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Jacobs heading under the knife

From Ralph Vacchiano, comes the news we have been fearing about Brandon Jacobs.

Giants running back Brandon Jacobs has been battling knee issues all season long, and after 15 games his knee has apparently had enough.

Tom Coughlin announced today that Jacobs’ disappointing season is officially over and he will undergo arthroscopic surgery next week. Coughlin did not specifically say what the damage was or whether it happened during his six-carry, one-yard performance against the Panthers on Sunday. He also indicated the problem wasn’t discovered until Jacobs was examined yesterday.

According to one source familiar with Jacobs’ injury, he has a partially torn meniscus. He suffered no ligament damage and the injury is not considered major. The ‘scope is being done mostly to clean out the torn cartilage, which they expect would reduce the pain and swelling that has apparently bothered him for months.

Let's just hope that this is not the beginning of long-term health issues for Jacobs. The Giants need to run the football better in 2010, and we would all like to think a healthy Jacobs would be part of the solution.

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I was wondering when this was going to break....

Ed called it too.

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Dec 30, 2009 12:44 PM EST reply actions  

How did Ware

fall so outta favor with Coughlin…..i don’t buy that special teams excuse.

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Dec 30, 2009 12:48 PM EST reply actions  

When you put the ball on the ground

It’s hard for the coaches to want to put you back in there. (i.e. Denver game)

by Larry Soprano on Dec 30, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Well put

When you are the # 3 back, you better not fumble when you are givin a chance. Danny is done as a Giant

by Late for Dinner on Dec 30, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

totally forgot about the fumble in Denver

I just feel that for a guy who’s been around here as long as he has he would be given more of a “shot”.

It’s tough cutting a guy that we’ve groomed for the past few season b/c of one fumble.

I guess Manningham is allowed as many mulligans as he wants but DJ get’s put in the doghouse.

i mean the guy went from someone who we had really high hopes for to being pushed out the door….and the reason being due to a fumble in a blow out loss to denver?!?!

I guess we reserve 2nd, 3rd, and 4th chances to Moss, Wilkinson, and Whimper

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Dec 30, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Danny got more than one chance

Since Ware has been on the team the RB position has been stacked, last season he had three RB’s in Front of him, this season he had two ahead of him. Don’t forget that Ware got hurt for almost the 1st half of the season, so any chance to prove himself on the field was gone. When Ware finnally got on the field he had a HUGE fumble against Denver and a concussion and has basically been an afterthought ever since. Unfortuantly in football you only have a few chances to grab the coaches attention, and Ware did not do that.

Moss, Wilkinson and Whimper I would put in the same catigory as Ware, guys who have talent but never took advantage of the chances when given. You can’t compare Manningham to Ware though, because Manningham siezed his chance to prove himself to the coaching staff. Manning ham is only a 2nd year player and 57 catches for 822 yards is not a bad season for a second year reciever. And remember Manningham was great the first couple of games in the season, so he earned some trust, Ware because of injury and fumbling never got off on a good foot thus he has no trust by the coaching staff.

by Late for Dinner on Dec 30, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

It wasn't a blowout when he fumbled.

Bradshaw didn’t make the trip, so the coaching staff was relying on him to make an impact. Not cough it up after showing some life and turn it over deep in their own territory that would lead to 6.

Not sure what else he did to make TC S-list, but I’m sure that didn’t help his cause.

Don’t know if Ware is getting an invite back, but I am also unsure how effective Brown is going to be after the achilles injury. I wouldn’t be surprised if they spend a high draft pick on a premier back in the draft. C.J. Spiller anyone?

by Larry Soprano on Dec 30, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Gatrell Johnson is our #2 RB next game

He is going to get some serious snaps…just you watch. I think he is going to show us something different.

by 732jerseyP on Dec 30, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I like Spiller.

Not sure what they do in FA..or if they even do anything in FA considering all the flops this season (I think Boley and Canty are still good…but their injuries in the beginning hurt communication cuz they weren’t there early on).

If there’s no DT or S (which there may not be) or even a OL who’s worthy enough (I’d love to get Anthony Davis…he’s a big porky bastard)….yea, Spiller would be nice.

He’s got that thing…ELITE speed, that could erase a lot for the Gints. Not sure on his injury history tho…maybe they stay away?

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 30, 2009 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Ware

had a bad fumble. My guess is he also missed a few blocks on kick returns. Bye, bye, DJ.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 30, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Ware

In addition to the fumble, sounds to me from some of the things TC is saying that he has not really been pleased with Ware’s effort. That’s a major shot at a guy who has been begging for an opportunity. If he isn’t working hard enough to earn it, that’s a problem.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 30, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I think work ethic has much more to do than one fumble..

Every coach will give a guy a break for a fumble..but if you don’t have the desire to practice hard an demonstrate your learning..then the Turk will show up at your door.

by Bobbiblue on Dec 30, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it has to be something along those lines....

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Dec 30, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions  

All the emphasis on him staying healthy for the whole year...

Anybody have a guess as to when he originally injured the knee and how long has he played with it? Although I thought most of his woes this year were due to poor OL play and poor game planning, maybe this is a more valid excuse. How would the Giant’s game plan have been different if he took care of this knee injury sooner and rested for a few games?

by Larry Soprano on Dec 30, 2009 12:53 PM EST reply actions  

I've never thought Jacobs was long for this game.

He just takes too much punishment. Could say the same thing about Bradshaw, frankly. Fortunately, there’s a bunch of RBs in this draft. Still, get well soon, big fella.

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Dec 30, 2009 12:55 PM EST reply actions  

This explains some things

However, our offensive line has to be looked at too, this was not one of their better years.

by Late for Dinner on Dec 30, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Age.

Kareem is getting old. So is O’Hara – who has always played bigger than he actually is anyway. Same goes for Seubert. A ton of skill and heart, but this is a tough game. These guys wear down. I think Beatty will be ok, though.

(It doesn’t help when Gilbride goes into his Incredibly Predictable mode, either.)

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Dec 30, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not worried about the OL

In my opinion, the OL did not play as well as they did last season after all the hype. But to me, they are NOT a liability at this point and I would blame our running games demise on two separate issues:

1) Our running backs sucked this year. Jacobs was a shell of himself regardless of what anyone wants to say. If you didn’t see him pussyfooting, you were not watching. Bradshaw got yards and two bad ankles, and you add the fact that we lost Ward and the three headed monster, and yeah, we didn’t run as well. I contend if we put Jonathan Stewart or another other good tough running back behind the same line this year, they would have had 1500yds. The holes are there, our guys need to get to them and thru, not stop and read.

2) Its hard to run for alot of yard when your defense puts you in a 24-3 hole every other game in the second quarter. Our ground game and balance goes with controlling the clock and playing GOOD defense. Hell, we didn’t play ANY defense. And when Julius Peppers gets to pass rush every play – good luck to your offense. Unfortunately, they were put under too much pressure to score quickly and often – which changed our gameplan.

Yeah, MacKenzie is getting old, but he is solid when he is in there and Beatty is lurking. I will take a bunch of old experienced guys that have played together in there versus youth and inexperience any day. I don’t think OL is a priority for us next year, these guys can still get it done. We need to spend our effort fixing the D.

by dubsrub on Dec 30, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions  

This stinks

but what could we have done?

We couldn’t have rested Jacobs, because Bradshaw is going to break his foot at any moment, Ware was hurt/Coaches don’t trust him, and then we have Gartrell Johnson.
As cool as Gartrell was, he fumbled the ball on his 2nd or 3rd carry.

Also Ed, I’m going to put a Q&A post on the Vikings site, unless someone more senior on the site should do that. Last week, RolloT started it on the Panther’s site, so I just want to know if its alright that I can put it on the Daily Norseman

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

When there's a WILL there's a WAY

by Willgfass on Dec 30, 2009 1:16 PM EST reply actions  

It's fine

as long as you represent yourself as a community member, and not one of the front-page writers.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 30, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

will do

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

When there's a WILL there's a WAY

by Willgfass on Dec 30, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Brown

Very iffy, I would think. An Achilles Tendon tear is going to be very, very difficult for him to come back from as a running back. It’s a terrible injury for a back to sustain, and all the medical technology in the world won’t bring all the strength and explosiveness back to that leg. I have torn mine twice, and I know Brown has access to more care and training than I would get, but he faces a long, hard road.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 30, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Forget about Brown lets talk about Gatrell Johnson!

He hasn’t done much this season but he hasn’t fumbled or turned the ball over either. Also he had a nice long run earlier in the season but it was called back because of penalty…I think there is some talent there I want to see him get some serious snaps behind Bradshaw during the Minnesota game.

by 732jerseyP on Dec 30, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Doubt it

I think that Achilles injury has him out of the running for that job but he could split time with Bradshaw.

I like Bradshaw and what a steal at a 7th rounder but I have a hard time imagining him as a starter

by The Curse on Dec 30, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Bradshaw can't be the starter

he can barely take 10 – 12 carries a game. Hes a good change of pace back but thats it

by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 30, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

It's over

release him. draft a quality (smaller!!!) running back.

by dram57 on Dec 30, 2009 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

Sucks

good luck big boy, get well, although alot of ahem fans have already thrown you to the wolves, i for one hope you recover well and are ready for the start of ‘10. Guess he wasn’t bsing us on the knee issue huh?

by wilddre22 on Dec 30, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm one

of the “ahem fans” I guess, though I haven’t been rabid about BJ’s weak running this year. If the knee is the reason for his tiptoe style this year, then I apologize for my verbal transgressions. With most tacklers going low on him these days, unfortunately, I foresee more problems with the knees.

by Jolly on Dec 30, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Easy to make coughlin's s-list

5 minutes late to a meeting is all it takes with coughy. He should be a disciplinarian when it counts. when you dog it on the field. when you don’t follow the playbook. when you don’t give a crap. call them out.

by dram57 on Dec 30, 2009 1:30 PM EST reply actions  

taking credit

In my post “A time to Ponder,” which sadly had nothing to do with Willie Ponder I said I had a sneaking suspicion that Brandon would be going under the knife soon. I am so very rarely right that I would like full credit for this suspicion which only 9 out of 10 fans saw coming.

by David Jacks on Dec 30, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

Hey David

You got some lotto numbers for me?

by Late for Dinner on Dec 30, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I noticed it....

i forgot it was you who made that post….thought it was Ed.

but yeah, good call.

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Dec 30, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

daym...

hope this doesnt linger with him in the offseason.. how long is the recovery for a partially torn miniscus??

smh… my first two names are Brandon Jacob …i kinda felt like it was me out there playing for the giants.. sniff.. lol

by semsemma on Dec 30, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions  

Bothering him for months huh...

between this, AB’s foot, Seubert’s shoulder, Tuck’s shoulder, Osi’s knee, KP’s absense…

..Yea..definitely not the Giants year.

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 30, 2009 3:26 PM EST reply actions  

My god do we have to draft a RB now!

I was hoping the only offensive players they would draft this year or sign as FA’s would be an o-linemen the rest would be LBs, D-Tackles, and Safteys to replace our current JV unit out there.

I hate to say I told you so but I’ve always felt injuries would do the big guy in. You can’t be that big and Tall at the RB position in the NFL and not develop knee problems, you’re too exposed. Thats why compact guys like Tiki, Emmit, Curtis Martin, Walter Payton, Marshal Faulk last longer there stout and powerful but not very tall so they don’t take a lot of direct hits to the legs. 5-10 5-11 225 is the ideal size for a RB.

by Landeta on Dec 30, 2009 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

RB Opening

Just remember that LT is going to be cut from SD and while I’m sure he’ll have people trying to get him he’ll be open. I think LJ would be available as well from the Bengals and I don’t care what he called a reporter because he runs like a NY Giants should. Also, they’ll release T. Jones from the Jets due to salary as well.

by The Curse on Dec 30, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I vote for none of the above...

…what we don’t need is a late-career free agent, a la Dorsey Levens.

by Step up and make big plays on Dec 30, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

Well – Dorsey Levins never was in the category of the people in the above list but I agree I don’t want a washout like him. I think he even played at Philly before we got him and I never understood that FA pickup.

by The Curse on Dec 30, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

2010 is going to be a long year

this team is awful when you really think about, just god awful. They can’t possibly fill all these holes in one season. This team reminds me of the 04 team. It’s even more depressing considering there won’t be any football in 2011 becasue of the lack of a CBA so well have to wait till 2012 to watch competative football, oh great.

by Landeta on Dec 30, 2009 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Did this happen in Dallas?

Does everyone remember that weird bend in his knee he got on a low hit during a sweep to the right in Week 2? I can’t remember how well he ran Week one but he got that weird bend in his right knee on that play. I think it was 2nd quarter.

It doesn’t say above which knee it is though.

by The Curse on Dec 30, 2009 4:28 PM EST reply actions  

TC's comment on Barden

If you read the whole article he says that he’s basically going to sit Barden on Sunday.

NICE JOB grandpa Coughlin. Way to redshirt someone for DEREK HAGAN – a Dolphin reject. I feel great that Barden is looking good in the ‘Scout Team’

Idiot.

by The Curse on Dec 30, 2009 4:38 PM EST reply actions  

No need for that

The coaches see practice every day. We don’t. We all hope Barden turns into a player. BTW, Hagan happens to be the best kick coverage guy the Giants have.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 30, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

More Great News!!!!!!!

MG is reporting Chris Canty is hurt again, he has a sprained MCL and will undergo an MRI. I will bet a $1,000.00 he has a torn MCL and will be a non-factor next year.

JR’s 2009 FA signings have been the biggest front office disaster since George Young drafted Dave Brown in the 1992 supplemental draft.

Bernard – worthless has been a healthy scratch
CC Brown – won’t be in the NFL next year
Michael Boley – Wife beating injury prone soft LB who disrespected Harry Carson
CHris Canty – An absolute Joke, injured all year and ineffective when healthy.

If they don’t want to set the Franchise back and there is no cap in 2010 they’d save the franchise a lot of aggrevation if they just cut all four of those muts.

If JR has another offseason like last year he’ll be on the hotseat too becasue these moves have been Jet like in nature.

by Landeta on Dec 30, 2009 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

a 'Jet' like move

That was quite the bomb to be dropped. I can’t stop laughing.

I think we’re seeing that Canty looked good due to the talent around him in Dallas.

I really wuoldn’t lose any sleep on seeing any of the DT’s outside of Tuck leaving.

I like Boley and he was one LB that seemed to be in the right position when healthy.

by The Curse on Dec 30, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Well there is hope for these guys careers...

Bernard – “I’ve heard alot about these E-Tenze pills, so I decided to try them..thought it would be fun..(grin)”
CC Brown – "Have it your way..at Burger King!! "
Canty – "Five dollar..Five dollar..Footlongs!! "

by Bobbiblue on Dec 30, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I really can't disagree

There are a few times when boley get’s caught playing soft. I can live w/ the wrap sheet and the shot at Carson (although I disagree w/ both). But that tackle attempt on Rock Cartwright vs Washington was a joke….T. Gonzalez also dragged him down the field like Bavaro did Lott…except of course Boley is LB, not a S.

Right now it’s not looking good at all for these FA…in fact disasterous is more accurate.

I will give Canty a pass though…I know he was ineffective when he played but I’m not going to judge someone from a 5 or 6 game season…so let’s all cross our fingers and hope that’s all it is.

Bernard and CC might as well not even been here.

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Dec 30, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

20/20 hindsight

Just want to mention, I think JR went over board with the signings of Rocky Bernard and Chris Canty, could have used that money to keep Ward, damn that was a RB tandem for your as$.

by NYCGMEN on Dec 30, 2009 6:07 PM EST reply actions  

Get off the Ward bus

He averaged 3.6 YPC. Yes it was a terrible team but it was necessary to let Bradshaw run wild. Unfortunately he is so banged up. Gotta love his reckless abandonement, just wish he drank more milk haha!

DB

by DukBudr on Dec 30, 2009 6:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree, I agree. I'm off now

I had a momentary lapse on the 2008 season.

by NYCGMEN on Dec 30, 2009 7:48 PM EST reply actions  

Miss the playoffs and out comes the hate

I’m not gonna argue with anyones opinions, but man you guys are in a worse mood than me.

I missed the comment Boley made about Carson so not knowing that he was the best FA signing.

Canty will be here next year and should be more of a force if he doesn’t get hurt again.

Robbins, Bernard, CC, and AP are all gone.

Boley, Goff, and Sintim will be are starting backers next year.
Webster, Thomas at CB
Ross and Phillips at Safety I feel Ross has potential at safety and an offseason would help alot.
DL will be Tuck, Kiwi, Canty and hopefully Alford or my DT draft pick Art Jones from the Cuse.

Next season Barden will start to see the field because his lack of ST ability will no longer matter based on him being the #3.

And if anyone gets cut for fumbling by TC they deserve it because if he fixed Tiki there is no one he can’t fix.

by Ando81 on Dec 30, 2009 8:57 PM EST reply actions  

LOL yea I'm pretty miserable right now

I’m sure I’m getting carried away but this is the worst I’ve felt about a Giant team heading into the next season since the end of 2003 and I knew they needed to rebuilt.

Obviously with an expiernced QB like Eli they’ll be better than that but the defensive talent is well truley awful I mean terrible outside of 3 or 4 guys. Most of the rest of the D are backups and special teams players that may or may not be good and seem to be injury prone. Kinda tough to feel good about these guys or this unit going into next year and who the hell knows who’s going to coach them. It’ll take a few years to rebuilt this D.

by Landeta on Dec 30, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Well TC is full of shite

if he’s saying they just found it. We now know why Jacobs sucked this year.

by DoctorK16 on Dec 30, 2009 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

What is he supposed to say?

He said they have known he hasn’t been right.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 31, 2009 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

so you believe they just found this knee

problem? I’m not sure I buy it. They let him play through it. The thing with a scope it was possible it could have been done and he returned to play this season.

by DoctorK16 on Jan 1, 2010 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

Sometimes

you just have to suck it up and deal with it. We were decimated with injuries at key positions (so it was harder to cover them up) and they played a large part in doing us in ultimately.
Jacobs, however, is injury prone anyway (and will continue to be), merely because he is looking for players to hit when he’s toting the rock; since he’s become known as a battering ram, players are looking to punish him. We’d better be looking at the available running back stash for 2010; hopefully JR can pull the rabbit out of the hat at the RB spot for next season.

We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.

by GAgiantfan on Jan 1, 2010 12:15 PM EST reply actions  

BJ has a miniscus tear.

A lot of people over the age of forty or so have small miniscus tears. I’ve got one myself. I could get another operation, but I’m not going to unless it gets worse. You can function more or less normally with a small tear. My guess is that was what BJ had. He could play with discomfort, but not severe pain. I don’t even need ibuprofen, etc., but I can’t do much more than ten minutes of aerobica. The risk for BJ is that the tear could get worse. Maybe he should have had an operation earlier, but Ware couldn’t contribute most of the year and AB could have become totally non functional at any time.

by blue gonz on Jan 1, 2010 5:42 PM EST reply actions  

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