'Kudos & Wet Willies:' Forget the 'Kudos,' again
by Ed Valentine on Dec 28, 2009 6:00 AM EST
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PrintFor the second time this season, I can't think of a single New York Giants player worthy of 'Kudos' following an embarrassing loss.
Not a single player, or coach, deserves praise after a humiliating performance on what should have been a tremendous occasion. The final regular-season game for the team at Giants Stadium, with several legendary players on the sideline, and a playoff berth at stake.
Instead, the Giants turned in a monumentally embarrassing performance. I can't call it "effort," because there wasn't much of that. Greats in attendance like Lawrence Taylor, Carl Banks and Joe Morris have to be ashamed of what they witnessed.
That was about as far from what we have come to consider Giants football -- especially defensively -- as you can get.
As I did earlier this season, I will 'exempt' a handful of players and coaches from the 'Wet Willies.' That is as close as I will get to saying anything nice about anyone today.
Wet Willie 'Exemptions' ...
- OFFENSE: I will exempt Eli Manning, Ahmad Bradshaw, Steve Smith and Kevin Gilbride. Manning did what he could while being sacked four times, taking a beating, and getting pretty much no help from anyone else offensively. Bradshaw at least made a few plays, and Smith had a typical effort. Gilbride was brilliant on the first drive, and there wasn't much he was going to do the rest of the way to change the outcome. There are no play calls that magically erase 31-point deficits after three quarters.
- DEFENSE: I will exempt Justin Tuck. I thought about exempting a couple of other defensive players, but they all need to share in the blame for Sunday's disastrous non-effort. Tuck had eight tackles, a half-sack and was one of the few players who showed real energy throughout the game.
Wet Willies ...
In fact, I might even call these doube-barreled Wet Willies. Particularly defensively, there should not be a single Giant who feels good about what he did Sunday.
- Bill Sheridan: Where to begin with this? Sheridan probably gets a seasonal achievement 'Wet Willie,' for coordinating quite possibly the most disappointing Giants defense since the 'Wilderness Years' of the 1970s. Much of what happened Sunday is on players simply getting beat -- blown off the line of scrimmage, missing easy tackles, losing coverage, etc. But, this is Sheridan's unit and this is the fourth time the Giants have given up more than 40 points this season. Defense was supposed to lead this team, and in a way it has. It has led this team straight into a train wreck, and Sheridan has to get a large chunk of the blame. How could he think having Kevin Dockery -- a corner back the Giants have spent the season trying not to play -- shadow Carolina's Steve Smith would work? I know the ineptitude of this defense is not entirely Sheridan's fault, but he has to shoulder his share of the blame. Injuries hurt this team, and the talent isn't what we thought, but it should be better than this. Bye, bye, Bill. Have fun working on Steve Spagnuolo's staff in St. Louis next season.
- Osi Umenyiora: Osi had lots to say after Sunday's game. As far as I'm concerned the stat sheet -- which Osi does not appear on -- says even more. He believes he is a great defensive end, which he used to be. Now, though, he is a liability. He might just get his wish and be an ex-Giant next season.
- Fred Robbins and Rocky Bernard: Good riddance to both of 'em. Aging defensive tackles who have spent the season being dominated inside. Chris Canty has often been in that category this season, as well. At least Sunday, Canty made four tackles, had a half-sack and got in the backfield a couple of times.
- Brandon Jacobs: Six carries for one yard? One stinkin' yard? I love the big fella, but it sure would have been nice to see him do something Sunday besides run up to the line of scrimmage and fall down as soon as he got touched. If the Giants wanted to see that, they could bring back Ron Dayne. Can the Giants go forward with Jacobs as their featured back? I need to think about that one more when I'm not as aggravated as I am right now.
- Kevin Dockery, Terrell Thomas and Michael Johnson: It wasn't fair to ask Dockery to try and cover Steve Smith. After all, the Giants have admitted Dockery is terrible by barely playing him all season. But, it sure would be nice if Dockery didn't whiff on so many tackles. Watch him play, and you see why he hardly ever does. As for Thomas, not a good day when Muhsin Muhammed is running by you for touchdowns. Johnson is a guy I used to have high hopes for, but I no longer think he is a starting caliber NFL safety. Too many missed tackles, and his pass defense is atrocious.
- The rest of the defense (excluding Tuck): Tom Coughlin expressed his displeasure with the defense this way.
"For us to play the way we did today, there is obviously no excuse for it. We didn’t tackle well. We didn’t play with great energy. We didn’t do anything to deserve any kind of break at all. We didn’t get it. We didn’t hustle. We didn’t get any turnovers. How many times did a very good runner break through some arm tackles today?"
Here, from the Giants PR staff, are some numbers on how awful the defense was Sunday.
Carolina played without leading rusher DeAngelo Williams but still ran for 247 yards, the most yards on the ground the Giants ever allowed in Giants Stadium. The previous high was 242 in a strike-replacement game vs. San Francisco on Oct. 5, 1987. Their previous high rushing total allowed in a non-strike game in Giants Stadium was 239 yards vs. Dallas on Nov. 9, 1980 in a 38-35 Giants victory. The 247 rushing yards were the most the Giants have allowed in any home game since Dec. 8, 1968, when the St. Louis Cardinals ran for 277 yards in a 28-21 victory over the Giants in Yankee Stadium.
Jonathan Stewart, who started for Williams, rushed for 206 yards on 28 carries, the third-highest individual total ever against the Giants.
- Mario Manningham: A fumble that killed any potential Giants' momentum early in the game. Manningham has great ability -- sadly, though, it is great ability to help both teams at the same time.
- Madison Hedgecock: His day summed up the Giants' futility. Cost them one touchdown with a holding penalty (at least it was an obvious one -- a beautiful take down), and dropped a touchdown pass. At least he was consistent in not helping the offense at all.
I could probably go on, but that's about all I can stand. Feel free to add your own 'Wet Willies.'
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Ed, you have made me think twice on Gilbride. His play calls are truly maddening sometimes, but the Offense is not the problem on this team. We’re averaging north of 24 ppg and that is pretty darn good in the NFL. The problem is the Offense presses too much knowing they have to get in a WAC style shootout, not to win, but just to keep it close. That recipe bore fruit this year and as we all know, someone has to take the hit. Bye-bye, Bill.
Whoever is back next year besides Tuck, needs to EARN their jobs. No more loyalty. Guys have to prove themselves all over again like there is a new coaching staff, or else there will be a new coaching staff.
That I agree with
When you press you make turnovers, because you take chances knowing you can’t afford NOT to score. KG isn’t perfect, but offense is not the issue with the Giants.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 28, 2009 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
I hate KG .....
but I agree. KG has done a good job this season.
You know whats odd about KG
As this season has regressed and it’s coming to an end, for me personally when i think about the issues, KG has been steadily being moved to the back burners. It’s as if, he’s the least of our problems!
When BJ comes up, my mind immediately turns
to the outrage Goose elicited with his tiptoeing comment. Now, with good reason, it seems no BBVer has any praise for the big guy.
As for Robbins, WOD he’s been a bust this year. I remember how he gave up his body for the team last year and would like to see him get a shot at keeping his job in another training camp before giving up on him now.
Rocky Bernard is a total puzzle to me. He’s so bad that I can’t come up with so much as a dollop of justification for giving him a contract in the first place.
agreed
I agree with all the willies & exemptions..-in defense of bj…there was no where for him to go…I was at the game in the endzone it seemed as if as soon as eli handed the ball off there was a player at the rb’s feet…
Eli didn’t have his best game..the d was ok for the first few drives well except for 3rd downs ha…kudos to the tailgaters it numbed the effects of the game. For me !!
i dunno maybe I just like the colors
by Mr.Williams on Dec 28, 2009 7:36 AM EST via mobile reply actions
For me kudos to the Man Show
for having something that could slightly brighten my mood after I turned the Giants game off.
Because the G-Men weren't good enough this season; GO CINCY!
by ChuckyofNorris on Dec 28, 2009 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed on Jacobs
But, after watching a whole season of him not making plays, you have to wonder about the running back situation going forward.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 28, 2009 7:48 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree on Jacobs..
I’ll say it again..If AB can hit a hole on two bum feet, there is no excuse..Brandon’s only weapon this year has been his big mouth..He flat out stinks. He doesn’t deserve to be wearing a Giants uniform.
Jacobs...
when he was “normal” this season, like the Redskins game…wasn’t getting his big 20yd carries, but was eating away at the D and softening them up for Bradshaw.
Yet.in the Carolina game..Bradshaw showed its unnecessary to have that sort of back, AB did all his damage pretty much on his own.
Jacobs does need to go. I don’t care the cap hit.
Andre Brown or find a back with some speed who can catch. The Jets found Thomas Jones off the scrap heap, the Bengals struck gold with Cedric Benson.
Giants need to get something like this. Hell..trade Jacobs for Derrick Ward!
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 28, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions
We will still need
a multiback system but if Bjake can’t hit the hole fast enough and now is easily taken down by one defender, then it may be time to shed the powerback and get another quick shifty back like the tandem of Williams and Stewart.
exactly.
I said it below.
Bradshaw deserves to be here. The man is playing on all sorts of F-ed up limbs..and still was effective.
He’s not a guy the carry the load, so yea another RB would be nice. There’s more then a few out there….maybe by draft, maybe by FA.
But as they go now to an Eli Manning primarily led offense..they need a RB more in the line of McCoy on the Eagles, or Addai and Brown with Big Bro, or even the trio that the Cowboys have.
This big guy..who’s not gonna run hard..is useless.
Teams knew all year exactly what they’d do when they went with the I form and he was in there.
Get a faster guy. I big dude is fine…but not this big.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 28, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
That's not fair FB
now we’re punishing big boy for his size, when we lauded him for it before? Can’t have it both ways.
I think that his
size was lauded before because he was using his size, no so much this season. This season he was just a big guy that didn’t run hard. Don’t know if teams learned how to takle him or what but two years ago, there was no one that was a match for Bjake 1 on 1. This season, I’d take Laron Laundy in a 1 on 1 match.
i hope your jesting on the landry comment
there’s no bigger geek in the game. but yes i understand what you and FBrad is saying, i just think we’re making a final judgement, when it is not to be made yet. he is not 30, 31, he has not been used the way Larry Johnson was, and Eddie George was. he is a young 27, in terms of carries. he rode the pine for 2 years behind Tiki, so lets not judge him done already. and i can point to many runs this season where he did hit that hole, and did finish hard, with 3 or 4 boys pulling him down like hyenas on an ox.
before we say he’s done, lets give him the benefit of the doubt. before this year he was all we wanted in a back.
Before this year...yes.
if we got the 2008 Jake..of coure he comes back.
This year…I dunno who the hell this guys is.
He should be able to power forward for 3 yards..at least, on every carry.
Hell…I can see it now, that there was a clause in his contract that he has to play in all 16 games in order for him to get extra money….there you go right there.
He’s not hungry anymore.
Backs break down fast.
Yes..he hasn’t had 400+ carries in one season. But he’s always in and out of the lineup during the course of the game cuz he’s hurt. That adds up.
He’s shot. He’s pissed me off to no end at times this year. Cut ties..move on.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 28, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
i just think we're jumping to drastic conclusions
this is the same argument Ed is having in the other post about TC. he JUST came off two 1000 yard seasons. not 2 years ago, not 3 years ago. last year.
he helped power us into the super bowl. yet we are willing to give TC a mulligan, but not big boy. not osi. do you know why? because players are expendable, its a mentality most of us have, whereas good head coaches are hard to come by.
Cut Jacobs, and start AB. back him up with a back that cant stay healthy, and another who tore everything in his leg and hasn’t proved anything yet. Absurd.
I agree Free, anyone who is 6’4" 265 should be able to fall over and get more than 1 yard on 6 carries. i will repeat, my #27 jersey is warming my feet on the floor where i launched it yesterday afternoon.
but cut him? no, that is knee jerk. make him fight for his job in training camp next year. and keep him on a short leash if he wins it. if he puts up 3.8 per again, jerk him out of there for ahmad, and reduce his role back to short yardage and goal line. maybe his fire will return.
now if he repeats this next year, i will be in your camp about being shot. but until this point in his career, nothing has shown me that he has made that turn downhill.
TC gets a mulligan, why not Jake?
Cuz TC is not the problem.
The running game being consistent was a problem.
Jake is a big reason of it.
I’m as loyal to players as the next (see:…not yelling at Eli right now…)
The guy simply didn’t show up this year.
Yes…he’s young. But he’s getting up there are far as RB’s are concerned.
He’s not a normal RB either. He’s just simply not a good back.
Now..WILL he get another year?
Probably. He’s signed and under contract. Hopefully he’ll work hard this offseason to figure what went all wrong.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 28, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
would you agree
that 1 is an abnormality, 2 is a pattern?
it was one year, so i will chalk it up to an off year.
and i could make the argument that the running game being a problem means that the coaching and schemes are the problem. that then, would fall on the lap of coach C.
Big boy deserves a mulligan, just like TC, is all i’m saying.
I would agree with you...
its just, Jake has had his shot all year.
He was pretty much the key.
He gets another year I guess…Its just looking back at home many times I said “Get this POS off the field”….I just can’t.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 28, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
In all fairness
at least 1/3 or 1/2 of jacobs carriers were delayed handoffs where Jacobs was tackled as soon as he got the ball.
Too bad he couldn’t play our defense, they’d probably whiff the tackles, and he’d have 100+ yards and 3 TDs
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Now I do.
His size has made him break down faster then most.
He’s a shell of his 2007 self.
He doesn’t use his size anymore.
If Bradshaw as 6"4 270…damn.
He’s not the same. He got his money..that’s it.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 28, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
I was watching the game with my brother who is a Giants fan
We both agreed Bradshaw should be getting a majority of the carries. Jacobs was standing straight up with no explosiveness, just getting stuffed. When Bradshaw hits the holes, he gets lower than he already is with his small frame, protects the ball, and explodes, comparable to Tiki Barber. (Please refrain from the “that’s what she said” comments)
Peppers punished Big Boy on that first play!
That one was on the o-line. but even i’m getting sick of the excuses for big boy. he’s not slowing down like some of you are suggesting, he’s only what, 27, 28? still a young man. my thing is….i just don’t know why big boy isn’t hitting the hole like he used to. it’s obvious the holes arent as big, and that’s an issue they need to address with the o-line in the offseason. but jake is running timid, there is no going around that issue.
big boy isn’t going anywhere. he still has value to the team. but i think there needs to be open competition next year for the starting spot. loser gets 30 – 40% of the snaps. maybe that’ll get the juggernaut to remember that starting in the NFL has to be earned, it’s not a birthright.
Maybe we need to rehire Strahan
not to play but as a motivator on the sidelines. He summed up my thoughts perfectly during the halftime show though, “You play like that you dont deserve to get into the playoffs.”
Because the G-Men weren't good enough this season; GO CINCY!
Strahan is too busy applying vaseline products to his elbows after improvised hotel room workout sessions...
…I’m glad to see he still works out, even on the go. It’s important to burn those excess calories from all of those $5 foot longs…
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 28, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I think BJ might be trade bait
though I doubt after this season teams will give up more than a 4th round pick. Ron Dayne is a perfect analogy the way he ran this year. His performance this year sums up the Giants as a team this year. Soft and overrated.
I would trade him for a quality saftey, D-Tackle or draft picks.
Ed this is the first time I’ve sensed some real anger in your post game kudos’ and wet willies and yesterdays performance deserves that. Just terrible on all fronts.
Anger
Well, I usually try to keep it in check. But, yes, as a fan how can you not be angry after that?
by Ed Valentine on Dec 28, 2009 7:49 AM EST up reply actions
I really doubt any team would want Jacobs
especially for a 4th rounder.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 28, 2009 8:02 AM EST up reply actions
Once Jacobs looks like Dayne
It’s time to cut your losses and move on. Earlier in the year and giving him the benefit of the doubt was one thing, but it’s apparent something is not right. Afterall, AB has had two bad wheels and to some degree, has done more with the same OL. Just another issue to put under the scope!
Every Giants fan on Earth SHOULD be angry...and..
What team is going to make an offer for Jacobs?
Probably nothing
His numbers this season really indicate what he is….SHOT.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 28, 2009 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Folks, we're kidding right?
No one is more disappointed than Brandon than i am (look at my avatar), i mean my #27 jersey is sitting at my feet where i threw it yesterday. but no one now wants the big fella, he has no trade value now, are you kidding me? this is why i often bring up the what have you done for me lately mentality that is shown here, and pretty much throughout humankind. Yes, we are all down on him. ALL of us. But let’s say we did try to trade him in the offseason. do you think no team would want a back who before this season had back to back 1000 yard seasons, averages close to 4 and a half a clip, and has 40 TDs for his career? that’s proposterous.
I'm angry Bobbiblue
and I think on my next Eggnog drink I’ll cut the Eggnog. I can’t think of anyone that would want a running back that requires an alley-wide hole that stays open for a count of 3 in order for him to gain yardage.
Really?
why?
Osi is coming off an injury..leads the team in sacks, and generally just is what he’s always been.
Jacobs is shot. Got his money..and probably will never be the same.
Osi may be back to his old self next season.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 28, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
The 2009 season could be considered a Wet Willie
Besides a couple of games, this season has been forgetable. There were a few individual achievements that were bright spots and something to build on, but other than that, there are too many issues to include in one sitting. This should at least make for an interesting off season with so much to debate!
Well, it's now ski season
Sundays have been opened up to hit the slopes.
Just a pathetic effort. It was pretty apparent that this D simply gave up on their DC.
by potroast on Dec 28, 2009 8:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions
wet willies as always to the officials
by stealing the Giants first seven, then giving the Cats a free 7 with that complete BS pass interference call, they effectively staked the Panthers to a 14-point spread that they built on quite effectively. Oh yeah, and the Giants sucked too much to overcome a stiff wind.
You play to win the game!
Don't know where to begin
What happened to the team that crushed the Skins? I know Carolina came in hot after upsetting the Vikings, but, man, did they want that game more than the Giants, or what? Is Osi trade bait at this point? How about Manningham? Would not mind trying to move up in the draft to address the multiple holes now on this team. Offensive and defensive lines, linebacker, safety, cornerback. Right now, I am hoping for an uncapped year to hopefully get a lot free agent talent in here.
Free agent talent?
It might be an uncapped year, but you still have to remember that the truly successful teams in the NFL are not the ones who go out and try to buy it. They build it w/the draft. Look at the Colts. Even the Eagles, though I hate to say it. The Steelers over the years. No way I want the Giants to start acting like the Redskins.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 28, 2009 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
I agree and to be honest
the FA’s they should go after this year are roll player types that are smart, versitle, and undervalued . . . think Leonard Weaver of the Eagles, or even AP back in 05 or Freddie Robbins in 04.
The safteys are god-awful, if they bring in an average FS in the offseason that’s smart they’ll have an immediate upgrade there. Rouse is OK but he’s a backup situaitonal SS he does not have the range to be a FS. Bring in a vetern O-linemen that can help transiton Deihl back to the middle and Beaty to LT, like a Lomas Brown or Glenn Parker type’s in 2000.
The Eagles have tried with big name FA’s too . . . Jevone Kerse Takeo Spikes, and Donte Stalworth, it did’nt work out they rebuilt there team with draft picks, the Giants rebuilt the WR position in two years with draft picks use that same apporach for some positions on D and supplement weak spots with FA’s. It’s always a risk but thats the best way to go.
I wasn't meaning...
to replace the whole team with free agents. But, adding a few is better than the draft to some degree. In my mind, I was strickly thinking offensive linemen and safetey here. Someone to plug a hole while young guys develop. Beatty looked good this year, but we still need to develop younger o-lineman. In my opinion, getting a solid, veteran tackle or guard is a must for depth and experience. Same situation for safety.
The draft and 2010 FA's
At this point, with the way things have turned out positionally, the Giants would be better off trading down to gain at least another pick, like a third rounder. No need to gamble on players and at the same time, giving up valuable picks.
As for an uncapped year, some scheduled FA’s next year will be disqualified to freely sign elsewhere. So this basically takes some of the quality out and then your left with short term veterans as a solution.
FA talent?
I’d say they have to get some FA’s.
But none like Canty…none even like Bernard.
No big money guys. Look for players like Boley. reasonable contracts, guys that would fit the system (new system..hopefully…)
But trading back is probably a good idea too in the draft. Shop some players would help.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 28, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
wrong analysis
The Redskins game the defense was only good in the first half .The second half the Redskins drove right through the giants defense and score on two consecutive drives. Also the Redskins were without their best running back and their tight end plus their offensive line were awful.About the offense Giants need to cut Jacobs , his legs have taken too much beating now he has no tolerance for pain anymore don’t you see how he ask out after every one or two carries.
Giants pulled all their starters in the second half
against the redskins
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 29, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Well, in a a way, I'm glad this team got what it deserved
It would have just been a waste of draft positioning for this team to make the playoffs and be crushed in the first round. Also, there would have been an excuse for not doing the housecleaning that is obviously needed. Reese has his work cut out for him this off-season. Even he needs to share some of the blame for this debacle after spending all that money on this defense. I guess we can get on with the discussions of what needs to be done with this team and where. How did a Giant team that was on the verge of becoming a dynasty all of a sudden turn into a hole filled doormat?
Mediorcirty . . . er I mean Parity
the league sucks. There are no great or even very good teams this year. The Colts, Chargers, Eagles, Vikings, Saints are good consistant teams and the Vikes and Saints I’m starting to wonder about those two look like the GIants did a year ago and even the Pats the year before, awsome for 12 games then ok the rest of the way. I guess to answer your question consitantcey is the only thing that makes a team a conteneder the Giants are not a doormat just inconcsistant for whatever reason, talent coaching probably a little bit of both. It can be turned around quicly the Giants were at a crossraods in 06 like know and turned it around then fell again. Philly was on the verge of not making the playoffs for two consective years and 3 or 4 in 08 then boom it got righted. The GIants are in that boat now, we need to deal with it and hope they draft well and turn it around.
During half-time they should have had LT and Harry..
Give them a speech..Rip them a new A-hole..Harry did it in ’86 when he took a chair and demolished it..LT could have given one of his patented “Mad Dog” rants..I was embarrassed for those guys witnessing that cluster-F…Although LT took off after the second half started in disgust..He saw enough.
During half time
they should have had LT and Harry suit up. The old guys would have brought more fight to the game.
The way these the giants D played
We should have put some shoulder pads on LT and Harry and send them in their for Boley and Clark. I am sure they could have played better.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 28, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions
Hedgecock
What value does he bring? How do you make it to the NFL with out being able to catch? If he gets cut today, which he definitely should, would any team pick him up?
DB
by DukBudr on Dec 28, 2009 9:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Hedgecock
although had some issues this game, is not the problem here. I would love to have a RB catching the ball out of the backfield, but Hedgecock has been a consistent blocker.
Agree he’s not the problem. But it’s sad that he brings so little when Philly gets so much out of their FB. Let’s get someone else out there
DB
by DukBudr on Dec 28, 2009 9:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hedge CAN catch.....
Hedge is a good blocker too.
You’re looking at the wrong player to blame. Hedge is a good blocker.
Tho..a player like Stanley Havilli from USC is intriguing. He’s a good blocker, and while I’m not sure he’s at Hedge’s level of blocking, he’s as good as it gets as far as catching the ball.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 28, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
Hedge CANNOT catch
why is this even a debate? Can we count the number of times he’s dropped wide open passes? I can’t, i lost count. I can’t recall who always comes on here and says he has good hands (not you FBrad) but when he dropped that pass in the endzone, i thought about him and if he wanted to revisit his sentiments on the big f-back.
I can take or leave hedge at this point. i have seen him miss some blocks this season, both running and passing. add to that that HE CAN’T CATCH, and if he’s here next year fine, if he’s not, fine.
Hedger can catch
This myth that he can not continues to be annoying. he had a bad four game stretch last season, and since then this moniker of stone hands has stuck to him. He is not that fast, that is a given, but the whole he can not catch s overblown by the unaware masses of Giants fans.
Dude, that miss wasn't even a drop
it was a ricochet; the ball landed out of bounds. Nobody around him, Eli puts a pass right dead into his mitts, and he hits it like a set in volleyball. I’m sorry, but a drop like that overshadows four or five three- yard out patterns that were caught.
Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!
by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 29, 2009 1:38 AM EST up reply actions
I'm curious
as to how many wide open passes he must drop to before you open your eyes to his stone hands brisulph. mario the man has dropped less passes and he already has that moniker. Time in and out Hedge drops wide open passes, yet he’s given a pass because he’s a fullback? Kinda makes you wonder why teams continue to not cover him, huh?
LET'S END THIS DEBATE NOW
Madison Hedgecock has stone hands. Observe(all stats available at profootballfocus.com):
- In the past 3 years, Madison leads ALL fullbacks with 9 drops(I added the one from Sunday just to update pff.com)
- Madison currently is tied for the lead for drops by a fullback with his recent flub
- Madison LEAD ALL FULLBACKS last year with 5 drops(another website attributed 6 to him, but we’ll go with pff.com)
- Add to that that in the past 3 years, his highest percentage of passes caught, which is basically how many times targeted vs. how many times caught, was in ’08 with a whopping 53.3% caught.
Please don’t try to rebuff these stats, I and millions of “unaware” Giants fans know what there eyes have told them already, and the stats back them up. The end.
Do those stats record
how poor the passes are to him? What scenario they are done in? That is what I am referring to.
I missed yesterday’s drop, and if he was wide open I will take your word for it. However, almost every time he drops one, the pass is low, or high, or when he has someone there. That is why I say he is not stone hands like some suggest. He is not some masterful catching machine by any stretch, but to put full blame on the guy like many do is just wrong, which was my point. My bad I was not clear on what I meant.
If Hedgecock is to go so the Giants can start using the FB more in the passing game, I would be happy, as I like using the FB. I would miss Hedgecock though, as I think he can fill that role.
I like Hedge too
for what he is…a pure run blocking f-back. He is nor never will be a running fullback ala Charles Way or Mike Alstott, and will never catch 20 passes in a season. No the stats don’t reflect the path of the pass, but that’s why I showed a 3 year window, to show it’s a pattern of drops that he’s developed, not just an anomaly. The passes to him can’t all be bad, and as an offensive NFL player, sometimes you gotta catch the bad ones too.
And yes, unfortunately the pass he dropped sunday was a spiral right b/t the numbers in the endzone.
Hedge is OK
We can definitely find another fullback that can actually catch a ball as well as run block as well as him. We should look for some Rookie Free Agents to get in training camp at least to push Hedge
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 29, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Defense
This is not the type of defense we as Giants fan have enjoyed watching over the past years. In the past we were never known to be an explosive offensive team but the defense showed up for work week after week and did a heck of a job helping out the offense. Bottom line, we need a real defensive coordinator, one who can motive players and put a good game plan together.
Big job ahead for JR this off-season …
Have to sort through the quitters that need to go and not over-react on the guys that need to stay. Can’t turn-over half the damn roster.
A little easier for management on the coaching front. Sheridan just has to be gone. Mr. "I’d rather watch the carnage from the booth" showed us just why. He can’t inspire anyone. KG is a tougher call, but I’d be happy to see him gone, too. TC probably stays, but you have to lay some of the overall lack of effort down the stretch at his feet.
Out of our misery for 2009 …
We will see how good JR is Now
I’ve read alot about Osi needing to go and some I agree with and others I don’t. I think it’s time to shop him around if nothing more. However one person that needs to go is Jacobs. I’ve never been a fan of the big bruising back(now sure I loved him two years ago while he was running over people all the way to the Superbowl) but think about this. All the big backs that have come and gone in this league(Dane,Okoye,LJ) just naming a few but they just all of a sudden disappear and they are done. One year they blow up then the next they fall off a cliff. I think DC needs to go, the players just didn’t buy in or accept the change I don’t know(Dick Jaruon is an old TC guy)just saying. I think we have more needs than we think. OL is getting old, DL well you put in your thought there, LB are slow and older for the most part other than the new guys who I am not sold on yet, secondary needs help bad. we need some draft picks or some FA and in orderto get that we need to let a few guys go evrn if we like them.
What to do!
The Naysayers were right….well…I guess you all had you parachute’s early, so might as well jump off the bridge while its still 2009!
Lots to do in the offseason. I think the whole defensive staff probably should be gutted. Coughlins has to do it..cuz at the first sign of failure next season, he’ll be tied to who’s ever still there.
Sheridan will take the fall…but IMO this ain’t all on him, its players who don’t like to tackle. Been evident ever since the 2nd Philly game last season. Yea..that’s on Spags’ watch BTW.
Disagree with any saying Osi needs to go. Ed..he didn’t show up on the stats sheet cuz he didn’t play. I don’t think its all his fault..maybe he could’ve tackled if he was out there? No one else could, maybe he could?
As for the O? The RB situation needs to be revamped. Get Jacobs the hell out of here, he doesn’t deserve to be in NY anymore. THis ain’t just 6 carries, 1yd. Its the whole season. Whether or not his running style was effective to soften the D for Bradshaw…its really not what the Giants need goind forward.
They need a faster guy, someone who can cut and go. A Power back would be fine..but one who’s not 6"4 270. That, in its 3rd year, is not a good idea. It was nice and all for a couple years…but no more.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
What kind of package
can we put together for Spags for him to give up that #1 pick? Suh would be a very nice pick.
c'mon man....
That’s probably the last thing the GIants should do.
Trade a boatload of picks…just to move up to #1 overall and select a DT who has had his share of knee surgeries (tho they seem just fine now…just throwing it out there).
Also..more then likely to pay him around a Hayensworth’esque $40 million guaranteed for a guy who’s never played in the NFL before?
If they were at the #1 pick..yea, Suh’s probably a no brainer.
But you don’t trade up in the draft for a non-franchise QB. There’s not one single other player that can change around a team.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 28, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
I see what you're sayin
but something has to be done to that Dline. I’m not a believer in the shut down corner, I think that shut down corners, safeties, and secondaries in general are made by their Dline. Our Dline this year was shockingly horrible and our secondary paid the price. I don’t even know how to describe our LBs. We need better defensive players. Players that have heart and know how to tackle.
The Giants are 4-2 in games decided by 7 points or less.
Yet for some reason this doesn’t make me happy
I think we're getting a bit carried away
Listen, BJ had a horrible year. Yesterday was obviously the worst of it. It’s hard for me not to speak from anger and disappointment as well (he single-handedly cost me my fantasy championship game as well as the horror show of a game yesterday), but this is 1 down year. To be saying we should cut him at this point is ridiculous. Just last season the guy was an absolute beast, rushing for over 1,000 yards and 15 TD’s in a 3 back system. Now, after one bad season, he’s completely done? Maybe he never has a season like he did in 2008 (and that is still only a maybe), but to say his productive days are long gone is silly. He can still be a big part of this team. If you think the Giants should look for a RB in the draft, great, but to suggest we should all together give up on Jacobs after 1 bad season is absurd.
+1
Kudos for being objective and avoiding the knee-jerk reaction.
People on BBV are suggesting wholesale changes of this team, but the reality is that a team cannot be radically overhauled by gutting upwards of 50% of the personnel in one offseason and be expected to have success the following year. The powers that be upstairs know this, and I am sure will make necessary changes according to the greatest need. But folks, that need for us is not at the RB position…
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 28, 2009 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
So who's the real Jacobs?
The one prior to his new contract or the ‘09 version? It would be fair to say that AB has had success behind the same OL while playing with injuries. Is it productive for the team to retain someone who doesn’t have the burst, the elusiveness, breakaway speed, average receiving skills or the inability to get the job done on short yardage plays (given his size)?
Now i’m not suggesting that we get rid of him, but if he’s all, or a good portion of those attributes, it would be a good idea to explore for a replacement.
whoever BJ's ultimate replacement will be in a few years...
…certainly will not be of the BJ mold, so to my mind, it isn’t that critical to have a succession plan for Jacobs if he never regains his effectiveness. Good RBs are a dime a dozen in this league; it is probably the one position where it isn’t that difficult to find adequate help. There’s little sense in wasting a draft pick or free agent money now when our needs are far more acute elsewhere.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 28, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
yea, well I guess technically I can still win
I’m down1 point going into tonight. I Have Percy Harvin. My opponent has Peterson. I’m toast.
not if you were in my league
we penalize heavily for fumbles….-6 if you lose it, -3 if you drop it period. but hey, good luck tonight!
Like it or lump it, Jacobs isn't going anywhere...
…for a variety of reasons: the contract, the fact that he’s an intergral part of what KG tries to do on offense, etc. He just needs to stop saving himself for boxing and focus on what it is he gets paid to do, which is to run hard and soften up the opposing D. Who knows, with a few adjustments on the O-line, maybe some of those holes open back up again.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 28, 2009 10:13 AM EST reply actions
TUCK
I see the exemption for tuck..but i disagree.
Yes, he showed up on the stat sheet….but someone has to right?? someone has to make tackles in the game
but what i noticed more about him was that throughout the game, from beginning to end, ever since his offsides penalty, he was moping around with his head down.
wtf, fire up the D, get amp, make the players around you better and get them motivated.
the giants needed that influence to break em out of the funk of playing like they didnt want to win. and tuck should have filled that void… i mean, everyone isnt a outspoken motivator, but i thought tuck was more of that than what he showed yesterday..
im not giving him a willie here, but i wouldnt exempt him from the entire defense that got a willie.
Tuck
One thing I would like is to see Tuck step up and assume the leadership mantel on the defense. He plays hard, but I would also like to see him start being the guy to call out his teammates and be the voice of the defense.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 28, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
somthing I wrote yesterday, worth reiterating here...
I hate to agree with Aikman, but it seems as though there is a massive leadership void on D…
…one which no one is willing to step up and fill. Our guys looked totally flat out there on D, lost, shellshocked, lacking intensity…you name it. They just come off as incredibly disinterested, which would lend credibility to the claims that the players haven’t bought into the system. Guys should be playing like they are fighting for their jobs. It is as though these guys feel powerless to watch the sinking ship go down, with no one wanting to be accountable and take responsibility for it.
AP is not worth keeping around simply for his organizational skills if he cannot make plays anymore on D, but someone is going to have to step up, assert himself, and take ownership of this defense next year. Games like this underscore just how much we lack someone on D with that Joey Porter-esque or Ray Lewis-esque fire, that presence that makes sure everyone matches intensity and is on the same page. Our guys simply don’t play as a unit on D.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 28, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
We can't let the Offence off too lightly
Yes this offence is working with a very inexperienced WR group and yes there change up back is a little banged up, and yes the Defence deserves most of the blame for the NYG crappy season.
But don’t let the offence off too lightly. Remember the Panthers scored when the offence gave them back the ball. Also after the first drive we were essentially giving the Panther’s offence great starting position. I am not an Eli hater, but he is the kind of quater back who needs a lot of help to win , making him the highest paid QB might not have been the best move. I am totally dumbfounded by Brandon Jacobs lack of production. Maybe its time we start drafing running backs in rounds 2-3.
I remember the pre-season reports talking about how the Giants had the fewest holes of any teams. What a cruel joke that seems now.
Dude don't go there again
Eli’s contract was market driven, it’s basic economics. And since he is performing at the highest and most consistent level of his career, I really don’t think it negatively affected him. He drove his receiving core to be better than anyone thought, and you cannot point to a single game where he takes the lion’s share of the blame for the team’s loss (unlike say the Vikings game of 07, or Romo in the first Giants game this year).
Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!
by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 29, 2009 1:49 AM EST up reply actions
I am not suggesting Eli was affected by his contract.
Just that when you pay a guy that much , it affects your ability to pay veterans that he needs to be surrounded by to get the job done. I remember Brady leaving money on the table so his team would’nt have to break the bank.
Also the QB does set the tone for the team. In the first Eagles game, even though they were trailing by a long way, they were huddling up, and getting to the line slowly, generally showing a lack of urgency. Tom C , not trusting Eli with the ball on the final offensive possession against San Diego, that prolly had something to do with Eli’s struggles prior to that game. Overall , Eli is a bright spot on this team. He just got paid more than he deserves.
Most would agree he isn’t a top 5 quaterback.
If he's not top five
he’s top 6-8. I’ll argue that with anyone. But what people still don’t seem to get, is that those other top five QB’s will all have new contracts within the next three years that will consecutively make each one the highest paid QB in all the land. Remember when Vick signed his deal and became the highest paid QB. Show me how his stats and success measured with Eli’s at the same stage of their careers. It’s how the economics of the league works. And not calling the plays with urgency is on the OC, not the QB. Qb can’t call plays quickly if they are not relayed to him fast enough. Tom took the ball out of his hands because he was determined to play for the FG, the ol’ “smart football” mentality.
Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!
by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 29, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
Matt Stafford is getting paid $40 million guaranteed.
Eli….not that much.
Don’t compare contracts to those that are not up for contracts.
The simple idea is…what would it cost to sign a Franchise QB.
You’re not gonna get one…you already have one.
Eli deserved his money this year. The defense should pool money together to pay him more, or at leas Jacobs should give Eli some dough.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 29, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Food for thought ...
We went into this season expecting the offense to be our achilles, now I know all of us are bashing the D, and rightly so, but remember the begining of the season? Starting at WR was … who? This is still the case. There are numerous holes to address this off-season, but I don’t think BJ even makes the top 5. Here’s my top 5 (6) questions that management needs to address; in order –
1. Defensive Coordinator. We have the horses on the defensive line, so why are they not motivated?
2. LB – Even before AP was hurt, the team lacked the abiilty to mix it up and scheme properly. This defense NEEDS a leader. Someone the group rallies behind because they hustle, work hard and call a good game. Right now the LB corp is porous. Blackburn works hard, but he’s a follower, not a leader.
3. O line – BJ, Tiki and Ward reaped the benifits of one of the most consistent and well coached lines in the game. It allowed Eli to develop, and the run game to produce. Maybe these guys have worn down?
4. WR – There is no deep threat. Period. No one that will consistently catch the short fade route, no one to win the jump ball, no one that the opposition must double team. Before you point to Smith’s numbers, remember that he went into the season as an unproven, so teams didn’t scheme for him.
5. CB – we have no shut down corner. I agree Dockery isn’t the answer. He shouldn’t even be mentioned when thinking about the answer.
6. Safety – I thought we started the season with some pretty physical safeties, but again I was wrong. A solid safety can solidify the run defense and make the middle of the field a dangerous place for WR’s. Other than the hit that broke Smith’s arm, did we ever punish the middle of the field?
I think those are more important that dismissing our 2 season 1000+ yd rusher. If I missed something, it’s probably due to frustration from yesterday …
Agree on all except WR and CB
No deep threat? Nicks, Manningham and Smith are better deep threats then the Giants have EVER HAD. The ability of Nicks….Plaxico at his best won’t be able to shine this kid’s shoes. Smith can get down field…Manningham….possibly the best out of all of them getting down field.
There is no need go get a single WR on this team. None.
As for CB…Webster and Thomas are good. Ross…maybe good as a nickel guy. There really is no such animal as a shutdown guy.
The Giants lacked a pass rush on D. Fix that…fix the D. That’s it.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 28, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Can't compare to Plaxico.
If we had Plaxico I am going to go as far as saying we probably win the Superbowl back last year in the 2008-2009 season before he decided to become a blithering idiot.
I am really hoping for Hakeem Nicks and to see him over the next new decade assimilated as a superstar WR on our NYG. However, I miss Plaxico with all my heart. He was the Philadelphia Eagle killer. PLAX if you hear this….we DEFINTELY miss you bc ever since you left we have been down the gutter.
Unless Plax
was going to play and excel at safety, lb and d-lineman, he would not have made that much of a difference. WR is the least of our problems. The young guns (no pun intended) are doing just fine. Nicks and Manningham are doing great for 1st year players and Smith is going to do something Plax never did in his entire career, and that’s to catch 100 passes. I appreciate what Plax did for the orgnization when he was here but I’m quite satisfied with the wr corps the way it is.
Plaxico
leaving…was just the easy, 2+2 answer.
Him leaving has nothing to do with the lack of success.
The offense beat the hell out of the Eagles in the second game. In the first one they were let down by rookies like Beckum not running good routes.
Plax would’ve helped if he was here…but it doesn’t hurt that he’s not here.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 28, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
agree, to a point ...
When Nicks, Manningham and Smith get defensive attention and still have success I’ll agree with you. Until then, there a young, promising set with WR’s with potential. I don’t care to compare them to Plaxico, he’s incarcerated … move on. Fix the O-line and maybe #4 takes care of itself. eli has proved to me that, with some time, he can pick apart almost any defense. We put up alot of points this yeat at times. There is no stat I can point to during those games (like the Eagle game) to illustrate the O-line’s collective play. As for the D-backs, when they can stay healthy then there is potential. IF they can stay healthy. I think their track record speaks for itself. Regardless, you’re right, creating pressure with the front four makes all the difference in the world. I think having a solid linebacker that consistently fills the gaps to stop the run will take some run game pressure off the lineman. Same way the O-line will improve the run game, I think a solid LB will improve the pass rush, but hey, I’m not a GM, I’m just some guy rambling on a website that should be working …
by bleed'n blue on Dec 28, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Smith did against Philly
they doubled him most of the night and NIcks was running open in man coverage why do you think Eli played so well as well as Nicks, the Eagle D-backs were not sure who to cover or what to do. Asante jumped routs to Smith and Boss leaked out and was open. The WR’s are fine and are getting attention.
people know who Steve Smith, #12 of the Giants is now.
They’ve known since GAME 2 OF THIS SEASON.
THey’ve doubled him. They can’t. Know why? Cuz HAM and Nicks are good too.
Plaxico was a decoy. He did squat in 2008. These guys actually produce.
ITs an absolute joke to think they need a “big play threat”.
They have 2 in HAM and Nicks, and Steve Smith makes plays as well, in addition to his invaluable 3rd down prowess (something Eli never had until #12 was the man this year).
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 29, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
to an extent
first id take off #4 and # 5… free said it already about the wr’s and the production manning has had with them..fix manninghams routerunning and we have 3 deep tthreats.
cb – dock isnt considered an answer bcuz well, he isnt. hes our 4th5th cb at best. ross hasnt been even 85 percent all season. everyone forgets but he is our #2 cb. thomas has improved greatly. that leaves cweb/ross/thomas pretty good top three if you ask me.
- dc – bill sheridan hasnt lived up to any excpectations. hasnt become a leader, hasnt implemented spags d properly, and hasnt not embraced the players. I noticed that the players have defended him at times, but also noticed no one has praised him throughout training camp or the season.
- lb – i like goff (not enough to crown him the future tho, draft a lb) , not so much clark. boley looked out of place yesterday, but a new DC should fix some of that.. blackburn clark, heihl, are all backups/
- DT – was tempted to put this number two. because with robbins and bernard gone. we are left with canty and cofield. cofield is coming off surgery and gets the same exemption card i give osi.
- OL – beatty has done great.. after a offseason of gaining wieght and muscle. he should switch to LT with Deihl moving to LG. seubert will be the utility man. of course all this pends on how healthy mckenzie will be(back)
oh yes, the safety – well, this is the position in which faith lies. I hope KP is able to return with the arthritis behind him. with that. i believe with a better linebacking corp and dline production and healthy cb’s.. that mjohnson will be good enough to continue starting at ss for another year.
i may be wrong but hey, im no GM. this is just my eval on the team.. In jerry I STILL trust
While i agree with the sentiments here
I think there are hidden elements to consider.
-Can Ross prove to be a healthy contributor in the future? He has the potential to be good, but what good is he when he’s constantly injured? At what point do you save a roster slot for an oft-injured player? Sooner or later, this has to be a concern and should be addressed!
-With KP, this is probably a bit more trickier with his condition. So regardless, this should be a priority of sorts, especially now that M. Johnson seems to have regressed into a non-tackling entity. CC and Rouse are surely not the long term answers!
-Now assuming that out LB’s can develope into something (Sintim and Goff), i’m optimistic that if we had the DT’s to work with, these guys would be more effective. Our current DT’s have nothing to show with their poor performance’s. So our interior of the DL should be addressed!
All of this does go without saying that we need a DC that can identify strengths and weaknesses of players abilities. Is Sheridan that guy? At this time, i don’t think so!
draft a promising talented safety in the 2nd round
KP or no KP the fact is that this is a passing league and the better your safeties play the easier it is to stop teams. We need to have 2 good safeties on the field at all times and no matter what happens to KP’s knees he would only be responsible for half the field.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 29, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
A Big Wet Willie
to the entire Giants organization, top to bottom, for making Reby cry Sunday. Shameful.
wow
the fact that that was the most rushing yards they ever allowed at Giants Stadium makes me very sad
Boss
I don’t think Kevin Boss should be getting a wet willie. Doesn’t necessarily deserve a kudo, but he had some big plays and quite often seemed to be the only player who still cared.
this was only the second giants game i’ve ever been able to attend, due to prices. i go to school at unc and was looking forward to laughing at all my friends back at school. looks like i’ll be the one getting laughed at.
Well it all boils down to how the "Team" did..
Boss did okay..and Beatty did a nice job also..but as a unit they get factored into the stench..and I am sick of seeing the runs always starting to the left..It is like watching a Nascar race..Left blinkers..I’d like to see one run start off to the right someday..Defenses just load up on us on the left side..It’s a no brainer.
They were successful
when McKenzie was finally healthy and they were able to run behind him.
Or at least, were comfortable running behind him.
Whenever Beatty was in there…they didn’t do squat to his side.
He’s gonna get stronger tho.
That’s one thing they need to look at if they do find replacements on the O-Line. That RT needs to be a big mauler like McKenzie.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 28, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
I like what I've seen as Beatty,
but it’s premature to think he can take over at LT so Diehl can go back to G. He looks good so far as a replacement for McKenzie.
Beatty's natural position is left tackle
it’s what he played all through college, he’s got the length and technique to handle speed rushers. He does need bulk for the running game though. Hit the weight room this summer young man!
Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!
by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 29, 2009 1:45 AM EST up reply actions
agree.
He’s a better athlete then Diehl. He’s got long arms too, tho he’s pretty strong as well.
He needs to put on some weight for sure, but I think the fact he did pretty good, aside from some rookie mistakes at RT, means given his athleticism, he’ll do fine at LT.
The only thing is…Diehl’s really pretty good at LT. Seubert’s probably still good too, but he was hurt all year.
Nagging injuries to key guys sapped a lot of talent this year, in addition to the guys on IR.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 29, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
"...he'll do fine at LT."
From your lips to God’s ears. Your certainty about so many things is appealing.
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