Memo to Manningham: You're getting on our nerves, too!
by Ed Valentine on Dec 17, 2009 12:21 PM EST
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PrintSeems New York Giants wide receiver Mario Manningham is not too pleased with questions about his, umm, imprecise route running.
Manningham had two chances to score a touchdown in the Giants’ loss to Philadelphia on Sunday. He landed out of bounds on both.
The day after the game, the second-year receiver grew aggravated when asked about those plays — and about what he can do better on routes near the sideline.
"That isn’t the only route I run," Manningham said. "It looks like that’s the only route I run. Everybody’s saying I’m going to the sideline or whatever, like that’s the only route I run."
"It is (frustrating) because I ran worse routes than that, and that wasn’t even really a (bad) route," Manningham said. "I could have kept my feet in. I don’t really want to talk about it, because it gets on my nerves how I know that I ran a worse slant route (Sunday) and I caught the ball, but y’all didn’t see that because I caught it."
Hey, Mario, you're getting on our nerves, too. Because you are costing the Giants points. We love you, man, but you have to learn not to run yourself out of bounds. Please!
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HAM!!!
No one gets on you for the 4th down catch…cuz you’re supposed to do that!
No one’s gonna praise that, even tho it was a ‘key’ catch…cuz of what happened a few plays later.
You’re not staying in bounds cost points on Sunday…and plenty of other times (I know the one against the Cardinals has gotta happen, and that one could’ve tied the game up.
For real…HAM!!! has the tools to be a very good WR (he IS catching the ball…he IS getting wide open).
The ball’s not gonna be perfection every time, tho Eli’s passes are in a damn good spot.
Gotta come down with those. They’re throwing to ya HAM…cuz they’re counting on you.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
Let's not kill the kid, he needs thicker skin
This is NY if you sneeze and don’t cover your nose the fans are gonna know. He is going through a learning curve, I am sure he will keep working hard, just sometimes when your his age you don’t want to hear the critisism all the time. He will learn.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 17, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
No one likes to hear criticism. Gotta deal with it to succeed in New York, though.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 17, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions
Very true..keywords: He's just a kid..
I’ll give him a bit of a break for getting testy, but I would hope the coaches are on him..My boys get a little testy with me too..I just don’t pay them millions for complaining.
I know..
I’m glad that’s his only problem…(not happy that’s its cost the Giants..and it has..)
I think HAM’s gonna be very good. Not just good..very good.
I criticize cuz I see greatness. Its better to let him know (whether he hears it , knows it…or not), cuz HAM has potential. Its there.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Manningham
The guy does have all the ability in the world. He could be a Pro Bowl caliber guy i he ever gains consistency, and runs more disciplined routes.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 17, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
This could be one of the dumbest comments ever.
“I could have kept my feet in. I don’t really want to talk about it, because it gets on my nerves how I know that I ran a worse slant route (Sunday) and I caught the ball, but y’all didn’t see that because I caught it.”
Kid can’t keep his feet in bounds but he knows how to put a foot in his mouth. If you could have kept your feet in, then why didn’t you? No more fades or corner routes to Ham. Screens, slants and post routes. That should be safe enough for him to stay in bounds.
bear in mind who it's coming from....
Mario “6” Manningham.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
??????
“I know that I ran a worse slant route (Sunday) and I caught the ball, but y’all didn’t see that because I caught it”…No kidding, “bad Slant route”?..Could have kept your feet inbounds?…Take a damn seat on the bench…bad routes my butt..Learn how to run an outside..route…and if you admit your running lousy routes, then that means all your catches are sheer luck.
I really hope Mario wasn't serious
when he implied the passes could be better.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Ladies and Gentlemen
Welcome to the Hakim Nicks era. It’s comments like these that will keep Ham at #3 and borderline #4 receiver. You’re a great athlete Ham, but close mouth and open brain. Coughlin could not be too please with this.
I dunno about that...
I’d rather no phase HAM out…there’s a reason he’s open you know, and unlike Hakeem Nicks…………………………………………………HAM catches the ball (at least this game..)
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Not saying phase him out....
not at all, the kid is a player. I just think that Nicks should be the other starter and Ham the #3, but if he makes silly comments like this and that’s his attitude, then he could be flirting with missing snaps to Hixon.
He'll be a great player as long as he recognizes the fact that he is not running good routes...
The message he sends here is that he knows it and doesn’t care to hear about it..If he stays that course he’ll never be great..I’ll cut Nicks alot more slack, given he’s just starting to blend into a role out there and he’s a rookie.
As dumb as the comments are, lets not write off Manningham just yet. He is still very young and this is his first year seeing any significant playing time. Giants should bring in Well Dressed Amani Toomer as a WR coach; there’s a man who always knew where the sideline was.
Manningham
His strengths are clearly not route running and his hands..
But if we can get the ball to him in the open field he is extremely shifty and difficult to tackle..
Might be worth giving him a shot on returns and letting him develop his routes a bit more with hixon getting some more PT.
Jerry Rice used to say that seeing route lanes is the most important thing for a receiver.
by bigtrueblue on Dec 17, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno man...
his routes are not HORRIBLE…they’re pretty good actually…I mean, he’s WIDE OPEN isn’t he?
That’s gotta count for something right?
I’d rather he focus on FINISHING the play.
Plus…I think every single player with potential on the Giants…needs to stay FAAAR from the kicking games.
Remember Sehorn? What about Danny Ware this year? Cost him a ton…maybe even cost him a future with the Giants.
No..keep HAM where he’s at..keep throwing him the ball…and go from there.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
agreed....
his routes are not that bad. Yeah, he can run those sideline routes a bit better…but he does get separation….and usually is waiting for Eli to get him the ball.
I think more chemistry would not hurt at all….
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Please... not Hixon
Manningham is good, I promise. He just needs to adjust to the NFL. He’s not the most intelligent player, both on the field and in-front of the media, but he’s a damn good athlete with football instincts. He has a knack for the game, watch him a little more closely, you’ll see. I’m just disappointed with his choice of words. You can tell the kid’s frustrated, he needs someone to mentor him.
As for Hixon, he’s not a natural football player and never will be. He’s fast and seems determined with the right attitude, but doesn’t have the natural instinct when he’s on the field. He seems lost and needs to learn how to hold on to the ball, evident of last week’s game with 2 fumbles. The Eagles went for a third strip too but that back-fired for them. It’s not a consequence he’s been pulled for the rotation.
Go watch tape and highlights of his Michigan career. He made a living off of sideline routes. The difference is him learning how NFL DB’s will play him, which means forcing him to the sidelines. He WILL learn.
+1
good point.
to my mind, the difference is also the difference in talent level and competition in the NFL versus college, not so much learning how DBs will play him…
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 18, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
he usually does get one foot in bounds...oddly enough..
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 18, 2009 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
EXACTLY
He is fine, its just that he has not masteres the physicality a good NFL wide out has to play with. the kids foot work is actually superior to alot of the other wideouts on the giants, as a matter of fact thats why he was drafted speed and footwork, paying attention and being more convincing in his route running is what he needs to do, Nicks, mannningham and smith…….the future will be sweet and when barden comes along nxt yr ………………OUCH
B.G.
I agree
Does everybody forget the game against ATL when he was brilliant making sideline catches. Yes he needs to work on consistancy but I feel good with him as one of our WR’s. He’s a quality player that has the chance to be really good. I’m not worried about the comments, he needs to toughen up a bit but that will come.
He will be a quality player
Physically he can do it. Emotionally and intelligence-wise – not sure. Probably can, but not sure.
But he is one part of a three part equation. NFL teams need three starter quality WRs. Until Barden wades in – HAM is it. He’ll get better. Remember how we all loved him during the first few weeks?
always liked Mario....
never loved the guy…but always liked his potential. In fact I thought the giants put a little too much stock into those first couple of weeks. He made a nice play vs. Washington but i remember the giants having to burn a TimeOut because he didn’t line up in the right spot.
but i’m also the biggest Barden fan you’ll ever see so i’m always looking for a way to try to get him a snap or two.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
This just in...Chris Henry died of his injuries..
A troubled kid, a huge talent..what a tragedy..Some of these players just get pulled back into the very environment they worked so hard to get out of..They get paid a fortune and fall right back into the place they strived to get out of..
I think Ed already made a post...
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
He's a role player
I don’t see Manningham as a #2 receiver in the Giants future — I think the go to guys will be Nicks and Smith with key role players being Manningham and hopefully Barden. His answer to the question is most troubling — You aren’t ging to correct something until you admit there is a problem. Collinsworth had rightfully pointed out his inept route running several times this season and the EXACT same problem persists
He's good
The problem with Manningham is he’s technically a rookie this year. He saw almost zero playing time last year. Once they work on the offseason with some routes for him, I think he’ll get better. Kid has a talent for getting people to miss tackles and to stiff arm. I wish they’d use him in some Wildcat plays or maybe a double handoff. Maybe even a pitch or two since Bradshaw doesn’t have his speed this year.
Agreed on the first part
No wildcat, I think that would just confuse things more for him, and we don’t need it. I could see a play in the backfield to mess them up, or maybe give him another chance for an end around.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
RECEIVERS
THIS IS LIKELY TO BE THE RECEIVERS THAT TAKE ELI THROUGH THE PRIME YEARS
OF HIS CAREER, NOW THAT HE SEEMS TO A FULLY CAPABLE FRANCHISE QB, SUPERBOWL WAS THE FLASHPOINT FOR ELI. NICKS EVEN IN PRESEASON SEEMS TO FIND THE END ZONE, AND IS APPEARING TO JUSTIFY A FIRST ROUND PICK. SMITH IS A SOUTHERN CAL THOROBRED AND ELIS GO TO GUY, POSSESSION RECEIVER. HAM WAS A RISK DRAFT CHOICE, THAT HAS HAS A HUGE UPSIDE, AND WILL GET BETTER OR WILL BE GONE. HIXSON IS AN ADEQUETE # 4, BARDEN IS A
PROJECT AND MAY NOT BE READY FOR TESTING UNTIL NEXT PRESEASON AS A FUTURE CONTRIBUTOR. HAGAN MUST BE SHOWING SOMETHING. NOT MUCH IS SAID ABOUT HIM, MAYBE IS LIKE A TYREE ON SPECIAL TEAMS. MOSS IS A BUST. I DONT LOOK FOR GIANTS TO IN NEXT YEARS DRAFT FOR ANY RECEIVERS. MAYBE A
A BACK TO GO ALONG WITH JACOBS, WHO DOESNT SEEM TO HAVE A LONG SHELF LIFE. AS PUNISHMENT AS HE GIVES, HE GETS BACK PLENTY BEING GANG TACKLED, OR TAKING BIG HITS WHEN NOT UNDER A HEAD OF STEAM. DEFENSIVE
NEEDS BIG TIME REVAMPING
by sudden death overtime on Dec 17, 2009 7:31 PM EST reply actions
i never understand the whole caps lock thing...
isn’t it noticeable after like TWO WORDS?
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions
SAY WHAT????
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
OUCH!!! caps hurt my eyes
I believe also that for all intensive purposes this is Manninghams rookie season
and you gotta remember the reason we even got him was he fell out of favor because he got into a bit of trouble his senoir year. Reese gambled on him and I think its gonna pay off
I dont think I have ever been so excited about our wide outs as I am right now
Nicks is who we thought he was, Smith is on the verge of being a great receiver for a long time and I love Hixon he reminds me of little scrapper junkyard dog who will do whatever you ask of him. We have drafted some great offensive guys the last couple of years lets just hope we get the same results from our defense
It's good to hear some praise for Hixon.
IMO, most BBVers underrate him, although I believe that in the future he’ll be the fourth guy(if he’s not now.). The others are just seem better than he is.
I have no problem with Hixon at all...
his entire career seems to be defined by that one drop in the playoffs, fair or not.
He’s always injured when he gets extended time…kinda like Sinorice Moss, he never has gotten that full season under his belt, like Manningham and Nicks (not an entire season, but close) probably will this season, and Steve Smith got last season.
Hixon I think is in the last year of his contract. Should be interesting to see if he comes back (if its a cheap deal..I say why not?)>
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 17, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
What Manningham needs to do is...
…step up and make big plays.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 17, 2009 8:14 PM EST reply actions
I want Ham to succeed obviously
but did he really just try to convince us that running bad routes isn’t a big deal because no one noticed he ran a bad route when he caught the slant pass? Am I reading that right? He’s upset no one noticed that he still messed up on a successful play?
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by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 17, 2009 8:32 PM EST reply actions
Poor Kid
“I could have kept my feet in”? Amazing! Why didn’t you?
P.S. Step up and make big plays: I agree with your comment 100%. He really needs to… Yeah.
Manningham is fine for now
almost 700 yards in your first real season playing in the NFL, in the hardest possible position for a young guy to learn….. That is a good season for him and there are still 3 games to go. As long as he continues to improve he can be a real great player in this league. I mean Reggie Wayne had 716 yards in his second season and that is with Peyton Manning throwing to him and Marvin Harrison getting all the double coverage.
Mario just has to realize that there is room for improvement and just do it.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 18, 2009 1:07 AM EST reply actions
yea, i agree
don’t underestimate those 700 yards. it’s not just any number. i do agree this kid (i love how i call guys older than me kids, lol) has much to learn but i see soooo much potential in him.
personally, out of all the giants receivers i have the biggest soft spot for Ham but that’s only b/c i liked what i saw out of him in the first couple games. as of this isnt said enough but the giants have a BRIGHT WR future in the hands of smith, nicks, and ham. and personally, i like hixon. not the most naturally talented but…i still like him in the offbeat way, lol
Keep liking Hix, Suze
He needs all the affection he can get around here.
Dear Mario:
Your route running actually worries me less that your inability to catch the ball. Congratulations on making a play on Sunday, now do that more often and you might actually have a future in the NFL.
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