking” post and his post, I think that you can see why I figured he was responding to me. I’ve read many (immature) blogs over the years and found this site to be the first worth getting involved in and would hate to get a bad rep in my first month.

by NY17NE14 on Feb 23, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NY17 ... and everyone else

Let’s just try to remember that we are all here because we love the Giants. We can, and will, disagree. But, frame a good argument, make your point peacefully, remember that we are all on the same side and we all want the same thing — victories by the Giants. We are all friends here.

by Ed Valentine on Feb 23, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm trying buddy

Any thoughts on my “JR’s thinking” post

How can a powerful organization like the GIANTS not have spoken to the prosecutors already and asked “ok, what are you looking for here?” It happens in the hallways of courts everyday. Tell Goodell, I got to know what’s coming. It will impact the NFC EAST and beyond. Rosenhuas (or whatever his name is) wants money back !!! A shrewd negotiator like Reese can get this done. Maybe the comments really are face saving for NYG taking him back (keeping him). I can’t wait til 3/31 so we can get on with our post-Plaxico gunshot lives.

by NY17NE14 on Feb 24, 2009 7:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

JR

I am sure there are a great many things going on behind the scenes that we don’t know — and will never know. It is likely, as you suggest, the Giants do have a lot of information that currently is not for public consumption.

by Ed Valentine on Feb 24, 2009 8:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Come on Ed...

just call over there;
tell’em who you are and demand that they fill you in!!!!

by NY17NE14 on Feb 24, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, sure

To the Giants, unfortunately, BBV is non-existent. I have tried a few times, but can’t even get the time of day from the organization. That, I hope, will change with time.

by Ed Valentine on Feb 24, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Prosecutors

don’t bargain with anyone other than the accused. That’s not the way that the criminal justice system works. The DA’s office isn’t going to talk to anyone other than Plax and his attorney.

I predict that for all Bloomberg’s politcal grandstanding, they’ll let Plax plead to a lesser offense and give him probation. Of course, if he violates that, it’s another story entirely.

by django48 on Feb 24, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

details. No one knows anyone when

you just won the first New York SB in decades? There are never any unnamed sources in news. Plax won’t want the help of a gazillion dollar organization or the “influence” that comes with it, if it would keep his ass out of jail? I got to disagree.

by NY17NE14 on Feb 24, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

HUH? This isn't a game for the poor you know.

These people have money, LOTS of MONEY and with money comes power and influence!!! It’s not corruption, but if the NY Giants want to find something out, I seriously doubt they can’t ask someone who knows the answer or who has a pretty God damn good one!!!

by NY17NE14 on Feb 24, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

of course, i have just having fun

here’s how it’d REALLY happen

TC: Jerry, what’s going on, is Plax coming back or not?

JR: You know I don’t the answer, Tom, otherwise I would have told you by now.

TC: Well it sounds like you planning on brining him back, and I don’t think all the BS Plax brings with him is the best thing for the team right now.

JR: Look, if Plax comes back, it’ll be on our terms and he’ll follow our rules or he won’t be back at all. But we have to keep our options open and do what’s best for the team, and one of those options is keeping a talent like Burress in a Giants uniform.

TC: You’re right, it’s just this agita I’ve got. I don’t need any more stress. And that’s another thing that’s been bothering me, how the hell does Marisa Tomei not win an Oscar for her role in the Wrestler?

JR: I don’t know but boy did she look fine. She was naked more often then she had clothes on!

TC: It was pretty sweet. Oh how I’d like to break of a piece in that tight rump of hers. Not that Penelope Cruz is some hag or anything but this is Marisa friggin Tomei we’re talking about.

JR: You don’t have to tell me, brother.

TC: Say, I’m hungry, let’s go get cupcakes.

JR: You’re not going to going to get one withg pink frosting again are you?

TC: Hey, screw you! I like the pink frosting.

JR: Hey, up yours, pal!

Together: Hahahaha

[High five!]

The End

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.

by kendynamo on Feb 23, 2009 5:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Apologies

for the ignorant line, that was over the top. I’m just sick of the whole Plax debate – I just want the Giants to have a legit #1 wide receiver next year, I don’t care who it is (well, as long as it’s not T.O.)

And Ken, your posts on Amazin Avenue make me laugh at least once a day, so it’s nothing personal, sorry if it came off that way. Like I said, just sick of the Plax thing.

by cjmulrain on Feb 23, 2009 11:11 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

no worries on my end dude

off seasons suck, especially this one. i know i was a lot angier before but i’m really just playing around now.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.

by kendynamo on Feb 24, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

this is the worst time of year. Football offseason, baseball offseason, not yet March Madness, NBA regular season is boring, same with NHL. February blows. Too bad boxing isn’t relevant anymore, this would be the perfect time of year for a big title-bout.

by cjmulrain on Feb 24, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah ken

unleash your hate on the Eagles, your hate flows strong for them. those always make me crack up

by queler on Feb 24, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

not that i wouldnt love to

as i despise all things pertainign to the eagles cowboys and redkins with all my being, but i’m going to just stick to pro giants comments. especially new york giants whose names rhyme with fraxico blurris.

HELLO HELLO MR WILPON. WE WANT THE MANSION NOT THE CONDO.

by kendynamo on Feb 24, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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