Panthers 41, Giants 9: Embarrassing!

He has a championship, so that makes him a champion. You are wasting time and energy calling for his firing, because it isn’t going to happen. Nor should it.
Lots of other changes, yes. That one, not even a discussion.

He has done NOTHING this season…how can he be quality? I’d rather see Gatrell Johnson get touches then Ware.

Manningham has the athletic potential but he is the real life version of Forrest Gump

doesn’t deserve to be a starter

- Osi needs shoulder pads that fit, because he looks like he is afraid to take a hit out there.
- Goff has been making plays since he has been out there, but the leadership AP brought needs to come from somewhere else

- No one knows anything about Barden yet. He could be a bust and the longer they wait to bring him up, the more I worry.
-Jacobs lost his fire when he got the big contract. End of story.
-A big time o line FA wont help. Good OLines play together for a long time. Its not like youre ever going to describe someone as an “impact right guard” We need to develop young guys and get them on the same page as the vets.
- Manning needs to be a leader. Not just a by example guy, but a fiery guy like Peyton. More ego/confidence. No more sulking off. Ive seen him in the tunnel after losses, anti social, introvert akin to ARod before Kate Hudson. I assure you Peyton does not need archie waiting outside the locker room at the end of every game to console his son like Eli does. (Peyton tried to pick a fight with Randy Coture at the superbowl in AZ, the guy has balls) I dont care if he is having a great statistical season, the only QB stat that matters is wins.

-TC is the right coach for this team. However, in the turnover, the players lost respect for the assistants. There is no motivation coming from them and no leaders on either side of the ball to endorse them for the other guys.

There’s no way they aren’t the worst defense in the NFL. Even the Lions could force 2 punts in a game.

The D can rebound in one year with a couple adjustments, new blood via the draft and a better DC

Holes? Yes, but nothing JR cannot overcome with a little luck.

Giants will be back in the top 5 teams in a year or two.

Coughlin’s had the team in the playoffs every year, except this one, since Eli became the full time starter.

We just need some speed at LB and an entirely new secondary except for Webster.

I would also look at trading Umenyiora, he just doesnt seem the same and I dont recall if he was ever that good against the run anyway, Im sure Strahan made him look better than he really was.

You’ve seen the light.

Now that you no longer want to break Plax out of jail, we actually agree on a lot of stuff.

I doubt it, he wasnt a first round pick, and you gotta keep him around for his speed and agility, he offers that more than the other WR. I dont think anyone is considering him the top guy, thats clearly Smith and then Nicks…manningham is the change of pace guy

The guy worked hard enough to be what he is…and that’s a damn good WR.

Hell..he’s worked himself into the player that if he makes a few plays…quite possibly, this is a better season.

I’d rather take chances with him getting better then worrying about trading for some POS like Braylon Edwards…

or hoping Ramses Barden is half as good in his first action next year.

they haven’t been eliminated yet.

because we’ve seen what THIS BUNCH is capable of. that this basic core of players had champion before there name for the past 2 years. And now, we get to watch teams routinely drop 30 on us. Blowouts become commonplace. And no one knows why. We can all speculate on why, but no one knows.

that’s why we’re pessimistic.

his name is steve smith.

if thats your point of view, why waste five years of their peaks then?

9ers years in the wilderness were caused primarily by salary cap issues. Debartolo and Policy went win now, and back loaded a bunch of contracts with big bonuses. They had to cut a bunch of players and were so behind that it was questionable whether they could even field a full team.

Add in an ownership in turmoil, and you have a team in the wilderness.

The Giants are no where near that falling apart. There are some gaps and some needs, but there are also a lot of good players.

Kudos to the defense for not giving up 50.

Agree about Coahing. Good comparison to Parcells, they blew it up after 88 and if you look at the 90 team there were very few of the same starters as the 86 team so I agree TC and JR deserve a shot at another run. They drafted very well between 86 and 90 and rebuilt a lot of key parts of the team, O-line, D-line, Secondary, skill positon, D-Line.

About leadership, Strahan a great Leader? People are remembering that cannon of heros parade and that America’s game video little too much. Seriously I’ve heard this a lot this year Strahan was not a great nor even a good leader he was a well liked and respected vetern and a great player with an enormaous ego but not a leader. This was the same guy who sat out training camp in 07 because well he did not want to go and threatend to retire if JR did not pay him more becasue he felt the team was not going to be any good. This is the same guy who winned about TC before Tiki and Shockey ever did and said he’ll never play more than one year for him. This was the same guy that openly complained about his contract throughout his playing days with the Giants. This was the same guy who in that horrible playoff loss to SF could not even generate a pressure on Garcia and spend most of the second half trash talking to TO and sucking wind as the 49ers completed one of the greatest comebacks in playoff history. This was a guy that was so concered with an idivdual sack record during an awful 01 season that he worked a deal with Brett Favre so he could get the “record.” This was the guy that was the “leader” of another horrible playoff loss to the Vikings in 97 in which his defense started fist fighting with each other on the field durring that meltdown. Until 07 Strahan was considered a great player but not the type of “leader” LT or Carson were and he was’nt. Armstead was the leader of those John Fox’s D’s and AP has been since he arrived in 05. Justin Tuck never had a D-Tackle nearly as good as Keith Hamilton playing next to him. I’m not saying this to rip Strahan I love the guy and he’s a great Giant who’s presence as a player has been sorley missed but I think we need some perspective on what the guy was and to say Tuck will never be that kind of player or was only good becasue of Strahan is being harsh. If you compare the first 5 years of Tuck and Strahan’s carreer they are similar. Strahan did not break out until his 5th year while with Tuck it was his third. Tuck has a SB ring with an MVP type of performance in that game while Strahan did not even have a playoff win thorugh 5 years. Tuck sturggled in his 5th (this year) but a lot had to do with a serious injury that he played through and never complained about. Tuck was an all pro in 08 without Strahan and Osi. I’m defending Tuck becasue a.) I beilive he is a great player and will be the face of this D for years to come and b.) I was too hard on Strahan for most of carreer for not being more like LT or Carson and I was wrong for that and I don’t think Giant fans should do that with Tuck either, he’s the least of this organizations problems. Also a FA can come in a be a leader right away AP did it in 05 when he came in as a FA.

They will not regress to wilderness years, it’s almost impossible now-a-days. Sure they might stink here and there but it’s tough to sustain greatness or suckiness for an extendted period of time. As quicly has the Giants have fallen off they can come back equallay as quickly. They have a quality QB which will keep them competative in a mediorce league. A little re-tooling in a mediore league goes a long way. The Saints D last year was just as miserable as the Giants D is this year all they had were a couple of underachieving pass rushers kinda like this years Giants, they get a new D-corrdinator and an aging vetern saftey and they go form 32nd to 15th if the Giants can make that sort of improvement next year they will win 10 games next year.

 I have been watching the Giants since the late 60’s, this isn’t even in the realm of one of their worst seasons, it’s that we have been spoiled as of late. It has been a very disappointing season, no doubt about it, but not even close to the worst, and I think if we can get a new, descent DC, we could be right in the mix next year, draft a LB, a OL, maybe a safety, get some depth and find a DT somewhere, anywhere, we will be ok, offensivley I think we will be fine, Eli has matured into a top flight QB, and the receivers will be one of the better units in the league for some time to come as they gain experience.

Cut Hedgecock, send a message that we won’t stand for bull shit—even if the season is over

PEOPLE WILL TAKE ME SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

someone who can calmly look back and see how the game pivoted early.

but to ignore the impact of those two plays (BS holding and no-PI call which changes the next play called) is to ignore a legitimate point at which this game changed .

they are lost no matter what. If you can’t get motivated to play this game you will never win. Period. Motivation is intrinsic, no one can give it to you.

from injuries, to aging vets, to flat our poor performances but you can’t get rid of the entire D so Sheridan will be the fall guy.

and whats alarming about this D is how it never improved as the season went on it seems to have had “communication” problems all year.

A lot of these guys will be back and a lot of them did not play well or even regressed under Sheridan. (Michael Johnson and Kiwi come to mind) So if a lot of these guys will be back next year it’s hard to have confidence that BS can get a lot out of them, there has been no improvement all year long.

tackling & preparation should be emphasized during practices well enough that it becomes second nature to the players come game day. I know they are professionals who have been doing it most of their lives, but it still needs to have some attention emphasized during the supposed week long preparation prior the games, and that is on Sheridan. And yes, there will be a few missed tackles during game day, but if everyone is missing, I’m sorry – BS does get most of the blame, lack of prepartion and motivation by HIS defensive players. He may be a smart guy, but he needs to be more than just smart to be an effective DC.

No, its not 7-8 starters.

But there’s 7-8, probably more, that need to go.

Robbins, Clark, Michael Johnson (damn has he regressed..), CC, Rouse, Ross (talented…too many injuries and the act is tired), Pierce.

That’s 7 right there.

The play of the D will cost Sheridan his job. But the tackling I’ve seen of this D, and the blown assignments, just cannot be all on him.

There needs to be a lot of new blood.

Reese has obviously not seen this on his watch as the GM.

The work they do this offseason and going into next year, will be where he really proves what he’s worth.

But there needs to be a lot of turnover here.

Now that they probably are a passing team, they need to get rid of the power back who doesn’t fit an aerial attack.

Jacobs was really the reason they got away from the running that was so successful last year, whatever the problem was..it was a problem.

Bradshaw needs to have a bigger role. Hopefully this Andre Brown dude is OK going forward, he’s bigger then any RB not named Jacobs on the team, also..he’s supposedly pretty damn fast too.

You can’t give him the ball 20 times when hes doing that.