Opening the Big Blue View mailbag
by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2009 11:00 AM EST
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Let's do something right now that I don't think we have ever done in the nearly three-year (yes, it's amazingly been that long) history of Big Blue View. A Big Blue View mailbag.
In case you had not noticed, I have been tagging many recent posts with the Big Blue View e-mail address. So, if you have questions or comments you want to send directly to me rather than leave in a post on the site, you can do that. Here is some of what I have received recently.
Jason, whose screen name I could not find, sent in the following question.
Q: I'm just a huge fan and avid follower of Big Blue View. I really think there should be discussion about firing Sheridan, but who would we replace him with?? In your recent post you suggested the defensive backs coach or d-line coach, but I'd rather shoot myself in the foot than have the guys running our d-backs or d-line run our entire defense. Isn't there someone in the organization who was sort of an understudy for Spagnuolo? If not, I think bringing in someone new would be the best option. I really don't think anything good will come out of the coaches responsible for this year's dreadful defense. You obviously know more about this than me though, so what are your thoughts?
A: My thought is this. The whole problem with the 'understudy' angle is that Sheridan WAS the understudy. Spagnuolo always used to say Sheridan was the guy he ran blitz packages by and went to for suggestions. Defensive backs coach Peter Giunta was St. Louis defensive coordinator for three seasons, including 1999 when they won the Super Bowl. He's a logical internal replacement for Sheridan. Some might even say he should have been the choice in the first place.
My recent article on Peter King leaving Michael Strahan off his All-Decade Team also brought in some e-mails.
Here is one from Gio (no screen name).
Peter King has no credibility. I hope AP gets it right. Forget Strahan but London Fletcher over Zach Thomas?? 7 pro bowls 7 All Pros.. What's up with that.
Here is one from Eric (no screen name).
A travesty of justice! Strahan is one of the all time greats. Not just all decade for the 2000's. Super Bowl's: 2 (1W - 1L) - Got em. Stats: 141.5 sacks; 660+ tackles - Got em. Pro bowls, all pros - got em. Every metric you can think of, Strahan has got it all in the bag.
And, I don't want to hear that Aaron smith is unheralded and under-appreciated. Strahan was a no name 2nd round pick no one had ever heard of out of a no name program (Texas Southern). Came in to the NFL with as a high motor guy with a tremendous work ethic. Turned himself into a sure fire, first ballet hall of famer. Is Aaron Smith headed for the Hall? I think not. Peter King needs to have his head examined.
Brewer5 writes the following.
(Peter King) is a Giant hater. I think he enjoys pissing us off and I write him nearly every week to complain about his latest slight to the Giants. My theory is that Tom Coughlin has not kissed his butt at one time or another and he has decided to bust Giant fans chops every chance he gets. Strahan is just the latest.
(E-mail Ed at bigblueview@gmail.com)
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Sheridan vs. Wauffle vs. Guinta....
what’s the difference at this point?
the idea that Wauffle or Guinta shouldn’t get the job b/c their units are struggling does not hold water. If that was the case Sheridan had no right at all to get the promotion b/c LB’s have been an area of concern for the past 2 years.
At least Guinta held a DC job at one point in his career. And making the change would be a last ditch effort to get the secondary on the same page w/ one another.
I agree that the long term answer is not currently a Giant Employee, but this defense is ranked 28th in points allowed…yes, it can get worse. We could be dead last. Is that what we’re waiting for?
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Secondary
Interesting point about that is this. The Giants a cornerbacks coach (Giunta) and a safeties coach (David Merritt). I’m not sure how many teams have both. I wonder if the fact that these two groups meet separately and practice separately has anything to do with the miscommunications. I would like to know how common this separation of the two positions is.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
interesting point....
one would have to wonder if both units are even playing for the same team the way this year has gone.
I was thinking about it and really the issue here is that we can’t get the to QB.
our LB’s and Secondary was never elite units but our Dline made them better. Now our Dline is looking putrid and the rest of the team is feeling the after effects. I thought Sheridan had figured this out vs. SD but it seems like he’s gotten more conservative since than…which makes me think he’s in over his head. We have to get to the QB or die trying. We play this cover2 zone w/ guys who cant’ cover?!?! I’d sooner sell out on the blitz and get burned really bad than watch a team methodically march down the field on us repeatedly.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Teams with multiple secondary coaches?
Out of curiousity, i looked into it and this is what i came up with, via Wikipedia. I used personal discretion to determine if there were at least two coaches for the secondary that were not assistants. The labels are the exact of their job description.
Team: First coach – Second coach
Bal.: Defensive backs – Secondary
Was. : CB – S
Chi.: Defensive backs – Asst. DB/Safeties
G.B.: CB – S
Atl.: Asst. HC/secondary – Denfensive backs
Car.: Secondary – Secondary
Stl.: CB – S
S.F.: Secondary – Secondary
It seems to be, not so common, but again, why would you segregate the DB’s like this with two coaches? These guy’s need to be on the same page to work as a cohesive unit (from one person). Though not as extreme, it would be like having seperate OT, G and C coaches! Good luck trying to get this unit to gel when 3 different people may have different views, angles or opinions!
On a side note, SF has a pass rush specialist appointed job, didn’t know one existed?!
Yesterday I posted
not to hand the DC reins over to Guinta. I was unaware he was the Rams CD from 1998 – 2000. With the Rams he had mixed success. In 1999, the year the Rams won the SB. The D played very well. They allowed 15 PPG. The next year was a total disaster. They allowed almost double the points at 29.4.
Maybe a new DC, even for just 3 games can add some excitement and better play calling for the D. At this junction the team has nothing to lose.
Well
The Rams defense was decent in 1998 and 1999 but absolutely terrible in 2000. (worse than our defense this year)
But to be honest anyone would be better than Sheridan at this point, he clearly has no idea on what plays to call. If John Fox is not available as a DC for next year and there aren’t any proven guys out there that have ran a 4-3 successfully I’d rather give coach Giunta a chance to see what he can do with our guys instead of sticking with Sheridan or giving the job to some unknown dc that has never called plays before
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 15, 2009 11:56 AM EST reply actions
+1000
let’s give Giunta a test rehearsal. Let’s see what he can bring.
The only problem with that is
that he can’t possibly install his own system in the last 3 weeks. IMO, the major issue is that players are thinking too much in this system instead of a system where you just react. I don’t feel its the play calls that are really the issue (for the most part). So if this is truly the case, Giunta or any replacement would be doomed to fail.
System
It would not get overhauled at this point, of course. Just a different voice, different face. Maybe some different calls in certain situations.
Anyway, it isn’t going to happen.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2009 1:08 PM EST up reply actions
No way Frank..at least not long term..
That guy can’t even put a Secondary out there..Coughlin should just take it over..Then clean house after the season.
Another point
because the Dbacks have struggled that doesn’t necessarily mean Giunta would fail as the DC. There’s a few reasons the Dbacks have failed. Mostly due to the D-line getting little to no pressure. Our blitz packages suck. It’s remotely possible he could bring different wrinkles to the defensive schemes.
Or maybe I’m naive.
Defensive Coordinator
When Sheridan was first named defensive coordinator, I read some interviews about his plans to go with a four-man rush, rather than blitz packages. I had some qualms then, but suppressed them, because Mara, Tisch, Coughlin and Reese deserved any benefit of the doubt.
However, the performance of the defense this year has shown that, unfortunately, Sheridan was not the correct choice.
My initial qualms were based on his abandonment of the idea of constant pressure and blitzing. He thought that he would be able to get enough pressure from a four-man rush, dropping 7 into coverage. I didn’t think it would work, and I thought that it would take away the aggressiveness of the defense. That seems to be the case.
I certainly didn’t expect the front four to be as ineffective as they have been, especially given the add additions in the off-season, both returned from injuries and new players.
Unfortunately for Sheridan, I don’t believe that you can change your basic makeup. People like the Ryan’s (Rex and Buddy), Greg Williams, Jim Jackson and Steve Spagnolo have different personalities and think differently then people like Sheridan. You can’t fake that, nor can the feel of when and how to blitz be taught. I believe that type of aggressiveness needs to be innate. They need to find someone with that aggressiveness.
The Giants have to examine their roster in this off-season, as it appears that there were many more holes than we thought, both on offense and on defense. The basic talent is there, but the team needs to get seriously faster in a number of positions. Watching linebackers and defensive backs chasing after DeShawn Jackson and others this year has been an eye-opener, to say the least.
As it turns out, the first five games of the season against weak opponents only masked the Giants problems. Now, management, coaches and players have to look deep and figure out what needs to be done to get back to the levels of 2007 and 2008.
Also
I agree. A team can’t change your basic makeup this late in the season. But isn’t our ‘basic makeup’ suppose to be the Spags attack defense?
in theory BS was right
But about 5 or 6 weeks in when you see it’s not working, you’ve got to adapt. There is alot of talent in the front four. But if there week in or week out not getting to the QB, then you must have a plan B to counteract that. that means bringing the blitz. that means sticking with the blitz. Just ask the Eagles, Jim Johnson implanted the greatness of the blitz in there brains and even tho he’s no longer with us, his philosophy is. If only the same could be said about us….
when you hear players...
like TT and Webster talking about how they prefer to play Man coverage in the secondary it’s a clear sign that they’re not buying into this cover 2 scheme. They know damn well that teams have exposed it in the past…and will continue to do so.
Sheridan needs to buy into the fact that we can’t play this zone D….get your CB’s matched up one on one and have these guys jamming the WR’s at the line.
try to free up a LB or S to bring an extra 5th man at the QB at all times…and heck even 6 if you have to. We gotta get to the QB.
if it’s 3rd and 25 than you can drop back and play zone…but at least take away the deep stuff and force something underneath like we did in the dallas game towards the end.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
like the
3rd and 20 that D.Jackson was wide open for a 44 yard gain?
There’s something seriously wrong with your coverage when a receiver is that open on a 3rd and 20.
yup...
and what scares me is that it happened in the first meeting vs. Philly….and again in the 2nd meeting.
sheridan is just not getting it…it hasn’t “clicked” for him…or he’s just scared of getting burned, but he’s had enough time to make the adjustments and he hasn’t.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I agree but
how many Dbacks can chase after D Jackson? Very few. There’s not a single linebacker that can.
The first 5 games did mask many problems. I think it also created a sense of over-confidence. The team, especially on defense, thought they were much better than they really were. While I don’t like to use injuries as an excuse because all teams have injuries. What’s the lingering effect of all our off-season surgeries. Look at Brady. He’s playing but he’s a shell of his former self. He’s not the same QB from 2001-2007. Maybe he’ll return to form next season. Same with the Giants. Maybe another year of recovery will help Osi, Cofield, Alford and Canty. Not to mention. Let’s pray we get back KP.
Jackson isn't some unguardable entity
Last year when Webster was playing him man to man in our 3 meetings he had less yards than he had in this one game 2 nights ago
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 15, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
ACL's do take time
McNabb was not as good in 07 when he came back from his.
D-Jax is tough to cover but other teams have done it, hell the giants have done a decent job on Fitzgerald and he’s better than D-Jax, I just think the Giants lack speed and playmaking ability at saftey which makes D-Jax a tougher match-up for the Giants personal and I think Philly knows that so they go deep. Hell Reggie Brown was wide open on a deep pass and he’s an average WR, Donnovan just missed him. D-Jax is the scariest WR in the league in terms of big play potential but he’s not as well rounded as Fitzy, B. Marshal, or A. Johnson. I think he complements the other aspects of the Philly O very well and unfortunatley for us Giants fans we match up horribly vs all of the other aspects of the Philly O, pass catching backs and a quality receiving TE so out D is helpless against them.
I'm not a coach
with how much we’ve struggled in the secondary it would appear to make more sense to play man-to-man not zone.
+1
It makes much more sense to play man coverage with the safeties wayyyyy back. Webster struggled with Roy Williams simply because he’s not strong enough to jam bigger recievers at the line, but he would have had more of an advantage covering Jackson by jamming him at the line of scrimmage and keeping a safety over him at all times. The defensive game plan should be geared towards stopping the run, shutting down or at least containing the other teams most explosive player, and please can someone on this team cover a tight end??? The zones are not working Mr. Sheridan, give it up!
LET'S GO G-MEN
by I_Formation27 on Dec 15, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
For those of you against a DC change.
In 2002 Fassel took over the play calling from Sean Payton. The changed propelled the Giants into the playoffs winning 7 of their last 9 games.
The team was averaging 12 points under Payton and almost 27 with Fassel calling the plays.
Payton's come a long way, huh?
I used to bitch about him plenty, but I’m happy to see him doing well. Not that happy, but, you get the idea.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
Thing is Fassel was an O coordinator
TC is not a D-Coordinator, he’s an offensive guy and I’m not sure Waffel, Guinta or Merrit can just go in there and do that. Sure Guinta was a D-coordinator but that was 10 years ago.
Why not give Sheridan a chance to be in the booth
He wanted to be upstairs in the beginning but Coughlin axed that idea, insisting he be on the sidelines. Maybe he can do better with that view and relaying info down. At this point it couldn’t hurt
He could read the BBV Game Thread
and some of the guys here could tell him what plays to call. Great idea.
He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.
From Todd McShay's Mock Draft:
19 – New York Giants
Record: 7-6
Brandon Spikes*, ILB, Florida
Antonio Pierce sustained a season-ending neck injury and has just one year left on his contract, so Spikes would be a good fit as a future replacement. While injuries slowed Spikes this year, he is an instinctive run-stopper who can make plays all over the field when he’s healthy. He also has flashed big-play ability in coverage.
Yes, yes, YES. He’s a beast.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
I start asking that
…about an hour after the draft ends every year.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
I dunno man....
he’s not all that smart of a dude.
Goff is smart.
I’d rather focus on other needs in the draft. I think Goff deserves a full shot at the MLB position, like they envisioned for him in the first place.
Either give Goff a shot, or sign a MLB in FA.
I’m tired of drafting LB’s and seeing them flop.
If Rolando McClain drops to teh Giants…then get him, cuz he’s a legit Patrick Willis/Ray Lewis type.
Stay away from Brandon Spikes.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions
Gotta admit part of the problem with our LB flops have been
becasue other than SIntim most of them have been 4th or lower round picks, it’s tough to expect all lower round picks to be studs let alone starters most of them end up being special teams guys at best. They only defensive guys they seem to draft in the early rounds are D-ends and CB’s ( other than KP) maybe thats why the middle of the D sucks so bad it finally caught up to us. To be honest I think they’ll look at the avaible FA’s make any moves then draft the best guy availabe wether it be a LB, DLineman, or Saftey. KP and Alfords rehab progress will have a lot to do with those decisions. The giants need to rebuilt a bit on D and add some speed but I don’t think it’s as dire as people are making it out to be.
its not...
to be honest…
I just got done TiVo’ing this one….
The biggest play of the game was Boley’s non-INT, and also the ref blowing it dead.
He called it incomplete, so everyone stopped, but the Head Ref in the back called it a fumble.
We got hosed all around on that one…and that’s a 7 points swing.
Also…I still don’t know how Eli Manning’s 1st fumble was a fumble…..
The D wasn’t as bad as we think…merely a few big plays, and a few non-ones by the Giants and some really questionable crap by the refs.
I wanna play these guys again.
Really…the D is not elite top 5 level…but its really more average than it seems. They made stops and forced takeaways. Big plays, in all phases of the game, did them in.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with that
The defense is not that far away. There is lots of reason for long-term optimism.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
the defense made plays didn't they?
The Goff INT…then Eli gave the ball back on that questionable fumble. I dunno about anyone else…but they don’t turn it over..Philly’s D was 10x more of a sieve than the Giants D, the Giants were getting points on that drive.
The aforementioned Boley play? Osi did his patented Sack and FF didn’t he?
…yet, that play was a gigantic cluster FK..and the Eagles retained the ball when…Boley should’ve got that or at least someone needs to pick up that ball (like I see 31 NFL teams do regardless of the whistle…..)
What happened after that…the Eagles drive down for a TD.
Giants D made plays guys…they made frickin plays.
Yes, Deseaon Jackson torched them.
…But Jacobs fumlbe…Eli’s fumble…Boss’ drop….BIG PLAYS!! Gave the Eagles the ball back…and THEY FKING SCORED OFF OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
They actually made a few plays
but I do think you’re looking at Sudays game with some Blue goggles a bit. Our D was just as bad as Philly’s they took the ball on the opening drive and ramed it down our throats and did it late in the game too and put the game away. I agree with you if not for the two returns the Giants probabbly win with the way the O was playing and controlling the clock but they made the plays nothing you can do.
I will say I am a little happy that the O figured out their D for the first time since Plax has been gone and I think we got a good glimpse of what this passing attack might be like with Nicks in the lineup along with Smitty. Throw in HAM and it’s a nice passing attack they just need to get more consitant which I belive will happen if these guys keep making the strides they’ve made.
here's some more Blue Goggles...
the series before the Desean Jackson Punt return….One of Hakeem Nicks drops….Asante Samuel is pulling Nicks’ jersey out of his pants!
…………what is that?
I know what’s done is done..and certainly, all in all I credit the Eagles for finishing off these drives when the Giants failed.
All I’m saying is I was encouraged by the defense instead of mindlessly bashing it.
There was more to that loss than simply…the defense sucks, Sheridan sucks.
Going forward. From 12/21 till whenver the end of the season is….I think the potential for something different is there.
The fact that a whole lot was left on the field for the Giants..and quite possibly…a WIN was left on teh field….may be good for the Giants going forward?
Maybe they’ll look at this game on tape different than any other game. Maybe they’ll look at it like I did…Like…the hell man, “I gotta make that catch”…" I gotta stay in deep coverage".
There was a lot more left out there and THIS GAME…could be the one that gets them going.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
I hear you
I just can’t get that excited about that performance. The bottom line there was no pass rush other than that one play Osi made and it’s been like that all year. They improved their rush D against Philly from game one but it was more or less the same plays that beat them back in November. This team was built to rush the passer and it’s not happening so until I see that with some consistancy I’m not feeling good. I have no improvement from the D all year it’s the same stuff.
However like I said I feel real good about the O. I believe this game gave them some confidence and for the first time since Plax was in the lineup they were able to really exploite them. Philly was worried about Smitty and doubling him and Nicks was beating Samule in man coverage it was great. Philly had to play the safteys deep and Jacobs ran well up the gut, thats what we used to do to these guys it was nice to see that again and I think it will help Eli with his confidence moving forward.
At this point honestly why debate
Coughlin has already thrown his full support behind Sheridan, so he has the next 3 games and maybe a playoff game to fix this D. I have thought Sheridan was in over his head right around week 8. The saints exposed him and than he could not get any of the flaws they exposed fixed and my opinion has not changed. However debating if he should be fired or not is a mute point, because unless the Giants go on another 2007 run Sheridan is gone once the season has ended.
Than we will have to wait and see who is on the market and hopfully JR & TC take their time and select someone who can fix this mess or maybe a Head Coach that ryhmes with John Fox might fall into our lap.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 15, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions
i think Fox
may be the best guy….
the question is…can we convince him to go back to DC after being a HC already???
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
It depends
If nobody is offering hima HC job, I am sure he will consider it. Mr. Mara will definitly make it worth his while financially.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 15, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
also true...
let’s hope he doesn’t opt to take a year off or something like these other coaches have done
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
amen.
But I think it could break the right way for us. Carolina decides “enough.” We say – Fox, you’re DC, plus some lofty made-up title that makes him HC-in-waiting. And if he has to wait longer than 3 years, he gets extra dough. I have no problems with TC, but he ain’t getting any younger. (Although he looks like he’d coach for another two years after he’s dead.)
I left my swagger in my other pants.
I read somewhere that Coughlin is serious about retiring at 65. Hence his current deal expiring after 2011. A HC-in-waiting title would have some merit, so long as they earn it.
I read the something similar
two weeks ago in the NY Post Paul Schwartz wrote an article that avocated that. It said the Giants front office has a lot of respect for Fox and wanted him to replace Fassel in 01. The article stated TC has a lot of respect for Fox so who knows if they work out a deal like that. Fox loved it here but he’s done to well as a HC to not get another offer and and a Head coach in waiting can cause some issues.
Make him an assistant head coach and handle DC responsibilities..We need
Someone with intensity on the sidelines.
Some ex-HC that enjoyed limited success have accepted coordinator positions. Fox had much success as a HC including a SB appearance. I don’t see him accepting a DC job.
Don't forget the lesson of Jim Fassel
Enjoyed a pretty succesful run including a super bowl appearence and never got a sniff of another HC job. Giants DC job could be pretty high profile and keep your name out there. Having said that I thnk our chances of landing fox as the DC are probably around 20%
by Late for Dinner on Dec 15, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Fassel was hurt
from his disaster as OC in Baltimore. A reason for HC to pass on coordinator positions.
Fassel had a reputation as a loose cannon
that’s why he never got another job. Dick Jauraon sucked in Chicago but he’s very well respected so he got the Buffalo job. The Giants were close to firing Fassel in 01 and making Fox the head coach 1 year removed from a Super Bowl appearance so even they did not think much of him. Unless there are some things about FOx we don’t know I think he’ll get a HC job.
Good point
I guess that’s How Wade Phillps keeps getting opportunities to be a Head Coach.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 16, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
worth a shot...
JR could always take him aside and be like “hey…Coughlin’s not getting any younger….you come in here and turn this defense around and I won’t forget it wink wink when TC rides off into the sunset”….
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Coughlin's not going to be around forever ...
so Fox might think, do 2 or 3 years as DC and be the heir apparent to the HC position.
Oops, didn't see Andiamo's post ...
same sentiment.
Michael Silver today wrote...
…“13. New York Giants: Is Bill Sheridan the Ray Handley of defensive coordinators?”
ouch.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 15, 2009 4:38 PM EST reply actions
London Fletcher
is better than Zach Thomas. the guy covers more ground than UPS.
I like fletcher
Extremely smart and fast…Dude can hit too. The only guy ive ever seen LEVEL jacobs.. Jacobs got right up but an impressive hit none the less from a 235 lbs LB.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
fletcher is the man...
how he hasn’t been voted to a pro bowl is beyond me.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I think sheridan stinks too
But I think he gets one more year w/ more talent.
a) I think the secondary as a whole stinks, the LBs are very mediocre, and the D-line is either injured or under performing big time.
Let’s see waht Sheridan can do with good health and the return of KP and perhaps some more talent
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
I think that's fair.
Lots of injuries. Rooks in key spots. Also, guys who are switching positions. Guys like Boley and Canty not getting a full camp/preseason to get into playing shape, basically having to do it on the fly.
People wanna act like 2007 we had rookies in there…but we had Pierce, Mitchell, Strahan, Butler and Wilson as the safeties.
Guys like Webster and Mike Johnson and Alford and Tuck…these guys were the young infusion of talent then….
but in 2009…we don’t have that sort of veteran presence to balance it out. Or at least…Guys with the veteran precense and elite talent that someone like Strahan had.
Mixing in a CB (with Sam madison in his ear….), Mixing in a backup DE and DT….these were minor compared to the mass switching going on this year.
Sheridan…while I didn’t expect the D to be this bad (and its more mediocre than atrocious…..) probably should get another year.
Or at least, another year with a short leash.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Safteys suck especailly without KP
but corners are pretty good. None of them are elite shut down guys but with a better pass rush they get the job done. They did last year and for a lot of 07 but with no rush they struggle but so do just about every corner in the NFL outside of Revis, Baily and Asomughu
We haven't seen much of our corners lately.
Sheridan keeps playing that cover 2 which makes them just another random player that isn’t doing much
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 15, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
you gotta cover the flats...
teams were killing them with that…so you put the corners there (adjustment)
You can’t do it with the LB’s…cuz teams were running all over the Giants (LB’s stay in the middle…adjustment).
Only way to cover deep is to leave the safties deep….and they aren’t good enough.
so…..this is a player issue.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
Actully I think Terrell Thomas is turning into a bright spot for us
Plus let’s face it we have no pass rush, QB’s are getting 7 to 10 seconds to drop back and decide who to pass to. You give a QB that much time there is no way you are gonna have any shut down corners.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 16, 2009 10:45 AM EST up reply actions
Joe, I say you guys can have Sheridan
I don’t even want this guy loading the equpiment on the Giants bus next season. It’s not the injuries, yes having KP back would be great but injuries are a part of the game. Sheridan makes no in game adjustments, the only team he ever suprised somewhat was the Cowboys, (and after talking to a lot of Cowboys fans that may have more to do with Garrett than him). The guy is just not ready, maybe we plucked him too soon, but if he is back here next year as the DC I will be pissed.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 16, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions
no way jose
are you kidding me??? Sheridumb leaves ACTION JACKSON one on one against a freakin safety……. The guy is a moron as a DC he has no place calling plays for ANY football team.
Wouldn’t matter if he we had Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu back there together you don’t leave a player like ACTION JACKSON against a freakin safety.
I’d rather just run a base defense all game than have Sheridan calling the “plays”
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 15, 2009 7:49 PM EST reply actions
No...he did not.
Michael Johnson was supposed to have coverage to one side…except he bit up and created a quadruple team of Brent Celek.
That’s a fool Safety doing something he shouldn’t.
Ed Reed or Polamalu…or Kenny Phillips…would know their role there.
Don’t give me the cop-out of the “Sheridan is dumb” thing…
Yes..things aren’t working. But players…backups, like Rouse and Johnson..and guys learning a new position like Ross…are biting on plays and moving themselves out of position.
Its not as easy as “Sheridan is dumb”.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
That wasn’t the only time he burned us, on that other catch at the end of the first half as well, the first game against the Eagles it was the same thing! Sheridan cannot adjust, his blitzes never work, It’s as if the OLine always knows where the pressure will be coming from, his ’"trick" zone blitzes never work, nothing he ever calls works unless its against JaMarcus Russel.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 15, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions
the end of the first half...
that was after the Boley play.
That was a cluster FK.
Yest..the D has to stop them…
The D also should be off the field cuz Osi made a great play.
Gotta capitalize.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions
Sheridan did adjust for this game.
Hell man…you just gotta finish a play like that.
the ball was in Boley’s hands.
Someone’s gotta pick the ball up too.
….just looking at the ball on the ground…its just sitting there…..WAITING…for someone to pick it up.
…the ball sitting there is symbolic of the way this game went. The GAME was sitting there for someone on the Giants…ANYONE to pick it up….and they didn’t.
Now…if you wanna go and blame Sheridan (and COughlin..) for not yelling out to the defense to PICK UP THE BALL!!!….there you go.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
Someone’s gotta pick the ball up too
Thats just shows you Sheridan is not teaching and preaching the little things, Spags used to preach till the cows come home to scoop all loose balls up no matter what, whistle or no whistle. By week 12 that should have been second nature, Hell my HS coach used to preach that to us.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 16, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
THEY DO!!!
They do teach that in practice…Coughlin said it himself..every incomplete pass or fumble or whatever it is…a ball on the ground in practice is 100% of the time picked up and ran back to the end zone.
I don’t know what else to tell you…Coughlin was baffled..so am I.
WHY did no one pick it up? Its what they are taught to do!!!
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
bit of both...IMO
M. Johnson def screwed the pooch on the Jackson TD. That wasn’t Ross’ fault it was M. Johnson’s
At the end of the first half they hit Jackson again for a big gainer on 3rd down w/ Rouse all alone. Another blown coverage (do’nt know by who though)
The problem here is that…the blown coverages gotta stop. and part of that is on the coach. And part of that are the schemes.
I know it’s tough to opt to play Man coverage on 3rd down but that may be better considering you put a CB on Jackson at all times….w/ guys like Ross, MJ, Rouse helping him out.
In zone our Safeties get targetted because Sheridan is having our best corners defending the flat and underneath routes. Not to mention we’re giving QB’s way too much time to throw the ball…so the combination is deadly.
To Sheridan’s credit he did play zone in DAllas on 3rd and long and had some success w/ Romo taking those Dumpoff throws….it clearly didn’t work vs philly though.
problem is…we gotta know our personnel. know what we can do, and what we can’t do…and with who.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Your right
But our safetys are blowing coverages every game like that, and most teams are doing the same things to our D that the Saints did in week six yet our safetys are still choosing the wrong guy to cover. Some of that has to blow back to what they are being taught, because if they are that dumb(and they might be) they should cut somebody and go out on the street, practice squad or talk to a veteran who does not have a job and see if we can at least bring in a guy that will listen to what is being taught!
by Late for Dinner on Dec 16, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Defensive Players
Look we have to admit as fans that the Superbowl run was a majical thing. I mean the way the combination of no name replacements, too slow veterans and rookie unknowns came together was like the “amazin mets” for goodness sake. The fact that the chemistry has not been the same since the world saw the defense punch the Patriots in the face, should really not be a surprise. Somehow Spagnuolo got that group of players on a special run. However, it’s gone. It’s two years later, and the whole league is bent on stopping our pass rush. And, as we no longer have the element of surprise – or urgency- on our side we have been fairly easy to stop up front. The DB’s and Saftys may very well be stepping right when they, in the past stepped left. And, that will happen when QB’s don’t feel any pressure on a regular basis. However, that is what happens in this age of free agency and lack of focus or consistency. The Defensive line has been frustrated since the 5 and 0 start, then they began taking risks (i.e. not keeping their “gaps” and staying home) and all of a sudden we are being run and passed all over. I don’t believe that a coach can take the fall right now. The players have to play smarter, keep plays in front of them, read keys and bend but don’t break. Once you begin to limit teams to field goals, again. Then you can start getting aggressive and hope to return to some semblence of the team that made the miraculous run in ‘07. I don’t think they can get it back this season. The Redskins who are improving, may very well embarrass us next week, and put the nail in the coffin. I hope not, but it is a very real possibility.
Nice post
all good points. I agree a they need to take baby steps to get better. Wash will be dangerous this team is not good enough to take anybody for granted but the Giants seem to match up well vs Wash so hopefully that will continue but they are playing better on O.
The Magic lasted all last season till Plax shot himself!
Let’s not gloss over how much that impacted our offense, they could not score after that, our D was banged up yes, but they still kept us in every game, if our offense could have over come loosing Plax we are not just acting like 07 was magical, because going 12-4 when you are the defending Super Bowl champs and everybody you play is bringing their A game tells you it was more than magic.
Wich brings us to the perfect sh!t storm that has happened to our D, Injuries, Players getting old right in front of our eyes, on top of that we have a rookie DC that is blind to the facts that are brought up on this board Daily.
Maui just posted a football 101 go back to the basics, take all the exotic crap out of the playbook and do the basics right first. Sheridan has yet to learn that lesson, he still beleives for the most part that his D line can rush the passer so he can play zone coverage. He is still dropping D lineman to cover the flat. If we don’t do the basics on D the Redskins are going to bury us.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 16, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
I’d rather have us play base defense 4 man rush man underneath and safeties over the top all game than watch another failed zone blitz
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 16, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions
IT ALL STARTS UP FRONT
the blown coverages are all covered up by a good front 7 just like they covered the secondary in the 2007
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