New York Giants notes: Which are the real Giants?
by Ed Valentine on Dec 8, 2009 7:31 AM EST
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PrintNew York Daily News columnist Gary Myers is wondering which Giants team will show up Sunday against Philadelphia. The one that looked confused and largely disinterested while losing five of six. Or, the one that played passionate, opportunistic football while saving its season Sunday against Dallas.
The Giants have to prove that the team that had lost five of the last six games has been put out with the trash. Are they one-weekend wonders? Can they prevent the Eagles from signing the locker room wall in their last visit to Giants Stadium?
It really makes you wonder where this team had been since starting the season 5-0. The intensity just wasn't there. They didn't look all that interested. They weren't playing physical, which has always been their trademark.
"I was on the sideline saying, 'This is our style of football. This is what we do,'" Tuck said. "Why does it come and go? I don't know yet. I wish I did. Hopefully we can find a way to just bottle this up and realize the talent we have on this team and what we are capable of doing."
Myers is right, of course. If the Giants can repeat Sunday's effort against Dallas and defeat the Eagles, 10 wins and a playoff berth are realistic. If they can't they are right back to staring at the probability of their first playoff-less season since 2004.
From NJ.com:
An MRI Monday revealed no significant damage, just normal "wear and tear," to the joint, according to someone informed of Snee's injury status. The person, who requested anonymity because the Giants haven't provided any information on the injury yet, said Snee should be able to play on Sunday night against the Eagles in what will be another critical divisional game for the Giants.
DeSean Jackson expects to play
Pro Football Talk reports that the Philadelphia wide receiver, who missed last week's game against Atlanta with a concussion, expects to be in the lineup Sunday against the Giants.
The National Football Post's highly-respected columnist Michael Lombardi really likes the way the Washington Redskins have played the past few weeks.
…I know the ‘Skins are 3-9, but they’ve played hard the last three weeks and are actually a better team without running back Clinton Portis. I strongly doubt Portis will return this year, or next year for that matter. The ‘Skins have discovered some new, talented skill players in wide receiver Devin Thomas and tight end Fred Davis, who make their offense more effective.
…The ‘Skins just might beat the Giants and Cowboys in the next few weeks, and that’s why I like the Eagles to win the NFC East. The ‘Skins will decide the division winner.
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The Giants are among several talented teams...
…that are struggling this year to assert themselves. Along with the Steelers, Ravens, Titans, and Falcons, to name a few, we are never quite sure which team is going to show up on Sunday.
I suppose this is good for the league though, this enchanced competition. That having been said, there’s more parity this year than in recent times, with two undefeated teams going into week 14 and about five really lousy ones. Still, there’s plenty of reason to tune in on Sundays given the way that the middle of the pack has been playing…
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 8, 2009 7:51 AM EST reply actions
Vick will make plays
and mistakes as well.
New starters on D will deliver again and Osi will come up big with a sack or two ( he is one of the few that can catch McNabb or Vick)
Giants will run the ball better but have trouble scoring. Special teams or the D will get one score.
The Giants will hang on 20-17 and make the playoffs by winning 2 of the last 3.
I hope the Giants players realize this...
but this Philly game is even bigger than the Cowboys game.
After the Packers won yesterday, they look like they got a good shot at having at least 10 wins. They play Chicago, Pitt, Seattle and Arizona. I know I see 2 wins in there.
SO the Giants are gonna have to keep pace. That means this Eagles game, is the season again, probably more so now cuz the Pack look like they’re gonna have the top wildcard spot (I could see them going 12-4…then again, Baltimore is nothing to sneeze at and Chicago can find their balls ever now and then, so can Seattle).
But we gotta beat these guys. I don’t think we can get any more ‘luck’ the rest of the way if we don’t, as in I don’t think the Eagles or Packers are gonna have less than 10 wins.
"It ain't over till its over"---
that's a tough but true analysis
it looks like the Giants will have to win out.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 8, 2009 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
good point about GB
but Dallas also had a very tough schedule…if the giants can win out I could see it being Philly or Giants getting a WC as well as GB.
Dallas could miss the playoffs all together if they have another let down…they have some serious comp in the next 4 weeks.
regardless, we have to control our own destiny and it starts on Sunday night vs. the eagles.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Oh yea...
I dunno why I forgot about them….or even assumed they were a lock for the Playoffs. I completely lost track of the division.
Yea, they’ll be fighting too this week.
Its funny that all the talk is of their December ‘slump’…yet, look at who they play in December.
I think its great. Dallas could very well end up a 9-7 record when all is said and done, pretty much means the Giants gotta match that cuz they hold the tie-breakers against Dallas and ATL
Gotta route for Chicago and SD anyway this week. Id rather the Packers get a loss and make it a bit easier on the Giants.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Redskins
I know they’ve been playing well, they now are a tough team and they DO worry me, but don’t you actually have to win games to decide the outcome of the division? Moral victories are great, but at some point you have to finish a game.
no doubt.
I mean, yes, absolutely they are a tough team and have a real tough defense.
But they’ve been consistent in finding ways to lose. Look at how they lost against Dallas and NO.
Yes, they are scary and going against that defense will be a tough test. Also, given the fact the Giants have owned them, is another reason to be scared (kinda like how Philly should be scared this week :)….)
"It ain't over till its over"---
I had Dallas and Philly..
On my must win list, but after watching the Skins the past few games, I have added them to it..We can’t afford to let them finallt break through and win against us..They are almost there..I am not worried about Carolina, but I am hoping the Vikings don’t play themselves into the position where they’ll have to play all their starters against us..If we can do that we are in the Tournament.
As any division game always is...
the Redskins will be tough.
Everyone here on out is a must win…cuz they gotta keep pace.
But c’mon man……
If they were winning, it’d be a different story.
They played similar game against the Rams, Tampa, Carolina, Philly and KC.
They can hold teams…but they just can’t score enough. They can get a go ahead score…but they can’t hold the lead.
They’re a bad team. The defense is tough and probably better and more talented than the Giants….yet, they fold at the wrong time.
"It ain't over till its over"---
to me it's almost a coin flip
First of all, the Giants need their best game of the season in 5 days or it doesn’t even matter. But if they don’t put up an inspired performance against Washington, they will lose and I have a few reasons why. First, it would be rare to sweep a div. foe twice in a row. The game is in Washington. The Skins are playing their best ball of the season. They want to win div. games bad. Could be a letdown if the Giants can beat Philly. Finally, it’s just damn hard to win 3 div. games in 3 weeks.
Hope I’m wrong as usual!
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 8, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Throw the Redskins record out when they play us
This is an NFC East game! The Redskins know us well and will be out to get us. Fact is we have to beat them. No need to fear them just have a healthy respect for what they can do,
by Late for Dinner on Dec 8, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Vikings pretty much....
have the #2 seed wrapped up. They’re 2 games behind Saints. The Saints have an easy remaining schedule. Arizona should be 11-4 going into the final game vs GB.
My guess. Come week 17 the Giants game will be meaningless for Vikings.
I can so see us...
…beating the Eagles and losing to the Redskins. Sigh.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
It's hard to tell the real Giants
So assuming the offense can still generate points moving forward, it was during their losing streak that the defense looked the same. Same players doing the same scheme etc. I could also throw the ST’s in there too!
But against the Cowboys, there were promotions and demotions, plus, there were a lot players that played. Though the D did give up the passing yards, overall, they looked different, in a positive way. Now if the D can show these similarities moving ahead, it will be interesting!
Plus, the ST’s finally broke out with a big play, which is something to build on.
I don't want to hear jack shyt about the Redskins
That ckoke job on Sunday was unacceptable. Where was the moral victory in that? All that I saw lase Sunday was a team that played 3/4 of a game then showed it’s true colors and butt puckered when it came time to step up and seal the deal. A typical performance of a bad team if you ask me. Give the Saints credit, but the Redskins handed them that game on a platter. Now, how the eff do you extrapolate that the Redskins are gong to give the Giants or anyone else trouble after that pitiful performance?
If Tynes had done that
There would be no one on this blog because all of our heads would have exploded.
'Skins cut Suisham and signed Gano today...
…there goes our back-up plan for Tynes.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 8, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
seriously, fellas....
you’ve gotta be insane to just go through the schedule and chalk up wins vs. the ‘skins and panthers. with our defense, not only can they beat us, they’re capable of completely BLOWING US OUT, as are a lot of bad teams.
make fun of the ‘skins all you want, but at least they weren’t utterly embarrassed like the g-men and eagles were. i’m certainly not taking that game for granted.
I dunno what the whole story was against the Eagles...
but I also know that the Giants played them in that Dome.
They beat the hell out of everybody in that Dome.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 8, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
yup.
and couldn’t it just be said that the Redskins exposed something?
I didn’t see the game, but I mean they were doing something right against the Saints, as in stop the run?
They also seemed to limit the big play, only one in the first quarter, and held em to FG’s pretty much (aside from the fluke INT, fumble recovery TD)
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 8, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
They exposed the Saints weak Secondary
The saints are very banged up on Defense especially in their secondary.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 8, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
Get the Saints outdoors
Just get them out of that building and they are a different team. My .02.
too bad that's pretty much out the window......
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 8, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
true
i wasn’t paying a ton of attention to that game, but saints seemed to have issues defending the dink-and-dunk we’ve come to know and love from the skins offense. a microcosm of the skins scoring drives:
Washington – 5:28
J. Campbell passed to F. Davis to the right for 9 yard gain
J. Campbell passed to S. Moss to the left for 6 yard gain
J. Campbell passed to S. Moss to the left for 8 yard gain
J. Campbell incomplete pass down the middle
J. Campbell passed to S. Moss to the right for 38 yard gain
J. Campbell passed to M. Kelly down the middle for 6 yard gain
J. Campbell passed to S. Moss to the left for 6 yard gain
J. Campbell incomplete pass to the right
J. Campbell passed to D. Thomas down the middle for 5 yard touchdown. S. Suisham made PAT
unfortunately, they got out of that a little bit in the 2nd half when zorn started getting obsessed with using more clock. even so, for all intensive purposes, the skins beat them – which is encouraging.
That’s a further indictment of the coaching staff’s early decisions. We helped ourselves along in that 6 week funk because that’s what we got away from. We tried to hard to be something we’re not and not built for.
yup.
Seems like the recipe would be slants to Ham and Swiss, then maybe hit up one of them or Nicks down the sideline?
I’m fairly certain the Giants could’ve run all day on them too.
I’m also pretty sure that the Saints won’t score on every single possession like the did last time.
We gotta get there tho…so I’m done on this. I think its pretty obvious what went wrong, what’s not happening again and what the Giants need to do in order to beat them.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 8, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah their run defense is not very strong, problem is everyone gets away from the run because they go down big. If our team from last year played them I think we could’ve beaten them
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 8, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Noboby takes any team for granted
Any team is capable of blowing any team out. I do say that if the Giants play Giants football, they are not losing to the Chokeskins. I’d rather lose 44-27 and know I lost to a better team, than to have a team beaten and fall apart in what was an obvious and unforgettable choke job. No shame in that game. Just ask New England. There are no excuses or justfication for what happened Sunday. If the Giants had done that we Giant fans would be up in arms. Tynes would have been ridden out of town and TC would not be able to show his face in public. Yes, the Giants need to prepare for the Chokeskins just like any other team, but they are by no means any dangerous than any other team.
you make a good point...
no one should be looking ahead.
i remember after the ATL game a lot of folks in here thought Denver would be a cake walk. People thought the giants would throw some quick points on the board and cruise to victory while Denver imploded. Mean while, we got flat out embarrassed.
I don’t think we’re necessarily “chalking up” wins…I think it’s just wishful thinking. Giants fans haven’t’ had much to cheer about lately… but just because it stopped raining doesn’t mean that more storm clouds aren’t rolling in.
Ultimately, it really doesn’t matter what we say as fans…we can say they’ll lose every game from here on out, or win every game from here on out. I am superstitious, but i don’t see the giants playing any better/worse by what we say or think.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
as I recall
the Denver game wasn’t a “must win” . A lot of people thought it wouldn’t have mattered if we lost to them. I still thought we would win, but that’s then.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
yeah...i also thought they'd win.
i wasn’t pointing the finger at anyone…it’s just human nature.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I was one who didn't think they'd win that game.
Too many outside circumstances, reason 1 being the travel and location of the game.
I expected a better effort, but I expected a loss.
"It ain't over till its over"---
None of us play football
So we don’t know what it’s like to have 3 days to get ready to play right after a tough game on Sunday. Yes, the Broncos had to play too, but they were already home. I’d bet that Denver game would have had a different result if the Giants were the home team. When you fly in a pressurized airplane on long flights, it really takes a toll on your muscles and those guys were probably still sore from the previous game. Many of them have to sit in vats of ice water days before the next game. They did not get a chance to do that for the Denver game. On top of that flying to Denver and that elevation probably did not help either. Not to make excuses or anything, but I could see most any team having to do what the Giants did that week being flat. I also think Mara waited way too long to voice a complaint about that game. He should have said something when the schedule came out, not 1 week before the game.
don't forget the breathing thing.
Physiologically impossible to be able to breathe like normal in only one day in the thin air.
Anyone can write that off if they want…but if they do, they must never have taken/payed attention to physiology class.
It takes time. You can’t be 100% up there if you don’t acclimate to the air and conditions.
Maybe walking around OK…but running and playing FB??? Hellz no, no chance.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Win out
and we win the division.
Lose to the Eagles and we need to win the oher 3 and hope Atlanta does not win out – they play NO this week so we will know very quickly – and Dallas loses two more games – again if they lose to the Chargers and they have the Saints and Eagles to play sfter that..
So a good weekend is the Giants and Chargers winning.
A mixed weekend is the Giants losing as well as the Cowboys and Falcons losing
A bad weekend is the Giants losing and the Cowboys and Falcons winning.
Although it is only one week out of 16 we can be top or two behind with three to play!
by G Fan in England on Dec 8, 2009 9:09 AM EST reply actions
Division Title?
And who would have thought that before the Dallas game that a win next weekend could well see us sitting back at the top of the NFC East!
A massive win against the Eagles could be crucial as with Green Bay winning last night they look like having a great shot at the 1st Wildcard, so looks like a division winner plus one wildcard to come out of the East – conceivably though with Dallas’ remaining schedule 9-7 could push us in – but losing to the Eagles this weekend could leave us having to go back there in the 1st round of the playoffs…not something I think any of us would fancy – much rather a division title and a home playoff game!
I am happy to see alot of our fans..
Jumping back on the bandwagon..I respect what Myers has to say, but boy it is much better to read what he says then to listen to him live..He always looks like he is talking and trying to squeeze out a dump at the same time..Whew
Bobbi
Winning cures all problems!
I am not jumping on the bandwagon yet but I may do if the results go the right way this weekend.
The key factor is improved team play by the Giants. They keep it up we have a chance and at least we will be happy if they go down fighting.
by G Fan in England on Dec 8, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Run D
If our Run Defense can stay as stout as it was on Sunday then we have a very good chance to win the majority of these last 4 games. I think the D is going to remember giving up that Weaver TD in the last game against the Eagles. I don’t see that happening again. Everyone knows that Andy Reid will abandon the run faster than anyone, and that will be to our advantage. The secondary did get torched by Mcnabb last game but I really think they are much improved, despite letting Romo pile on the yards through the air. I’m really concerned with #23 though. Webster looked highly suspect on Sunday giving up 3 TD’s and letting Roy Williams own him. He needs to do some soul searching or something.
LET'S GO G-MEN
Its funny you say that about the run D.
I tuned into ESPN (I know…they’re fools) before the Packers -Ravens, and they were ‘dissecting’ the Giants game.
They ripped on the Cowboys for running as little as they did, citing the “blueprint” the Broncos showed.
Do these people watch the games? The Cowboys couldn’t run cuz the Giants BALLED the FK OUT on the Run Defense.
I think the same plan needs to be in place against the Eagles, even if they don’t run even as much as the Cowboys supposedly do.
Stop the run, prevent the big play.
I don’t care if McNabb throws for 500 yards, as long as it ends up in FG’s and/or limit the TD’s.
Hold them under 24 points. I think the Giants can put up more than that against their defense, even tho their D seems to play balls to the wall against the Giants.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 8, 2009 10:24 AM EST up reply actions
Preventing the big play is key!
How many times have they ripped us in recent times for huge chunks of yardage, be in Westbrook zipping by AP in coverage, Jackson over the top, or (god help us all) Weaver straight up the gut. We have been giving up too much too easily to Philly. This cannot happen if we are to have a chance to win on Sunday!
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 8, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
oh yeah, and it wouldn't hurt if our guys...
…stepped up and made some big plays of their own, too.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 8, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Same gameplan...
…should beat the eagles. Bend but don’t break. Stop their run, protect the ball, get them turnovers, make big plays on O, and keep the O-LINE on track! McNabb is likely to put up week 13 Romo-type #s but we should win this game. C-Web should not have as much trouble this week and I see Ross with a pick and Rouse or Brown with a huge hit on McCoy to pop one loose.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Dec 8, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Love it...
One win and all the confidence and optimism returns! We even now have hopes of Rouse or Brown forcing turnovers! Fantastic! Fair play they both had a real good game against the Cowgirls but maybe we shouldn’t get too carried away!
Looking forward to seeing more of Goff, Sintim and Boley operate as a group though especially if the D-Line and especially Cofield and the DTs can play as they did on Sunday…
well
if “making big plays on O”, such as the 70+ yard punt return and 70+ catch by jacobs, were missing from the previous game plans, then i guess you’re right — we’ve found the end-all solution!
sorry for sounding negative / overly sarcastic, but we’re going to need some luck in this one too.
meh...
recheck the number of F ups the Giants had…..there were lots of plays to be made they left out there.
If Eli steps into a few throws and/or Smith holds onto a few more….game could’ve been a blowout, even sans “luck” like the punt return and the Jacobs run.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 8, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
They don't have to so much hope for big plays like that
as much as execute when they are wide gaping open for the taking.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 8, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I think the Giants stole a game on Sunday- outgained by a team dominating time of possession, they won by making big plays.
They have come a long way in the passing game but Eli’s injury still takes a toll and Manningham is still a small fast receiver who cannot make plays when tightly covered.
They will need sacks and turnovers against the Eagles to win and these young, fresh and, hopefully, enthusiastic players now playing have the ability to make them, I hope. I agree that if they are to make the playoffs the rookies and free agents must come through as they did in 2007. Nicks, Sintim, Boley, Canty must produce and Goff must have another good game. Robbins, Clark, Pierce and Webster were and are not getting it done so some new folks must step up. Here’e hoping.
Yes Boyce..
But in this game TOP was a little decieving because Dallas racked up most of that in the 1st qtr and half of the second..but your right, it took two big plays to ice it, however that swing to BJ was perfect..and we finally broke a return on special teams..the rest of the offense was pretty shoddy..I hope the same defense shows up against the Eagles this week..I loved the way our guys mixed it up..and they played with agressive passion..benn waiting all year for that game out of our defense.
Random Chaos D
Yes finally defense stepped up and played and at least some of that credit this week has go to BS – although finally good to see the players actually putting themselves on the line and making things happen…
And how about running that look where we had linemen, LBs and DBs just stood up hanging around the O-Line before the ball was snapped as that really does leave the Offense guessing as to who’s blitzing and from where – I know it’s not going to work all the time but I think we ran it twice and it seemed to go pretty well…might have led to the Rouse sack if I remember correctly? I know it’s not something that will work all the time but a few times a game on 2nd/3rd and long wouldn’t hurt would it? Was also something Denver did effectively against us so maybe we have them to thank in a small way for our defensive improvement?
Yup
The “amoeba” defense has been going around the league, it just took Sheridan and the Giants till Sunday to put it in there.
Many teams go with that to varing degrees of success.
You’d think they use it more to disguise the blitz? Wishful thinking probably…but could be an answer to get off the field on more 3rd downs too.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 8, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
3rd Down
And with the problems our D had getting off the field on 3rd down you’ve got to hope that they at least give it a shot early on Sunday as if we can’t get off the field when we have the opportunities in that one then we really could struggle – especially if our defense gets gassed it could open up more opportunities for big plays for the seagulls as the game goes on…
yup.
I am still baffled at why the use the DE’s in coverage (tho…Tollefson may work…) and used this Amoeba twice the whole year, starting Sunday.
Getting off the field on 3rd down was their ONLY problem. THE ONLY problem.
That’s what they need to work out. It just can’t be as simple as providing a different look, can’t it?
Or…maybe they’re just saving it for when it really matters?…like NOW?
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 8, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed -
let’s just hope BS didn’t get too excited when Tollefson actually made the big stop when dropping back into coverage though or we could continue to see more of it – not what we need! I swear at some point we had a DT chasing Witten or one of the wideouts off the line as well – now let’s hope that’s not the latest ‘wrinkle’ in Sheridan’s schemes!
Just a new look needed to get us off the field on 3rd downs? Let’s hope that’s all it is and that we’ve started to find the answers!
Its kinda sad I guess...
that we all had the answers…“Don’t do it” is pretty much the answer to the DL dropping in coverage.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 8, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions
Well..
You are right Free..a defensive lineman needs to be pushing the O-line and pressuring..Just because Dallas had Canty in coverage doesn’t make it a good idea..When did they last get to the big game?..That is probably one reason why they didn’t..
Exactly Jonah..
Send them in and out and all over the place..We also need to do more of that waiting for the offense to show what they intend to do then break out into our schemes..A defense needs to screw the offenses heads all up..Show them this and then give them that..That is how it works..and we need to find that one player who reads and reacts on his own, just like LT used to do..He was freed up to do anything he wanted to do..Drove the opposition nuts.
You play football with the team you got!
I was on my way to work and I read Steve Serby’s article in the post today and boy did it pump me up. I know we are all worried about the Giants and will they or won’t they show up Sunday. But I say stop worrying and start believing and let me explain why.
These are the last four games of the season, all of this. who are the real giants can we win, can our defense do it again is dithering! The fact is the Phildelphia Eagles stand in our way of making the playoffs, it’s time to finish strong. We all know after the 07 Season it’s not how you start it’s how you finish and NFL campaign. If we beat phlly we might just have knocked them out of the playoffs. Yeah I said it think about it, how sweet it would be to pay back the Eagles for all the Crow they have been making us eat lately. The same hate the Giants have for the Cowboys they must have for the Eagles! They ended our season early last year; they totally disrespected us and blew us out at the Linc. And now they are coming into Giants Stadium we need to pay them back big time.
The Cowboy game was the shot in the arm we needed, now nothing that has happened to us this season matters! We have already done the hard part of our schedule, Dallas and Philly still have some more mountains to climb. We need to Finish the job, Finish Philly and earn our spot in the playoffs.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 8, 2009 11:23 AM EST reply actions
Red Zone Pass Defense
The Giant defenders look like they cannot defend against a tall receiver in the end zone. A wild suggestion. When the Giants are defending in the red zone, can we use Hicks as a safety or corner back? He is tall, fast, and can wrestle the ball with the best. I know it is a strange suggestion, but we need some help
Might as well put Canty in as a safety...
He’s 6"7 right?
This would not help, not at all.
Besides, the Giants problem in the secondary is not size, they’re actually pretty damn big as a secondary.
The problem is guys being out of position on these RZ plays. Something that putting a WR (whether you mean Hixon or Nicks….doesn’t matter) who doesn’t have much of a clue on how to play D, is not gonna help much).
Also gotta credit perfect throws too.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 8, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah and
not only are the CB’s out of position but the safeties have been biting hard on play action and/or pump fakes in the redzone.
LET'S GO G-MEN
by I_Formation27 on Dec 8, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
yup.
I think they need to try and dictate the play on their own.
CC brown is always out of position there…so blitz him (why not?).
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 8, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
That's what they wanted him to do before KP went down..He's a tackler and a blitzer
Not a coverage player..We all know that..So I agree with Free send him in on blitzes..We need to hammer McNabb early and often..and I hope Sheridan shows that same set of schemes used against Dallas..that was the first time all year I saw “our” style of defense..Hit’em..bury the run and harrass the QB.
also did you notice
several effective throws from the I-Form? You’re welcome, Kevin Gilbride, for the advice.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 8, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
put in Manute Bol
We will never give up another touchdown
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 8, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
Certain Teams
only put their tallest receivers in at Safety when the situation calls for it like when it is 4th and DEEP and the opposing QB will have to throw a bomb into the inzone just to have a chance. This is not a smart plan of action otherwise.
LET'S GO G-MEN
by I_Formation27 on Dec 8, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
It could easily be
that we need a tie breaker at the end of the season. If the eagles leapfrog the cowboys we could be against them for the WC, so that was a big win…. This eagles game is huge!
same goes for this week
not only can we not afford to hand a tiebreaker over to philly, but we cannot afford to lose another conference game — if we end up tied with GB and they don’t drop another NFC game, we lose the tiebreaker for the WC to them too. with the GB win last night, this game becomes CRITICAL.
you'd think the Giants would realize
that they aren’t the only ones that can’t figure out how to cover a TE (looking at YOU Philly…)
Give em a taste of their own medicine? Show em who the real BOSS is?
"It ain't over till its over"---
The run and the big plays
we won while letting Witten have a near career day.
We can handle the short stuff. Don’t give up the big plays which make everyone worry and play worst.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
yea.I
I’d be Ok with Celek getting his.
I don’t think he’ll have a Witten type day either.
Just keep em in check, get bend and don’t break. No big plays, limit the TD’s (hold em to FG’s).
And someone on offense step up and make a DAMN PLAY!.
"It ain't over till its over"---
And lets hope someone channels their inner Pierce
when Vick’s on the field.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP-heEjAXl0
(but without the penalty)
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
Not just us
GB killed Ravens with their TE yesterday. TEs are a potent weapon, but they have to be able to get some release from the blocking role which is difficult when the pass rush that teams seem to be operating is so effective. The Giants are getting some of their own medicine this year. They have had a pretty awesome pass rush over the last few years and other teams have really improved their game in this area. I think that Killdrive doesn’t know how to use Boss to the best advantage yet.
He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.
Jonah19
Optimism, DAMN STRAIGHT!!! Confindence, some. WTF! Every week is like a new season. Rouse and Brown are who we got. I’m not calling for them to cover Philly’s wideouts, though that would be nice, but to lay a hit and force a turnover. Its one thing Brown CAN DO! And Rouse has been steadily improving. F’ yea I’m calling for them to make a play! Its who we got! Now I’m fired up.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Dec 8, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply actions
Easy tiger ...
or your are going to be all burned out by gametime
He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.
Already there...
….this season is aging me faster than most.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Dec 8, 2009 4:09 PM EST reply actions
Why is it that the Giants dont use K.Boss the way the Cowboys use Whitten?
Now granted Boss is no Whitten but he is a damn good pass catching TE and he has proved that over and over. Boss was lights out in the ATL game and they didnt use him at all in Denver and I realize Giants couldnt do anything in that game but still. Boss is a legitimit weapon that doesnt get utilized nearly as much as he should. The kid has amazing hands and can run. If the Giants are to beat the eagles on sunday they will need to get creative in their playcalling. We cannot afford to be vanilla on offense. KB will need to mix it up and keep that D off balance. And our D will really need to show up too. I dont know……big game boys………big game.
They use him to block a lot.
Especially vs a team like dallas that likes to blitz a lot.
They used him a lot i Atlanta because their pass rush is virtually nonexistant.
Its not like Gilbride doesn’t have a reason he does things. I may disagree with it, but he isn’t an idiot.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
Well the Eagles blitz every other play so I guess we shouldnt expect to see alot of Boss
again but we should. Philly has really good corners and it will be a challenge for our recievers which should open things up for K. Boss……….dont you think?
by giantsNYrangers on Dec 8, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions
of course we all think like that...
its just something that Gilbride and Coughlin refuse to do.
I have no doubts that if Boss was on another team, or on the Giants with a coach that calls plays for the TE (re: Fassel), Boss would be right up there with Celek and Witten as far as receptions.
They just won’t do it.
Our course it would make sense to slip Boss out right over the middle and let Eli dump it off to him.
They’d rather him stay in to block to give Eli the extra second or 2 to throw to Smith or HAM.
Its OK when it works…yet it doesn’t make any sense to not use this guy more.
He’s a gigantic target with great hands. Probably not the best route runner and not exactly quick….but you just gotta use him more.
I really think it would help Eli out if they merely called a play or 3 for Boss
"It ain't over till its over"---
Agreed..but remember KB is hurting..
As tough as he is, he has been battered and beaten all year..I say preserve him for the Super Bowl..I would like to at least see them go to him more than they have..Against the Cowboys he was held in to block..and the one gripe about my man is he can’t block..okay run-blocker…lousy pass-blocker..but he’ll learn..I think he is as good as Witten..both are pure workhorses…and we will need him down the stretch run I’d be surprised if they don’t use him more against the Eagles…So long as they don’t over do it..Gotta keep him healthy.
that was just a bad game
Boss is one of the, if not the best run blocking tightends. So-so pass blocking, but superb on run blocking.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
Alot of folks talk about our December problems..
But I only care about our record when we reach the tournament..Yes we got knocked out early last year, but we have been pretty damn tough in the playoffs..I don’t think there are many teams looking forward to playing us from here on out. I mentioned to you guys a few weeks back that our guys have a shot at winning the division..Dallas is not going to beat the Chargers and Saints..The Eagles face the 49-ers, Denver and Dallas..The way they are playing they might get past the niners..but I doubt they’ll beat Denver and Dallas..So there you have it..Unless our guys fall apart completely(the team glue is finally hardening) I foresee a good chance of surprising all the critics and perhaps taking the division title.
against the Eagles
what bothered me the most about Sundays win over Dallas was the the Giants inability to hold on 3rd down. all day long it was 3rd and 5 they give up 6 yds, 3rd and 14 they give up 18 yds. The Eagles have not played exceptionally well of late, but this type of dink and dunk plays right into their hands. Unless the Giants can get a strong pass rush , we’re in trouble.
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