Big Blue View: An SB Nation Community

Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: SB Nation MMA Rankings for August 2010

New York Giants notes: Bill Sheridan, master motivator

You know all that stuff we have been saying about New York Giants defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan not knowing how to motivate his troops? Forget it. At least for one week, anyway.

Check this out.

The Giants' embattled defensive coordinator, Bill Sheridan, tore a page from a 1,500-year-old script to try to inspire his beleaguered unit on the eve of the most important game of the season.

"Coach Sheridan read us an excerpt from the speech that Leonidas delivered to the troops before they went out (to battle)," said Giants nose tackle Barry Cofield. "It was eerie how much it applied to our situation and it was very inspirational."

Giants-Cowboys isn't exactly the Battle of Thermopylae, and Tony Romo isn't quite Xerxes, but desperate times calls for inspiration from an ancient Greek source. And if reading excerpts of a speech that King Leonidas delivered to the 300 Spartans under his command before they faced a Persian force of 80,000 is what it takes, then so be it.

"It was inspirational, to say the least," Cofield said. "(Sheridan) always pulls little things out like that but this was the best one ever."

This news, of course, sent me scurrying around the Inter-Google for Leonidas quotes. I have no idea what exact passage Sheridan read, but these are some of my favorites.

  • "This is where we fight! This is where they die!"
  • "The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant, that few stood against many, and before this battle was over, that even a god-king can bleed."
  • "We Spartans have descended from Hercules himself. Taught never to retreat, never to surrender. Taught that death in the battlefield is the greatest glory he could achieve in his life."

OK, now I'm all pumped up. How about you?

Star-divide

Here are a few other Giants notes making the rounds this morning.

Brandon Jacobs turns game into win for Giants, but calls his leadership 'terrible'

"I think my ability to lead this team has been absolutely terrible. I have to pick myself up as the leader of this football team and take more responsibility on myself," Jacobs said following Big Blue's 31-24 victory over the Cowboys. "Vocally I felt like I wasn't where I was supposed to be, and guys weren't responding to me because I wasn't really trying that hard.

"I came into today's game, into this week, being more of a vocal leader and getting guys up on the offense and the defense ... the first half I did my best to keep our defense and our offense in it even though we were down 10-0. And we all came back."

Osi Umenyiora: 'Extremely painful' to not start in game against Cowboys

"It hurt for a little while," Umenyiora said in his first comments since his benching was publicly announced on Friday. "It was extremely painful, to be honest with you, because I am a man with tremendous pride."

Umenyiora said he is fine with staying in his current role and will do whatever the Giants want him to do. He also credited (ex-Giant Lavar) Arrington, who retired after barely surviving a motorcycle accident in 2007, with lifting his spirits on the morning of the game. "I realized I'm alive, I'm making a great living and I get to still go out there and play football," Umenyiora said. "Whatever they want me to do, I am going to go out there and do. I have no quarrels with anybody. Something obviously needed to be done. They made the change and we won the game. If we keep making changes like that and winning games every week, I'm 100% for it."

Tiki Barber greeted with boos, cheers from crowd at Giants game

"Whatever it is, it's appropriate," Barber said before walking out onto the field. "It's how the fans feel. I have been booed mercilessly in this stadium before. But also cheered heroically. I have appreciated both, because the fans always expected good from me."

(E-mail Ed at bigblueview@gmail.com)

0 recs  |  Comment 117 comments |

Story-email Email Printer Print

Comments

Display:

Ok...

I uh….think Bill Sheridan is the MAN right now.

THIS! IS SPARTA!!!!!!!!!!

**then kicks a carboard cutout of Wade Phillips down the stairs.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 7, 2009 11:04 AM EST reply actions  

Sure

He’s the man … this week. LOL!!

by Ed Valentine on Dec 7, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

HA-OOH! HA-OOH! HA-OOH!

I am hoping the worm has turned for BS!

by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

Side note

I kind of enjoyed Tiki getting booed, I have yet to forgive him for trying to kick Eli when he was down. Seems like justice that his TV career is headed down the drain and nobody misses his butt at Giants stadium.

by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

his attitude?

No. Tiki was probable a little too smart and outspoken for his own good as a RB, when he played and of course off the field now.

…but you can’t tell me that a back with his skill set would not be great for the Giants right now.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 7, 2009 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Tiki has a T.O. factor to him

As much as it would be great to have his skills on this team, he seemed to me to be a lockeroom cancer. No doubt he is a very inteligent person, but his arrogance turned a lot of people off.

by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed,

and considering how dismal his supposedly years-in-the-making and well-thought-out second career seems to be heading, maybe not as intelligent as you might think. He has turned himself into a laughing stock.

by blue gonz on Dec 7, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm pumped up....

and still worried as can be…

we got a well needed W…we’ll need more.

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Dec 7, 2009 11:20 AM EST reply actions  

You would think

that being in a must-win situation with backs to the wall would be all the motivation required. But apparently not. The Spirit of Sparta grandly relayed by Sheridan saves the day!!!

by Jolly on Dec 7, 2009 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

I still think it was a weird reference?

All 300 Spartans died! How do you win when you motivate your troops to their imminent death?

by Hootman on Dec 7, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Am I the only one..

who thought that 300 was terrible? They talk about all this free men b.s. and in the opening narrative of the movie their throwing slightly imperfect spartan babies off a cliff. What the hell is free about that?

Oh, great win though! Cheers.

by edzilla on Dec 7, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions  

you must not know much about History...

That was what they did in Sparta.

That is how they all were warriors and all a that, natural selection.

Cruel and unethical….but that’s kinda the point.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 7, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions  

right, but his point is that it's not freedom in any sense of the word

so for them to talk about it is kinda silly. Obviously 300 wasn’t really going for historical realism though, so it didn’t bother me – they were playing up the “freedom” stuff for an American audience who learns in school that democracy was formed in ancient Greece, ignoring that it was Athens, not Sparta, which developed democracy, and neither place gave much of a crap about our idea of “freedom.”

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Dec 7, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

right cj, i'm not talking about actual history i'm talking about 300

which was not based on real events either but the graphic novel by frank miller, so at least twice removed from any real historical accounts.

and FB, how is killing babies natural selection? that’s more like murder then the inability to keep up with the herd.

and i’m pretty sure that the giants locker room knows of leonidas and the spartan army only from the movie as well. good to see you historians out there flexing your knowledge though. interesting stuff.

by edzilla on Dec 7, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions  

oh and you don't need to be a football player to relate to leonidis....

 as i leave for work, powerpoint presentation in hand, my wife often yells “new yorker, come home with your honor or on your shield.”

by edzilla on Dec 7, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

It's doubly incorrect

because the reason pure- blood Spartans had such a warrior society was to keep their massive population of slaves called helots under control. They were an exceptionally authoritarian society. But the movie was an epic for action flicks.

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 7, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Horrible? No

Historical? Not really.

But the movie was epic

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"

by Willgfass on Dec 7, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Only a true footballer

would understand. It’s like a fighter who refuses to go down by propiing himself on the ropes, like Lamotta did in his sixth fight with Robinson. Beau Jack did it once as did Benny
Kid Paret.(who paid the ultimate price.)

by blue gonz on Dec 7, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, but they held the pass.

It was like a goal line stand. The Persian did not get through to desroy the bulk of the Spartan Army. Sheridan’s speech makes a great story. Reminds me of Rockne’s “win it for the Gipper.”

by blue gonz on Dec 7, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps i misinterpreted?

Though i googled the battle and skimmed through it, i thought they held the pass long enough so the Spartan army could regroup. And even though the Persian navy was weakened, thru battles or weather, i thought the Persians inevitably won the war, not just because they seemingly were delayed by this single battle?!

That was my basis. You can win the battles, but not the wars!

by Hootman on Dec 7, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

You've got the facts right.

Still, they held the pass AND the Persians won in the end. The Giants won the battle but the war is ongoing. Let them not be Spartans in that regard.

by blue gonz on Dec 7, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions  

You are mistaken

The battle was not just 300 Spartans, also another thousand Greeks were involved.
The Persians’ navy was defeated at the battle of Salamis by a coalition Greek fleet, and then the Persian army was defeated at the battles of Plataea and Mycale, a year after Thermopylae, ending the Persian invasion. However, Athens was destroyed shortly after Salamis.

by Rabbivole on Dec 7, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

yup

Thermopylae was actually a clear defeat for the Greeks, both tactically (on the battlefield) and strategically (in the long sense). The 3 days delay didn’t really accomplish anything – the Persians still sacked most of northern Greece, and it wasn’t until a year later that the Greeks turned back the invasion.

The reason it’s so famous though is the Spartan rear guard, who fought to the last man on the 3rd day while the rest of the Greek forces withdrew. It wasn’t so much about the real world impact of the battle as it was about the heroism of those who died in a losing cause, fighting for perceived freedoms. In a way, it’s kind of analogous to the “lost cause” movement after the Civil War, glorifying the “noble” Confederacy and attributing their loss to the overwhelming numbers of the Union.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Dec 7, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Y'all are making my head hurt!!

I don’t see any dang Persians, Spartans, or even Larry the cable guy’s sister on our schedule here..Now if they were I think I’d fear Larry’s Sister.

by Bobbiblue on Dec 7, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That's how deep Giant fans on this board are

We can talk about BS, KG Ny Giants, battle of thermopylae, civil war & talk a whole lot of smack!

by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL!!..How about the Trojan War then..The Battle of the Bulge (Flozell)

The last time my family had a picnic…The last time I went to a tailgate party and found out I was at the wrong damn game..Following my Father-in-law who had a bad case of the “walking farts” (that was a real gas)..talk about deep, golly that is some seriously deep stuff here I just shared..for pete’s sake..Talk about history?..This all happened just last week…Now that is a historical lesson, guys..Where are them damn Eagles…

by Bobbiblue on Dec 7, 2009 7:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Tiki may possess a high dick quotient, but --

— he’s the best RB we ever had. A rarity. A RB who got better at the age most decline.

by ZILLAG on Dec 7, 2009 11:36 AM EST reply actions  

Tiki doesn't exist to me anymore.

Frankly, I’m so glad that scumbag didn’t win a Superbowl it’s not even funny. He must have been so pissed to see Eli get a ring.

by Jonathan. on Dec 7, 2009 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Wining the SB with Tiki as a sideline reporter was priceless

Tiki had a great Giant career; he will never be considered a Great Giant

by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I consider Tiki a Great Giant.

He holds half of our offensive records, after all. Let’s also not forget that 200 yard effort when he personnaly dragged us into the playoffs in 06.

I think his comments were out of bounds, definitely, but geez, could we give it a rest at this point? Eli answered him, and we won the SB without him. I think those people who want to hang Tiki on a cross need to move on and get a life, seriously.

"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin

by Mr. Met on Dec 7, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed for most part

we just need to move on from this Tiki bashing … he was a great Giant and he knows he made a mistake. Let’s forgive and forget.

by potroast on Dec 7, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

My last Tiki post

I understand your perspective MM however I think Tiki has burned some bridges with the fans & teamates in his hurry to become a TV star that is going to take a lot of time to heal. As great as Tiki’s 2006 season was on the field it was that bad off of it. He threw teamates and his coaches under the bus constantly. Than tried to launch his media career by jumping ugly with Eli and let’s face it he looked like such a small person doing that.
What happened to Tiki is called KARMA

by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

amen

screw Tiki

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Dec 7, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly

by XLII on Dec 7, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, you have a point there Mr. Met. I never initiate trashing him, but often pile on. But wait, pot, why do you think he knows he made a mistake? You mean in terms of his thinking he could be a successful broadcaster? The guy has all the personality of a door knob. He has zero insight into how the world responds to his presentation of himself.

by blue gonz on Dec 7, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Like Thomas Jones

Must be somthing in the water down at Virginia

by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually still go with Rodney Hampton

because of the complete and utter lack of offensive help he had in his prime years.

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 7, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Being overjoyed with yesterdays win --

I will refrain from pointing out flaws, and spraying a mist of pessimism over this happy day.

by ZILLAG on Dec 7, 2009 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

thank you.

cuz we won…and those flaws simply don’t matter as long as you make big plays (even while bending and not breaking on defense).

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 7, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Lol, you call your pessimism a mist?

It’s more like a water cannon they use against rioters. Poke! lol

by Hootman on Dec 7, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, who copped Z's handle?

Actually, your optimism (or lack of pessism?) lends bouyancy to mine.

by blue gonz on Dec 7, 2009 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Overrated

Motivation has its place. Good for close or tight situations. But it and “attitude” are overrated, especially in the NFL.

BS deserves more credit for playing calling; that not “motivation” was what helped to win game. Concentrate on fixing problems (which always exist) and being prepared against Eagles. Have motivation ready to go, but leave idea of it as game-turner to teams like the Jets.

by Deal With It on Dec 7, 2009 11:41 AM EST reply actions  

You go and replay the Denver game

and replay this game, and tell me motivation doesn’t turn games.

When you play like your out of it…your out of it.

When you play like you want to win it…you can.

Is it the sole reason for success today? Obviously not.

But it sure as hell tipped the scales.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 7, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

It does

Motivation does have it’s place. If used sparingly it can be a powerful tool. If overused then the players know it’s fake.

by FrankB0318 on Dec 7, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Sheridan

I think one thing we can point to is authority and respect. Just like the departures of Tiki and Shockey allowed Eli to take the reins of this team, I think Sheridan has made a move to take control of this defense with the departure of Pierce and then by asserting himself in the benching of Osi. The guy certainly needs to command this defense, he hasn’t as I’ve seen for some time. Hopefully this will build some repect and get things cohexive. Because next week is another 60-minute season.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Dec 7, 2009 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

WOW

I loved BJ’s honesty. It shows a lot of character to take a long look in the mirror and criticize one self.

by FrankB0318 on Dec 7, 2009 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

THIS. IS. EAST RUTHERFORD!

Today looks a lot better than last Monday, don’t it?

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Dec 7, 2009 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

Wiki Barber

he is a moron – cannot stand him, never could.
I booed the hell out of him yesterday and will continue to do so.
When they show the top 5 rushing moments in Giants history, I wait patiently for Barber so I can continue to boo him.
I have gone as far as yelling at fans who still wear 21 with Barber on the back…my cousin told me if it’s a kid I have to yell at their parents ha
GO GMMEEEEN F The BIRDS

by DLineMonsts on Dec 7, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

Time to declare BBV

a no-Sheridan-critique zone, Ed?

by blue gonz on Dec 7, 2009 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

For this week at least,

We loose against the Iagles and I am sure Bill can go back to his place… Under the Bus

by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I couldn't agree more

Late for Dinner. Let’s string some wins together!

by jjamesgrant18 on Dec 7, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

As we cautiously move forward

Bill can at least ride in the back of the bus. He still needs to prove he can move up to the front (where the good DC’s are) then maybe he can drive it too?

by Hootman on Dec 7, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not letting him off the hook just yet...

..especially for our inability to cover the middle this season, regradless of personnel package in the game is. Nothing he has come up with yep has been able to heal this gaping wound in the middle of defense.

by Step up and make big plays on Dec 7, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's the million dollar question....

was this an attempt to turn this thing around….or was it a stay of execution?

will we have the same level of intensity next week or have a let down?

Philly seemed to have the all the answers in the first meeting….idk. I’m pretty nervous. as happy as i am right now, i’m just as concerned.

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Dec 7, 2009 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

We'll see on Sunday...

The Giants played balls out in the only way left for them — go for the big play (see all the attempted stripping of the ball?) Game plan, or adapting to situation? Doesn’t matter. Worked. Will it work against Philly/ Different, tougher team. But I think it’s what the Giants have at their disposal. They have to play with unbridled passion, overcoming their many deficiencies with balls to wall wham bam thank you mam slap up the side of the head lars ulrich double kick in yo face feel tha thundah wipe yo ass FOOTBALL. They do that, we got something…

by ZILLAG on Dec 7, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Get pumped for Iagles

We owe them one big time, the knocked us out of the playoffs and blew our doors off early this season. The only thing we got going is this is one of our biggest rivals and another NFC East game at home. If this team can’t get pumped up for Philly than I don’t know what will make them show up.
Playing philly is a good thing!

by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe

Sheridan will do a Remember the Alamo monologue, inspiring the Giants to repel the Eagle and send him back to his nasty nest.

by Jolly on Dec 7, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Thomas Paine

I’ve used it a few times here already, so I can’t reuse it.

How about Churchill? We shall fight in the swamps, we will fight in DC, we will fight in the tundra, we will fight in the superdome, and we will fight in MIAMI until the lombardi trophy is back where it belongs.

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"

by Willgfass on Dec 7, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no problem with tiki…I mean after talkin all that shit on tv and having it all thrown back in his face, along with never getting a ring and barely being on tv now…its hard not to like tiki :)

by IB on Dec 7, 2009 1:43 PM EST reply actions  

good point...

i think Tiki knows that how he left was wrong…and i think the football gods made him pay for it.

I could only image what he was thinking as he watched the giants march to a super bowl victory….that must have been a big time reality check.

as much as he tries to play it off, he knows that he screwed up…i think he tries to act like it doesn’t bother him but how can it not?

getting booed by your own fans when your the franchise’s leading rusher!?!?! say what you want but that has got to burn.

In a way i feel bad for tiki….but i think his arrogance is what really killed him. He tried to trash us on his way out in order to make a name for himself in the broadcasting world….well Tiki…mission accomplished. Are you happy? Was it really worth it?

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Dec 7, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

You feel sorry for him because he got what wqs coming to him?

You’ve got a big heart, andiamo. I can understand laying off of him under the general principle that you shoudn’t kick a man when he’s down, but I don’t feel sorry for a poleaxing for failur to remember that what goes around comes around.

by blue gonz on Dec 7, 2009 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess i feel sorry for him because

at the end of the day I don’t think he wanted to alienate his former team… but jump start his broadcasting career.

the problem was that he did it at our expense.

some of the things he said shoulda stayed in house….but they didn’t.

I think he knows that he messed up….i don’t think he’d admit it, but given the chance he would NOT do it all over again.

bottom line he’s one of the best Running Backs in the history of this organization and an all time great Giant. Part of me will always value what Tiki did while he was here…the same way part of me will always remember how he left…..

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Dec 7, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Right on Andia..He let his team down..

Infact he and Shockey tried to run the huddle….Now he’s"Mr. nowhere’s Man"..and Shockey is still the same’ol idiot..

by Bobbiblue on Dec 7, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I don’t like what he said once he left the Giants and love the fact it bit him in the cornhole in the worst way possible.

…..But when the man played…..saying he’s the best RB in the Giants history, by far, is not selling him short.

He was a great RB. I doubt that if he kept quiet and kept playing…that the Giants don’t do what they did in that SB run anyway. COuld’ve used a consistent RB like that.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 7, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

He was a great RB.

He was also locker room poison his last few years. You can’t win with guys like that and I think that’s what you’re saying.

by blue gonz on Dec 7, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll pimp it to my grave

Rodney Hampton. Did the most with least amount of help.

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 7, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Friggen Dave Brown was the QB so you know if Rodney didn’t have a good day we were in trouble

by Late for Dinner on Dec 8, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Tiki retiring and Sharky getting traded..

Was all Eli needed to get us a championship, along with Strahan deciding to stay…Inever missed either one of them.

by Bobbiblue on Dec 7, 2009 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

Don't get me started on Shockey

The guy runs himself out of town cause the giants only had light beer in the box at the super bowl. I thought he was about winning but it became obvious he only cares about his stats.

I’ll bet Eli don’t miss Shockey throwing his hands in the air after Shockey runs the wrong route.

by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

It was a hard lesson, but

it looks like Shock gets it in NO.

by blue gonz on Dec 7, 2009 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

In training camp

didn’t Brees intentionally throw the ball 10-15 yards over Shockey head sending Shockey a message? I vaguely remember a story about that. It might have been last season.

by FrankB0318 on Dec 7, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw the sideline spat last season

Brees grabed shockey by the face mask and screamed at him and shockey was quiet. Like blue said I think Shockey get’s it now because he is never in the headlines and seems fine just being another cog in the Saint’s vast array of weapons.

by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Yep you saw the same thing I did Late..

Brees fed him some serious beans and let him no who was in charge..but he is still an idiot and doesn’t fit with the Giants..I dislike that guy..ever since he threw ice into that little boys face.

by Bobbiblue on Dec 7, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Absolutely right..both those guys had talent but they are poison..

Tiki..where are you now?..Let me give you a hint ‘nowhere’.

by Bobbiblue on Dec 7, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Good attitude shown by Osi

I’m glad the he realizes that it’s team first. Maybe coming off the bench is the way to keep him fired up.

by njgiant on Dec 7, 2009 2:38 PM EST reply actions  

No doubt

Given his past I half-expected it to get ugly. A HUGE kudos to Osi for keeping a good attitude about it. Even today he’s saying all the right things.

by potroast on Dec 7, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Osi

I read somewhere that Lavar Arrington called him and the talk got Osi’s head out of his arse and back into the game.

by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

they might take our lives

but they’ll never take … OUR DIVISION TITLE!!!!!!!!!!!

Wait, is that a different movie?

by long time listener on Dec 7, 2009 3:25 PM EST reply actions  

will be......

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 7, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if every big Giants win from now on

comes with a heaping helping of Tiki-bashing, with maybe some Shockey-smiting on the side.

I hope not, because we’ve got some Philly dragon to slay, more on point.

"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin

by Mr. Met on Dec 7, 2009 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

Take your tiki jersey off MM

People are just commenting because he was booed yesterday while serving as captain during the coin toss.

I guess it would be like brining up bobby bonilla on a met blog.

by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

People carry a lot of misplaced anger in their lives, Late.

It tends to do no one any amount of good. I don’t have a Tiki jersey, but I do have compassion for members of my own family who make mistakes.

"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin

by Mr. Met on Dec 7, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

People carry a lot of misplaced anger in their lives

Funny that’s what my wife tells me after the Giants loose and I am cursing under my breath. I have no defense it’s sports; Look I used to be a huge Tiki Barber fan, but the guy dumps on the orgainztion I love and tries to tell Giant Mgmt they know nothing about winning (got that out of his book) when he has won squat.
I don’t wish him any ill will personally I understand why he retired when he did. But to me there are guys that play for your team i.e. Tiki and than there are guys who embody your organization i.e. LT, Phil Simms, Harry Carson, Strahan, Amani. I will always appreciate what Tiki did for the team but he will never go down as an all time giant in my book.

by Late for Dinner on Dec 7, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough

I can see the distinction between great players and great people. I guess I could argue with you about whether LT has “embodied the organization” better than Tiki, all things considered, but I won’t. I love LT too, despite his many and varied personal failures.

"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin

by Mr. Met on Dec 7, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

doing coke, getting arrested, and sending prostitutes to opponents rooms >>>>>>>>>>> saying mean things about your quarterback

I’m only half-joking. I’ve more or less forgiven Tiki, and I will always remember him as an amazing running back and maybe the best all-around offensive player in Giants history. On the other hand, I’m never really gonna like the guy as much as I did when he was playing, and I won’t be upset at all if his TV career fails.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Dec 7, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions  

You threaten my people with golf in January?

Giants! Ready your breakfast and eat hearty, for tonight we dine in hell!
Or Philly. Which is close enough.

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"

by Willgfass on Dec 7, 2009 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

LOL!!..Hey late..

It’s: "Ooooh-aaah…Ooooh-aaah..Ooooh-aaah…Although I really like your version of the chant..lol

by Bobbiblue on Dec 7, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Big Blue View is the best independent site on the Internet for year-round news and discussion about the New York Giants.

Community Guidelines
Start posting about the Giants »

Join SB Nation and dive into communities focused on all your favorite teams.

Connect_with_facebook

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Taylorlawrence21_small
You Know You're a BBVer if...

Recent FanPosts

Ega_small
DJ Johnson to Safety?
Theone_small
Brandon Jacobs pissed off...
Dave_small
OT: 2010 SB Nation Madden 11 Online Season for Xbox 360
Small
Options to consider for Backing up Eli
51882_giants_buccaneers_football_small
Who Starts Opposite Tuck?
Bigblue1_0_small
Will We Be Satisfied?
Lyriccdbackgroundphotoshop_small
Prilosec ads, guys? Just had to say it...
Small
Antonio Pierce and former Giants turned analysts
Img_1419_small
Plax denied work appeal again!!!!
Small
Too Late to go Back Now, But if we Could...........

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >

Latest NFL Headlines from SB Nation

SPONSORS

Get Your Giants' Gear

SBNation.com Recent Stories

Photo

2010 NFL Preview, Dallas Cowboys: Playing For A Home Super Bowl

Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger warms up before a preseason NFL football game against the Denver Broncos Sunday, Aug. 29, 2010, in Denver. (AP Photo/Jack Dempsey) +48 updates

Ben Roethlisberger's Suspension Reduced To Four Games By Roger Goodell

PITTSBURGH - AUGUST 25:  Byron Leftwich #4 of the Pittsburgh Steelers warms up prior to the preseason game against the Carolina Panthers on September 2 2010 at Heinz Field in Pittsburgh Pennsylvania.  (Photo by Jared Wickerham/Getty Images) +1 updates

Steelers QB Situation Takes Turn For Worse: Byron Leftwich Has Partially Torn MCL

More from SBNation.com >


Editor-In-Chief

Ed_valentine_2_small Ed Valentine

Editors

Blueshirt_banter_small Jim Schmiedeberg

Small brisulph

Authors

Tyree_believe_small cjmulrain