Top 10 reasons you have to want the Giants in the playoffs
by Ed Valentine on Dec 16, 2009 8:31 AM EST
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PrintI have been surprised by this week's playoff confidence poll, which currently shows 70% of those who have voted still believing our New York Giants will find a way into the tournament.
Yet, I still see a lot of comments saying, basically, that some folks don't care. They figure the Giants aren't good enough and they will most likely get their butts kicked in the first round. So, they might as well miss out and get a better draft pick. To be honest, I can't even begin to fathom that kind of thinking.
Assuming you are a Giants fan, here are the Top 10 reasons you have to root for the team to make the playoffs.
- The Giants making the playoffs means, almost assuredly, that the Dallas Cowboys don't. Really, that's enough of a reason right there. Who needs nine more?
- A possible third crack at Philadelphia. Wouldn't you love a shot at doing to the Eagles what they did to the Giants last season?
- The 2008 Arizona Cardinals. A 9-7 team in the Super Bowl? Don't have to look far to find one.
- The Minnesota Vikings. Yeah, they look like a juggernaut compared to the Giants right now. Gotta get excited about the possibility of ending another Brett Favre comeback season in misery, though. If that doesn't get you pumped up, nothing will.
- Jets fans would be insufferable if they somehow find a way into the playoffs and the Giants are left out.
- Speaking of insufferable, who wants to listen to Philly fans if the Giants don't even get into the tournament? Apologies to 'Bye, Dawk' and 'Joe_D,' of course.
- It's a looong off-season, even with making the playoffs. Sorry, draftniks, but I dread the thought of starting that discussion in earnest any earlier than I have to.
- You know that 'honey-do' list that just keeps growing? Don't you want an excuse to put that off for just a few more weekends?
- If you've got to listen to Joe Buck and Troy Aikman, or Kenny, Moose and Goose, the Giants might as well be playing in the game.
- The 2007 Giants, obviously. In Week 15 of that glorious season I doubt you would have found a soul anywhere who would have predicted a Giants Super Bowl championship. But, we will never forget what happened.
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I agree ed
You have to want them to get in, would love another shot at Philly, our defense sucked and we still almost won, and Dallas not getting in is the bonus. You never know what can happen, I’m not overly confident at this point, but as a fan I want them to win any game they play.
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Dec 16, 2009 7:19 AM EST reply actions
+100
I’d like another shot at Philly. I’m sure the Eagles and their fans wouldn’t be too eager to face us again.
Say we get in, face Philly, and lose again...
…making it 5 straight, including two consecutive years in the playoffs…I can see it now, the sports writers making their comparisons between the Celtics/Pistons rivalry of the late 80s, and later the Pistons/Bulls in the early 90s…Philly will somehow be that team we just couldn’t get past, the primary roadblock in our path to glory. That’s the story right there.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 16, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
or....
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
OFF TOPIC BUT..............................
WOULD EVERYONE PLEASE GET OFF BILL SHERIDAN’S CASE HE IS MAKING GREAT CALLS FOR THE MOST PART BUT WHEN THE PLAYERS DNT PLAY TO THEIR INTELLIGENCE AND ABILITY IT DOESNT MATTER WHO THE DC IS. BILL WAS ACTUALLY SPAGUNOLO’S FIRST CHOICE TO BE THE RAMS DC BUT TC SHUT THAT DOWN…….AS FOR THE PHILLY GAME A COVER 2 WOULDVE STOPPED JACKSON FROM THAT BIG PLAY BUT WHEN MICHAEL JOHNSON WHO IS NOT PLAYING LIKE HE DID LAST YEAR COMES OUT OF HIS ZONE TO BITE ON A BACK UP TE, HOW IS THAT SHERIDANS FAULT. I THINK THESE PLAYER OWE HIM AN APOLOGY BECAUSE THEY ARE MAKING HIM LOOK FOOLISH HE IS ONE OF THE BETTER MINDS IN FOOTBALL AND I HOPE HE IS THE DC FOR YRS TO COME…..HE DOESNT MAKE THE RIGHT CALL ALL THE TIME BUT THIS IS HIS FIRST YR BUT LAST I CHECKED MOST OF THE PLAYERS STARING ON DEFENSE ARE NFL VETS AND THEY SHOULD BE ASHAMED.
B.G.
Mr SHERIDAN
Thanks for posting here at BBV.
Oh now Frank..don't be too harsh on the guy..He's obviously a Stand-up Comedian..ILMAO!!
Now that is some really good material, right there..
defending 1 play....
sounds good.
but that play didn’t put 45 points on the board for Philly.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
To be fair
The defense gave up 31. Still not good. But, they were not responsible for all 45.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 16, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
correct
absolutely it didnt but it did give momentum right back to the eagles, our offense fought all game for a 1 point lead and that happens in 1 play cmon use common sense u get a stop there the game is totally diff but what do i know your the genius.
B.G.
what is going on today?
Do i really piss people off that much?
ok, fine the D didn’t give up 45 points they gave up 31. They’ve given up 40 points 3 times this year and 30+ points 5 times. Giants fans haven’t seen a defense this bad for 30+ years. the numbers don’t lie.
so when your trying to defense BS your going to need more than just 1 example.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
More to coaching then play calling
He is responsible to make sure these guys know their responsibilities and get them ready for the game. Fish usually stinks at the head. Now if they simply lacked the talent to get the job done there is precious little coahing can do to fix that but I really don’t think that’s the case here.
ACTUALLY
He is responsible for the scheme of things, the position coaches have to get them ready as well, i am not absolving him of any responsibility but then you have to blame TC as well if i follow your lead, but its a joke to think bill sheridan is the reason we r not getting to QB’s lol and the reason c.c. brown and michael johnson cant track the ball lol, also whos fault is it on missed tackles???? please enlighten me
B.G.
Calm down big fella...
No need to yell at us… Maybe you should be our new DC our players certainly could use someone yelling at them.. Unless your boy Bill turns the ship around the next 3 weeks and holds the scoring to UNDER 20pts a game the he is gone, whos fault it is doesnt matter at this point but production does and changes will be made.. He is the scape goat and any coach knows that going into the season, screw up its your fault and you will be looking for a new job at the end of the season…
god do we miss spags
LOL
wasnt yelling just sayin all you guys will be back on sheridans side when the PLAYERS start to play well, Ummmmm spags defense good at all this yr, they were actually better last year…….my point is as a fan i understand where you guys are coming from but as a man these players line up and have to do there job stop with the mis communication excuses and the " they max protected" non sense, are you honestly telling me those players are playing hard every snap LOL
B.G.
nope
None of them look like they give a damn and it pisses me off because this is one of the best passing offenses i’ve seen on our team, my point is someone has to take the blame and it’s easier to get rid of a coach rather then 11 starters… specially since those 11 starters have played well before, maybe they just dont respect Bill.. I really have no clue I just want something to change regardless of how it happens. Giants fans love great defense.
I love all of the wise ass remarks from the regulars to this post
escpecailly the one about the CAPS . . lol
wow
Did you just imply that I should be trying to endear my self to people on a blog i will probably never meet……………………someone get this guy a girlfriend
B.G.
he did it again...
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Hey, Blue
What he is saying is that this is a community and that we all try to get along here the best we can. Everybody has different opinions, and that’s cool. It makes fun debate. But we try to express them without trying to make those who disagree feel stupid.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 16, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
and everyone else
uses punctuation. i couldn’t get through a single one of this guy’s posts, its just a blur of RAWR! ANGRY! I DONT NEED SENTENCES!
your right i dont have a girlfriend B.G.
i just happen to have 2 daughters through what? i guess immaculate conception. or maybe i got laid twice in life, thats it right?
i would go hard on you if not for 2 reasons: 1 I respect ed and his well run blog, and 2, according to sportsnation you don’t exist. Guess we hurt the poor babies feelings and he went bye bye to mommy.
dont root for my team jerk. you sound like a cowboy fan at heart anyway.
At first thought, you blew your load with #1
Then I kept reading and what a great list of reasons, I really dont need any other reason then just to see our team playing in the playoffs. Wayyy too many season’s where i suffered through no extra January games. All I want for Christmas is a rematch with the Eagles…. Good job Big Ed, I’m sure the rest of our crew will come around and say nevermind that higher draft pick, besides we save alot of money if we pick last and we always seem to do better picking in the higher numbers anwyays.
There is one reason they missed...
Let Eli play his big bro in the playoffs! It would be somthing to see if both the Colts and the Giants made it to the Super Bowl. Talk about sibling rivalry!!!
and possibly end another perfect season.
taht would be way to awesome.
"Yes we lost and yes we are upset. But like all Champs we will bounce back."
Osi umenyiora
by donnybaseball23 on Dec 16, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
Good list
I’d love to see the Giants in playoffs. I opened up the draft discussion early in fan post but really, with the NFL you can get impact players almost anywhere in the draft. We are not going to get that franchise changing guy because we won’t have a pick in the top 10, but Jerry Reese can spy talent. I’m not worried.
All we can hope for is the Giants get back into the playoffs and somehow before the wildcard game get hot. It’s tough to see now with our porous defense, but anything can happen.
You gotta be in it to win it.
I think #8..Is the biggest reason..
I’m looking over my ‘list’…and if they don’t get in, I’m in serious deep yogurt!!
That's what I'm talkin about Bobbi
Great list Ed, but #8 is my #1. If pride means anything, we’ve got a nice 3 week run on our hands. Get into the dance and let the chips fall where they may.
All great points
if they could get in a beat the Eagles that would make the season. I hate their fans sooo much just the worst. Some clown I work with who’s an Eagle fan told me yesterday the game on Sunday was not as close as the score indicated and Eli sats were padded becasue of bad tackling. Give me an effin break you can’t even talk football with these guys. I hate these guys they act like their Eagles are some kind of freaking dynstany when they play well. Just like Jet fans bunch of idots.
I have a horrible feeling the Jets get in too. I think Indy and Cincy are better but neither will be playing hard and the Jets will so they’ll get to 10-6. Jax Miami and Balt all have tougher games and will end up 9-7. I don’t see them winning in the first round or even being very competative but my god they will be obnoxious and I’m sure if they get in they will be talking Super Bowl next year and thats all we will hear about in the NY area in the offseason.
I really feel like as Giants fans we are paying for that fantasic run in 07. Between the Plax incedent and injuries and having to watch the Eagles win. Throw in the fact that all the NY media has covered football wise since the SB has been about the Jets, Favre, Ryan, Sanchez 3-0 start and now a probabble playoff appearance because they will playing two superior teams that will be shutting it down late in the year. I can’t take it.
I'm stuck doing my Honey Do List
I teach and my side job is closed that whole week off for winter break. I can’t make extra money so I have to work on the list.
I think she added something I have to installed at my in-laws house to the list yesterday as well :(
I do like reason number 1 though.
Damn Woogie
Your Honey Do list extends to the in-law’s house? Oh man, I feel for you. I’m going to say a prayer for you.
Yes Woogie...Don't you just love it when..
The Wife sneaks “In-law” tasks on the list?!?..Mine does it all the time…and I can’t scratch them off because she has already told them I’d do it…“Oh, don’t worry, Bobby will do that for you”..To the best of my recollection, I could of sworn I just married her…Wrong!..haha
you have me fired up now
I was thinking this game Monday is a big big trap, but hopefully our offense can do just enough to make up for the fact that our defense will give up 30 points again. I like #2 the best. I hate the Eagles with every fiber of my being and if we knocked them out, 2010 will be a great year instantly
Even if I knew
for a fact the Giants were gonna flame out in the playoffs, I would root for them to get in. Even if I knew they were having a horrible season and winning their last game would cost them one or two spots in the draft, I would root for them to win. I guess I just can’t wrap my head around hoping my favorite team would lose a game for spite or some hope of a draft pick. I even hope the Knicks win games at the end of every year.
I'd sooner see an ugly and early playoff exit
than no playoffs at all.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Reason #11:Making playoffs for 5th year in a row...
Could solidify the 2000’s as the most successful decade in Giants football history.
Good point
And, with that in mind, isn’t it amazing how much complaining you continue to hear about almost everything? We are spoiled. Every season just can’t be amazing.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 16, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
Ed
like many I’ve done my share of complaining. For me much of the complaining arises not because we were losing but more from how we were losing. Saints and first Eagles game, we didn’t even compete. Cards and Chargers were painful. Two games we should have won. Then there was that debacle in Denver. The team should have stayed home for Thanksgiving. I wanted to throw up my turkey dinner.
See
They are so annoying I couldn’t get the names right. Nice catch. I fixed it.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 16, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions
They should replace Kenny with Marv..
Then they could be…Loose, Moose, & Goose.
3 Games Left!
Let’s win them! Even though Big Blue shows no good reasons for being able to stop a playoff-calibre offense, a lot can happen in three weeks. If we can somehow find a way to prevent the big play, put pressure on the QB, and continue to stop the run, we’ve got a quality offense that can put up big points. We need to get hot. I am a believer!
Okay I am back on the wagon!
However I can only think one game at a time now. Yes I hope we make the playoffs and do some damage , but let’s talk about what we need to do to beat the Redskins.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 16, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I remember the Cardinals
getting SMACKED about 150-0 by the MATT CASSEL led NE Patriots…a team that didn’t even make the playoffs.
The Cardinals defense SUCKED at this point last year.
I don’t wanna hear this crap that just cuz the D sucks now…it mean they will forever suck.
No.
Many of the players here are the players that were on good defenses before. Sheridan…was here when the defense was good.
The people are here.
The only problem is THE PLAY was there. Boley’s INT…that was THE play. THE PLAY to get the D back on track.
…only pessimistic thing I’ll say….
Did the Giants not take away the season when it was there for the taking on that play??
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
One INT
One INT would have helped our D-Line penetrate a battered and brittled Eagles O-Line in under 5 seconds? Not a chance. I’m optimistic, but not at this point. I won’t throw the season away, but I’m not interested in getting beaten in the first round of the playoffs. We’ll be there but… it’s somewhat depressing to know the only reason we will is because the NFL is so bottom heavy this year.
The score was 24-17.
Tho..the scores on the defense..were only 10 points at the time (10 points in the fist half…that’s a good thing…)
The Boley play…at worst, was a change of possesion, and no points for the Giants.
24-17 at half at worst if Boley makes the play
The GIants could get a FG, they could get a TD.
What happened? The Eagles went down and scored a TD.
30-17.
So instead of 24-17, or 24-20, or 24-24……the score was 30-17.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
Cards not 1 but 2
they were SMACKED week 15 and week 16. They lost at home to Minny 35-14. Then the next week were whooped in NE 47-7. At the time I’m sure the Cards fans were looking at a bleak playoff picture.
No Chance
I never want to see another cheering Philly fan.
I never want to see the Dogkiller again.
I never want to see the hapless Giants defense again.
I never want to see Coughlin looking befuddled again,
I never want to see the Giants un-special teams again.
I never want to see Jeff Feagles again
I never want to see Laurence Tynes again.
I never want to see Bill Sheridan again.
I never want to see Tuck & Osi saying “We know what we have to do”, & then not doing it again.
See you next August.
Nothing Is Fool proof if you have the right fools.
by GiantsCauseway on Dec 16, 2009 10:47 AM EST reply actions
So I guess you won't be
watching the Giants or Eagles for the rest of the year? All the things that you never want to see again will be on display for the rest of this year, starting this weekend.
i think we should all remember this post...
…just incase somethings happens.
"Yes we lost and yes we are upset. But like all Champs we will bounce back."
Osi umenyiora
by donnybaseball23 on Dec 16, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent list Ed
and another for #13 is that some coaches and players might save their jobs.
Yea...
I don’t understhand the "confidence’ in the one and done thing either.
So..if the Giants were rolling and 12-4…that means our first playoff game was a better bet?
…Oh wait…..
No, get into the playoffs. The way this year’s gone…pretty much playing with house money aren’t we? Sheridan may get canned…but while some say who cares, I say he’s a first year DC playing with incompetent safeties and a whole lot of reserve talent at certain positions. He’d get another year with a short leash, I’d think.
Get into the playoffs. That is all. First round exit….well, so be it.
I for one ain’t counting on a first round exit. THat’s bullcrap and a piss-poor Jet fan attitude if you think that.
Jet fan-“at least we got there”.
Giants fan-“we’re here….WHY NOT WIN?”
WHICH ONE ARE YOU?
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
Carl Banks says
That a good defensive coordinator creates schemes that are easily understood and executed by the players on his team. Well, it’s obvious that our players don’t understand what BS wants because there are constantly blown assignments and confusion. If he was a competent coordinator he would simply things so that they can understand. Michael Johnson and Aaron Ross didn’t all the sudden become terrible players. They just aren’t understanding what is being asked of them. I have heard that “miscommunication” was the reason for mistakes one too many times this year to think that anything is going to change under BS. I do not understand why you would want this to continue again next year?
Carl Banks had Bill Belichek.
what would he know about anything other than one of the best DC’s in the history of the game?
Michael Johnson isn’t a terrible player?
Yo man…when you bite up to quadruple cover ALEX SMITH….and leave your section of the field wide open….you’re a terrible player.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
And
When you keep putting the terrible player out there week after week, what does that say about the coaches….
by Late for Dinner on Dec 16, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
it says they don't want the worst player...
i.e. CC Brown…out there.
Giants are stuck between a shit and a fart at the safety position…
Its not like 2008 where we had a rookie named Kenny Phillips to look forward too.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
Think anybody in Green Bay is missing Rouse?
Don’t fall in to that trap, This is not a once in a while mistake, this kind of mistake is happening over and over again; I have to question the scheme and what is being taught. If Johnson can’t pick up the scheme why is he here, cut him! What does he do that someone on the waiver wire or somebody’s practice squad can’t?
Johnson is clearly regressing under Sheridan because if he was not at least basically competent, no way does JR only carry 3 safety’s on the roster and not draft anyone to compete for the position.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 16, 2009 12:45 PM EST up reply actions
agree.
There is no one missing Rouse in GB…hell, Bernard Pollard is damn near a DPOY candidate in Houston…and he was right there for the taking.
I gotta go and blame the one and only Jerry Reese for the safety problem.
I heard it from his out mouth that he felt the safety position ’wasn’t as important’ as others on the team.
…well Jerry….it seems like its THE MOST important part.
I would not argue with anyone who says the Giants should get rid of every safety no named Kenny Phillips…and sign 4! of them.
We don’t know what KP will be when he comes back either.
For real, this team needs to evaluate the safety position. But the only one that should stay is Phillips…
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
Safety's and Linebackers
Don’t get me started on JR, he really screwed up this season, We went into this season carrying 9 linebackers ! and we should probably only keep 4 next season aghhhh…
I am turning over a new leaf for these last 3 games so I will have faith that Bill and the players will get this ship righted and we will make it to the playoffs.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 16, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
Get him started FB, lol
Oh, BTW LfD. Not get you started, but on the other side of that leaf, we still have the same LB’s and S’s. That once summer-like leaf has turned into a fall-like crispy brown one! lol
Well we did get Boley didn't we?
And for some reason, I think Goff has as future as the Giants MLB, this being his 2nd game and all.
The main problem..keeping guys like Wilkenson and Sinorice Moss on the roster, instead of making the safety position deeper.
Or maybe..if Wilkenson would stay healty, maybe he helps?
Bryan Kehl is soft tho..very soft.
I can’t believe I saw him help up McNabb twice on Sunday, not to mention get bowled over on that Celek TD.
Certainly not a nasty LB.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Wilkenson & Kehl Stink!!!
I pray neither of these two guys are back, I thought kehl might have some potential but your right I saw him apologzing to McNabb after he bumped into him.
Lucky for us Wilkenson got his annual injury and decided to collect his pay check on IR.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 16, 2009 3:34 PM EST up reply actions
Hootman throwing gas on the fire LOL!
by Late for Dinner on Dec 16, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
No big deal
I’ve been known to throw cold water on a coaches speech and now gas onto crispy leaves? So by the laws of averages, this should equate out to my actual feelings, luke warm?! lol
I’m not giving up, but i know what i know and i have only seen a subtle spark, that may suggest this team can actually become a bonfire!
Leaves are leaves and they burn quick, so until they can add something that may burn longer (like bringing the wood), i’ll feel more optimistic! Until then, it’s more like a two-alarm grass fire with standby! lol
Well ...
what choice do they have? Johnson has been a starter for 2 years now, and been around for three. He has been, and should be, better than he is playing now.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 16, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
Under BS
Johnson has definitely taken a step backwards. Some of it might be due to the injuries in the secondary.
Ross is not a terrible player.
He’s switching positions…
and that DJAX deep bomb was not his fault, he almost made an incredible play. His assignment was the other side of the field……
The vacancy was like I said above…Johnson biting up to quadruple cover ALEX SMITH.
Johnson is a fool.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Johnson was fine under Spags
Isn’t it funny that nobody was screaming how bad a 1st and 2nd year Michael Johnson was under Spags, but that a more veteran Michael Johnson has ironically gotten worse under BS. Very ironic.
Johnson
has never been a great ‘cover’ guy. He was decent, but not great.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 16, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed Johnson's strong point was not coverage but
Johnson was reliable last season, enough so that JR only went with 3 at that position and did not draft or sign anybody to compete with Johnson for that postion. When a player regress’s as bad as Johnson did I think it’s a combination of both coaching, movtivation and the player.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 16, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I know Ross isn't terrible
That is my point. You said that BS has to work with incompetent safeties. Johnson is at least serviceable and Aaron Ross should be just fine switching positions as long as someone is there to coach him.
Ross IS just fine.
He’s been playing fine too.
Johnson..I don’t know what his problem is…but why is he biting on certain plays?
You say BS…
I say bullsht, Johnson needs to stop biting and trying to make a play. Stay where you’re at and make the tackle.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Johnson needs to stop biting and trying to make a play. Stay where you’re at and make the tackle.
It wouldn’t hurt if he stepped up and made a big play…
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 16, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
I hear ya
Seemingly, these guys are reacting before they’re reading! Stay home a bit longer so at least you have a chance to read what is happening.
Johnson has never been good
He didn’t get burned like this year in 2007 / 2008 but I think we can easily find an upgrade to him in the draft
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 16, 2009 2:08 PM EST up reply actions
It's a pity we drafted Stoney and DeAndre...
…and didn’t take a chance on a safety instead.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 16, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions
exactly...
even worse..the Bomar pick.
Yes, he could be our backup next year…but there could be a David Carr out there.
5th round would’ve been nice to take a chance on a safety.
I get the feeling Reese already is scouting safeties around the league and in college.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
He might even take one in the first round
If the draft goes down a certain way
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 16, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
And "miscommunication'?
You mean like there can be with new players who haven’t played many games like Boley, Goff, Sintim, Rouse, Brown, Bruce Johnson, even Canty?
Boley is the man with the green dot right now…he’s AP.
That’s what we’re rolling with. A guy who’s played 1/2 a season and no preseason or training camp, as our defensive ‘leader’. And I’d rather have Blackburn on the bench, so there’s no backup option…
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
There is turnover every year
Don’t try to play the new players card. Aaron Ross and Michael Johnson were ROOKIES on Spags Super Bowl winning defense. Jay Alford was a rookie. Kawika Mitchell was in his first year with the Giants. These players just understood what was being asked of them and executed their assignments because they grasped the concepts explained to them by Spags.
Kawika Mitchell played in every game.
Aaron Ross played in every game.
Johnson was mixed in there with Wilson and Butler, he wasn’t playing every down like Rouse is or CC Brown was.
Jay Alford…mixed in there. Justin Tuck…mixed in there.
The guys that are new now…didn’t have camp. Didn’t have pre-season.
These guys are starting. These rookies are STARTING, not mixed in there.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Practice?
Aaron Ross was STARTING as a rookie after just a few games.
Kawika Mitchell looked fine from day 1.
Johnson played a lot his rookie year. At least as much as Sintim is now.
Goff is a second year guy that was in training camp and should be ready. We are in week 15.
Things should be clicking by now for everyone, whether they missed training camp or not.
Mitchell was a former MLB, near pro-bowl
a tackling machine..certain;y more than Danny Clark was. Boley for all his athleticism…maybe there was a reason why ATL benched him?
Ross was starting….but he was helped by veterans like Madison and McQuarters.
Johnson looked fine his rookie year…but like I said, mixed in there with guys like Wilson and Butler, guys who had a clue.
Things SHOULD be clicking…but there’s more than enough reasons why they DID in 2007 vs. DIDN’T in 2009.
We signed FA with ‘potential’ like Boley, Canty and Brown. A guy like Bernard had a track record for rushing the passer, that hadn’t been seen for a few years either.
The FA we signed in 2009 ALL haven’t done what they are supposed to do..for whatever reason.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
Never understood why we didn't resign Mitchell
Danny Clark has roller skates out there, the opposing offensive lineman move him out of the way on a consistant basis. Speak of FA
by Late for Dinner on Dec 16, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Because he wanted a 4 year extecnsion and
JR did not give it to him. He would have stayed in NY for less than Buffalo gave if he had gotten more years but JR would not budge. Thats one thing that is bitning us in the ass right now. Boley in not nearly as good and is costing more. I think JR gave him 4 years becasue a.) that was probably the only way to get him and b.) he did not want to make the same mistake that he did with Mitchell. JR has scrwed the pooch with how he’s handled the LB position in his tenure here.
I'm not sure of the wisdom of having Boley as the man with the green dot right now...
…I will say that it is the right move for the future, but when AP went out, Boley had but 4-5 games as a Giant under his belt under a new DC. I’m nor sure which other 3-down player in the heart of the defense is worth of that dot, though…
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 16, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
If a LB has to have the dot
Boley would probably be the most likely to have it. Goff is inexperienced by playing time etc… Clark is marginally only a 2 down LB and Boley is actually a 3 down LB, so it would make sense giving it to him. I wouldn’t want the dot going out on a substitution which is my point.
agreed.
and also, Blackburn is not athletic enough to be on the field as much as Boley.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions
on Dime and Nickle Packages...
You want the green dot on the linebacker who plays in dime and nickle packages.
Boley is quick enough to be that linebacker that doesnt come off the field.
AP used to be the guy that never came off the field, like FB said Goff or Blackburn do not have the speed or athleticism to be that guy.
and danny clark.. well Clint Sintim has almost taken his job from him.
...
well, I didn’t say that about Goff.
I think Goff has the smarts (Collinsworth spewed that Goff IS a mechanical engineer, graduated from Vanderbilt) and also has the speed (ran around a 4.6 40…)
He’s just inexperienced. He will be the MLB of the future.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
we may be answering our own question? re: the confusion on defense...
No one doubts Boley’s athleticism, but when AP went down we lost “the quarterback of our defense,” and it is evident that right now we don’t have a fully qualified replacement to assume the responsibilities that come with that green dot. It’s no wonder guys look really confused before the snap…
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 16, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
FB...
that’s fine, and I like your enthusiasm.
but by me thinking the giants will make the playoffs and loss in the first round doesn’t not make me any less of a giants fans than you or the next guy.
We’re all entitled our own thoughts and opinions. I’ll be a giants fans to the day i die….doesn’t mean I can’t brace myself for what’s to come.
does thinking that CC Brown is not worth of coming back give me a “jet fan attitude”….or does it make me not a loyal fan? Am i supposed to blindly accept the fact that Sinorice Moss was brought back for another year for no reason what so ever? Or sit here and support Sheridan when IMO he’s clearly in over his head?
Everyone’s entitled to their own opinion….but it does not make someone more or less of a FAN. Heck Ralph Vacchiano predicted the Cowboys would beat the giants in week 2….and the guy is a huge giants fan…should we now run him outta town for stating his honest opinion?
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
It not that you're predicting a loss.
Hell, the way the Giants are playing…why would you be 100% confident in them winning.
Its the idea that, the opinion is they have no chance whatsoever.
The “No Chance, at least we got there” attitude, is Jet-fan-ish.
If you wanna go head and predict a loss, go head.
Its when people count on it. When its expected.
Sure, I’d be surprised if they make it past the 1st round…I’d be pretty surprised if they make the playoffs.
Its just…like I said.
Jet-fan…“happy to be there”…but “what’s the point”…might as well get a ‘better draft pick’.
Giants fan…“why not win”? Fk the draft…..
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions
what's the difference....
surprised to see them win…. or expect them to lose?
I did not expect the giants to beat philly….did i think it was possible? sure. I Watched every second of that game, i DVR’d it, I was wearing my throwback LT jersey, and was on the edge of my seat from beginning to end.
But at the end of the day, i can admit that i thought PHilly would win.
And I can admit now that I think the giants will finish at 9-7…make the playoffs and lose in the first round.
Yeah, I could ignore my guy instincts and just say “hey, we’re still alive we’re going to go on a run and shock the world again”….but in my heart that’s not how I feel. So i gotta call it like it is. And I do’nt think that makes me any less a fan.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I dunno
If i think they have no chance and are going to lose why bother watching?? Shoot Oakland beat Pittsburgh, thats whats great about the NFL anyone can win and i always think the Giants will win, thats why i dont play those dumb football pools each week but i’m still confident we can pull it out, thats why i sat and watched even thinking they would fumble the knee down at the end of game.. lets go OVERTIME lol but of course everyone is entitled to there opinion, but the lack of confidence is sad and depressing, dont be depressed and dont jump its not worth your life!!!
why bother watching?
why does it have to be so black and white??? Why does if have to be “get on board” or “get off”.
If i’m not allowed to voice a negative opinion about the team i’ve watched and rooted for the past 28 years than why even bother being a fan?
I’ve been around far too long to let a football game get me so depressed that i refuse to watch. That will never happen my friend b/c I’ve gone through too much in life to let a game effect me that much.
With that being said…how is it sad and depressing that I think the giants will make the playoffs and lose in the first round? I’ll let you in on a secret…I’m not Reese or Coughlin, so as far as you should be concerned my opinion don’t mean jack.
You can sit there and pray for fumbles on a kneel down at the end of the game…. and I will never knock you for that….or accuse you of not being a “fan”.
But to say “don’t get sad, drepressed, and jump outta a window and kill myself” because I don’t see this team winning a playoff game?! C’mon man….
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I agree with andiamo
I haven’t had confidence in the Giants winning any of their games since we got blown out in Philly. I watched this past week’s game expecting them to lose, hoping for them to win. Even in defeat I hope to see bright spots on this team.
I don’t think St. Louis Rams fans watch games every week thinking their team is going to win. That would be idiotic. But they still watch because people like to analyze the coaches and players and look glimmers of hope for the future.
Clearly..
You misread my sarcasim, thought the fumble on a kneel down would give it away, like i said above you are entitled to your opinion, just in my mind thinking we are going to lose before the game is played or in this case 3 games ahead of being played its depressing, I get it its only football and it dont compare to real life but i watch it to forget about real life.. 2007 was a thing of dreams that came true, i’d much rather wish then win then think they are going to lose.. Thats my opinion and like you i’m entitled to my opinion….
So C’mon man let me and any other Positive/Wishful thinking Giants fan have our opinions too.. Really i was kind of tounge and cheek on your side in my post… We all root for the same guys regardless of what we think is going to happen.. Shoot maybe you thinking we are going to lose is our good luck charm keep up the good work…
and remember.. Don’t Change
well...
i have no comment in regards to your opinion. that’s fine
But the “sad, depressed, don’t jump” comment wasn’t cool.
and regardless of superstitions….my opinion doesn’t mean jack, the giants will not play any better or worse because of my mind set.
I know you probably think i’m one of those fans that’s totally down and out right now w/ no hope what so ever. But as i mentioned. I see the giants winning 2 out of 3 and advancing.
I think you comment would have been better used on Giantscauseway (who posted above me).
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
also ... where do you draw the line....
the giants can still win the division….it’s slim but it’s possible.
I guess that if i don’t believe that w/out question the giants win the east than i’m sad and depressed.
but what if i see the giants going 9-7 and making a Wild Card…I guess i’m still sad and depressed.
I wouldn’t want to know what I am if i see the giants going 8-8….
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
nah man..
my only argument is with people who don’t care whether the Giants get in the playoffs or not…the season’s over in week 17 or 18, doesn’t matter.
The only thing week 18 does is prolong the inevitable.
The whole ’foregone conclusion" thing, is what it is.
With what’s gone on around the playoffs the past few years…the Giants winning in 2007, the GIants goind 12-4 and getting knocked out…the Cardinals being WORSE than the Giants right now, and making the Bowl…
its just, this foregone conclusion thing should be a thought with the Jet fans.
There’s a chance…as slim as any other year…but there’s a chance.
If playing well in November and December was all it took….the Chargers and their 16-0 December record under Rivers, and the Cowboys with whatever the hell their records are till the end of November….would be battling it out for the SB every year.
Playing a certain way NOW…doesn’t mean it HAS TO be that way later.
In fact..what many teams have shown…its that it is NOT the case, come playoff time.
Get in…..take it from there.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
I hear what your saying...
and i agree….earlier i posted that i’d rather see a playoff loss than no playoffs at all. and I stand by that.
I also think the Giants will make the playoffs….and than lose.
So I’m not being overly optimistic or negative. Just rational.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Wasn't cool
Well sorry you can’t take a joke, are you really trying to jump??
Ontop of not having any hope for your own team you have no sense of humor… anyways last comment from me on this you obviously are not catching on
sorry Ed.
but gobs… you are clearly just starting shit just for the sake of argument.
I took exception to the comparison that because I see a playoff loss that I have a “jets fan” mentality.
FB and I already addressed that.
I also took exception to your comment about wanting to “jump”
instead of having an intelligent back and forth with me and hearing me out….you run and hide behind “sarcasm” and “making a joke”. I’m catching on very well Gobs…I see exactly what your doing, and yeah, that works in high school. But I’m a grown ass man who’s entitled to his own opinions. But like you said, i guess seeing the giants going 9-7 means " i don’t have any hope for my team".
but I suppose that was a joke too right?
grow up before you feel compelled to reply to my comments w/ garbage.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
OK, fellas
Hopefully everybody has that out of their systems now. Somebody go use some of that energy to find Bill Sheridan a speech he can use to fire up the defense for Monday night!
by Ed Valentine on Dec 16, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
How about The Replacements speach
All right, Giants Listen up. There are some who will say that your lack of accomplishments last Sunday will soon be forgotten, that you’re not real players, that this isn’t a real team. And I say that’s bullshit. Because as of today, you’re all professional football players (as he looks at CC Brown). You’re being paid to play (he glances at Rockey Benard), and I want to you to remember that, because the men whose places you’ve taken were let go for some reason, never mind . Let’s bring it in. Let’s play some football.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 16, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
Right on, andiamo
The more grown up you are, the less sweet the victories; the less bitter the defeats. That’s just the way it is (or should be.)
Now George...You know that's not true..but I'll stand behind you for making our...
Younger fans think age takes away the “Thrill of Victory..and the Agony of Defeat”…lol
The older I get the more miserable I get
I used to shake off losses easlily when I was a kid in the 80’s watching these guys now if they loose I don’t even want to watch any other games, I get all down an depressed it’s absurd, I have no idea why I guess thats what being married and having a boring job does to you. Also when I was younger if the Giants lost I would be upset but thats it I could care less what the other teams did even the big rivals like Wash, Dallas and even Philly. Now I almost get more joy out of watching Philly, Dallas, and even the Jets loose than the Giants winning, it’s sick I tell you I need help!
Sinorcie Moss
The resigning of Sinorice Moss was a very good one. He has coached many of the younger guys and has really been the veteran of this WR core.
Not to mention it was worth the risk. If he didnt get hurt during pre-season i am sure he would have beat out Manningham for playing time.
I can see it from that angle....
tho…has his ‘teaching’ really helped them more than not being able to carry a more talented safety on the roster?
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
are you being for real or is this a joke?
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I Swear
Sinorice has helped Steve Smith and Ham a lot. Steve Smith has said that he owes a lot of his early success to Sinorice.
I agree.
while Moss obviously hasn’t done squat…he has been around for a while so he’s had to absorb something in his brain.
Just cuz you can’t do it on the field for whatever reason…doesn’t mean you can’t help someone else.
Hell…wasn’t that Dominik Hixon talking to Hakeem Nicks after that wide open deep bomb drop? I was thinking ‘of all people’ too…but these are the vets on the team.
Moss is the only ‘veteran’ WR there.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
the pecular thing is that whenever Moss is thrown to...
…however seldom that may be, he has displayed a tendency to catch whatever is thrown to him. Didn’t he have a perfect thrown to-versus-completion ratio last year? I’ll concede that he hasn’t done jack as far as returning punts and kickoffs, but every time he is thrown to, he snares the ball…and that can’t be said for any other wideout, perhaps with the exception of Smith.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 16, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Oh...
its sure as a witch-tit can be said about Steve Smith!!!!!
Are you FKing serious?
Steve Smith might be contender #1 on the CATCH THE GOD DAMN BALL show.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
I hadn't heard that. SM just seems lost out there most of the time.
Outside of a good catch made this year, I can think of no outstanding plays he has made in all his years with the team. Good to hear he has been of soem use.
Can't say it's not so,
but the idea of Sinorice the grizzled old vet taking the rooks under his wing strikes me as comical. Then again, they’ve been keeping him around for years for years, so…Then again, as FB says, couldn’t that roster spot have been better filled, particularly by an S.?
You know that 'honey-do' list that just keeps growing? Don't you want an excuse to put that off for just a few more weekends?
F*ck the other 9. This is enough reason……….. along with #1 of course.
I've seen better Giants teams exit earlier in the playoffs
So why I would not want to spoil someones else party (especially the iggles). Also I was looking at calendars yesterday and if I’m wrong please correct me.
If we beat the redskinss and carolina and somehow the cowgirls loose at new orleans and the redskins (which is very possible), that’s it for them, we would not even need the last game, at worst we will be 9-7 and at worst the ‘girls will 9-7 as well, with us owning the tiebreaker, we will be second in the NFC east as Ed said, and that will be enough to sneak to the party.
If we win the next two games and dallas looses the next two, then the last week we will be 9-6 and cowboys 8-7. the vikings game will be meaningless again.
let’s says the packers grab the other spot, and nobody in the west or south will claim the other one.
Playing Philly Again...
Isn’t it unlikely for us to play Philly in the playoffs this year? If Philly wins the division and we happen to get the wild card, we would play Arizona in the 1st round and Philly would play Green Bay. Is everyone just assuming we would beat Arizona?
Well assuming the Giants DO get the 6th seed
you can put Philly at the 3 or 4, depending on ARZ.
I don’t think there is a ‘you can’t play withing the division" thing in round one is there? So I say Philly gets the #3.
3 vs. 6
4 vs. 5
Eagles vs Giants
Cards vs Pack.
If ARZ manages to get the 3rd seed..then the Giants would only get Philly if both make it to the Champ round (OH!!!…how great that would be….)
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I guess that's my question...
I think there is a “you can’t play within the division in the wild card round” rule. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
That is incorrect
You can most absolutely play the guy in your divison, its worst vs first in all rounds of playoffs, dont matter who you are 3 vs 6 and 4 vs 5, we just have to match up with philly in the seeds and yes we have before, the year before we won the super bowl heres the link
Boom.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Well*
They would have to get the 3rd seed and also there is a rule change in effect i believe last year was the first year of it that just winning the division doesn’t get you the 4th seed, if the Giants and Packers both finish with better record then Division winner Arizone then the Cards get the 6th seed and the GMEN face the PACK, also Cards could end up #3 and us #6 and we face the Cards, Philly vs GB… It can get confusing hope what i wrote wasn’t… Most likely we face Philly round one…
Is that a rule change since last year?
Because last year Arizona got the 4 seed with the worst record of teams that made the playoffs. Therefore, they got a home game against Philly in the NFC Championship Game even though their record wasn’t as good during the regular season.
Ummm...
I was misinformed, here is the link to the rule change, trying to google it more…
http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/23282814/
It was up for vote before the begining of last year…
Ok
That was proposed and looks like it was shot down 2yrs in a row, haven’t seen anything else so it must still be the same, but it could be changed who knows they try to change so much i just read a crazy realignment proposal.. check this out…
http://web.mit.edu/mking/www/NFLrealign.html
No more Cowgirls.. :(
that ain't gonna happen.....
they would’ve done away with how the 2 East divisions were long ago.
They got rid of the Cardinals a while back cuz that’s just TOO far for the East teams to travel…plus the Cardinals stunk and no one cared…
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
If geography's the problem,
why is Dallas in the East? The one that has always gotten to me the most was putting the Steelers in the AFL. It would have been great seeing Big Blue in the same Division with them. Then there was the Browns, a great rivlary after the NFL and AAFL merger. Can’t complain about that one too much.
True..
I don’t go back that far….but I see what your saying.
but Dallas is in the AL East simply cuz of the rivalry they have with the teams of the East.
Also…putting them in the East..forces the East to cover them more.
WHen the Oilers were good, didn’t see them being paid attention to by the NY media right?
Same area pretty much, its cuz Dallas needs to be kept bunched with the ‘media capital’ cuz they are ’America’s team.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Well it tells you is how much influence the D owners had from
the get-go, long before Mr. Jones came along. Sure, any owner with common sense would like the idea of playing the Giants twice a year. D wasn’t America’s team back then. It never made sense except from the persective you offer. The question then becomes how does this help the NFL? It might now, but didn’t then. It helped the ‘boys, period. Go figure. Let’s face it, the ‘boys were terrible when they came into the league. They weren’t setting up a dream rivalry then. It worked out pretty well, but I’d rather be playing Pittsburgh twice a year for old times sake in for nothing else.
Did we have an intense rivalry with the Steelers?
My limited knowledge of then was that the steelers sucked for the most part until rooney realized he couldn’t coach/manage a team and hired a professional, and then they became monsters.
I could be very wrong, but Dallas and Washington had an intense rivalry, I think when they wanted to add a franchise to dallas, Washington owners were opposed until someone stole their mascot.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
I don't go back that far either
But Didn’t the Cheifs play in Dallas, and the Cowboys were created by the NFL to compete with them.
Probably should ask some guys over at Boy’s blogging
by Late for Dinner on Dec 16, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
Did we have an intense rivalry with Steelers?
Yes, in the sense that, like now, we have intense rivalries with teams in our division. By and large, they had lousy teams, although we had tough games with them, particularly when Bobby Layne joined them. I’ve told this story before, but the ranks of BBVers has expanded so that most would not have read it. Bobby was a carouser. The night before a game with the Giants that would decide the div. champion (or get the right to a playoff with the Browns for the title), Bobby’s team mates would not let him out of his room. He played the next day w/o his usual hangover/high state and had what he called the worst game of his career. The NFL brought D in as a rival to the Texans in ‘60. The first year D was in the Wst Conf and played every team in the league. They didn’t win a game. They tied, guess who?—the Giants. The next year they went to the East Div. Their rivalry with the ’skins has always been intense as it has been with the other teams in the Div. Things were much hotter when the ’skins were the best team in the division. I never heard the mascot story or forgot it if i did.
Nvm
I can’t find where I read that.
What the dallas owners did do is buy the rights to Washington’s fight song. Imagine Mara owning the rights to Fly Eagles Fly, preventing eagle fans from ever singing it?
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
The Merger
Three NFL teams (the Baltimore Colts, Cleveland Browns, and Pittsburgh Steelers), joined the 10 AFL teams
Cincinnati Bengals, Miami Dolphins, Boston Patriots, Buffalo Bills, Denver Broncos, Houston Oilers, Kansas City Chiefs, New York Jets, Oakland Raiders, and San Diego Chargers to form the American Football Conference (AFC).
The other thirteen NFL teams (Atlanta Falcons, Chicago Bears, Dallas Cowboys, Detroit Lions, Green Bay Packers, Los Angeles Rams, Minnesota Vikings, New Orleans Saints, New York Giants, Philadelphia Eagles, St. Louis Cardinals, San Francisco 49ers and Washington Redskins) became part of the National Football Conference (NFC).
Dallas is in the East because
back in the 60’s when the NFL was looking to restructure the old Cowboys owner Tex Shram pleaded with then commisioner Pete Rozell to move the Cowboys into the NFC East so they could play in the big TV markets, NY, WASH, and Philly to get more exposure and Rozell allowed it. They have been manipulative babies since then.
The Steelers did not want to go to the AFC, Art Rooney was dead set against it but Wellington Mara, believe or not, talked him into it becasue he convinced him it would be good for the competative balance of the league. The Browns and Colts I’m not sure why they agreed but it was Mr. Mara who conviced his good friend Art Rooney to go.
That's a shame
They should have gotten those cowboys to go the afc
Than the cleveland, baltimore, and cincinatti can be annoyed with those losers (although that’d make even less geographic sense
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Nice work, L
Yeah, Mara and Rooney would have cooperated like that. The Browns had a great rivalry with the Giants, so not having them in the NFC East is a puzzler as well (they weren’t an old line NFL team). If you did it srictly geographically. the Pats, Jets, Giants and Miami would be in the same division. Pitt, Wash, Cleve, Cinc., etc.
In some cases
the owners couldn’t agree about divisional alignment. They solved the disagreement by putting names in a hat and blindly choosing.
That's certainly explains a lot of the absurdities.
They had to have some guidleined even for that. After all, the 49ers aren’t in the same Div as the Giants.
IT's amazing to me
when I learn about NFL history how well Wellington Mara saw the future of the game and realized how important competative balance would be even if it meant sacrafcing his own teams success. He truley was a pioneer of the league and was a big part of why it became so popular post merger. It also amazes me that who ever owns the Cowboys is a selfish pompus ass who cares more about his own teams success no matter what the consequences.
So true
why would they end the revenue sharing?
Will a few million more really make the cowboys a better team? Would it even affect him?
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
I would love to have the Browns
in the divsion now. I miss the days of the two guaranteed wins vs the Cardinals. It be nice to have that now with the Browns.
Blue is that why the Giants and Browns played in the preseason every singel year until recently?
Yeah but you could count on two easy wins!!
by Late for Dinner on Dec 16, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions
I still miss the times when the St. Louis Cardinals were in the NFC Beast....
…there’s your two easy wins right there!
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 16, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
The only time the Cards were really good, they
were still in Chicago. In St. Louis, they were sometimes competetive when Jim Ray Hart was the QB. Right now, they’re better than they’ve been in decades.
When Hart
was QB they regularly beat the Giants. In the 60s and 70s most teams regularly beat the Giants.
Non-believers
…are harder to witness than the Giants losing. These are the same people that call for Eli to be fired everytime he throws an interception. We have the talent to come alive this year and take it to the super bowl. Sorry some of you are so down in the dumps. Have a hot chocolate. We have a great team that’s been laying eggs for much of the year. But now is when it counts. We weren’t looking so good for much of 07 and won a super bowl. And isn’t it more fun to root for an underdog anyway? Playing- and beating – Philly in the playoffs this year would bring about unmitigated joy, just as playing and beating the pats did. Why wouldn’t you wish for that, unless you’re afraid to lose?
Do we really
get anymore bench Eli comments? Yeah he makes some poor decision. What QB doesn’t? There’s only 2 or 3 QBs I’d rather have.
BENCH ELI!!!!!!
WE WILL WIN WITH DAVID CARR!!!!
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
+22
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Well his number is 22
(or was)
And what about him is 72 lbs? His left arm?
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
nah...
just saying he weighs more than 72lbs the average qb. don’t ask where I got the number, it just came to me.
keep dreamin big my butt blue.. !!
you got lucky in 07 with the helmet catch…. now you really are gonna sit here and think you may catch more breaks and back your way into the playoffs..? thats once in a lifetime sht right there… dallas outplayed yo azzes all season long and the eagles crushed ya and will crush ya again… so… haaa.. did i get you worked up? this top 10 is sick.. !! and theres nothing that will be better than seeing the gmen get a wild card spot after winning the tie breaker vs dallas… !! god that will be so fantastic… i tried to start my msg by firing up my fellow blue fans b/c its something like this that annoys me so much about reading such immature, silly azz comments from dallas fans when they shouldnt be on this blog in the first place.. !! i remember a few weeks ago reading commments from cowboy fans on NOV 30th about how dallas is gnna run away with it etc… i love it when dallas fans are that oblivious about their Dec. meltdowns… but its funny how quickly they all shut the heck up… such volatile fans :)
I love this top 10… well thought up ED.. !! sick
Steelers
caught a few breaks winning their last 2 SBs. SB XL was a joke. They needed 2 huge plays at the end of each half to win SB XLIII.
Sometimes stepping up and making big plays is all that matters...
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 16, 2009 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
+100000000000
in out SB we had 2 big plays in the same play
Good post Ed
I can’t believe that any true Giants fan would not want to see them make the playoffs. Those people posting that stuff should be ashamed . If our Giants are anything it is inconsistent, and that means that on any given week we could turn our season around start playing up to our potential. The fact that we could keep Dallas out of the playoffs or have a chance to get some revenge against Philly are just added bonuses. Not to mention I would love to see at least one extra Giants game even if they do lose. You have to believe in your team and it’s never to late to rally so lets go GIANTS!! Playoffs here we come!!
The BIG prize
There is only one reason for wanting to be in the playoffs … you can’t win the SB if you are not there.
He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.
Playoffs!!!!
all the giants need to do is tie the cowboys cause we hold the tie breaker.
in 07 dallas beat us twice in the regualar season like philly.
we thought they ended farves career, and it would be nice if they did this year.
and i was just thinking about how the colts are undefeted. just saying.
and whoever goes into the playoffs hot can go far, i think the giants can clinch a spot vs minninsota and their backups like they did to us last year.
"Yes we lost and yes we are upset. But like all Champs we will bounce back."
Osi umenyiora
by donnybaseball23 on Dec 16, 2009 3:23 PM EST reply actions
Hmmm.....
are you saying…“Undefeated Giant” killer…the NY Giants?
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe...
"Yes we lost and yes we are upset. But like all Champs we will bounce back."
Osi umenyiora
by donnybaseball23 on Dec 16, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
Sounds like our 'Blue Crew' natives are getting a tad restless and it is only Wednesday..
By Monday, if this keeps up all our posts wil look like this: "!#$%^&*((*&^%$#!#$%^&*())(*&^%$#!!#$%^&*((*&^%$#!!#$%^&*()(*&^%$#!!#$%^&*()(*&^%$#!#$%^&*())(*&^%$#!!!!!!!!!!!!!!…Geezus I can actually translate that!!!…lol
Hmmm..That didn't come out right...
By Monday if this keeps up alll of our comments will look like this:
“!@#$%!$^)(*&^%$#!)(&^%$!#$%^&())(&^%$#!#$%^&())(*&^%$#@
!#$%^&*()(^%$#!@#$%^&*(!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think its very simple
If we don’t make the playoffs, we have 0% chance of going to the superbowl. If we make the playoffs, we have a chance at advancing.
Does it mean we’ll make it? Absolutely not. The Cards making a nice run last year has no bearing on this year, just as 2007 has no bear on this year, just like games in 1932 have no affect on this game.
The 2009 Giants are making their own history, and the only prediction I will make is that this year will end unlike any other year.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
love the Yogi-ism's.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions
The great thing about yogi-isms
is that its just common sense
While I thought most of that was original, there’s probably been 3 other guys who have said the same thing I’ve said countless times.
As you have in your sig, “It ain’t over till its over”
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
The one that gets me every time
is “it’s gets late real early out there”.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely a great one.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Yogi_Berra
“Always go to other peoples’ funerals; otherwise they won’t go to yours. "
And this one is the best:
“I really didn’t say everything I said”
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Nice!
This is the quote of the day!!
If we don’t make the playoffs, we have 0% chance of going to the superbowl. If we make the playoffs, we have a chance at advancing.
Thanks
Its true though. I’d rather be blown out in the playoffs, than have an 11-5 season that doesn’t even get me there.
Of course, I’d much rather win a game or 4 in the playoffs, but you get what you can get.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Your cool Will..and I agree I'd rather be in the play-offs and see what happens..I just liked the way you opened your comment
Now that’s funny, I don’t care who you are..that’s funny…lol
Nope, not Yogi
just Will…check above my post! What the hell are you drinking Bobbi? It’s still early for goodness sake :)
Damn Ed
This was spot on. Plus anybody can get on a roll in the playoffs. Bad breaks do happen and we could be the team that gets it going late and carries a head of steam into the playoffs. It wasn’t too long ago that we finished 10-6 as a wildcard and won 3 straight road games to get to the Super Bowl. Plus I hate the effin cowboys. But another playoff loss would be hilirious. Still I’ll go ALL IN on the Giants making the playoffs.
And the scenario
That remains still is we could beat both undeafeted teams if they continue to win out.
+1
Some may have given up on the Giants this season, but they WILL make the playoffs.
by ChuckyofNorris on Dec 18, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
I would love to end Brett Favre's season in misery
I have Adrian Peterson in my Fantasy team and without Favre I would have a lot more points because the Vikings wouldn’t want to throw all the time. DOWN WITH BRETT!!!!!!!!!!!
Some may have given up on the Giants this season, but they WILL make the playoffs.
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