New York Giants News & Notes: Are the Giants a Playoff Team?
- Eli Manning certainly seems to think so:
"I think we are a playoff team. We have the talent and the guys that can definitely get there. We’re not in the exact position that you want to be in right now, but if we’re going to make the playoffs, we’re going to have to get hot, and if we go into the playoffs, we’re going to be a team that’s been playing real well and coming off a hot streak and playing our best football."
- Gary Myers, on the other hand, is pretty sure they aren't:
"There's no indication they have it in them to reach down deep, show some of the old Giants pride and put this season back together. That means by the time they absorb the one-two punch from the Cowboys and Eagles in back-to-back home games, they will be knocked out of the NFC East race and hanging on the ropes in the wild-card fight."
- Mike Vaccaro thinks that Eli Manning needs to carry the Giants if they intend on making a playoff run, a sentiment that is echoed by Josh Alper of NBC Sports. Alper thinks the Giants need to come out like they have nothing to lose, "like a boxer behind on points in the 11th." Alper also says that "Manning's the best player on the team, so let him loose." Can't say I disagree with that.
- Speaking of Manning, he discussed his injury and dismissed it as a cause of his less than stellar play on Thanksgiving:
"I am a guy who doesn’t really like to be in the training room and try to avoid it as much as possible. I only go there when I truly need it, so that has probably been the biggest annoyance. Trying to deal with it, I am not thinking about it when I’m playing the games. I am not thinking about it and worried about it."
- Justin Tuck talked about the loss of Antonio Pierce, going up against Flozell Adams, and why he's optimistic this week.
- Forget about Charlie Weis as a potential replacement for Kevin Gilbride should he get a head coaching job elsewhere or get fired by the Giants (is there anyone who has a wider perception gap between his supporters and his detractors than Gilbride?) I actually have to say I'm a little disappointed in this news - Weis may not have been a great college coach, but offense was never his problem at Notre Dame. I think he's one of the best offensive minds in the game, and while I don't think Gilbride is terrible, I think Weis would definitely be an improvement.
- Finally, the NY Times 5th Down Blog continues its countdown of the Top 10 Giants moments at Giants Stadium with George Martin's slow motion interception return. I am too young to remember that play, but I've seen the video many times and always get a kick out of it. It's a good thing John Elway was one of the greatest QB's of all-time, because he definitely wasn't going to make it as a defensive player with tackling skills like that.
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Does not shock me at all about Charlie
TC has never remained close with any of those “Parcells, Bellicheck” guys he kinda has his own guys. I never even thought about the fact Charlie interviewed for TC’s job. The article was right that would be a nightmare with his ego. I think Charlie ends up back in NE with Bellicheck maybe KC with Pioli and Haley, but Haley is an offesive guy too and also also an egotistical Jerk like Charlie.
I don't know
I think Charlie’s big ego might have taken a hit. He seemed to actually show some humility this year. Besides, why would it be awkward for TC anymore? Weis has proven he’s not a HC.
I think it would be a problem because
if you heard Charlie’s comments after leaving ND he was not humbled at all. He kept talking about how he’s a pro coach and belongs in the NFL. Also TC is an offensive guy like Charlie with a different philosophy. TC is run and throw deep no matter what. Charlie is more short passes screens and is actually more flexabile in his philosophy. I just don’t think either one would be on the same page gameplanning wise and niether would be willing to compromise.
by Landeta on Dec 2, 2009 11:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Eli carrying the team
isn’t the solution, Eli doesn’t play defense, if the defense was just respectable the giants would be no worse then 8-3 and we wouldn’t be asking these questions,if they can hold Dallas to 21 pts we win, and that’s a big if at this point,I have all the confidence in the world Eli will do what he has to do if the defense does their part.
Offense and defense
We have spent a lot of time here hashing out the Giants running game, Eli’s foot, etc. Fact is, the offense has been plenty good enough. This team is 6-5 mostly because the defense has been terrible. If the defense doesn’t improve, it really doesn’t matter what Eli does.
I hope he can..
Pull five of them out..Plus there are players on that team that need a good old Parcells lecture..You know the one about whether or not they can expect to be in a Giants uniform next year..They need a fire lit under their collective butts.
I'd rather not rely on Eli to carry the team.
At least, not to start off. The offensive line is simply not good enough right now to hold up for a 40+ throw game, so it would work against them. Also, they’ll just drop 8 guys into coverage and probably get pressure with 3 men, like Denver did.
No. They need to come out and at least try to run the ball. 2 straight runs to start off. Someone do THIS to Brandon Jacobs before the game. He should have no problem being “up” for this game, but do it just in case.
And get creative on defense. Not, Osi covering Witten creative. Maybe some stunts with the DT’s (where’s THAT been?), fake the Blitz from one side and come from the other, send CC Brown on a blitz.
Come out and dictate the game. Don’t let the other team tell you what to do.
Hell yea we’re a playoff team and SB contender. But they need to STFU about it and play like one.
(and if Steve Smith drops another pass over the middle…yea, we’re boned again).
"It ain't over till its over"---
Eli carrying them was not the recipe for success
going into the season and thats why they are where they are. Not that he’s been awful but with a new inexpierenced WR group I’m happy with what we’ve gotten out of the passing game so far this year.
BJ has been soft since the end of last year when he hurt his knee. He ran hard in the preseason but thats it. I’ve lost confidence in him and all I’ve heard this season is that “this will be the week BJ breaks out”. He has’nt and I don’t think he will. I know Ware fumbled but I would give him a chance to jumpstart the running game he hits the holes harder.
yea.
I’m pretty much over with the “this is the week for Jake” stuff.
He does it, he does it.
But I think we gotta worry more about “freeing Ware” and maybe getting Gartrell involved (is Bradshaw even gonna play this week?)
"It ain't over till its over"---
Hell yea we’re a playoff team and SB contender. But they need to STFU about it and play like one.
So what you are saying is…we need to step up and make big plays???? ;)
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 2, 2009 7:56 AM EST up reply actions
yes.
step up and make big plays.
But who?
Jacobs.
Jacobs needs to step up and make big plays.
I’m gonna be extra pissed if I don’t see him score a TD and throw the ball against the play clock out there.
"It ain't over till its over"---
...but the other dudes need to step up too.
I’m pretty much done with Jacobs.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Agreed Free
Eli has been doing all he can. It’s up to the O-line to pull their heads out of their collective you know whats and establish a running game. That’s how the Giants improve.
agreed
the stronger team in the trenches wins this game… as is usually the case
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 2, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
That George Martin Play was unbelievable
I was a kid but I remember it very well. They were playing a stinker of game, playing down to competition and doing nothing on O, typicall of the 86 team until the last couple of weeks and the playoffs. Denver was driving to take a big lead then big George makes that play. The best part was LT trying to get George to lateral it to him the last 30 yards and then tackleing him in the Endzone. That was their only TD that day the rest of the scoring was 4 Raul Alegre FG’s and one at the buzzer to win it. THEY COULD NOT SCORE TD IN THE REDZONE THEN! Arguably the greatest Giant team in history had that problem.
The cherry on top...
…was Martin’ saftey in Super Bowl XXI.
George Martin 2 – John Elway 0
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 2, 2009 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
Yes that was a memorable play..
I don’t want to give away my age, but I wasn’t a kid..Not only was it a great play, but it was one hell of a funny one..Watching him rumbling down the field like Fred Flintstone driving his car, while the LT Corvette honking his horn at him…The key to that championship run was fourth and 17 in Minnesota..We never lost a game the rest of the season after that play..Also we had our big blue wrecking crew defense..That was a historic season, a season we waited 21 years for..The defense we are fielding today is talented but dysfunctional..Belicheck would have that straightened out in a week, John Fox?..Two weeks..If we still had Spags?..This problem wouldn’t exist in the first place..Sheridan needs to go..Alot of folks say send him upstairs where he wants to be..I say what is that going to do?..It’s the same lame defensive schemes for crying out loud..maybe they should just let him sit in the parking lot with a cellphone..He doesn’t need to watch the game because he can’t make gametime adjustments anyway.
Oh 1986
a season filled with big plays – the season ending walloping of Green Bay – the thrashing of the 49ers and doing the triple over the Skins and finally smashing the Broncos in the second half of the Superbowl.
by G Fan in England on Dec 2, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions
When this season is over...
…the AZ and SD games are going to haunt us (as they should!) in the offseason. We’d be singing a very different tune right now had a few plays gone differently and we were sitting at 8-3…
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 2, 2009 7:57 AM EST reply actions
But just as equally
we could have lost the Cowboys and Falcons games!
We need the defence to play a solid game for the whole 60 minutes – if they do that we have a chance. Let us not forget that the Cowboys have the no 2 defence in terms of points conceded so saying Eli is going to light up the scoreboard could be pushing it to far.
by G Fan in England on Dec 2, 2009 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
While I forever see myself as a Giant optimist, I just don’t think they have the horses. The defense just looks wrong, the running game isn’t dominating anyone, the offensive line isn’t working the way it has in the past.
Seeing as how those are the three elements for “Giants Success 101”, it’s hard for me to even think about the postseason at this point.
Something is missing from this team. I think that New Orleans game completely shook their psyche, and they haven’t been able to recover. The “moxie” is gone from their game.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Dec 2, 2009 8:56 AM EST reply actions
Difference between hope and fact
I am so pessimistic about the rest of the season because when we talk about the Giants we talk of hope rather than fact.
The Cowboys like to run the ball up the middle. We are hoping our DT’s show uo rather than saying that is not a problem as our DT’s and MLB will stuff them all day.
You need to get to Romo early. We are hoping Tuck or Osi get in the same postcode rather than they will both get a sack each.
MIles Austin is their best receiver. We hope CWeb will limit the damage rather than he will shut him out of the game.
We hope Boley can cover Witten over the middle rather than we will take away Romo’s security blanket.
We hope our OL pass blocks better rather than they will not get to Eli.
We hope Jacobs will pound them all day rather than running to the sideline.
We hope the Red zone play calls are better rather than we are unstoppable when we get near the goalline.
I think you get my drift – we are all full of hope but we have very little foundation upon which to base that hope on.
Yes it can change but we have seen little improvement over the last few weeks that things are being adjusted.
by G Fan in England on Dec 2, 2009 9:05 AM EST reply actions
This is it
You sumed up my feelings on the 2009 NY Giants, however I would like to point out that it ain’t over till it’s over. Look at Sundays game like this, even though the Giants have given us no reason to hope, think or believe they will beat Dallas Sunday, the 09 Giants will eitether prove they are a playoff team or they will prove they deserve a high draft pick.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 2, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions
The Meadowlands...
It is the time of year as I said before where the stadium will be a swirling wind tunnel..The running game is going to be the key for both teams to have a shot at winning, since Dallas blasted us for 250+ yards in the first game and ours is non-existent, something needs to be done in a hurry..Passing is not going to be much of a weapon run offense and run defense will be..The only QB to ever conquer that wind was Phil Simms..Eli hasn’t had success and neither has Romo..It will come down to the running game..Has anyone heard any news on AB?
Giants
Except for 2007, the Giants have been one and done each year they’ve made the playoffs under Eli/Coughlin so given their current situation I’m not optimistic.
In my opinion Weis basically runs the same run and shoot offense that Gilbride has the Giants running now. So I don’t know if he would be much of an improvement. If I could wave a magic wand I would hire Norv Turner as our OC. The offense he ran when he was with the Cowboys under Jimmy Johnson is what I’d like to see the Giants run: a power running game that uses a lot of play action passing and utilizes the TE a lot.
The best part of that George Martin INT was the way he shrugged off Elway like water off a duck’s back.
Season Forecast
If we had been showing pride in our play…even in losing efforts…then, I could be optimistic. It seems that something or someone has ripped the collective desire and pride out of many or to some extent all the team members but especially the defensive team. This problem appears to be systemic in terms of lack of motivation, and poor schemes, which leads individual players to underperform even more. Add to this key injuries for significant portions of the season and you have a team in disarray.
Anything is possible, however it’s not likely that with the poor coaching, especially on defense there is reason to be hopeful for a complete turn around to save the season.
Rest of the Season
I also like to think of myself as an optimist as well but I am having trouble finding anything to be optimistic about.
Injuries have killed this team, I know every team has them but I think they really have affected esp the defense.
Would we be having some of the problems on Defense if Kenny was back there playing safety? I don’t believe they would be nearly as noticeable.
With the Dallas game this weekend, I actually think we have a shot at winning the game. This is the perfect medicine, NFC East battle. Weather could be an issue, Run the ball and STOP the run.. everyone that knows the Giants knows thats how we can win. The execution of that well remains to be seen.
This is a team sport and THE TEAM must play better as a whole for us to have a chance to beat Dallas this weekend….The guys should be fired up for this one..
The Kevin Gilbride puzzle
I have a serious love hate relationship with him. To me it seems like Kevin either has his A game going or his D game. There is never anything in between either we have Good Kevin or Bad Kevin. This will be a very important offseason for JR becuase the Giants can very easily slip down to the also rans of the league. I hope he looks at both the coaches and the players when he decides to go forward, Yes KG is a decent NFL coordinator and yes you can win with him, but is there someone out there who is better and could bring Eli and our young recievers to the next level. Charlie Weiss fit’s the bill and I hope we at least talk to the man before we commit another season to Gilbride!
by Late for Dinner on Dec 2, 2009 10:55 AM EST reply actions
very true about gilbride
Vs the cowboys, genius.
Vs the Saints and Denver, not so much.
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Cowboys game
I may be drunk on coffee, but just had a vision: Giants 20 Cboys 17. It is mighty fine coffee.
The Cowboys are only scoring 17 points?
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 2, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions
Well
They scored 14 on Green Bay (who isn’t that good against the pass) and Washington combined before the Oakland game. I can see it.
"The Dallas Cowboys might be America's Team, but the New York Giants are America's DREAM team." -- Robert Tisch
Okay
Maybe its not a vision but a caffiene induced dream. I don’t think the boys will play badly. I think Giants will play like they did versus Chargers without the let down.
I have a vision, an idea
Could the timing be just perfect for the Giants to finally come out of this? Regardless of everything that has gone wrong or isn’t going right, the fact remains, it’s now December!
Let’s think for a moment that this is a big game for the Cowboys, and of course for the Giants. The Cowboys moreless want to stick a fork in us so as to gain more of an advantage at the division. So, the Cowboys will be on the road playing against a team that seems to be on the ropes. If i didn’t know any better, the Cowboys are notorious for not playing well in big games. I’m sure this game will have a playoff-like atmosphere.
It’ll be interesting to see how each team comes out early in this game. Is it me, or do teams that may have a margin for error, play a little tighter? Whereas a team that wants to be the spoiler, play looser?
So what better game for the D to show up? Get to Romo early and often and let him make the mistakes!
Amen Hootman
sadly enough, I think there’s almost no chance the Cowboys come out with a pathetic performance… I think they’ll play well and the Giants will have to play better. If anybody’s going to fold like 7-hi in a game of 5-card draw, it’s the Giants. I think we’ll know whether this team has a shot at the playoffs by the end of the first quarter.
Let me post it here first: I promise any future children to any deity who will take them if said deity can prove they caused the Giants to win this Sunday!
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 2, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
This game will really show everything we need to see
IF they come out flat again, time to write off the season.
If they come out flat again, time to seriously consider a chance at the top (not Coughlin, but definitely Sheriden and/or Killdrive).
If they come out pumped and motivated and use the home field advantage…they live to fight another day.
I'm hoping that home field
and extra days rest will provide the difference. We talk about must win situation, playoff atmospheres, backs against the wall, big games…..these were the same cliches that were used for the Denver game. I hope our team realize that we are in the playoffs now. Any slip and there is no chance for the post season.
Here's to hope!
But hope when hope is blind to fact, it swings into delusion and denial.
Facts are harsh: The Giants aren’t a very good team. their status on paper be damned.
But facts are also liberating: I won’t repeat the laundry list of things that need to be fixed. Luckily they’re out in the sunlight for all those not blinded by fandamonium to see.
Still, I’m a fan, so I hold out hope that they will beat the Cowboys.
My second Cousin Daemian (Icelandic death metal nut with a fondness for kipper pudding) insists that all the Giant’s have to do is pray allegiance to Beelzebub, which would be fine with both Satan AND Jehova as both deity’s consider the Cowboys to be
maxed out evil on Wheaties. Being agnostic, I’ll just settle for a little hope, keeping expectations honest, and being ready to go shopping if the Giants appear to be laying down like deflated bullies who want to go home because the other kids are playing too hard.
Hope?
I’m impressed that some of you have hope. The Giants D hasn’t stopped anyone in the last 6 games. I’m dreading Sunday, since I can’t imagine them suddenly figuring out something that they couldn’t come up with for the last month. Beats me if its Sheridan or the players, but either way the D has been as bad as anyone in the league the last 6 games, and watching Dallas drive the way everyone else has against our D this weekend is not a fun thought.
Know what?
I’m a competitive person. I want all the teams i root for to succseed.
Giants need to get their head of of their you know whats and SHOW SOME PRIDE.
I think i speak for all fans when i say this.
I think we all remember how we felt when eli threw that pass to tyree with 36 seconds left. Hope. Victory. GLIMMERING VICTORY.
I have to say, it was one of the most BEAUTIFUL moments of my adult life.
i WANT that feeling again. the feeling that we were on TOP. that we were in control of our destiny, that we could do anything and everything.
Blame it on the injurys, but what about whos still standing?
ARE WE GONNA LET SOME HALF A** TEAMS PUSH US AROUND? yeah we can talk about stats, im a reasonable person. But there comes a time when we NEED TO STAND UP. Doesnt matter if your from Jersey, New York, or ENGLAND EITHER. you arent a giant fan from england. YOU ARE A GIANT FAN. this team brings us together, as a group. its a beautiful thing.
this sunday WE need to fight for our honor. not at pushovers. but as giants.
I'm a Giants fan from Michigan
What are you trying to say?
"The Dallas Cowboys might be America's Team, but the New York Giants are America's DREAM team." -- Robert Tisch

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