New York Giants Notebook: 12-3-09
by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 3, 2009 7:00 AM EST
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Good Morning Giants fans, let's take a look at the stories making the headlines for the Giants today:
Michael Boley has joined the injury report with a sore back. (NY Times)
In meeting with the media yesterday, Tom Coughlin talked about what it will take for the Giants to get their confidence back:
Confidence comes with persistence, difficulty, repetition, and finally with success. I think we will do everything we can to put ourselves in that frame of mind this week. We practiced well on Monday, quite well to be honest with you. I don’t have an awful lot to complain about with the way in which we practice. We just have to make some things happen on the field to go ahead and substantiate it, and that’s how you build confidence.
When Eli spoke to the media yesterday, he lied to them when asked about the Giants psyche:
I think the psyche is fine. We’ve got to know that this is the same team that started 5-0. You look at it offensively, it is the same guys that started the first game who are in the huddle. We have the ability and the talent to go out there and play great football and win games. We’ve got to expect that from ourselves. There is no reason not to just because you go through a little stretch where you are not playing your best. It is still the same guys, it’s still the same team that got off to a great start, the same team that beat this team in Dallas in front of 105,000 people. We’ve just got to go out there and have confidence in ourselves, know that we can go out there and play great. We’ve just got to do it.
I couldn't disagree more. After the beatings at the hands of the Saints and Eagles, this team has become a shell of itself.
Ernie Palladino's Giants Beat: Goff Starting
It looks like Tom Coughlin has decided to see what young Jonathan Goff can do at middle linebacker. He took all the first-unit snaps today ahead of Chase Blackburn, which means he's been moved to starter. They let Blackburn know of the move Monday, and as you'll see, the feisty backer has accepted it. Now it's up to Goff, the Giants' fifth-rounder last season, to see if he can offer suitable replacement value for Antonio Pierce.
More after the jump...........
James takes a verbal jab at Giants | Dallas Cowboys | Star-Telegram.com
"I know what I’m supposed to say," James said as media gathered around his locker, "but I’m going to deviate a little bit. We don’t like them; they don’t like us. It’s no way of getting around that. "People have been saying this is their season -- what they’re playing for. This is our season too. Because we go in and we beat these guys, we don’t really have to worry about them coming back to haunt us." James said that after the Giants defeated the Cowboys in September, Giants players wrote messages on the wall of the visiting locker room. He said that New York quarterback Eli Manning wrote the final score of the game. "Those guys are in there writing on the wall after the game, after they won. They like to keep it full of drama. For us, we’ve got to go out there and just win. I don’t care how we do it. I don’t care if it’s by 30 or a point. We just need to take care of business and get rid of these guys right now."
They wouldn't be the Cowboys if they weren't running their mouth.
Does anyone have O.J. Anderson's phone number? The Giants look to be short at RB going into Sunday's game with Dallas. (Pro Football Talk)
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Time for the G-Men to show up
Let’s see… Coach Cupcake whining about getting respect although he has done absolutely jack, except choke in big spots. Romo takes a vacation after the Raider game, the ‘turds still poppin’ off at the mouth and oh yeah, it’s December again. I think I’ve heard this music before…
lets see what all this Goff talk is about
finally we get to see if he is the heir apparent. i won’t hold my breath, because i don’t wanna die….
considering the LB is not sheding blocks....
and not tackling …
yea it does.
"It ain't over till its over"---
When you got holes at all 3 levels....
It wont make much difference! Speaking of Dead Horse….Giants week is not the same without Jacobs running his mouth. His silence speaks volume!
Jacobs
Has been quiet and yes he has nothing to talk about.
By the way did Romo enjoy the Vegas trip? I suppose it makes a change from Cancun and Jessica.
by G Fan in England on Dec 3, 2009 9:02 AM EST up reply actions
I guess we'll see Sunday if Tony bet on the Giants or the Cowboys....
"It ain't over till its over"---
It sounds like you're saying
that we have bad players all over our defense but that it doesn’t matter who the players are. I think you’re trying to knock our DC maybe??
Romo
Nice of you to drop by and share your thoughts with us.
Let’s see now the Giants give up 107.8 yards per game which is good for 11th in the league and compares to the Cowboys who are 9th with 102.7 yards per game. So can you clarify your point please.
I note that the Cowboys are 21st in pass defence in yards per game and given we beat you with the passing game in week 2 can we apply your logic and say you can’t stop the pass whoever plays at CB and S?
by G Fan in England on Dec 3, 2009 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
The Trenches will tell the story sir...
With a defense that had 5 new starters, there is a big difference between week 2 and now. Coach cupcake has this D playing lights out! We are gelling. You guys are falling apart.
With the Vegas trip, Romo was at Valley Ranch Friday for treatment and he made it back the next morning for Saturday treatment. Players nursing injuries report early everyday. (required)
I can think of alot worse. He could have went to a nightclub and shot himself in the leg!
Romo,
you’re sort of inflammatory and trolling. Taking a lot of shots. Let’s just talk football and this game instead!
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 3, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Romo
Romo I know you guys beat the raiders down and everthing but geez the packers took you guys apart and the skins basically snatched defeat from the jaws of victory against Dallas. The Cowboys come into this match up with a lot of holes too. On top of that this is a NFC East game so you can throw the records of the teams out the window (if you didn’t learn that from the skins game your not paying attention) In other words the cowboys are by no means elite this year, if the coach cupcake and the rest of the crew loose make sure you show your butt back up on this board because your talking way to much.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 3, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Hmmm..with a name like RomoHomo..
I can certainly understand your thoughts on “Trenches”.
Why are you guys arguing
with someone named “RomoHomo”? that right there eliminates him from any discussion groups of mine.
It would matter if
Our DT’s had a resemblance of at least average play. LB’s cannot do too much if C/G’s are constantly bearing down on them!
Giants Linebackers
We carried 9 backers on the 53 this year and so far Sheridan only trusts 4. Goff getting his shot is progress let’s hope Sheridan finally realizes Danny Clark is old and slow and gives another guy a shot to step in the the starting lineup (Sintum or Kiel) I mean Danny Clark gets pushed around the field like his is on roller skates, what the hell are the other backers on the team if none of them can beat Clark out.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 3, 2009 4:10 PM EST up reply actions
Give Goff a chance
Is he going to be any worse than AP or Chase.
The chances are he has the physical tools to play the position and get sideline to sideline etc.
Yes, he may get caught out on playaction or coverage, but AP was exposed by Westbrook last year – so he may make rookie mistakes but he could also turn into a pleasant surprise.
If Sintim can get some playing time and Boley is fit we may be looking at our future LB Corp for several years.
This game is a big test of the team’s character – if they lose they lose but we all want to see some passion and commitment.
by G Fan in England on Dec 3, 2009 7:25 AM EST reply actions
+1
Physically Goff is definitely better than AP & Chase. Hopefully he has learned enough to be where he’s supposed to be, which has been a huge problem with this D.
I wouldn’t expect to see much of Sintim with Goff in the middle, seeing how Sintim doesn’t know his assignments yet.
Right on w, G and pot
at long last. we’ll find something out about the guy.
believe i'm def. giving him a chance
i’m just not holding my breath…seeing as he’s been on the team for awhile and hasn’t cracked the linebacker rotation until now. it worries me. you would think tom would have seen something in him that would have elevated him into the rotation before now.
and once again, i’ll defend AP on that westbrook play. name any linebacker in America that can defend BW coming out of the backfield. give AP a break on that one – you can kill him other ways, but not on that one!
And
That dump pass happened about 7 seconds into the play. McNabb shouldn’t have still been on his feet or in the pocket.
OK Ok
was it AP who overran the pass play to Buckhalter in the playoff game that led to a big 3rd down conversion?
by G Fan in England on Dec 3, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
It was...
After that game i was saying that AP lost that game for us. On two big third and longs he had opportunities to make plays that would have given us an opportunity to win. These two plays were not even that difficult – he just failed to make them.
He is to slow. “smarts” can only get you so far and thats why we pay coaches.
Ill take a team of 52 Manninghams minds vs 52 APs minds as long as we are winning.
as i said
you can kill him for other things. just not for that play. no one could’ve held westbrook in check for that long.
and when you take a team of 52 manninghams you would regret what you put out there every sunday. trust me, your seriously underrating the cerebral part of the game. See week 2 on the audible vs. the cowboys if you don’t believe that. it’s all about balance. gotta have talent out there, but you also have to have the Eli’s and the AP who line that talent up in the right places.
Physically Goff is definitely better than AP
The NFL is about mental, thats how and undrafted guy like AP becomes a player in the league. Let’s pray Goff has been in the playbook.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 3, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
I share your concern (and an anxious to find out)
As for the Westbrook play, you’re right, he should be cut slack on that one.
why does Eli even bring up the fact that we were 5-0?
yeah, we we’re and 4 of those game we’re against some of the worst competition in the NFL. congratufreakinlations!
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
yea...
cuz those teams didn’t get wins against the Giants playoff competition.
Gotta beat who’s in front of you.
If the Packers or Eagles took care of business…the Giants would already be planning golf trips.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 3, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
exactly...
and we haven’t been able to beat the elite teams…that have been in front of us….so let’s stop talking about the fact that we beat the bad ones.
for once i’d like to hear someone on the giants say it like it is…
we’re playing like crap, we’re getting embarrassed, we’re not motivated.
all this “oh well we we’re 5-0” talk is like rubbing salt into my wounds. Now we’re 6-5 and on the outside looking in. I guess when the years over we can all hang our hats on the fact that we beat the crap outta Wash, Oak, KC, and TB….while we’re watching Philly and Dallas represent the East in the playoffs.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I admire
Eli for lying. Other than saying nothing, which he can’t do, then lying is the next best option. Telling his perception of the truth would only cause trouble. I think the Bradylike calm speaks well of him.
I'm not going to get into all this "Trash-Bashing" bullshit..
I want to see our guys run the damn pigskin and stop them from running it..Passing is NOT going to get it done in the Meadowlands on a December blustery day..So if we prevent them from pasting us for 250+ yards, and our resident battering ram keeps quiet and starts running the ball instead of his mouth we can win..we have to win..Compare schedules if we get by Dallas and Philly, then we have a good shot at entering the Tourney..Dallas has the Eagles Chargers and Saints..That will not be easy…Picking on Phillips, Romo, James…who gives a good dump about that..Our guys need to get in there and be relentless, I want to see Starred helmets laying all over the field Sunday..in other words HIT, TACKLE, BLOCK, RUN..This is it, the whole damn season is on the line in the next two weeks..I don’t give a shit if they sign Forrest Gump to play MLB..as long as they all HIT, TACKLE, BLOCK, RUN…
And, what do you expect Eli to say?..He been saying the same party-line all damn year..What’s suddenly new about that?
Sheesh, Bobbi,
why are you always so reuctant to let us know how you really feel? Spit it out, man. We’re all friends here.
Yea
Boobi annoys me with all his sitting on the fence comments.
Only joking Bobbi – keep up the posts if only to gee us all up!
by G Fan in England on Dec 3, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
No Problem G...
I’ve been called “Boobi”..before..lol..and you can only sit on a “Picket Fence” for so long before your ass starts to hurt..Hopefully, our entire teams asses are really hurting come Sunday..and they take some pain out on the Cowboys.
before the game...hopefully.
cuz if their asses are hurting at the end of the game…well, you know why.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 3, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Well George..
I guess because I am shy..I’ll try harder..lol
Play Gartrell
I hope we see a lot of Gartrell Johnson vs Cowboys. Something/someone has got into Brandon’s head and he seems to have lost confidence. Bradshaw is injured. I think we need some desperation, do or die. If Gartrell doesn’t make a splash then he has only got a few more games left on the roster, assuming they don’t trade Jacob’s next year and keep Gartrell as 3rd line RB. In my view he really has got a personal reason to make a show. I generally have not been in favour of throwing the ‘young bucks’ in just because the vets can’t get it done, what chance do they have. However, I am starting to see the logic … maybe just the desperation of that solution. Take Hixon out of the WR corps and include Barden, good to include Goff, Beatty, Sintim. Not sure if it is a American saying, but certainly common enough in UK … now is the time to ’Put up, or shut up."
He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.
I'd like to see a lot of him
on Sun. myself. “Put up,” etc is common here as well. Did you ever tell us how you became interested in American footbal? I’m curious about how that happened with you.you and other overseas Giants fans. Also, I’ve been meaning to ask where that quote that refers to Sinatra comes from. It’s sort of dated, but I’ve heard that the bespoke Dupioni silk, narrow lapel suit, displaying 1/2" of white cuffs with gold links is coming back. (Maybe with the fedora as well.) I’ll believe it when I see it.
Haha please indulge me, or ignore this post
The quote about Sinatra is directly related to my experience of BBV. I commented a few weeks ago about how I have to smile when people here post “stay classy” when the trolls are visiting. My sons love the film Anchorman: The Legend of Ron Burgundy so it has been played a lot in our house over the years. In that film Ron Burgundy’s anchor line at the end of each news broadcast is ""Stay classy San Diego". So I got thinking about the film and the quotation is taken from the start of the film when they are introducing the Ron Burgundy character (played by Will Ferrell, who I dislike intensely).
Regarding NFL. When growing up in North London there was no NFL on the TV until a pom called Mick Luckhurst (ex-Falcons Kicker) fronted a one-hour weekly summary show on national TV, it was a real minority interest show. That was my first exposure to American Football, but I was hooked. It must have been when the Giants were doing well because I decided to support them. It could have been any team at that point. Anyway, that was 25-30 years ago now. I remember it was when there was real rivalry between the Giants and the Bears, who had Jim McMahon as their QB. The tv station started showing the SB and I remember watching that awesome 49s team with Joe Montana, Jerry Rice. Great memories … all my mates thought I was mad!
He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.
Thanks.
Quite interesting. McMahon’s from my home town. What a character. He could have been one of the greatest had he not torn up his shoulder so early. Hell of an arm before that. I saw a game on TV where he completed a throw on the run to the opposite side of the field that went fifty yards downfiled. As you can see from Favre this season, they now know how to deal with shoulder injuries like that.
Ron Burgundy? Never would have guessed that.
McMahon..Geez
What a QB..and an entertaining nut to go along with it..That was one hell of a team they had back then..and they played for a nut..Ditka…Brings back fond memories..Truly an invincible team with personality to go along with it..Probably one of the best teams ever assembled.
Now that is a great story!
I am happy you chose the right team..Once you get hooked on this game there is no turning back..haha
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