New York Giants notes: Seubert finally admits playing hurt
by Ed Valentine on Dec 21, 2009 7:00 AM EST
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Here are a few stories to keep you entertained as you wait ... and wait ... and wait for tonight's Monday Night Football kickoff.
Let's start with this. I have suspected it since training camp, when New York Giants guard Rich Seubert skipped several days of practice, and we have discussed many times the possibility that Seubert has been been playing hurt. Seubert has not appeared on the Giants' injury report at all this season, but Mike Garafolo has finally gotten Seubert to admit he is playing with a shoulder injury.
"It feels good. I’m out there playing," Seubert said. "I’m an O-linemen. I’ve been through worse. Something isn’t going to keep me out until the coaches say I can’t play anymore."
Seubert has not had a good season, by his standards, and Garafolo reported that offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride knows Seubert is not 100 percent.
"I don’t want to make it a sob story, but he has my admiration the way he fights through that stuff," Gilbride said. ""He won’t even mention it. He doesn’t want to talk about it. Let’s just move on."
More injury news
Ralph Vacchiano reports that offensive tackle Kareem McKenzie and cornerback Corey Webster did not make the trip to Washington and will not play. On the plus side, Aaron Ross expects to play. Let's just hope Ross doesn't pull up lame while chasing a receiver down the field and surrender a big play.
Smith's dreams coming true
For Steve Smith, who has already set the Giants' single-season receiving record, his personal accomplishments this season are beyond even what he hoped for.
"I said before the season I wanted to have one of the greatest Giants seasons ever," Smith said. "And I didn't really realize that it could come true."
A little more than a year since Burress shot himself in the thigh before a game against the Redskins last November, the Giants return to Washington tomorrow night with a receiver who's having a record-setting season. Smith enters the game, now more crucial to Big Blue after the Cowboys ended the Saints' perfect season Saturday night, with 85 receptions, tied for fifth-most in the NFL with Arizona's superstar receiver Larry Fitzgerald. Smith, who has more catches than stars such as Houston's Andre Johnson and New England's Randy Moss, already has topped Amani Toomer's single-season team record of 82 catches set back in 2002 and needs just 15 more catches to reach 100 with three games remaining. That would be a remarkable achievement considering few figured Smith or any of the Giants' receivers would be able to fill the huge void left by Burress.
"All the naysayers and all the things we were hearing all season long ... it's not that people didn't believe, they just didn't know about us," Smith said. "We all had confidence and knew what we could do. We had a quiet confidence amongst ourselves. It is just about opportunity."
Despite not being nearly as big nor as fast as Burress, the 5-11 Smith has become Eli Manning's go-to guy. Smith has 1,053 yards receiving and five touchdowns. While rookie Hakeem Nicks and wide receiver Mario Manningham have proven to be explosive playmakers, Smith has been the rock of the receiving corps.
"I am not surprised," Manning said of his new favorite target. "I knew Steve would have a great year going into his third year. He has always been a key guy on third down working in the slot and moving him around. I knew when he became the starter, being on the field for every play, he was going to emerge and step up and make some outstanding plays for us."
About those Cowboys
Like it or not, the Cowboys were extremely impressive in beating New Orleans Saturday night. Via Twitter, Ian O'Connor opined that they looked like a certain team from 2007.
Could it be that 2009 Dallas is 2007 Giants? Head coach and QB on the brink before very late season run makes everyone a forever hero.
Peter King said it was the performance the Cowboys had been hoping for all season.
Other notes
- Former Giants coach Jim Fassel is reportedly a candidate for the Oakland job if the Raiders fire Tom Cable. Fassel has been down this road before, with both Oakland and Washington. I have never understood why he hasn't been given another opportunity. I still think he deserves one.
- Mike Shanahan seems next in line for the Redskins job. The D.C. Sports Bog (yes, Bog) summarizes the various reports circulating about Shanahan.
- I missed it the other day, but Dec. 18 marked the 75th anniversary of the famous 'sneakers game.'
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THe thing with Fassel
is he has a bad rap for being a loose cannon.
Drinking, gambling, womanizing . . . the Giants did not care for him much after a while, they wanted to get rid of him in 01 and hire Fox as HC a year removed from a SB appearance
Where
did you get that from Landeta? Those are allegations against Fassel I have never heard before.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 21, 2009 7:57 AM EST up reply actions
i think
he’s talking about kerry collins. heyyyooooooo!
Fassel
Everyone forgets that he was the Ravens Off Coordinator for half a season and was fired. That didn’t help his ability to get another job and I think most people remember how badly he lost the team that last year. That was truly the prisoners running the prison.
People also forget he was able to get Sean Peyton his first gig but also demoted him.
Yea all true and the Ravens thing
definatley had some effect on him getting a HC job but he took that job a few years after he was let go by the G-Men so he still had plenty of opportunities and was turned down.
The Sean Payton thing had no effect. The O was doing awful under Payton in 02 then Fassel took it over and they were a machine. Amani set the single season team receiving record that year, Kerry set single season team passing record, Shockey se teamt rookie record for receptions. Tiki had a great year running and recieving. The O was very good the second half that year when Fassel took over and it got them into the playoffs
Well it's not the best source
but I’ve heard the talk guys on WFAN bring it up a couple of times over the years. Benigo and Francesa. There have been no specific stories but I’ve heard those guys discuss it when the topic of Fassel comes up and why he’s never gotten a HC position. Francesa kept it under raps for a while and would only say in his arrogant way “well I know why Fassel has not gotten another job but I won’t go into it” but over the past couple of years I’ve heard more specific stuff about his personality from both Mike and Joe. One of them also mentioned on air a while back that after Fassel was let go from the Giants Wellington Mara did not reccomend him to other teams which was extremely rare from him (I really don’t know how true that last one is about Wellington.)
Like I said it’s not the best source so take it with a grain of salt, I buy into it a to some degree because why in the world has this guy not gotten another HC job, while Wade Phillips, Norv Turner, Dick Juaron, Dennis Erikson have gotten second and third chances. Hell KG is mentioned as a HC candiate and he was awful in SD as a HC. Jim Zorn was never even a coordinator and he got the job in DC over Fassel after Spags pulled out. The only team that seems to have any interest in Fassel year after year is the Raiders and their current coach in known wife beater.
Like I said take it for what it is nothing specfic but rumors from guys at WFAN but it does make some sense considering who he’s been past over for.
I've actually heard that before too
Although from the same sources as well, but makes sense in the context that you lay out. I buy it.
Francesa
Considering that he is basically a windbag with incredibly obvious biases, I would like to hear corroboration from other places. Interesting, though.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 21, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
I agree..I liked listening to WFAN..Everyday for years and years..
But he is basically a self-made blowhard, and mad-dog is a side-kick nit-wit..I think I only listened to them because they reminded me of Laurel and Hardy..Joe Benigo is a pathetic idiot..I think he is only there to polish Francesca’s shoes..because he hasn’t been able to see them once he puts them on for years..The tabloids have more credibility than those boobs do…I think Fassel hasn’t received another shot because he hasn’t sold a solid plan to any team..
The thing about the GIants wanting Fox to take over in 01
was in Ernie Acorsi book “The Season.” Fassel was breaking the Giants chops about something and EA’s response no big deal if we loose you we’ll just hire Fox to be HC. THe Mara’s loved Fox and Fox wanted to be the Giant’s HC really bad .
Well, the Raiders already have J.P. Losman, whom Fassel led...
…to a UFL Championship this November. The future of the Raiders looks bright.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 21, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
as if he the only coach with this affliction
Personally I think Fassel did a mostly good job here as Giants coach and a team could do worse than to hire him.
Seubert
Well, you can’t fault him for not wanting to play, but it’s the idea that at some point throughout the year, he should be honest with himself and the Giants. If his shoulder has been affecting his play (apparently it has) then he should’ve had it looked at sooner. What he thinks he can play through and the given results can be different.
Afterall, the running game hasn’t been the same and pass protection hasn’t exactly been great, but i know he is only 1/5th of the equation. I’m just saying, we could’ve had Deihl slide over and put Beatty in at LT for the short term until Seubert was able to contribute at his standards.
Richie Seubert is a warrior...
…no one can dispute that. The fact that he returned from a career-threatening injury in which his leg was shattered to pieces to play at a high-level in this league is a testament to that. As much as I respect his heart and determination, I feel that he is nearing the tail end of his run in this league. Hopefully the boys upstairs have some sort of transition plan in mind when it comes time to phase out the longest tenured Giant at present.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 21, 2009 8:35 AM EST reply actions
I think it might be
draft an O-Tackle to replace McKenzie, move Beaty to LT and move Diehl to Seuberts spot. Not sure if it happens this year but that would seem to make the most sense.
not a bad plan...
…plus, anything that enhances versatility on our O-line will allow us to be more flexible with the moving parts if someone is to go down with an injury. I keep thinking about how HOFer Bruce Matthews played more than a full 16-game season at every position on the O-line in his career (mind you, he played for about 55 years…)
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 21, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Well...
Normally I’d be pissed about no Webster….but they haven’t had Webster for weeks.
Any injury on D is whatever…gonna have to go with O anyway.
If the D plays well..its not cuz of the corners anyway, its cuz Tuck did something.
He’s the lynchpin…he’s done nothing all year.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
I'm sorry, but
’09 Cowboys does not = ’07 Giants. Why? Because Wade Phillips does not = TC. Not even close.
well...
you’d be hard pressed to hear different from Cowboy fans. Well…at least the idiot ones.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 21, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I was referring to a potential
playoff run for the ’girls, but definitely!
by potroast on Dec 21, 2009 11:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Cowgirls got lucky
I’m not saying they didn’t play a great game, because they obviously did, certainly far better than we did, but I think NO crapped the bed a bit, especially that LT Bushrod. If they had gotten their protection schemes fixed, Brees would have led the comeback. I was far more impressed with how Washington banged on them the week before. Now we just have to hope that we can outscore them and they can take it to Dallas the next week. What a cluster at the top of the NFC this year!
I won't finish this..but we created our own "Cluster-..."
Now we have to fix it starting tonight..I’m already at 11:15 am EST so wound up..My ass can tell time…
I was trying to keep it clean :-)
…. and yes, we certainly did create this ourselves, but even if we were where, say, the Iggles are now, it’d still be just as much of a mess. Uh, yay parity…
Very true TNY..It is hard to tell..
Which NFC East team is going to show up for the game..It is a good thing I am already nuts..because if I wasn’t, I’d be going nuts!
Not for nothing...
but Seubert really didn’t have to say anything.
i think it’s rather apparent that he’s been playing injured.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Re Fassel:
His inability to secure an HC job has been puzzling. That’s what makes L’ s info credible. If true, it takes away the mystery. At the same time, Bobbi’s take makes sense as a reason for F’s not getting a job. The question I have about that is why, with his experience, F can’t come up with a solid plan, etc.? Accept either story and the mystery is resoved. Reject them both and it remains.
+1 to those of you who lauded Seubert for his comeback from the shattered leg. It took a long time and I think it demonstrated enormous character. IMO, many would have given up.
Fassels situation is very dumbfounding...
He is mostly offense-minded..and teams seem to be selecting defensive -minded coaches..Although it looks like the Skins may very well break that trend with Shanahan..
…and I agree about Seubert’s comeback..he’s tough as nails.
I know why Fassell hasn't secured a job.
It’s a little personnel decision called TREY JUNKINS.
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
Need a TE
Don’t get me wrong but I love Kevin Boss. If we’re not going to have a dominant WR then we need a TE that can garner enough LB and Safety attention so teams can’t double our WR’s.
If you need an example then look what happened to the Saints when Shockey was out and it allowed the Safeties for Dallas to cheat a little more and double the wideouts.
Keep Boss but try to find a TE that can garner a little more attention in the middle of the field which should help the run a little more.
Not suer they can burn a high pick on this since we need OL help but maybe FA (nobody comes to mind).
I think Boss is capable of being focused on more...
he’s obviously not agile enough to be the YAC demon that someone like Witten is.
But there’s no reason for this GIants team, with these coaches, to go and burn a pick on a TE.
They don’t use it. Boss is solid. That’s all they can ask for. They also have a potentially good pass catching TE in Beckum, dunno what they have there yet.
The only thing I’d like to see them find, by any means, is a big blocking TE. I think they got rid of Mike Matthews not knowing how valuable a 6"2 300lbs TE was for them.
And you’re way off on the WR thing…the GIants sure as hell have a dominant WR…its not by sheer luck Steve Smith is gonna shatter the single season records for Giants WR. Nicks has the potential to be actually good, not just a decoy like Plaxico. HAM will be great should he learn to stay in bounds.
The GIants have no need at all to get a single ‘weapon’ for the pass O. I’d be fine with a RB, someone like Spiller if he fell to them (tho a DT or even a DE like Derrick Morgan would be better).
But no way do they need a TE.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 21, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Dallas played very well but
Curse, I think you nailed it on the head, since Shockey has been shaky, the Saints have had a harder time keeping up with teams. That being said, Dallas showed us all something on Saturday. i hat to say it, but that win, may have called curtains even if we find a way to win-out. Also, it means the Vikes might actually have something to play for when we face them. Speaking of which what’s gotten into Carolina! I don’t think there’s going to be an easy out in any of the last 3 games!
No
Shockey’s done shit most of his games
I have him on my fantasy team. He’s had maybe two statistically good games. That was DeMarcus Ware shutting down Dree Brees last night
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