New York Giants News & Notes: Ugly Loss Hangover
by cjmulrain on Dec 30, 2009 7:00 AM EST
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PrintToday's News & Notes is going to be brief, b/c I'm traveling right now. I just want to point out that, despite how down I feel about the Giants right now, if you'd told me in 1999 that they would make the playoffs 6 out of the next 10 years, win more division championships and postseason games than the Cowboys & Redskins combined, make two trips to the Super Bowl & win one of the most memorable Super Bowls in the history of the league, I would have taken it in a heartbeat. If someone offered me an identical decade for the 10's, I'd take that in a heartbeat, too. The Giants may not be a dynasty, but they've had a nice run the past few years and aren't too many pieces away from being back in the playoffs. I'll take it.
Now onto the links:
- Shaun O'Hara is the only Giant to make the Pro Bowl. Someone's going to have to explain to me how the guy who led the NFC in receptions, was third in receiving yards, and tenth in TD receptions didn't make the team. Steve Smith 2.0 got robbed. I hope the NFC receivers cost the team the game with multiple dropped 3rd down receptions.
- Some generational drama has popped up between Giants legend Harry Carson and current linebacker Michael Boley. After hearing that Carson criticized the Giants performance on Sunday, Boley responded that it "doesn't mean anything to me." Carson stood by his words, saying (amongst other things): "They can say what they want to say...I didn’t miss any tackles on Sunday. I didn’t go out and wallow around. They need to look at themselves in the mirror. What they showed on Sunday, it was embarrassing. It was embarrassing for all the all former players." I've gotta say I'm taking Carson's side on this.
- Finally, the NY Times 5th Down Blog wraps up its look at the Top 10 Giants Moments at Giants Stadium. Coming in at #1 is this past Sunday's finale against....nah, just kidding. It's the Giants regular season finale from 1981, a game that sent them to their first playoff appearance in 18 seasons.
One more note: My advice for Cowboys/Eagles rooting etiquette on Sunday: swallow your pride and passively hope the Cowboys win so the Eagles don't get a bye (but don't be too upset if the Cowboys lose), and then hope they both suffer embarrassing playoff losses, hopefully involving some kind of pathetic moment that can be mocked for years to come, ala McNabb puking or Romo fumbling an extra point.
Happy New Year everyone!
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this morning
there’s an article on si.com listing pro-bowl snubs. guess who’s not on that list either? steve smith. the writer argues for percy harvin at WR.
Sidney Rice does not belong in front of Steve-o
the yardage is comparable, so is TD’s, and catches? forget it.
Steve’s problem is his consistency. he is looked at as the poor man’s wes welker, who doesn’t get the hoopla, doesn’t make the highlight reel as often as rice and desean do, so he falls into the mediocre category. Damn shame too, a guy who will have over 100 catches and 1200 yards by seasons end doesn’t even get a ‘snub’ mention. pathetic.
if there is a bright side to this, is that he will probably get in due to an injury, or one of those wideouts being in the Super Bowl the next week.
if sidney rice doesn't
percy harvin doesn’t deserve a snub
I can make the argument...
that Eli got snubbed. He made it last year for less. Yes, I know, that was a 12-4 team, but he has had a great year. Steve Smith not making it is a travesty.
People hate NY teams
especailly the main ones, Yanks & Giants. They always look to piss on them, so with the type of year the Giants had media types are piling on it’s no surprise.
Do you know how pissed they were that the Giants won the most memorable SB ever? The National media has been looking to tear this team down ever since then, it’s a joke and none of it can be taken seriously.
I am 100% against you on that Doc
i unlike most of you guys, hate the cowboys, but i H-H-H-H-H-H-H…….H-H-H-H-H—H-H-H-H-H…….H-H-H-H-A-A-A-T-T-T-T-E-E-E-E the seagulls…i mean sheagles.
hey my best friend is a bird brain fan. so it comes with the territory.
disagree
jerry jones puts the cowboys way above the eagles on the hatred list
by LT's Will Power on Dec 30, 2009 8:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Behind Enemy Lines
Been living in Phiadelphia for almost 6 years now (schooling and then career). Almost all of these fans alone make me detest the team. (notice the lack of absolute there, some are tolerable). I hope Desean Jackson gets eaten alive! Will be pulling for the Cowboys in that game. However, once playoffs begin, will be cheering for the other Manning.
absolutely
as a fanbase, they scrape the bottom of the sea…joe d and bye dawk the exceptions to the rule.
but...
i guess my thing is that dallas fans seem to be everywhere and have no real justification for being fans…also the whole self proclaimed “america’s team” (from a state that would love to secede from the union)..and they always feel they were cheated out of winning the super bowl every year, its never their fault and their teams is always better, no matter what…they just annoy the hell outta me
by LT's Will Power on Dec 30, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Hate 'em both
But I gotta go with the Eagles as the team I hate more. Since I’ve been a fan of the Giants starting around 1984, it’s been the Eagles that seemingly have always been our arch-nemesis when we’ve been good, while the Cowboys best years seem to be during times when the Giants have had down years. There’s only been a couple of years – 1993, 2007 – when the Cowboys and Giants have been competitive together, while the Eagles always seem to be playing the role of Moriarty.
That being said, I don’t think we have anything on the Skins’ fans obsession with the Cowboys. Every time they play – except for last Sunday – that’s all the fans here can talk about. It’s actually a little creepy in a way.
Agree 100%
Eagle fans are awful.
They deserve the fate of the Clevand Browns fans. Franchise moves and wins a SB in another City and the reincarnation of your old franchise is a joke. I firmly believe all Eagle fans deserve that. I will be absolute, they all suck and if god forbid they ever win a SB everybody on this site will know what I’m talking about and wished they had rooted for the Cowboys. The Eagle fans will compare their SB team to the likes of the 85 Bears and will say McNabb/Reid is just as good as the 80’s niners or 70’s Steelers. Trust me on this we can not have this happen. But the way this season has gone I have a horrible feeling they will win it this year.
by Landeta on Dec 30, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Colts are not beating SD
The only teams that beat the Eagles in this years playoffs are SD and maybe in a shootout NO but they’ve looked like crap recently.
last year during the regular season they did
But then they lost when it mattered
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
That sounds alot like Ron White (the comedian)..
Tlaking about his in-laws..lol
Cowbeeotches
Jerry Jones, Micheal Irvin, Emmitt Smith. Fuck them. McNabb is likable, Westbrook is generally class, Dawkins was class off the field and say what you want about the Philly fans at least they can be located by GPS when the team sucks, the Cowgirls have the second biggest bandwagon the history of the world behind the Yankees.
FYI I went to Lehigh and lived in Philly so I got to meet a couple of these guys over the years.
FUCK THE COWBOYS
not too many teams can say...
not too many teams can say that in the past 30 years they have won as many games with playoff appearances and super bowls than the new york giants…we have been lucky…with ups and downs but its the downs that make the ups that much sweeter
by LT's Will Power on Dec 30, 2009 8:32 AM EST reply actions
+1 for arry Carson
-1 for Boley. What a disrespectful comment right there by Boley. It smacks of the words a newcomer who has not yet embraced the rich tradition at linebacker of this organization.
Know your role, newbie! You are a link in a chain at that position. Hell, right now, you aren’t fit to wear Pepper’s #52. Do your job and step up and make big plays!
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 30, 2009 9:46 AM EST reply actions
I thought you were just using your cockney accent, guv'nor.
But you’re still spot-on, eh, wot? Michael-bleedin’-Boley ‘as no business moufin’ off to old ’Arry.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
If Boley thinks what a REAL man (Harry Carsen) has to say..Then Cut him..He doesn't deserve to be a Giant
I’d like to se him square off with LT also..
seriously...
the statement made by boley was asinine. I’m not sure if he knows his NY giants history but Carson can say whatever he wants. He may not be literally in the locker room but IMO he’s still a Giant.
I can’t even remember HC in his prime but at least I know he’s one of the best Middle LB’s in the history of the Giants.
I know Boley didn’t mean to take a shot at him…i think it was more in defense but still…
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
the sad thing is, Boley could learn a lot from Harry Carson...
…if he kept his mouth shut, watched old films, and consulted with the man. I’m old enough to remember the latter years of Harry Carson’s career, and by that point he had become not simply a playmaker, but in fact the smartest guy on the defensive side of the ball — precisely the kind of linebacker we lack at present, the kind of guy we hoped Boley would evolve into.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 30, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Harry Carson was the best MLB in the history of our team..
Boley should shut up and listen to him.
Carson might be right
But, it’s also easy for Carson or Carl Banks to rip these guys. As much as I agree with Carson, he has to remember he played on a lot of really bad teams himself.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 30, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
But...........
the defense in the 80s didn’t lay down for half a season. The D might have had a bad game the entire season.
and i think that's exactly why he should shut up and listen to him....
HC played through some brutal teams and was one of the few bright spots.
I’m glad he stuck around to get a ring…he deserved it for being a great player on a crap team for so many years.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Yes he did play on bad teams
I think what you are hearing from guys like Carson and Banks is that this team has no pride what so ever. Yes Harry has been on the end of some butt kickings, however his point was that they at least they got mad about getting their butt’s kicked, while these clowns are shaking hands and laughing away with Panther players at half time. Than they come out in the 2nd half with no fire!
by Late for Dinner on Dec 30, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
And I thought Manningham's comments about his bad route running was bad.....
for a 1st year Giant, this was a ballsy thing to say about Carson’s comments. If anything, this kid should call Mr. Carson to apologize and ask him for some tips on how to play LB for the NY Giants. Boley doesn’t even meet the qualifications to carry Carson’s jock strap.
In regards to Giant’s legends and “HOFers”, keep your mouth shut young man. Listen and learn.
Boley has officialy got on my sh!t list
I had pleasure of watching Harry in the 80’s and let me tell you Boley could not tie the man’s shoe lace. Obviously Boley thinks he is still playing for a team like the Falcons with no franchise history because if he understood, how rich the Giants History is and what Harry still means to the franchise he would have kept his mouth shut.
Sad part is by opening his mouth Boley just confirmed what Harry was talking about, these guys aren’t Giants they are players that play for the Giants.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 30, 2009 12:24 PM EST up reply actions
Same here...
..and it’s a list he will have to play his way off it. Respect is earned, Boley, and not taken for granted.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 30, 2009 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
No one
is asking Boley to bow and scrape in abject humiliation, but his inability to accept criticism for an obvious bad effort reveals an immature nature. Being able to accept criticism is necessary to coachability in a player. Maybe Boley created some coaching problems for BS?
it's one thing to brush off criticism from any old Joe six-Pack like you or I...
…but this is a HOFer at your very position, a man cherished by the organization whose insight commands respect. Way to go about winning over the folks upstairs in your first year, Boley…
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 30, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions
Cowboys/Eagles
Is it just wrong to root for the giant scoreboard to fall from the ceiling during play?
Step-up is right..Harry Carson was a leader..
1) The smartest player I ever met
2) A true leader on the field and in the locker room
3) He played hurt (Hello Boley?)
4) When he said something the team listened
5) He was and is a true gentleman off the field
6) If it wasn’t for his half-time tirade against the Vikings in ‘86 we wouldn’t have made it to the SB..The players were shocked..He actually busted up a chair and delivered an impassioned inspirational speech..Parcells stood by and just let him do the talking.
7) He’s in the HOF
8) His Jersey is still visible and will be in the new stadium..Boley..have a look at it everytime you run onto the field with reverence. Harry Carson is a GIANT
9) He’s done more for the community then most players have or ever will do..No nightclub shootings, drugs, drinking, suspensions, fines, big mouth antics, dirty foul play..etc..
10) HE INVENTED THE GATORADE BATH
These are my top 10 reasons why Harry Carson was one of the most proliferic MLBs in the history of the NFL..To have some “wanna-be” disrespect him is totally unacceptable..Boley will never amount to anything close to Harry Carson
BRAVO
GREAT POST!!!!!!!
Nothing more needs to be said.
+1000
Bravo Bobbi, Harry was and is a true GIANT!
by Late for Dinner on Dec 30, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions
Bravo Bobbi
you said it all about HC, even if Boley does’nt like it or agree with it just swallow your pride shut up and listen.
It's been a good decade
As my handle indicates, I root for other teams in sports that haven’t fared nearly as well, so the Giants are a breath of fresh air. Only the Colts have had a run of consecutive playoff appearances as long as that of the Giants until it was snapped this year, and we’ve only had a couple of stinkers (2003 and 4) this decade. Eli has basically proven to be the real deal, and he’s surrounded by a good core of players. And as said above, it’s not like this team needs to furiously rebuild in order to get back into contention next year.
I mean, it could be worse – we could root for the Redskins.
Steve Smith
Miles Austin. Each and every year there’s a Cowboy bias.
I'm not sure about bias..but it is crazy not having Smitty in there..
Austin is a good receiver, but hasn’t come close to what Smith has accomplished..The All-Pro selections have become mere “Fiction” based on the Fantasy Football bullshit..I think Smitty belongs there, and Eli..and Tuck..but I base my conclusions on pre-fantasy crap..and yes I have a little bias towards our guys, but will argue that it is minor..I’d like to know how 8 Vikings got in there???..I’ll tell you how..Aside from Allen who made it in on his own, Favre towed the rest of them in on his back.
The teams with the best records at probowl vote time
or have the most media recognition, usually have the most players.
Favre definitely helped them. If we swapped records with the vikes, Smith would be in for Rice, and maybe Eli for favre. Probably not though, since Favre’s name recognition would get him in over pretty much everyone (see last year).
The Bengals with no one? that’s unbelievable
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Your right on these points Will..
It goes to also prove how flawed the selections are..between the Media and Fantasy fan votes, the Coaches and players votes are a minority in the process. When I look at Dallas, did Witten deserve it?..Yes he sure did..On the other hand, did Austin deserve it?..No he did not. Our Smith deserved it..It has become a joke..and your also right..no Bengals?..Gime a break.
Miles (Jersey guy) deserved to be a pro Bowler
Unfortunatly every year a player gets on by reputation and that player this year is Larry Fitzgerald. He is the one who has Steve Smith’s spot.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 30, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions
Fitz got first receiver on reputation
but he deserved to be in it.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Michael Boley
won’t endear himself to Giants fans if he disrespects one of the Giant GREAT!
F*ck Boley.
Boley...
i see that it’s turned into a boley post….
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
sorry...hit enter too soon
but really i think he just may not know who HC is….maybe he doesn’t realize what he contributed to this team?!?!
it’s not like he pulled a Tiki on him….he just said that he doesn’t want to listen to opinions outside of the locker room.
it could just be a mistake…obviously tempers were flaring after that game.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Boley needs to take a good look at himself
He is clearly a reason why our run defense has been so crap this year. He is SOFT.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 30, 2009 1:01 PM EST reply actions
One more comment on Harry Carson...
I took my oldest Son who was 5 years old at the time to training camp (He is now 31)..After a morning practice, we were standing there watching them and Harry spotted my Son Erik..who had just learned to blow bubbles with bubble-gum..but had yet to master the bubbles from being popped on his cheeks..Mix in a little dust and Erik looked a mess..Well, when Harry was walking past he spotted my Son..walked over and picked him up in his arms and asked: “What is that all over your face?”..My Erik said in response with a whimper: "Bubble-gum!! "..Harry just laughed and set him down..My Son immediately made a ‘bee-line’ behind my leg to hide…I told Harry: “Yeah I’ll protect him”..We just laughed our butts off and talked for at least 15 minutes..That man is a very special man.
Great story
Harry was class all the way, a terror on the field and a great man off of it that story tells you what HC was all about. Harry was my Dads favorite player of that era too.
Yes he certainly was and is a class act..
I often wonder if we met again and Harry saw Erik..whether Harry would hide behind my leg..lol…I doubt it..lol
That was some LB crew
when Harry came aboard to join Kelly and Van Pelt. They were a tight knit group off the field as well. Harry was really broken up when Van Pelt died recently.
Yes he was saddened by Brads passing..He also helped LT get his act back together..
The guy is just an incredible, caring man…Another great guy was Rob Carpenter..and also George Martin..They had some really bright players back then..and they all came together as a unified group because of it..The term “Big Blue Wrecking Crew” was born from Harry Carsons tirade..His first and only shit-fit.
Carpenter..when you met and talked with him you'd wonder how the heck he could run with a football..
I was sorry to see him go before the SB year..Would’ve loved to see him get a ring.
George Martin
I played little league football against his son. . . his son was a QB I was a LB an I would chase him around trying to sack him. Big George would go to all of the games and a lot of the kids would ask for his autograph. I rememebr I begged my Dad if I could get an autograph, he finally caved in and said “do it quickly and don’t bug the man too much” lol. George was real nice he shook my hand and signed my piece of paper, I was sure not to bug him too much but he was very gracious even though I was probabbly annoying the piss out of him.
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