Giants at Redskins: 'Kudos & Wet Willies' preview
by Ed Valentine on Dec 21, 2009 11:00 AM EST
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Let me start by saying this. As a New York Giants fan, I do not have the best feeling in the world about tonight's matchup with the Washington Redskins.
The 4-9 Redskins have played much better than their record indicates in recent weeks, they have a stout defense, and they will be at home. The 7-6 Giants? Well, we should know by now that we just don't know with this team.
Will the defense show up, or will it just play the role of sieve as it has so many times this season?
What part of the special teams will cost the Giants points this week? C'mon, we know one of them will.
Can the offense, playing against a good Redskin defense, score enough points to make up for all the shortcomings around it?
Who knows. The Giants need to win, and they should win. But, things are different for each of these teams than they were in Week 1, when the Giants won, 23-17.
With all of that said, let's run through our usual 'Kudos & Wet Willies' style preview.
There will be lots of 'Kudos' Tuesday if ...
- The Giants win in the Red Zone. This will not be easy. The Giants have the league's worst-ranked defense and 25th-ranked offense in that area of the field. So, bluntly, they have been terrible. Washington, on the other hand, has the league's best defense and ninth-ranked offense in the Red Zone. Ominous numbers the Giants must find a way to neutralize.
- The defense shows up. Two weeks ago against Dallas Bill Sheridan's group played much more like the unit we expected to see this season. Last week against Philadelphia the defense reverted to the unit we have seen more often than not the last eight weeks. No pass rush, putrid coverage, blown assignments and no big plays. The Redskins offense is not great, and the Giants can't afford to make it look that way.
- The Giants can run the ball, at least a little. The Redskins are 23rd in the league against the run. We all know, though, that they will stack the box and try to take Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw away from the Giants. Kevin Gilbride and the Giants have to run enough not to be one-dimensional against an excellent Redskins pass rush.
- Eli Manning has a big day. Seems like this is always the case with this version of the Giants. Offensively, they will ride the right arm of Manning and the big-play ability of their exciting group of young wide receivers.
There will be lots of 'Wet Willies' Tuesday if ...
- The Giants can't handle Brian Orakpo and Andre Carter. The bookend Redskin defensive ends have been what Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora were supposed to be -- the most dominant duo of pass-rushing ends in the league. They both have 11 sacks, making Washington the only team in the league with two players in double-digits. Rookie Will Beatty will have to deal with Carter, and David Diehl will have to handle Orakpo. If those guys are in the backfield all day, Eli won't be able to create the big plays the Giants will need.
- The special teams break down -- again. It seems like every week some area of the special teams falls flat on its face. Last week it was punt coverage, surrendering a touchdown to DeSean Jackson. I would hope for more, but I will settle for the Giants at least not making any huge special teams miscues.
- The Giants can't get pressure. Ugh! Again, we need to talk about this. Redskins QB Jason Campbell has posted two straight weeks of 100+ quarterback ratings and has 17 touchdown passes. He might not have a future in Washington, but he isn't exactly JaMarcus Russell. If the Giants don't make him uncomfortable, I have no doubt he will torch the team's beleaguered secondary.
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The team that steps up and makes the most big plays...
…will win this game. Infallible logic!
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 21, 2009 11:19 AM EST reply actions
One step further
If we can make the plays that we NEED to make WHEN we have the chance, we’ll be fine. We have not been the best at it this season. You know, that fourth down conversion, stopping them on fourth-and-one, that touchdown from inside the 10 yard line (instead of a field goal), that interception that hits the defensive player’s hands, that dropped pass. How about making a stop on a drive that is crucial to Washington? That would be nice.
I think it may be more the little things that make or break us this go-round. Who knows.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
We also have to factor in the additional motivation factor...
With the hiring of Allen and talk of Shanahan (who will most likely be at the game watching them..they will be fired up..the potential trap has been set..Our guys need to make sure they don’t get caught..
Or they will be distracted.
The psychological effects of various scenarios are so tough to predict this time of year.
This plays out with almost every game from now. Is it better for the Vikings to have the #2 seed all locked up before we see them in Week 17? Or is it better to have them pressing and stressed out? Got me. We just need to play our best game and let everyone else worry about their own damn selves.
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
A step in the right direction...
would be to get off the field on third down.
Even if...
we win against Washington, then Carolina and Minnesota, get the wild-card spot, I do not see this team advancing far in the playoffs. Too many injuries and question marks this year. I am not saying to give up at this point, but I would like to see some younger guys get some playing time (i.e. Barden) and starts (i.e. Sintim). Just go out and have fun at this point. Not much to lose, East gone and I don’t want to watch the Gmen get humiliated in a wild card playoff game. There are a lot of holes to fill on this team now, mostly at LB and DBs, don’t want to see the draft position get too low at this point.
Question
How far did you see last years team going?
And the team the year before that?
and so on.
And the hell cares about draft position? You can’t get people to trade up because they’re worried about getting a bust and spending too much money on them
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Lets do this.
Gotta win to make the dance.
Don’t care what’s wrong with this team…make the dance, things can happen.
Not a single team I think its unbeatable. The blueprint for beating the Saints and Vikings is out there. I know for a fact the Giants can beat the Eagles and Cardinals. I don’t think the Packers are any better than anyone either.
Get to the dance. WIN..and things will play out.
If the Giants win out and don’t make the playoffs cuz Dallas played their cornholes out…well, so be it.
But the Giants better do their part.
There is not a single logical reason (higher draft pick??…get outta here…) to not win. I don’t care about the injuries either, guys will get healthy eventually (even if its next year on the unemployment line..).
Win. Put these fools out of their misery.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
I wasn't saying...
Not to win. You guys are just a lot more optimistic than I am at this point. I was trying to convey that these guys should go out there, have fun, and if they win, great! If not, let’s put things into perspective. Get some of these young guys out there, give them starts, see what they can do. And the Giants had two opportunities to beat the Eagles this year and didn’t once. The Saints killed them. I would fancy our chances against Cardinals, but can our weak secondary match-up with Fitz and Boldin? Anyway, that’s getting way ahead. I think we have the potential to win out, but so does Dallas. Again, just don’t like our chances at this point.
getting way ahead...yes.
butt he Giants D..IMO was worse then it was now against the Cardinals..and they were basically a Manningham staying in bounds play of tying that one (and who knows from there).
They can beat anyone. 2 opportunites against the Eagles…yes. They got trounced worse by the Cowboys twice in one season…that turned out well in meeting 3 didn’t it?
Yes..they gotta rely on Dallas losing at least one more time.
The funny thing about Dallas…they’ll beat a very good team they’re not supposed to beat (NO this year….Giants last year)…yet, get trounced by the ones they are supposed to beat.
The chances faded a bit with that Saturday game..yes. I agree 100% at that.
Its just I’m a little tired of hearing/reading that even if they get into the playoffs miraculously…that it doesn’t really matter. That’s my beef…cuz that’s a crock.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 21, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
Again...
You are a lot more optimistic than myself. It is my opinion and I appreciate your frustration with hearing/reading that the Gmen might not fair well in the playoffs, if I were optimistic, I wouldn’t want to hear/read it either. But, I believe, that this squad does not have the same fire that the ‘07 team had, that got them playoff road victories in the toughest places to play in the NFL. I do not see that same tenacity and that’s the reason for my pessimism.
I am optimistic...
yet all I’m saying..is that how could it be said that the Giants are automatically getting humiliated?
I’d say its more humiliating last season going 12-4 and getting knocked out in their first game.
They make it and get beat…so be it.
Teams have played worse and gone farther in the playoffs..and teams have played worse and got knocked out in the 1st round (both examples the Giants teams of years past can fit into this).
What does this year’s version do? I dunno…but if they make the 2nd season, given how past seasons, and the obvious vulnerability of the higher seeds this season, how can they be an easy out in the playoffs?
That’s all.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 21, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Look..
I would love nothing more than to see a repeat of ‘07. But, that year, the Gmen got real hot at the end and I don’t know if they have that same fire this year. I have not seen it since the first quarter of the Saints game. Yes, last year was embarassing getting punched out by the Eagles. I don’t know what they are going to do the rest of this year either. We will know more in about 8+ hours. I will gain some optimism if this team can show me that they can overcome the adversities of this year. So far, no such luck. They keep shooting themselves in the foot with lack of communication, stupid penalties, poor ST coverage, etc. The Chargers and most recent Eagles games should have been wins, but the Giants found ways to lose those games. Is beating the Vikings in the last game of the season going to be the equivalent of narrowly losing to the Pats in the last reg season game of ’07?
so your metric for success
for this season is a superbowl win?
if they’re one and done in the playoffs then its a failure and humiliation?
Is that not the metric for success every season?
That is the ultimate success, right? But, in the NFl, in my opinion, there are degrees of success, yes. Each playoff victory a success, each game over .500 a success. But, weren’t you a little embarassed going 12-4 and then lossing the divisional round to the rival Eagles, who went 9-6-1? Right now, the Gmen sit at 7-6, one game over .500, with 3 to play. I think 10-6 would be a success compared to where we are now. But, 10-6 is a 2 game set back from last year. 12-4 is a tough record to get in the NFL, I will say that. But, as a whole, I think this team is not as good as last year or year before. The rushing attack no where near as effective. The whole defense not as good. Our passing attack did take a huge step forward, there’s a success.
Of course beating the Vikings would be similar to that.
The Giants were NOT hot going into the playoffs in 2007. They weren’t hot in 2008 either.
They’ll have to at least be 2-1 to end this season, maybe 3-0.
They get to 3-0, and 10-6…they’ll be hotter going into the playoffs then they were in recent years.
What does it mean?…..nothing.
Get into the playoffs..by any means, they have a shot.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 21, 2009 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Apples and Oranges
The Vikings are not 15-0 and it appears that Favre is about to have one of his famous tantrums. In other words, they may have just gotten a bit more beatable. I don’t know if you can compare the ‘07 Pats with ’09 Vikes. As of 4:28 pm/ET, on 12/21, yes, Giants have a shot at playoffs, but I wouldn’t hold your breath. Too many variables and it would also mean that the defense gets their act together. I sure hope they do, but if they don’t, let’s give some of these young guys a shot. Obviously, the veterans can’t get it done.
I just hope
there’s not a letdown knowing that Dallas won on Saturday night. If anything, this should be motivation to go play lights out. Playoffs for the Giants start tonight!
The defense
will hopefully make some timely big plays. The Giants defense and Sheridan have caught a lot of flack this year for their inconsistent play and deservedly so. It seems to me that the inconsistent defensive play is not only a Giants problem, but is occurring throughout the league. I can’t think of any defense that is a dominant-strike-fear-in-the-offense unit. There are some good ones that have played better than the Giants, but none that have been scary tough. Is this a trend or do I have the wrong perspective?
Draft picks
don’t mean anything in the playoffs. It’s all based on regular season record. Philly made the NFC title game but had the 21st pick. The Super Bowl participants are the only other teams where picks matter (i.e. winner is 32nd and loser 31st).
I think they actually changed this...
the non-playoff teams are based on record..but then they slot the playoff teams on the round they exited (and of course by record to each of these losers)
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 21, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I had a feeling I wasn't full of it...
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 21, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
The Eagles benefitted from that last year...
We went further in the playoffs than the Giants, yet picked before them. Yay!
Pretty good chance we wouldn’t have gotten Maclin or McCoy if we were picking 29th instead of 21st.
Also, the Giants gave us a 5 to move up 6 spots in the 3rd round to draft Ramses Barden.
Gotta run at those DEs
Take a page out of our opponents’ playbooks when they wear down Osi by running down his throat all day. Orakpo’s an OLB playing DE, Carter ain’t exactly Stray or Tuck vs. the run, plus you got big Al in the middle. Runs off tackle are the way to go, IMO.
Fire Coughlin, Gilbride and Sheridan
FIRE COUGHLIN, GILBRIDE AND SHERIDAN.
COWHER, BILLICK, HOLMGREN, ETC.
Not gonna bother
We know that’s not happening, so it’s not worth debating.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 21, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
YES!!!
FIRE THEM!! FIRE THEM ALL!!!
HIRE THE BIG NAMES WHO FAILED WORSE (Cowher aside..tho he wasn’t as great as his rep. says) IN THEIR OTHER JOBS!!
HIRE THE FAILURES!
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 21, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
maybe TC ought to stop calling it the Green Zone
Its the Red Zone! – lets make a stop, Defense! Playoffs start tonight.
TC
Calls it ‘Green’ on offense and ‘Red’ on defense. Just a TC quirk.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 21, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
too bad its been the green on defense
and the red on offense.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 21, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
That's the kind of thing that me look towards the sky
with a kind of quizzical look on my face, sort of a cross between indignation and perpetual disbelief.
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
It's a Monday night prime time game
Giants loose, they always loose these games, they suck on primetime, always have . . . Like someone else posted yesterday it’s been a season of daggers nothing seems to go right. They’ll play hard they usally do but their D is beyond abysmal you can’t win with that sort of D, Wash is a better team right now more balance and the ability to play D.
SOrry for the negativaty but Philly and Dallas perfornances over the weekend really got me down on this season just seems like nothing has gone right.
thanks...
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 21, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
The Giants performance in prime time
is simalar to their performance in the Red Zone . . . dissapointing
always has and always will be no matter how good are bad they are or who’s underneath the uniform. The only seem to struggle in these games, maybe thats why the national media always dogs them.
Right, other than
all the playoffs games in 07. Those were national games, no?
Oh and the opening game at the JerryDome this year.
Oh and about a million other examples.
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
I'm just talking about regular season Monday/Sunday/Saturday/Thursady night games
from a long period of time not just the past two years. I’ve been a Giant fan for 25 years and they have lost a lot of big games in Primetime I’m not saying this becasue of a couple of loses this year. I could give you about a million examples when they’ve lost huge games on Sunday and Monday night. In 07 they were 2-3 in prime time and lost the opener to Dallas and a chance to clinch to playoffs against Wash on Sunday night in December and they lost. Go back to the 80’s they lost to Dallas on Monday night every year including their 1986 SB season they lost the 1987 season opener on Monday night to the BEars, they got murdered it what was supposed to be a great game from the past two defending SB champs. They lost to San Fran on Monday night a lot in the 80’s too. Oh that Randall Cunningham play another one on Monday night. Oh yea a bunch more in the Jim Fassel Era and even some big ones in the TC era.
09 2-3 in PT games
08 3-2
07 2-3
06 2-3
05 2-1
04 1-0
03 0-3
02 1-2
01 0-3
00 2-1
99 1-1
98 0-3
97 0-0-1
96 0-1
95 1-1
94 1-2
93
Just cuz they can't beat the Eagles..
and lost to the Browns?
Or they got edged out by the Cardinals?
Didn’t the CowPokes show where to go shove ‘previous trends’?
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 21, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions
Oh you just got down over the weekend?
Because you were SO positive before that? LOL!
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
Thanks for that Land..Where the hell did I put my "Tums"...Can you drink beer and take them?
Always worried about mixing alcohol with medications..I don’t want to wind up shitting out a Canary or something..
Landeta
The Green Bay loss should ENCOURAGE you as we own tiebreakers against Dallas and Green Bay…if we win out, one of them just has to lose one game!!!! I still like our chances and I will like them even more with a win tonight!!!
GO GIANTS!!!!
I was brimming
with confidence until i read that landeta, gee thanks
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Dec 21, 2009 1:23 PM EST reply actions
Sorry guys it's just how I feel
Hey like I said I think they’ll play hard if they were not doing that then I’d be really concerned.
I’m not saying Wash is going to manhadle them it’ll be close I just don’t trust the D in the End something is really off, personel and injuries are a big part but something else is missing, confidence swagger I don’t know and I think that something else is why they are having problems communicating.
Sheridan
I think the point that most people are missing is that Sherdian is a good defensive coordinator but he’s not a coach. Let me repeat – he’s good at scheming (or else he wouldn’t have made it this far in his career) but he’s not good at translating that to his players.
In other words, he’s not good at getting his players to understand their roles depending on the Offensive lineup and the variation of routes they run and where they should be in the zone.
Keep Sheridan around (demotion) and go after a proven DC in the offseason. Until then, I’m not sure we’ll know who is bad on defense or not.
that's a good point...
yet, while I’ll hold out hope that the season turns around….
..if the season still goes this way, I dunno how you can keep ANYONE on the defensive staff.
Injuries..nagging or season ending, have of course played a part. But even in my time watching Giants football…a teal hasn’t been this far down the league averages.
There would be a few ways to justify your idea..like say, they make the 2nd season and get bounced in round one.
But lets see how they do tonight.
I know basically their season is out of their hands, even if they do win out. But the Redskins have been playing well lately, even on offense. If they figure something out against them and gain some confidence..Sheridan may save some sort of job for himself.
I’ve been saying all along that he’s no 100% to blame for this season…but the DC usually takes the fall for something like this..and Sheridan himself knows it (he saw Tim Lewis get axed…)
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 21, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed - Finish Strong
I agree and I want to se the Giants finish strong and for once have a game where they don’t give up the big play. I’m fine with the other teams scoring and that is reasonable in the NFL but I hate the big play.
For once defense – (and don’t give me that crap they did it in the first 5 games, we just weren’t exposeD) – don’t blow coverage on the big play.
That's a different and interesting insight and
one well worth pondering.
I respectfully disagree
Too many times in key situations I’ve seen key players on the sidelines. Think last week vs Philly. They’re in the red zone, and he pulls a disgruntled Osi out? Spags succeeded b/c he realized that the best players needed to be on the field at the same time. It’s why Kiwi got moved to LB, and DEs got placed inside, all while keeping a healthy rotation. That was the key to the 4 Aces package.
As for the secondary, I just want to see CBs up on the line and using that 5 yard bump. It’ll be a whole lot easier for the safeties to pick up WRs if you disrupt the timing of the route.
Osi was out
Simply because it was a running situation. He’s helpless against the run, and everyone has to realize Osi is no longer a star player. He’s a pass-rush specialist, no more.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 21, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
i downloaded
madden arcade for xbox to tide me over until kickoff, been playing as the giants and had to switch t controlling AP because as osi i run right past the running back.
Thats and interesting take on BS
I think there is a lot of merit to it. Like I’ve stated before something’s missing maybe it’s BS’s inability to get his guys to understand things.
another BS shortcoming
that’s a good point Yankee. I also think he makes very poor halftime adjustments. In fact, I think he makes no adjustments; just sticks to the gameplan he started the game with. A big reason why Spags was successful was that he always found a way to make adjustments in the second half to take away whats been working for the opponent. BS has never been able to stop the bleeding. Broncos continued to run wide on us throughout the game and it kept working, Cowbelles kept taking the yardage in the middle of the field and Witten went for a big day and DJax kept splitting out safeties and we never made the necessary adjustments.
When do they post inactives??
Im hoping for a Barden sighting,
I think it would be worthwhile to get him out against a defense that cant gameplan against someone they have never seen .
Seriously - Can Barden be that bad?
Why has this guy been MIA? I think sometimes that TC is a better fit for the college game as he doesn’t like to play new talent. I know, I know, some of you will say that Nicks is out there but I think he does that because he is forced to get the hig money talent out there.
What’s worse is when we are being blown out they don’t even put him on the field. I saw a similar approach with Manningham and now we have him making rookie mistakes in year 2 instead of year 1. Beatty is only playing due to injury as well but that one I can understand.
Put Barden in the game and let him build some confidence or fail so he understands what to do in the offseason.
Redshirt?
TC knows that there are no redshirts in the NFL, right? Joking aside, I understand that having Barden active would put a gap in special teams, especially on kickoffs. But, he is a large, athletic target that could help on 3rd downs (even though Smith is doing great there), and be an asset inside the 20 (I don’t know what to consider the zone anymore).
Thats pretty much it, ST's!
The coaching staff doesn’t think Barden is up to ST contribution standards. When actually these units have been sub-standard.
you said it there....
Our STs have certainly been sub-standard….. imagine how bad they would be without Hagan. I don’t see any way we could de-activate him.
Actually the real reason.....
That Barden is always “inactive” is he’s a good chess player and someone has to be available to keep Moss busy on gamedays.
Manningham was injured
It wasn’t for lack of wanting him out there. He missed training camp, and he isn’t too smart to begin with, so they couldn’t put him out there risking he would run say a go route instead of a slant.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
According to Roto World
The Giants sent him home before Thursdays practice, but he did practice on Friday. They also expected him to play tonight. It’s probably something minor, given it is cold and flu season!
They any relation to Roto-Rooter?
Cus our defense needs an enimna..
Greg
I think it was Cantagettafootainboundsitis…hopefully with antibiotics and intense physical therapy, he will be cured by tonight!!!!
I think it was worse than that David..
I believe it was Theresnoplacelikekeepingmystupidassfeetinboundsbyrunningahalfwaysimpleoutpatternthatpopwarnerkidscanrunandnotshootmymouthoffforbeinganidiotitis..That’s serious…
Don't Shoot The Messenger:
Redskins 27 Giants 19
Fail.
You got shot.
Revived..
Shot.
Wash. Repeat.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 21, 2009 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Boom
headshot
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
rofl
Oh, and that should have been a reply to zillag, but I think everyone knew that
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
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