No Strahan on All-Decade Team? Are you serious, Peter?
by Ed Valentine on Dec 9, 2009 9:33 AM EST
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SI.com's Peter King is out with the NFL Team of the Decade, and I have just one thing to say. Aaron Smith over Michael Strahan at defensive end? Peter, you have got to be kidding!
Aaron Smith? Give me a break!
Now, Smith is a fine player and it's nice that his defensive coordinator, Dick Lebeau, told King "he can't be blocked."
But is a mostly anonymous 3-4 defensive end really worthy of a spot on this team over Strahan? Sorry, I fail to see how you can justify that.
I know comparing 3-4 defensive ends to 4-3 defensive ends is like comparing apples to oranges because the responsibilites, and in many cases, the stats they compile will be different. But, still. I don't get it.
Strahan was the 2001 Defensive Player of the Year when he broke the single-season sack record with 22.5 (thank you, Brett Favre!). In this decade Strahan went to four Pro Bowls, was named All-Pro twice, played in two Super Bowls with one championship, recorded 88 of his career 141 sacks and had more than 60 tackles three times.
Smith? One Pro Bowl appearance (2004), 44 career sacks and only one season of more than 50 tackles (55 in 2002).
Your thoughts?
(E-mail Ed at bigblueview@gmail.com)
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Agreed Ed
Also, he chose his defense based on the 4-3, not the 3-4, therefore, (gosh thats a lot of fores and fours) he should have picked Strahan on that basis alone.
Wow....
I mean, not only do you snub Strahan…but with all the other options…you pick Aaron Smith?
“Others spanned the decade better”? Has the line of cocaine King sniffs ‘spanned’ the entire decade too?
The hell is wrong with this guy?
Strahan was 6"5 and 298 and unblockable too…and it actually showed up on the stat sheet (stopping the run and sacking the QB..btw Peter..)
King is a fool.
"It ain't over till its over"---
The other jokes on his team...
Hines Ward? Really? Over Marvin Harrison?
Mike Vrabel? Over… uh… like 25 other linebackers?
Dante Hall? Over Devin Hester?
King and other Media types
are always trying to be different with these sorts of things. Because they talk a lot to NFL coaches they think they are one of them and can make these sorts of comments because they think they know substantialy more about X’s and O’s than the average fan, ie Francesa. It’s a joke and that’s why I don’t bother reading or listening unless it’s about personal moves or labor issues regarding the league. Strahan was a complete D-End. Everybody knows how well he rushed the QB but his run D was just as good which is saying something. King hates the Giant’s sans Parcells anyways so it’s to be expected.
Who was the other D-End Favre?! I’m sure Brett occuppied about 5 or 6 positions on King’s team
by Landeta on Dec 9, 2009 9:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Unbelievable..until one realizes..
It’s typical “King”..The only thing his articles are good for is ‘Puppy training’
Peter King is so biased...
He is a lifelong Red Sox/Patriots fan and has an innate adverse opinion of New York sports.
I do appreciate some of his inside color on the NFL but he has become such a self promoting windbag I can barely get through MMQB anymore.
+1000000000
You ain’t kidding, and any time he takes a mailbag question on his bias, he poo-poos it away. He’s gotten so grumpy-old-man it’s getting almost unreadable, which is unfortunate because he does have great player access and used to be a good read.
I think King
was trying to prove how ‘smart’ he thinks he is with ‘unconventional’ choices. To be honest, I was too ticked off by the Strahan slight to really closely examine the rest of his team.
If he wanted to prove he was smart by going with a 3-4 DE...
maybe he’d pick Richard Seymour? Or would that fullly identify him as a biased fool?
"It ain't over till its over"---
Peter King
Is one of the biggest jokes in sports media. I agree iwht Bobbiblues take on it.
I will always be pulling for you #20.
April 20, 1996 - February 28, 2009
Here's how bad his team is...
I think I could put together a team not using any of the guys he chose that would beat his team.
lol...
this is just laughable. Strahan was one of the best DE i’ve ever witnessed play the game.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Just for the lulz
I read the “NFL: Highlights and lowlights” article as well. He picked the 2007 Patriots team as the best team of the decade. Too bad they weren’t the best team that year, Peter. There’s your bias in full technicolor right there.
honestly though
they were. I think if that team plays 10 games against any other team this decade, they win at least 6 of them, and against most teams they probably win like 8 or 9 or even all 10. The Giants just happened to be perfect the one time they played when it counted.
Yea, they lost the big one, but find me another 18-1 team from this decade.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
"of all the rip-off, screw job, gyp joint...
…forget you, pal! thanks for nothing!"
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 9, 2009 10:12 AM EST reply actions
Strahan
Yeah I was surprised by that big omission. But the Peter King has always been a what have you done for me lately kind of guy. And he always contradicts himself.
Ed, I haven't bothered to look but was King formulating..
The “Losing Team of the Decade”?
LOL Aaron who
Ok I am about to expose myself but who is this guy seriously?
by Late for Dinner on Dec 9, 2009 10:37 AM EST reply actions
He IS very good
for a 3-4 end. He’s actually out for the season this year and every bit a reason why Pitt’s D is struggling as Polamalu’s injuries are.
…but he’s not in the same conversation as Richard Seymour…who both aren’t in the same conversation as Michael Strahan.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Not surprising coming from Peter King...
who other than Troy Aikman, is the most biased anti-Giant NFL commentators out there.
Rzor
He also went on to say that the Giants upset of the Patriots WASN’T the best Super Bowl of the decade…last year was a great game, but to stop a team from going undefeated for the season in the biggest game of the year and the fashion in which they did it makes it the best game.
In his three Super Bowl highlights, he even mentions the Giants beating the Patriots as considered for Best Single Game Performance in a Super Bowl and Best Super Bowl, finally he had to relent to give us the Upset of the Decade Super Bowl
I think all this backlash is what King would want tho....
maybe get a few more hits on his website.
I hope he gets a mild case of the swine flu.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Mild?
I get mildly nauseous whenever I accidently turn on “Football Night in America.”
“(Peter King) should die of gonorrhea and rot in hell……would you like a cookie son?”
by BigBlue4Life on Dec 9, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Who cares what defense he based his pick on,
it is now official that Peter King is a certifiable crackhead. Strahan meant more to his team and was, by far, better than Aaron Smith.
I wouldn’t wish the swine flu on anyone, but a weekend or two of serious diarrhea would be appropriate.
It’s been obvious over the years that he, for some reason, either dislikes or could care less about the Giants.
It’s also obvious that this was done, as FreeBradshaw posted, to direct traffic to his website. There’s a word that people in the south use – TERD
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
Yeah it was more
a phonetic kind of thing. Not that the “u” would sound any different than the “e”, but it gave it more of a trailer trash type of flair in my eyes lol. Northern by birth and currently the butt of God’s joke here in South Georgia. Grrrr.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
Another thing
I love me some Peyton, but I would much rather have Tom Brady in a big game than Peyton.
Kind of like choosing Marino over Montana.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 9, 2009 11:06 AM EST reply actions
except
Peyton now has a Super Bowl ring, has beaten the Patriots in an AFC Championship game, and has won 5 of 6 against them. 3 years ago that argument was fine, but now it’s pretty silly.
I don’t think you could go wrong with either guy, but when you factor in that Brady didn’t start until 2001 and missed an entire season, Peyton’s the guy when considering an all-decade team.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Obviously not trying to say Peyton is undeserving
This is kind of like the Marino vs Montana debate, either guy is fine. Peyton has only done it once, gimme the guy with 3 rings
by Late for Dinner on Dec 9, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
They're both equal IMO
tho Peyton’s the better passer.
Take a gander at the defenses that Brady’s teams won with tho. Those are some elite, Giants Late 80’s type defenses (sans LT to take the Giants of old over the top of course).
The Colts had D too, I ain’t shortchanging that…but Brady’s 3 rings are a lot more to do with the fact his HC is a defensive ‘genius’ and great players on that defense.
Give me Peyton every single day of the week.
Brady is a HOFer…one of the top 5-10 QB’s of all time quite possible.
Peyton is #1. There really isn’t much argument.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Joe Montana
and maybe Johnny U. But yea, he’s definitely top-3. If Brady wins another Super Bowl and Manning never wins another one, I might put Brady over Manning again. But right now Manning’s on top.
My top 6 (only guys I’ve seen)
1) Montana
2) Manning
3 Elway
4) Brady
5) Marino
6) Favre
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Gotta be honest here George..
No, I was serious about Simms..the guy with a rifle and zippo targets..I’d put him above Elway easily….CJ’s list is modern era QBs..How about Unitas, Sonny, Namath, Titlte, Dawson, Bart Starr, Staubach, Tarkington..I could go on and on…
cj's list was excellent
As you say, there’re lots of great QBs he never saw. IMO, Unitas was the best ever. There’re are many who would choose Montana, Manning or Elway. By the time Manning retires he might supplant Unitas. I always include Bobby Layne on any list of best all-time QBs.
If I were to go all-time
like I said, my top 2 are Montana and Johnny U – but everything I know about Unitas is based off stuff I’ve heard/read or grainy reel footage, so I like to use the late 80’s/early 90’s as my cutoff (which is pretty convenient since that’s when the league really started to turn into a passers league anyway).
Another guy whose name really should be mentioned in these conversations is Otto Graham. He was basically the Bill Russell of football – 10 championship appearances in 10 years is just incredible.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Otto certainly belongs in the top ten.
I’m sure some would say top five. Those Browns team were loaded with talent, at least 5-6 HOFers. I can name four off the top of my head, Otto, Motley (BJ before there was a BJ), Groza, Lavelli. Otto was a great all around athlete. Didn’t play QB until he hit the NFL, All-American in basketball, and played for the NBA Champion Rochester Royals (for you Knicks fans—Red Holtzman was the point guard, a damned good one.)
Simms
I love Simms – he was my favorite player when I was a kid (as a blonde haired kid I identified with him) even though he was mostly over the hill at that point. I think he’d have a much better case if he hadn’t gotten hurt in ‘90 – I think the Giants still would have won that Super Bowl (in fact it probably wouldn’t have come down to a missed FG for them to do so), and with 2 SB’s Simms’ credentials would be impeccable. But as it stands, he only won one Super Bowl despite playing with a defense that JEFF HOSTETLER was able to win a Super Bowl with.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
If he didn't get injured
He’d be a surefire Hall of Famer.
As it is, he hasn’t done enough to put him in over other deserving people, which is a shame.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
modern era
1. Montana
2. Brady
3. Manning
16. Favre
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 10, 2009 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
I would probably put Young at #7
And fill out the top 10 with some combination of Jim Kelly, Troy Aikman, Phil Simms, Warren Moon, & even Kurt Warner at this point. I also think if he ever wins the big one Drew Brees will have to at least get his name mentioned.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Peyton
is the greatest of all time.
See what he’s doing this year with a rookies and inexperienced receivers.
Noone say Brady is better because he won with worst receivers
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
K
Without seeing him, and based only on wiki and what people have told me, Simms was a darn good qb, and a great one for the giants.
But I don’t think anyone is as good as Peyton.
I’ll take Peyton over the Marinos, Elways, Montanas, Bradshaws, Namaths, Tittles, etc.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
Will, are you serious?
You never seen Simms play?
And Bobbi is right about the WR’s. Though some of their careers overlapped, here are a few, if you remember?! In no particular order…
Manuel
Baker
Ingram
Turner
McCaffrey
The great McConkey ;)
Robinson
i've didn't get into sports until the end of 2007
Besides a little bit of collins, (and a little jared lorenzen when Eli got hurt) the only qb I’ve seen of the Giants and knew stuff about football is Eli Manning.
So yeah, I haven’t seen Simms live, just highlights on youtube.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
man, Dave Brown
I remember once hearing that he and Drew Bledsoe were the two best young QB’s in the league. Being a kid who really didn’t know much about football at the time, I believed everything I heard, and for like the next 3 years I was convinced that Brown was an awesome QB, despite all evidence to the contrary.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
yeah, i guess I'm lucky for that
I picked a good time to start liking sports.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
is that a slam
against the great Phil McConkey?
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 10, 2009 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, would this be a fair assessment of Phil
Trying to visualize him playing? lol
A poor mans Wes Welker?
you are mistaken my friend
and now you and everyone else whose eyes were tainted by that libel is obligated to understand the greatness of Phil McConkey, in the words of Parcells and Simms, and through his own guts and heroics that played no inconsiderable role in bringing the Lombardi Trophy to New York for the first time ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0AOs1My1Vk
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 10, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions
Nah, no eyes will be tainted
Welker just happened to be someone that popped into my head and at the same time, trying to remember PM’s playing days (long time ago). I was trying to be racially correct with a comparison to someone playing today. Any suggestions?
Though i don’t have any speakers, i remember that bounce off Bavaro and into McConkeys hands TD. I thought Bavaro was going to tote him (PM) around like a football. At least he didn’t spike him! lol
Based on all of your comments, I figured out King's motivation here..
Humor..These are some of the funniest comments I’ve read to date..My gut is splitting.
King is just penalizing players
For having their careers overlapping the ’90’s and ’00’s, like Strahan and Harrison. I’m mean seriously Pete, are you suggesting that if we could have a re-draft, you would take Smith and Ward?
I’m glad your not my GM!
apparently he's a closet Steeler fan.
Maybe he’s in the closet for something else too….
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
Hey is this guy any relation to Stephen King?
He sure seems to be quite the fiction novelist..Hey Steve, give your cousin Pete some advice..His books don’t sell.
On a serious Note
I think they need to think about taking ole Peter’s Hall of Fame vote away, because god knows who he is voting for on his ballot if he puts together a team like this.
When Strahan comes up for the Hall I am wondering if he will get in
by Late for Dinner on Dec 9, 2009 11:41 AM EST reply actions
if its not unanimous for Strah....
you know why.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 9, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Peter King
Why would anyone listen to or print any of Peter King’s opinion about anything in sports? Come on this moron belongs with the jerks on Sunday Night football, self styled elitists who don’t have a clue. Their best bet is for the have Keith, Peter and Dan strictly cover the olympics where all elitists belong.
Keith, by the way,
has always sucked. I don’t think he’d know much of anything if one were to subtract the writers.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
Peter "Pig Man" King
Cannot listen to that guy…or any other non-football guys. That guy on cbs is even worse.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Dec 9, 2009 12:19 PM EST reply actions
total snub
Strahan has arguably been the best DE in the last decade so its a complete insult that he isn’t on that all decade list
by Makaveli8751 on Dec 9, 2009 12:23 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Nah..Why would the idiot pick Strahan?..
Afterall, he is the all time sack leader..and could stuff the run…have to be a fool to add him to your team..Right?
1.
I am actually wearing my Strahan road jersey today. At my job, where we are supposed to wear collared shirts. Snow means all bets are off, right?
2. The 2 defensive ends from my era that come to mind in the Strahan conversation are Bruce Smith (Pro bowl, 1990, 1992-1998) and Reggie White (half his great time was the 80s, though…).
You play to win the game!
yup...
I put Stray behind Reggie and Smith.
there are some very good players that i’ve never watched as well.
Deacon Jones immediately comes to mind.
But i put Stray in top 5 or 6 DE’s EVER.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
one could make a case for youngblood too
i can’t because i never watched him in action but i know he was a heck of a player.
but IMO Stray > Howie Long
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
You can't go wrong with Jones and White
Afterall, they made the 75th anniversary All NFL team, along with Gino Marchetti (an old timer). Bruce Smith and Howie Long were good ones. To throw out a couple more (not comparing) Richard Dent and Chris Doleman maybe?!
Perhaps Gonz has a couple to share? I was wondering about Jim Marshall or Ed Jones, if they were ends (not sure)?
yeah Gonz would probably know more guys...
but to answer your question…I’m pretty sure Marshall was a DE…but he also played with that guy Eller who is also amongst one of the best DE’s ever as well. Again, not according to me b/c i’m too young to have watched these guys play.
I remember though when i was a kid my father used to buy me these old football movies….I really only know Jim Marshall as the guy who recovered the fumble and ran it all the way…into the WRONG end zone! And I think that was in his very last game.
What a way to go out!
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I was just trying to jog my memory of all time DE's
When you mentioned Strahan as a top 5-6 of all time. Even though i loved him, i was thinking he would be up against some serious competition overall. This is probably the case, even though i haven’t looked into it thoroughly!
There're a shitpot full of great DEs other than those mentioned in the above postings.
Off the top of my head:
Dan Hampton
Leo Nomellini
Merlin Olson
‘Willie Davis
Doug Atkins
Elvin Bethea
Let’s not forget a great Giant, either—Andy Robustelli. Not in the same league, but one of my favorite Giants, Fred Dyer also. Very colorful and had a great TV series, HUNTER. Freddy reminds me that there’s big surf, fifty foot waves, hitting Hawaii. Anybody know where you can catch some of the action? Fifty feet! You’ve got to paddle your board at an almost 90 degree angle to position yourself to catch big waves, and that’s the easy part. Those surfers are greatly underappreciated as athletes. You need tremendous reflexes, balance, strength and endurance to succeed. You risk life and limb (and shark attacks) every time you’re out in big surf. Surfers are as crazy as twenty barrles of hammered owl shit. I highly recommend the novels of Kem Nunn to any of you who might want to learn more about the sport.
Not sure
but I recall Merlin Olsen playing tackle with Jones and Grier as DE"s?
That was the Fearsome Foursome
Lundy and Grier were the tackles; Olsen and Deacon Jones were the DEs. Jones and Olsen are HOFers and I think Lundy is as well. Rosey made the All-Time Giants team (a head scratcher for me—I think people confused him with Rosey an OT.) For me, that was the greatest D line of all time, although the Purple People Eaters were no slouches.
Rosey=Rosey Brown, an HOF
OT who spent his whole career with the Giants.
George..for god's sake Ssssssshhhh!
Your giving away our age…
Thanks
for clearing up my memory. Jones was something to watch. I always thought of him as the Jim Brown of defensive ends.
I just looked up Lundy to see if he made HOF
He didn’t, and he wasn’t the other tackle. He was the other DE. Olson played tackle. Still, two HOFers on the same line? Awesome.
Don't forget the Sack Exchange
Gastineau and company. Although, whenever there’s a “fearsome foursome” you have to wonder if the sum of the parts makes them appear better than they actually were individually….
The SE was a great front four.
Loved Klecko
Yeah plus give credit to Gasteneau..Afterall
He invented “Break-Dancing”…
Thanks, but no thanks Gonz
I think i know enough about surfing. The requirements are simple, a board, big waves and the need, to go into the ocean! No thank you. lol
I hear you.
I used to love going out on those rubber rafts when I was a kid on the Jersey shore. I used to “borrow” them, which drove the owners of them nuts. Mostly, I body surfed. My mom had a business on a private beach in Loch Arbour (between Deal and Asbury Park), so I was down there every summer from ages 3-15. Never saw a board in those days. I’m not sure I could have stood on one (or stayed on one) even back then (the thirties.)
These days, I’d never go into the kind of rough surf I used to frolic in as a kid. The very idea gives me locus of the bogus, the jim-jam jimmies and the heebie jeebies .
I'd have a hard time
choosing among Stray and those two, but Aaron Smith? He couldn’t carry Stray’s jock.
yeah,
I can’t see how you leave Stray off of the list. I would really like to know how he came up with this list. Ward over Harrison??? You’ve got to be kidding. Ward is a pretty good WR but has never struck fear in opossing defenses. Can’t remember too many coordinators game planning around Smith and Ward. Stray and Harrison made coordinators lose sleep. How do they not make the list?
according to his twitter
he wants his #2 TE to be able to block. You know, b/c blocking is so important for WR’s. On my all-decade team, I actually chose 3 offensive lineman and switched them to wide receiver.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
King
Opinions are like assholes everyones got one. unfortunately this asshole has an opinion.
by JG131 on Dec 9, 2009 1:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i heard about this on mike and mike in the morning and was shocked
he also chose jamal williams over warren sapp, and included hines ward as one of the receivers. this guy is a joke and an obvious giant-hater
by GiantsReignSupreme on Dec 9, 2009 2:31 PM EST reply actions
Well this just about does it for me
Peter King from SI well well. Now I won’t being getting a subscription to SI. I was just about too, mainly to get a free NFL Giants jacket. But if there are smucks like him working for SI well it just will be a bad read.
Funny
Hey everyone! been on the site for along time, never posted comments before.. good to join you guys.
i noticed how peter king actually apologizes for not having sdtarhan in there and basically says he was the better of the two. his only excuse for not picking strahan was that Aaron Smith “spanned the decade batter” whatever the heck that means!
by Gmen Fan in Gmen Land on Dec 9, 2009 2:59 PM EST reply actions
Peter should have done one of his polls
Your a GM who do you draft first Michael Strahan or Aaron Smith?
Man that sounds silly just reading it, Richard Seymour we could at least have a debate about, Aaron Smith is like me saying Tiki Barber belongs on the list.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 9, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
ALL DECADE TEAMS OMITS STRAHAN
PETER KING SHOULD NOT BE COVERING ANYTHING EXCEPT WATER BALLET.
ITS OKAY TO REACH, BUT THIS WAS RIDICULOUS. NEVER HEARD OF SMITH,
ITS LIKELY THAT THE REST OF HIS SELECTIONS WERE MADE WITHOUT COMMENT
TO INCITE DEBATE. THERE IS NO DEBATE ON THIS, ONE: ITS AN INSULT TO STRAHAN, AND ANY FAN WHO FOLLOWS THE NFL, IT A KISS OFF TO JOE FANS KNOWLEDGE OF THE GAME, BY A WRITER AND SPORT MAGASINE THAT HAS BECOME IRRELEVANT AND WANTS TO DRAW ATTENTION TO ITSELF.
by sudden death overtime on Dec 9, 2009 6:04 PM EST reply actions
Peter Picked him because he sheds blocks and stops the run
That’s it does not sack the QB very much hardly anybody has heard of the guy which says a lot because the Steelers been to two super bowls. The more I read King’s explantion the less it makes since.
PK: He spanned the decade better. Aaron Smith is hurt this season so he played one more season than Strahan in the 2000’s,
The Steelers were the top rated defense 3 times in the last halk of the decade? So What he is a good run stoper on a good defense why is he all decade?
Scary part is King votes for the hall of fame. No wonder Troy Aikman got in.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 9, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
He's also probably the reason why
it took Carson so long to get in.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
It's tough for
an inside LB in a 3-4 to get in. Harry might be the first to have made it.
Thats an interesting point
With the creation of the 3-4 in the late ’40’s, and not knowing fully which HOF’s played in it (partially), i wonder if they do look at them differently? I only know of Carson.
HOF LB’s:
Dick Butkus 1965-1973 Harry Carson 1976-1988 Jack Ham 1971-1982 Willie Lanier 1967-1977 Ted Hendricks 1969-1983 Dave Wilcox 1964-1974 Andre Tippett 1982-1993 Nick Buoniconti 1962-1974, 1976 George Connor (also DT, OT) 1948-1955 Bill George 1952-1966 Joe Schmidt 1953-1965 Sam Huff 1956-1967, 1969 Ray Nitschke 1958-1972 Mike Singletary 1981-1992 Lawrence Taylor 1981-1993 Jack Lambert 1974-1984 Bobby Bell (also DE) 1963-1974 Derrick Thomas 1989-1999
Most were MLBs
If memory serves correctly, it looks like Carson is the only one.
Peter King
Is no one one here aware of the hillarity that is Kissing Suzy Kolber.com Every Monday they rip apart PK’s lofty column. I have included this week’s. The man is a pompous fool who will never say NY is good:
http://kissingsuzykolber.uproxx.com/2009/12/peter-king-still-hearts-derek-jeter.html#more-22100
sure
strahan may have put up much better numbers, but smith’s defensive coordinator said he’s unblockable. i think that pretty much settles the argument right there……(if you could not tell that i was being sarcastic here, please bang your head against the wall 10 times)
I almost thought you were serious
than you had the ellipses…
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
LOL
Bman you should not have said anything and let’s see what kind of comments you would have got.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 10, 2009 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
I think on my All Decade Team
I want Jumbo Elliot as my tackle.
If King thinks its important for his receivers to block, I think its more important for my offensive linesman to be able to catch.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
Jumbo is not in the 2000's
I Loved Jumbo and the Big dog too
by Late for Dinner on Dec 10, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Last year was in 2000, 2002
so technically I’m right.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
You know whats funny
Elliot was considered the biggest offensive lineman at one time in his career. I think he was around 6-7, 305?! Nowadays, thats pretty average!
Peter King?
Who is this guy? Never heard of him. Just one person’s opinion, want to think what I think of him? a big BLANK.
Jumbo was the best
LT the Giants have had in the past thirty years, maybe more.
I agree George...and I'll never forget Parcell's plot..
He took LT aside and told him to harass Eliott in practice prior to the SB game..Well LT got Jumbo so mad he started punching him, Parcells stopped the skirmish..He shouted: “Hey, Jumbo, what the hell’s the matter?..Your going up against Bruce Smith and you can’t handle a linebacker!!?”..Bruce Smith could do absolutely NOTHING in the game..Jumbo was all over him like flies on a turd..
u might not be a giants fan but it is hard not to have strahan on any team he was totally disruptive throughout his career and there is not any defensive ends in his time of playing that did what he did for as long as he did to me this is not an argument at all.
Yeah and he stopped the run pretty good too
by Late for Dinner on Dec 10, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Personally, i think thats where a certain line has to be drawn
When comparing or looking at DE’s. IMO, what seperates the great HOF-types to the ones that are considered good, is that the greats could stop the run and rush the passer equally. They aren’t one dimensional! The game today has evolved into being more specialized with individuals. The league as a whole has their 2-down DL/LB’s, then comes in the specialized individuals with their pass defense skills.
If i could, i would clone the likes of White, Smith or Strahan and have my bookends solved.
One last Strahan stat
Not sure if anybody has brought this up, but forgive me for beating a dead horse.
Strahan sacked the QB 52 time in 3 season’s, (2000,2001 & 2002) Aaron one dimensional Smith has 44 Sacks his WHOLE ENTIRE CAREER.
This is mind boggling that King is considered an expert and votes for the Hall of fame.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 10, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Your forgiven, beat this horse some more lol
That’s my point about some players! Smith may be a fine 3-4 DE, but HOW, can someone overlook the accomplishments that Strahan has accumulated? Both players can stand up to the point of attack, but another has better pass rushing ability… Strahan!!!?
So i really don’t get Peter King at all, except he is exceptionally freakin’ stupid! Oooo, Aaron Smith is stout against the run, but CAN, occassionally rush the passer! Strahan did that equally well period!
Ok.....bottom line.....is Strahan universally considered a HOF? Uhh yes.
Is Aaron Smith?….uhh no! case closed. there is no argument here.
by giantsNYrangers on Dec 10, 2009 12:34 PM EST reply actions
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