The Big Blue View All-Decade Team
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 30, 2009 8:56 AM EST
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As we say goodbye to 2009, Big Blue View has a look at the top Giants at their position for the last 10 years. If the Giants were lining up their top 11 on each side of the ball, this is what it would look like:
Offense:
QB: Eli Manning. Kerry Collins started the 2000's off strong for the Giants, who helped him resurrect his career, but Eli is in his 6th season, has a Super Bowl MVP trophy, a Pro Bowl appearance, and is in the midst of the best year of his career. Could be on his way to being the best QB the Giants have ever had.
RB: Brandon Jacobs. This was a tough call, with the great seasons Tiki Barber had before retiring to pursue a career as the next Suzy Kolber, but Jacobs has not only put up great numbers, but is a huge part of the formula for Giants success.
WR: Amani Toomer. The best wide receiver the Giants have ever had, although will probably have relinquished that title by the time we cover the next decade in 2019. For all the great wide receivers that have played in the NFL, I've never seen anyone better at getting his feet in bounds than Amani.
WR: Plaxico Burress: While his Giant career cannot be termed as anything but "tumultuous", there is no doubt about how many big catches he made while with the Giants, including one in Glendale, AZ that will play in our minds forever.
TE: Jeremy Shockey: Despite the fact that he is a pain in the rear loudmouth, the simple fact is that he's the most talented at the position the last 10 years.
OL: Chris Snee, Kareem McKenzie, David Diehl, Rich Seubert, and Shaun O'Hara.: Their ability to stay healthy and keep Eli well protected over the years puts them on this list together as a unit.
Defense:
DE: Michael Strahan: Simply the best at the position in Giants history, not just the last 10 years. Giants still miss his emotion on defense.
DE: Osi Umenyiora: Outplayed Strahan at times, and has carved out a nice career for a guy most Giants fans called "Who the hell is that?" on Draft Day 2003.
LB: Antonio Pierce: The emotional leader and QB of the defense, and while most Giants fans would agree his best days are behind him, the Giants have sorely missed him when he has been injured.
LB: Brandon Short: Flew somewhat under the radar during his 5 seasons in NY, but was a solid player who was among the team leaders in tackles during his first 4 seasons with the Giants.
LB: Michael Barrow: led the Giants in tackles three of his four seasons in the early 2000s.
CB: Will Allen: 5 solid seasons as a starter for the Giants, biggest knock on Will was his inability to make picks.
CB: Corey Webster: After a shaky start to his Giant career, turned it on during the 2007 season, and has become a reliable corner for the G-Men.
[Note: our "All-Decade" team has 3 corners, due to the fact that only one safety was worthy of making this list]
CB: Terrell Thomas: A surprise pick here, Thomas is only in his 2nd year, but his nose for the ball (6 INT's in two seasons), combined with his ability to be a blitzing corner puts him on the list. There has been talk around the NFL that he is on his way to becoming one of the elite corners in the league.
Safety: Gibril Wilson: played both safety positions for the Giants, led or tied for the team lead in picks twice.
K: Lawrence Tynes: It pains me to put a guy on this list who has missed so many gimme field goals and several extra points, but quite frankly the other options (Feely, Daluiso at the end of his career) weren't any better.
P: Jeff Feagles: One of the best to ever play the position, but should look at his inclusion on this esteemed list as the final icing on his career cake and ride off into the sunset.
Honorable Special Teams Mention:
David Tyree, for stellar play on special teams, and I thought the guy who made the biggest play of the Giants decade needed to be on this list.
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Sorry Jim
Tiki’s gotta go far ahead of big boy. And how come no DT’s?
by wilddre22 on Dec 30, 2009 8:00 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Missing In Action
No Tuck? Steve Smith? (even though this is his breakout season, he was solid last season and great in the playoffs)
no...
Plax and Toom have had much better 2000’s then his one season.
2010-2019 will be Steve Smith’s to have.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 30, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Whatever we think of Tiki now, he wins that battle easily.
I nominate Keith Hamilton for 1 DT spot. Any others?
Robbins
should get some consideration though….
solid guy…went under the radar there for a while…
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Um, Jessie Armstead?
Jessie was a pretty good LB, no? And I fully agree regarding the Hammer. That guy was terrifying.
Tiki was WAY better than Jacobs – say what you will about him now, (and really, can we get over it, people?) – but the guy ran his guts out.
I will say this – if it’s possible, Strahan may be underrated. He had the best technique ever. (with a nod to Reggie White…) Watching film of him is an absolute clinic. If Osi had Strahan’s technique, he’d be a much better player.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
DT's
I think Jim forgot that there is such a position on a football team. Easy to do since, you know, the Giants have just left that spot on the field vacant all season.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 30, 2009 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Fred Robbins and Cofield or Cornealius Griffen
Freddy has the longest tenure at DT this decade for the GIants 04-09 and despite his decline this year played well and was a very nice FA pick up in 04. The other D-Tackle position has been up in the air. I would love to say Keith Hamilton but he was here this decade for only 3 years I believe 2000-02 he had the best indivdual season for a D-Tackle this decade for the Giants in 2000 with 10 sacks. So by default you have to go with Griffith and Cofield becasue they started for 4 years each. Kendrick Clancey had a great year in 05 as a FA pickup but was only with the team for a year so you can’t put him down.
I'll take Hamilton still
He played as many seasons this decade as both Cofield and Griffin (4), so your argument against him doesn’t hold, and he was a MUCH better player than both. He was a Pro Bowl alternate in 2000, while neither of those guys sniffed such an honor.
I think Robbins is a good one though … I think its Hamilton & Robbins.
Agreed
Hamilton was a stud. I guess he played till 03 then I was’nt sure if 02 or 03 was his last year.
That being said
I checked the Hammer’s Wiki page and I didn’t realize he turned into such a dirt bag … he hit his son with a surge protector? I don’t remember that story at all.
Oh yea
I’ve never heard that story but I remember towards the end of his carrer he was picked up for DUI’s and might of had drugs in his car. He was a real scumbag. I remember Jim Fassel used to say that Hamilton was a scary guy when he got pissed off.
yikes...
i bet his son didn’t bring home any bad report cards after that….
don’t mean to make a joke of the situations but for heavens sakes Keith the kid was 12….
I hope that wiki entry isin’t accurate….
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
the wikipedia entry was probably written by Keith Hamilton's ex-wife... ;)
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 30, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
very possible....
had Keith Hamilton picked me up by the throat at age twelve and put a elbow into my chest I’d probably be dead…most would.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Hammer don't hurt em
Well, just read his Wiki page, other than the inccident with his son, I would say his rap sheet was pretty light compaired to LT’s LOL!
Anyway, Hammer was a great Giant, I wish he would have got a Ring with us, because he left it all out there on the field, Wish we had a guy like him on the team maybe he could bash Boley in the head a surge protector!
by Late for Dinner on Dec 30, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, i was wondering about DT's...
Can’t forget about the “hammer”
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Agree
I can’t stand Tiki, but you have to put him over Brandon for the 2000’s
by Late for Dinner on Dec 30, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Just a couple of ripes
Although you could argue his play lead us to a ring, and that Tiki turned out to be a malcontent to a degree that after we dumped him, like Shockey, we ended up winning the SB, there is NO WAY i would put Jacobs ahead of what Tiki contributed to this team. Tiki was MUCH the better player. I still contend Jacobs is a novelty and really nothing more. If you want to buy into the one year led us the ring theory, thats the only thing Jacobs has to stand on.
Brandon Short? Please.
This is the kind of thing
I can see going to a vote during the off-season to fill some time. I’ll add my voice to the chorus asking for a recount for Tiki.
Tiki
Have to agree with the Tiki chorus here. As much as we pick on him for the way he behaved at the end of his career and all, he is the best running back in franchise history.
It’s easy to snub Tiki if you are still emotional about him. But, he belongs.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 30, 2009 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
Vote
Remember that we have already done an All-Time Team that was voted on. Tiki and Frank Gifford were the backs.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 30, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Tyree
goes ahead of Plaxico just for that catch.
That’s the image of the NFL this whole Decade.
In fact, it’s a top 5 moment in NFL history.
Also, Plax sort of shot himself. That should disown him
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
hmmmm
Tiki by far ruled the decade, Jesse Armtead anyone ?…can’t put C Web. & TT on the list yet…Will Peterson or Sehorn..Keith Hamilton..shld be here as well as cornelius griffn …hell no to brandon short….I wld put K mitchell ahead of him….
i dunno maybe I just like the colors
by Mr.Williams on Dec 30, 2009 9:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Armstead
He was only a Giant until 2001, and he was fading by then. That linebacker pick was tough.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 30, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
no Luke
Tell me Petigoat wasn’t more deserving than Diehl ?
i dunno maybe I just like the colors
by Mr.Williams on Dec 30, 2009 9:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions
+1
good stuff right there!
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 30, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Seriously.
Diehl the seventh-rounder has been the anti-Petigoat, and Giant fans are grateful for it.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
Tiki vs Jacobs
Not even close….sure Tiki’s mouth vs Jacobs bashing the playclock at Cowboys stadium in a playoff game gives Jacobs the sentimental vote but Jacobs is not even close to the player Tiki was in all aspects of the game. I don’t even think it’s debatable Tiki is a boarderline HOFer Jacobs might be at the end of the line after 5 seasons.
If your going with 3 Corners
you have to put Sehorn on over TT. Sure he’s a pretty boy that was never the same after busting up his knee in 98 but he was pretty good from 2000-2002, he had a knack for big plays playoff game vs Eagels comes to mind.
If you're going to do 3 corners becasue no saftey is worthy
then maybe we only go with one D-tackle and go 3 D-Ends
Strhahn, Osi, Tuck, with Hamilton in the middle. Fast Fredie as the alternate.
Tiki has to be #1
Even on the list of NYG All-Time RBs, with Morris, OJ and Rodney. Jacobs has not shown he can be the lead horse for even a full season, let alone a decade
How about the all bust team for a few laughs
QB – Jessie Palmer
RB – Dorsey Levens
RB- Ron Dayne
WR – Tim Carter (could of gone to Ron Dixon but he had 2 TD’s in the playoffs)
WR – Sinorice Moss
TE – Pete Mitchell
OL – Guy Wimper, Chris Bober, Wayne Lucier, Mike Rosenthal, Adam Koets.
DE’s Kenny Holmes, Kieth Washington
DT’s William Joseph, Rocky Bernard
LB’s Lavar Arigton, Barret Green, Dhanti Jones (honarable mention to Carlos Edmonds he sucked)
Safteys Will Demps, C.C. Brown
CB’s Ralph Brown & FRank Walker
Kicker – Jay Feely (I could care less what he’s done or did or any stat you can provide his 3 missed FGs vs Seattle in 05 cost the Giants Home field advantage in the playoffs that year and I still can’t stand the guy casue of it)
Punter – That guy we had before Feagles
Hey, I gotta stick up for a couple of those guys though.
Arrington was about to break loose when he got hurt again.
And Mike Rosenthal wasn’t that bad for a late-rounder.
Whew – the rest of ’em sure do suck, though.
Can we add Gerris Wilkinson?
I left my swagger in my other pants.
he he
Arrington in 06 was like Jacobs this year you kept hearing how he was going to break out then he made one nice play in a win vs Dallas then boom he was done for the year . . . he sucked. I thought about G. Wilkisnon the thing was these other guys sucked more becasue so much more was expected. Barret Green was supposed to be really good and was a big FA signing but kept getting hurt and never amounted to anything, Boley is on that path. Carlos Edmonds was solid with the Eagles but just slowley aged with the G-Men he was worse and slower than Danny Clark ever was. It’s scary looking at the LB position for the Giants over the past 10 years it’s been AWFUL there were so many guys that were busts.
Other than the scrubs I mentioned Rosenthal was the only guy that maybe did’nt belong. O line has been the opposite of LB over the past 10 years very few busts. So to make 5 I had to include Rosenthal there was really nobody else. The Giants had some solid O-linemen over the years.
What the What?!
Tiki career rushing
games-154, att-2217, yds-10449, TDs-55, avg. yds/carry-4.7
Tiki career receiving
rec-586, yds-5183, yds/rec.-8.8, TDs-12
Total Yds from scrimmage-15632
Jacobs career rushing
games-70, att-779, yds-3455, TDs-40, avg. yds/carry-4.4
Jacobs career receiving
rec-58, yds-543, yds/rec.-9.4, TDs-3
Total Yds from scrimmage-3998
As far as the decade list, removing 97-99 of Tiki’s career, brings his total yrds from scrimmage to 13,441. That’s almost 10,000 more yards than Jacobs!
Shockey
was a heck ‘uv a player. I know that. Just never did like him. You sure we can’t put Bavaro in that spot?
Yeah
my fandom spans Bavaro’s days…..just tryin’ to be funny. I’ll swallow my dislike for Shockey in the interest of blog site tranquility.
LOL!!!..Mark Bavaro is on our all-time team for sure!!..Jolly!
Alot of folks were amazed at his ability to carry half the defense on his back for an extra 10-20 yards..I was also, but I have to tell you I was most amazed at his cereal bowl..That guy had a cereal bowl the size of a damn hot-tub..and his favorite?..Cheerios..His spoon looked like a huge ladle..That guy was one wild and crazy guy on the field..and very shy off of it..Never had any troubles off the field, but a major headache on the field for opponents.
Disagree. (Partially.)
Shockey had a ton of talent, which he’s still never fully developed.He’s just never cared enough to get good at route running, which is weird considering how much he whines if he doesn’t get the ball enough. (Oddly, he’s become a really good blocker.) But if I had a nickel for every time he turned left-when-it-shoulda-been-right or vice-versa, I could afford a PSL.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
out with Angie...
…come to think of it, I hope BJ isn’t going through now what Sehorn (or Tiki, for that matter) did at the tail end of his career, when off-field activities seem to generate more interest than playing football.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 30, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
WOW
That list goes to show just how long it has been since the Giants have had great Linebackers — 70s 80s 90s — always had great linebackers — what happened?
I've been saying that for some time now...
…Armstead was the last really good one we have had.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 30, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, no kidding?
When you pick Brandon Short for an all decade team, then you know your desperate. IMO, he was on the fringe of being solid at best!
Tiki over Jacobs?
I know I’m a Tiki guy but that’s ridiculous. I was a big fan of Brandon Short being from PSU, but I never saw that guy on game day unless he was getting a penalty. Obviously LB’s have been a big weakness. I’m a big Chase Blackburn fan but he was mostly a backup. Maybe Dhani Jones. Yikes, I just looked over the rosters, I guess it has to be Short. Will Allen is also a pick that makes me kinda vomit in my mouth. I seem to remember Shaun Williams was a first rounder and was really good. I’d rather see him there at safety then Will Allen at CB. I like the TT pick though.
Yea Williams was pretty good
he never became a great player but showed flashes at times and was a solid performer.
Jacobs is going to have surgery.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/12/30/brandon-jacobs-is-going-under-the-knife/
Ignore the Mainstream Media, EMBRACE THE HATE!!!!
sucks
good luck big boy, get well, although alot of ahem fans have already thrown you to the wolves, i for one hope you recover well and are ready for the start of ‘10. Guess he wasn’t bsing us on the knee issue huh?
His knee didn't look all that bad to me..All season
Hell, he took a swing pass to the house just two weeks ago..I’d be real curious as to the extent of this just announced injury..Don’t be too quick to give him an excuse for his performance this year…I suspect it is minor..Just because they announced he is having surgery tells me nothing..I’m more worried about Bradshaw..He definitley played hurt all year on two documented, injured feet..I don’t see any “pro-active” plans to fix him up. He’ll wear his boot again this week and start and gain 6+ per carry, probably more with BJ headed to the “Mash Tent”.
I only see 10 players on offense.
How about Madison Hedgecock for FB? Great lead blocker with a fantastic name.
+1
there’s the right way, the wrong way, and the Charles Way…
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 30, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Way never played a down in the 2000's
He was done by 98 or 99 because of neck injuries. Remeber Comella was the fullback in 2000 he caught the second TD pass from Kerry in the title game. Hell I vote Comella for FB
Id take Tuck
over Osi. Osi did well because Strah got the attention. Tuck had two good seasons as the focus of the blocking scheme for everyone we played. Also is always around the ball.
you know i just realized that....
LOL….it really is…
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Linebackers
What a poor reflection of the Linebackers who have played for the Giants in the last 10 years. Pierce is the only Linebacker on the list that is better than average and Pierce has never been a “game changing” player. No Linebacker who played for the Giants in the last 10 years could have gotten of the bench for the Giants in the 1980’s. I guess it is reflection of the 4-3 rather than the 3-4
I think Antonio Pierce
from 2006 could’ve played ILB next to Carson.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 30, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions
tiki is a total jagov, but i still have to go with him too
though jacobs does have this going for him, which may be one f the best things ever.
Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.
No FB?
Id go with Comella, was Charles Way still playing in the 00’s? He wouldve been great had it not been for the injuries
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
I gotta give the nod to Jim Finn...
…if only for sentimental reasons (we were in the same graduating class in college)
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 31, 2009 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
sorry
but tiki was twice the back jacobs is. and terrell thomas is trbl!
by jerseybillfromva on Dec 30, 2009 9:50 PM EST reply actions
Landeta's team
was hilarious
I gotta put Will Allen, Carlos Edmonds and Gerris Wilkinson on that team though. Subbed for Dhani Jones (how would he look on this year’s team), Lavar Arrington (not fair to include him b/c of injury) and wasn’t Ralph Brown a safety? Allen goes there.
As for all decade, I thought Will Pete was better than Will Allen. Seahorn definitely replaces Thomas even if it was a couple of years. That’s all Thomas has been here. I agree with Hammer and Robbins at DT and Tiki at RB.
Thanks
Ralph Brown was corner.
You’re right about Dahni Jones he’s actually pretty good this year for Cincy, but when he was here he thought he was a lot better than he was and he used to do that stupid guitar dance when he would make his one play a game despite lossing 38-7. He aggrevated the crap out of me so thats why I put him on over Wilkinson.
Will Pete or William James as he’s known as now was defenatily better than Will Allen he was just more injury prone but was more of a playmaker.
Will Allen's actually pretty good for the Dolphins all these years.
Interesting that they get him and Gibril Wilson and they are pretty good for them.
At least the Giants got something out of Sam Madison….
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 31, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
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