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New York Giants News & Notes: About those playoff chances

So, let's get right to it. How are you feeling now about the New York Giants chance of making the NFL playoffs? If I had to guess, I'd say not too good.

I have been asking that question every week lately. When I asked last week 72% of you who voted thought they would.

As of today, following Sunday night's disappointing loss to Philadelphia, Cool Standings gives the Giants just a 25.7 percent chance at making the post-season for a fifth straight season.

I am venturing a guess that this week's poll comes in somewhere in between those two numbers.

Star-divide

As of last night, more than 80 percent of you who had voted in the 'should Bill Sheridan be fired immediately?" poll said 'yes." Well, by now we all know that head coach Tom Coughlin disagrees.

Coughlin said he was "disappointed with the results," but had not given any thought to removing Sheridan.

Instead, as has been Coughlin's MO throughout his Giants' tenure, he put the onus on the players.

"I thought we had a winning performance on offense but not a winning performance on defense and not a winning performance on special teams," Coughlin said. "Our pressure wasn’t very good yesterday – whether we were four, five or six-man rushes, really – there was really no way to say that the pressure had any degree of success no matter how many you brought yesterday."

Coughlin was also peppered with questions about the long touchdown pass to DeSean Jackson. He was asked specifically if Michael Johnson was out of position on the play. He made no effort to cover for Johnson, who was supposed to be in two-deep coverage with Aaron Ross but was nowhere to be found.

"Why in the world we are stuck on this backup tight end coming out at us instead of the knowledge of where this guy is. He is the one guy that can hurt you wherever he is on the field. That’s a good question," Coughlin said. "He was so concerned with the receiver releasing in front of him, the tight end in front of him, that he really didn’t have an awareness."

For now, I am with Coughlin on this one. Players have to understand their responsibilities, and carry them out. They have to understand which players can hurt them, and react accordingly.

That said, if the season ended today there is no doubt in my mind Sheridan would have to be looking for a new job. He has three weeks to change that. Off what I have seen for 13 weeks, I don't have much confidence he can.

Eli Manning knows the Giants are chasing Dallas (8-5) for the final playoff spot. He also knows they can't worry about the Cowboys.

"All we can do is worry about ourselves though. You can’t get into, you know, we need some help, but we’ve got to handle our business. We’ve got to win all three games. That is what our focus is, our focus is this week, right now, on Washington. We’ve got a big game. They are playing well. We’ve got to go into their place and find a way to get a win."

Kareem McKenzie, who has a sprained medial collateral, is likely out for at least two weeks.

(E-mail Ed at bigblueview@gmail.com)

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With the Giants now at 7-6, do you think they will reach the NFL playoffs for a fifth consecutive season?
Yes, I am keeping the faith
720 votes
Playoffs? No way!
291 votes

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Yes

I think they will reach the playoffs due to a Dallas collapse, but honestly I’d rather not make it at all. I don’t want to get into the playoffs just to get torn apart by Philadelphia for a third time this season. We’re not hot. Our defense is a joke. Sure we can make it into the playoffs, but do we want to?

by RolloT on Dec 15, 2009 7:46 AM EST reply actions  

Just a shallow thought

If we get in, that means Dallas doesn’t. Thats got to count for something? lol

by Hootman on Dec 15, 2009 8:02 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

true that

also, even if this team does somewhat suck, it would be great to push out the Cowboys AND have one, albeit small, chance to eliminate the Eggs from the playoffs

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Dec 15, 2009 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Faith and hope

may make me a dope, but I believe!!!!! If we play the eggles again, I think we will win.

by Jolly on Dec 15, 2009 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Absolutly

Anything that puts that wonderful scowl on Jerry Jones face id gladly take.. and i know the giants gettin the playoffs, no matter how bad we do there, would piss him off beyond belief… swept in regular season then knocked out of playoffs haha

by Gmen Fan in Gmen Land on Dec 15, 2009 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Tend to agree

IF we make the playoffs it will be for one round.

Would almost rather spend the rest of this year playing for 2010. Get good looks at Goff and Sintim, Beckum and Beatty.

by MSP Giant on Dec 15, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions  

I initially felt the same way

Maybe I’m naive. I’d like a 3rd crack at Philly. Without the fumble return and punt return it’s a different game. We still might have lost. Maybe the third time is the charm. I bet Eagles fans aren’t overeager to face the Giants again.

by FrankB0318 on Dec 15, 2009 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Playoff chances are becoming clearer

I was undecided last time but this time, i voted yes. It’s not a comfortable yes, but the remaining schedules for the Cowboys and us, tend to perhaps favor us. Plus, if DWare will be out for the Cowboys, that will not be good for them!

by Hootman on Dec 15, 2009 7:47 AM EST reply actions  

I still say no

Not seen anything that makes me think the Giants can take care of their own business.

by brisulph on Dec 15, 2009 8:01 AM EST reply actions  

Ain't over till its over.

"It ain't over till its over"---

How come no one covers Steve Smith?

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 8:34 AM EST reply actions  

Yes...But

I still think we should be able to make it, because of the schedule, but even if we do, I just don’t see us going anywhere with this defense. I see a one and done playoff if we make it.

by Late for Dinner on Dec 15, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

I saw a one and done in 2007.

I saw SB in 2008.

Get in.

What we see now….not always what we will see in week 18.

"It ain't over till its over"---

How come no one covers Steve Smith?

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

You 2

Need to get a room. Past 2 days I’ve just read you two going back and forth.

95% joking :P

by Woogie526 on Dec 15, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I have been a bit of a board whore

Woogie, we are in crisis mood sometimes you need fellow giant fans to talk you off the ledge LOL!

by Late for Dinner on Dec 15, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I will keep a stiff upper lip

Your right you never know what can happen and believe me I would love to be suprised. This defense is down right scary though.

by Late for Dinner on Dec 15, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Not Looking Good.

Dallas is likely to get hammered down the stretch but the Redskins & Vikings game don’t look promising for the Giants. Seeing the Giants being humiliated again by the Eagles in front of their sibilant fans is not something I want to go though again for a while.

Nothing Is Fool proof if you have the right fools.

by GiantsCauseway on Dec 15, 2009 8:52 AM EST reply actions  

Just a thought...

If the Niners can somehow win in Philly this Sunday, they end with Detroit and St. Louis and certainly a 9-7 with an 8-4 conference record, winning tiebreakers. So let’s not assume this is just a battle between the Defenseless Giants and Choking Cowboys quite yet.

by The Cycle on Dec 15, 2009 9:00 AM EST reply actions  

Agree.

Tho…beware the divisional foe (kinda why many are a scared for the Washington game).

The Niners have the Cards number. THey really do.

The Niners are building a solid team. Yet…they lost to Seattle the week before, which is why they are not scary.

They could beat Philly!!! Yes, I don’t doubt that.

…they could also lose to either Detroit or St. Louis.

They’ll be in the mix with the Cards next season. Full season of Alex Smith and Crabtree, they got something there.

…but you are right, in the CHAOS that is the NFL this season, it could happen.

"It ain't over till its over"---

How come no one covers Steve Smith?

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

They will make the playoffs...

…but they’re 1 and done. Way, way too inconsistent on offense, and consistently poor on defense. They have the talent, but they just don’t get the job done. A good part of that is coaching, when players too often make poor choices in coverage… i.e. undisciplined. It makes you wonder what the coaches set up as reinforcement opportunities during practice leading up to the games, whether these coaches are sharp enough to spot errant decisions, and then how much coaching is applied in order to correct those wrong choices. The Giants defense today is too straight forward, too predictable on defense. They don’t throw anything in the way of complicated stunts or overloaded schemes at an offense akin to what’s regularly witnessed by the best defenses in the league. The Giants intend to beat opponents straight up, man on man, old school. Offenses know it, and in fact count on it, as we’ve witnessed by Sean Payton and Andy Reed. This defensive unit is no worse than what Spags had to work with, and by this point in 2007 Spags’ defense was dictating to offenses. Today, offenses dictate to Sheridan’s defense, and he’s not sure what to do about it so nothing changes from week to week to week. 1 and done.

by buljos on Dec 15, 2009 9:14 AM EST reply actions  

Any...rrrr...aaa...thing can happen...

What experts had us getting through the playoffs and beating the Pats in ‘07. And who had the Cardinals making it to the SB last year. I know it doesn’t look good for the playoffs but you never know in this crazy game. One bounce of the ball or an injury to a key opponent. Our offense is playing well enough to make a run. Any thoughts on using Osi as a roving-type DL/LB, sort of like LT? We seemed to keep Dallas on their heels a little with that amoeba D.

by Last year in Sec 127 on Dec 15, 2009 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

Osi

isnt big enough to do that I dont believe…

The front 4 of Osi, Canty, Tuck and Kiwi should really have had a bigger impact against the iggles….I think one thing it tells us is that a dominant Defensive Tackle is an extreme need in this years draft….Barry and fred are getting old, I know we still have Alford who should really make an imact next season.

Take for example Minnnesota, they have 2 Huge run stuffing but also penetrating DT’s who are beasts they push the Qb back in the pocket to hopefully be sacked bythe speed rushers coming from the outside…

by GiantRB27 on Dec 15, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

Barry Cofield is a 4th year pro...

…who turned 25 this year. How is that “getting old”?

by Step up and make big plays on Dec 15, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Cofield is the best DL this year.

By far.

He was 10 yards up field tackling McCoy a few times on Sunday.

Cofield is the only one earning his money on the DL.

"It ain't over till its over"---

How come no one covers Steve Smith?

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

my bone...

wasn’t relying to your comment…..

"It ain't over till its over"---

3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 16, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

That may not be old..

But I agree that we need to spend a draft pick on a DT in next years draft. The entire D-Line is being consistently blown off the ball…even on pass plays.

LET'S GO G-MEN

by I_Formation27 on Dec 15, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I believe

people mistake Cofield and Robbins.

by FrankB0318 on Dec 15, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes I think so too...

Robbins is done (his blocked EP damn near was important tho wasn’t it?)

He’s done tho.

Barry Cofield over the past few weeks has earned his way back regardless of what happens the rest of the way.

I’d be disappointed to see him go away like Cornelius Griffen. #96 is a solid DT.

"It ain't over till its over"---

How come no one covers Steve Smith?

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Good point on Griffen

who was great as a rookie in 2000 then did tail off a bit after that. He ended up having a good run in DC so Cofield might be ok if they don’t have to pay him a ton.

by Landeta on Dec 15, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Cofield

IMO, he really hasn’t wowed the NFL for any particular big payday, so he’ll probably get something modest, but nothing to suggest that he’s been playing at a high level.

by Hootman on Dec 16, 2009 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Pretty much

Hes a decent player, fat tack, nothing special so I hope we can resign him to a good deal that will leave both parties happy

by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 16, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder what his cap hit will be...

cuz Bernard is as good as gone.

4yr, $16 million I think they signed him for…YEESH!

"It ain't over till its over"---

How come no one covers Steve Smith?

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, 4 for 16

Oh well, if thats what the market called for, theres not much else you can do about it. Besides not giving it to him!

Onto another thought. If 2010 is uncapped, how will that affect players under contract already that may be released? How can something take a hit (the cap) when it doesn’t exist anymore?

by Hootman on Dec 16, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

We can make it

but we really need to show up and play a real solid game at Washington… Now it is just made that much more difficult since we do not hold our own destiny and we must rely on other teams to help us out.

If nothing else I would like to see a little 3 game win streak here to close out the season. If after that we can make it than great….

by GiantRB27 on Dec 15, 2009 9:48 AM EST reply actions  

I think we'll get in

and by then the personnel changes will have been in place for a few weeks and young guys will have some more games under their belts. The question is whether we’ll be hot going in. We’re not hot now but as ’07 showed, it only takes one game to get hot.

by Jaybat on Dec 15, 2009 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

There's no doubt that we CAN get in.

If the defense that showed up against the Cowboys rears its head, then we have a decent shot at procuring our playoff spot by our own merit.
However, if the defense that played Philly shows up, we will lose any game we play.
If the latter happens, we could only get in by mere luck.

We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.

by GAgiantfan on Dec 15, 2009 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

this weekend is where we have to make our move.

dallas will lose against the saints and we will beat the redskins to get that final wild card spot. we lose this weekend and i dont see us making the playoffs.

by MrJayMichael on Dec 15, 2009 10:26 AM EST reply actions  

Looking at the schedule

We should be able to sneak into the playoffs. The toughest game will be against the Skins, they suck of anus too and we should beat them. Carolina is not the Carolina I’m used to seeing and the combination of Matt Moore and Jake Del Home Me means we should beat them. The Vikings will be resting their studs on both sides of the ball. Dallas has the Saints and will be playing without Dware, the Skins and then the Eagles. It’s basically a two team fight for that last wildcard and we have the softer schedule. Philly will win the East, Green Bay will get a card and Gmen or Girls will get the other card.

As bad as the D was, the killer play IMO was the Jacobs fumble. That put us down 14 and we had an uphill fight for the rest of the night. I think we have enough offense and the last 3 teams we play don’t have Desean Jackson. We should be in good shape.

by njgiant on Dec 15, 2009 10:32 AM EST reply actions  

I respectfully disagree

we took the lead and then gave it up on one offensive play. That was the killer.

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 15, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

the killer was the Boley play actually.

The drive for the Eagles, at the end of the half, resulted in a TD.

It was 24-17.

At the very least, the Giants do nothing and the score is 24-17 (Tynes can miss FG’s you know).

They score a FG, They score a TD.

EIther way….that play was gigantic.

It wasn’t just Boley either, it was the ref blowing the play dead. One called it a fumble..but the one in sight called it an incomplete pass.

The Giants could’ve at least gained possesion there.

Play of the game.

Play number 2 that killed them was the Kevin Boss drop at the 20 yard line. They had to punt after that…..and the Eagles drove down the field and got the 2 pt conversion.

"It ain't over till its over"---

How come no one covers Steve Smith?

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

these questionnaires

do not mean anything.

So let’s say the giants make it to 9-7 and get help from Dallas. Will backing into the playoffs make Bill Sheridan know how to coach a defense? Will it suddenly motivate the secondary to actually learn how NOT to blow an assignment? Will it get our running game back to form?

Personally I’ve mailed it in after the Denver game, but at the same time, I see the giants going 9-7 and getting to the playoffs….and than i see a gut wrenching loss.

I just don’t see this team having the ability to beat elite teams….

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Dec 15, 2009 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

Yes they'll make the playoffs...

…but they’ll be eliminated in the first round…again.

by John W on Dec 15, 2009 10:38 AM EST reply actions  

You know what, though

Personally, I’d rather get in and lose in the first round than not get in at all. At least you have a shot if you get into the dance.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Fully agree

I will never understand anyone that says they would rather not get in. Its the playoffs. Why on earth wouldn’t you want your team in the playoffs? Sure, they look bad, but is it impossible for them to win a couple games in a row? You are basically saying its better to give up then at least give it a shot. I don’t get it.

by daveh873 on Dec 15, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I would love to get in

and play the Eagles again. I don’t think we would win becasue I doubt our D can do anything but our O woke up against their D this week and almost won it for the G-Men so if the G-Men can get a few breaks and another solid offensive performance maybe they could beat them. The slim chance of that happining alone makes me want to get in and beating those guys would make the season worth it.

by Landeta on Dec 15, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Which dance are we talking about?
I’d rather get in and lose in the first round than not get in at all.

Parity is common in the NFL, but why do i feel like that if the Giants make it, it’ll feel like they’re a number 16 seed? lol

by Hootman on Dec 15, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Wasn't Richmond a 15

When they knocked off #2 ’Cuse a while back? Or was it #5 and #12? Either way, it was still a major upset!

by Hootman on Dec 16, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

As I said on a different blog

We have a very good chance of making the playoffs. I think we go 2-1 in our last three games and Dallas goes 1-2 with San Fran NOT going 3-0. Once there, I think we can beat Arizona assuming that’s who we play (don’t they split up the division rivals on Wild Card Weekend?). After that it would be us against New Orleans and we saw how that turned out earlier in the year.

by DavidE on Dec 15, 2009 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

No they don't split up division Rivals

If the Giants get in they’ll be the 6 seed and will play Philly who most likely will be the third seed.

by Landeta on Dec 15, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Playoffs

While I understand why some people would rather not watch more of this team than they have to, there are severals reason why we SHOULD want to make the playoffs:

1) Unlike so many teams where TALENT is the problem, although our safeties admittedly blow – I don’t think its unrealistic to think that with the players we have up front, we SHOULD be able to rush the passer and mitigate that to play at least AVERAGE defense overall. Right now we are the blatantly horrible on that side of the ball. For whatever reason, they have not got it done to this point, but for the people saying we need a major talent upgrade, I am not buying it. To me its more scheme than anything. Blitzing safeties from 15yds off the line at the snap or having a slow safety up near the line then expecting him to cover a guy like Jackson all the way down the field is a coaching issue where players have to be put in position to succeed.

2) As bad as the Eagles game was, and with everyone raving about the Eagles, and our defense could NEVER have been worse – we were a play or two from winning that game. Nobody could catch a ball or make a play on either side of ball. I have never seen a game where so many oppportunities were left on the table…

The thing is, once you make the dance, ANYTHING can happen. We are very healthy at this point compared to other teams – IF our defense and special teams can “figure it out”, then I will NOT say that we are best team in the NFL, but WILL be willing to say that on any given day, we have a team that has the tools and capability to beat anyone.

by dubsrub on Dec 15, 2009 11:54 AM EST reply actions  

We're healthy?

I think Eli, Tuck, Bradshaw Canty and Osi(?) missed that memo. Lets not even mention Phillips or Pierce since they probably won’t be ever back

by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 15, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would you say Phillips will never be back?

His own blog is talking about his rehab to get ready for next year. Way to assume the worst.

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 15, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

You just can't be sure about knee injuries

especially at a position that is all about making the right first step

by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 15, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

What's he supposed to say on his blog

my carrer might be over? He can’t even run till May, I doubt he’ll be much of a factor next year.

by Landeta on Dec 15, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Problem with KP

is that he has an arthritic condition. That does not get better. Maybe it can be managed, but it will undoubtedly impact his career. Whether he can come back, we don’t know. I think we can be sure his career will be shorter than anyone would like.
As for his own blog, you expect him to be negative about his prospects?

by Ed Valentine on Dec 15, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Call me the eternal optimist

I like to look for signs of encouragement.

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 15, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

We don't deserve to be in the playoffs.....

Based on how poorly and inconsistantly the team has played for two months, but I still voted yes, because the Cowboys deserve it even less, and since they’ve lost both head-to-head matchups, I really can’t see anything on their “great accomplishments list” that would argue that they more deserving of the “best of the rest” wildcard slot.

by Cranky50 on Dec 15, 2009 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

Neither did the Cards last year

they lost by 30 to the Patsies right before the season ended. Look where they ended up.

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 15, 2009 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

What a bunch of nattering nabobs around here.

Is Dallas going to win 2 out of 3 down the stretch? Doubt it, seriously. My bigger concern is SF winning out. IF they do that and we go 2-1 then they’ll beat us on conference W-L. Which means I need to root for the Eagles this weekend now. Bleech. The other possibility is that the Eagles could actually lose out. Pollyanna alert: we haven’t lost the division just yet.

"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin

by Mr. Met on Dec 15, 2009 2:06 PM EST reply actions  

Oh and if we DO make the playoffs?

We’ll probably be playing the Cardinals, scene of our greatest triumph, or have a shot at redemption at the Eagles. If any of you feel like you’d rather not watch that game because we’d no chance in it can cash in your Giants’ fan chips right now.

"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin

by Mr. Met on Dec 15, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd feel good vs arizona again

We lost last time because the O couldn’t get anything going.

I don’t think that’ll be a problem again, especially in their dome

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"

by Willgfass on Dec 15, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't worry

the 49ers are awful. the eagles 2nd stringers could beat them

by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 15, 2009 2:41 PM EST up reply actions  

errr no there not awful

While I’m not expecting the 9ers to beat the eagles, they shut down one of the most potent offenses in the league.

If they can get a guy on desean, it’ll be a lower scoring game.

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"

by Willgfass on Dec 15, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions  

How fickled

I voted ‘No’ last week after we had just beaten Cowboys, I now vote ‘Yes’ after losing to the Eagles, go figure. What I like .. a bit of a step up in the intensity. Giants lost to the Eagles, but we did score 38 points. I would love to see the G-Men in a post-season game, and just for that I say YES … and I actually think they will get there, not just wishful thinking. The Pro-Football Forecaster, which is always 100% correct for reasons that will be obvious, gives the G’s a better than 50% chance of winning each of their remaining three games, and a 49% chance of making the playoffs. They give Dallas a 51% chance, which is clearly a bug in the system.

The only question – if G-Men make the playoffs will there be as much pressure to flush the dunny on BS?

He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.

by Johannus on Dec 15, 2009 3:08 PM EST reply actions  

My voting matched yours, J

I can’t put forward as rational a reason as you. I don’t want to count them out before the skinny lady faints.

by blue gonz on Dec 15, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Blue .. I am well past rational

just running on hope at this point.

He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.

by Johannus on Dec 15, 2009 6:04 PM EST up reply actions  

one and done

I keep seeing this up here on the board… dont knock me for my optimism..but ima be as real as possible here..

top two teams are saints vikes…first round bye

then we got the cards, eagles/dallas(although the giants can win the div, if some crazy ish happends)

… the giants had a lot of bad things happen agains philly sunday night.. i dont think the pr td and the fumble td guarantee the giants a win at all..but it sure makes for a different ending.

the cardinals can be beat obviously…. i dont give a one and done against arizona at all

all the giants have to do is get in the playoffs.. win out.. and we are in(if dalls loses one)

now the fan opinion comes out…
..we never know, the giants d could amazingly turn it around and play decent enough ball to allow eli and jacobs to put up points on the board to win games… after watching his performances agains dallas and philly this year.. i think that we can make some things happen….. just win!

by semsemma on Dec 15, 2009 4:15 PM EST reply actions  

we couldn’t stop anybody during the regular season, what makes you think that will change? you cant fix a coach in 4 weeks

by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 15, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Arizona Cardinals

2008.

Defense sucked.

Gelled a bit for the playoff run.

That’s all I’m seeing from this Giants squad. I dunno what it is…but every time I Tivo a game…I see stuff that’s a hair late.

"It ain't over till its over"---

How come no one covers Steve Smith?

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

They weren't as bad as this defense

They got blown out the last few weeks when the wins didn’t matter for them…. Also they were not build to rely on their defense anyway. I know our offense has improved these last few weeks but they are not Fitzgerad – Boldin – Warner

by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 15, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

they can win with

Eli, Jacobs, AB, Nicks, Boss, Smith and HAM. Power running game and accurate passing is a check.

The defense is not as bad as you say.

The offense gave it back after the defense took it away.

Also..when the defense forced a takeaway….they didn’t capitalize…

The D is not good…but its not atrocious.

If the O doesn’t shoot themselves in the foot….the D can be overcome..even against a elite offense like the Eagles (cuz lets face it…that’s what they are with Jackson in there).

"It ain't over till its over"---

3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Defense is not atrocious?

It’s bottom 5 right now in the league in terms of points allowed. They haven’t stopped anyone when it mattered all year.

Couldn’t stop the Chargers at the end of the game, couldn’t stop the Eagles when they went up by 2 scores they drove 90 yards without a 3rd down…… couldn’t stop the Falcons at the end of the game, couldn’t stop the cowboys in the first game when we had a lead, etc etc.

They’ve been disappointing all year

by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 15, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

All year...

yes, disappointing. I’m talking about the past 2 weeks.

Against Dallas. Against the Eagles.

They made 3rd down stops. They got turnovers against the Eagles.

Yes, they got burned, but its just gonna happen with Jackson there..it just is.

You can;t do things like Jacobs fumble. Eli’s fumble. Boss’ drop. Boley not INTing the ball.

THose 4 plays…..3 of them, turned into TOUCHDOWNS when the Eagles had teh football.

Eli’s fumble was after Goff’s INT. The Eagles couldn’t stop the offense….yet, the offense turned it over……..

They had to keep pace. They had their chances…and they screwed them up.

This Eagles loss is not as much on the defense as the score says.

"It ain't over till its over"---

3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Jackson doesn’t have to burn us, like I said before, last year in 3 games he had less yards than he did in this one game against us. That is all on Sheridan.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 15, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

last year...

he was a rookie. they didn’t trust him as much.

…also, we had safeties last year, or at least ONE that knew what they were doing.

This is NOT all on Sheridan. Its partly on him…its a lot on the safeties.

"It ain't over till its over"---

3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember when they didn't trust him in the play-offs

and he ran the ball in from 40 yards out? I mean, that ONLY happened to be the first score and essentially set the tone (well that and Eli gifting that INT early on). They trusted him, and he was just as big of a pain last year, the Giants D seem better abled to actually stop him for the most part.

by brisulph on Dec 16, 2009 8:03 AM EST up reply actions  

We still can make it..

I voted yes, but agree that we’ll be one and done..I base this on comparing our schedule with Dallas..Now if we lose somehow to Washington, then I’d have to say we are toast.

by Bobbiblue on Dec 15, 2009 5:11 PM EST reply actions  

...and hey who knows?..If we get in the Tourney..maybe..just maybe..

Sheridan will have a “brian fart”..instead of the “walking farts”…

by Bobbiblue on Dec 15, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

If we get in

don’t expect a “23-0” stinker.

Expect a high scoring game where we make the other team earn it.

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by Willgfass on Dec 15, 2009 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I think people who say they don't want to go to the playoffs

may just be a little spoiled the last four years. Remember the mid 90’s, or early 2000’s when we were looking at losing records for consecutive seasons? Give me a year where we are in the hunt over that any day, and of course we want to be in the playoffs, because that is the entire point of playing professional sports. Anything can literally happen.

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Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 15, 2009 5:18 PM EST reply actions  

If skill always beat grit, determination, and dumb luck

the Giants would not have beaten NE in the SB two years ago. There is always hope. Were the Giants the first team to win the SB coming in to the playoffs seeded 6th? We ‘should’ have lost each playoff game in 2007. No, I’m still in there … but I am not taking out a second mortgage on the homestead.

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by Johannus on Dec 15, 2009 6:08 PM EST reply actions  

It's in God's hands.

We make plans, God goes Ha! That about sums up this season. Still, lets examine the plethora of ifs:
Giants make the playoffs IF they haven’t psychologically and emotionally collapsed and IF they manage to win 2 out of 3 and IF God continues to punish the Cowboys for decades of tadpole brained Texan hubris and they lose 2 of 3. Lots of ifs. But in the end my friends, it doesn’t matter. Sure, fool yourself into think its a new season and blah, blah, man, you are so wrong. It isn’t. Not for this crop. This is a team on the way down (the bleeding can be stopped, just not this year) as opposed to 2007 when they were a team on the way up. I know this is redundant. But it’s the truth. And I do understand the fans need to believe. Hey, I’m still watching. And I’m still hoping. But… as Orwell said: “To see what is in front of ones nose, requires a constant struggle”. So we keep hoping against hope that this team, which has given much pleasure over the years, as well as frustration, is better than what our eyes have witnessed. We put on our own blinders. And it’s all good. I mean, it’s only football. Not life and death. So, yeah, it’s Ok to be delusional here. Anyone see the movie Big Fan? About a Giant’s fan. Creepy and off, but it created a vivid picture of loyal fan psychosis to the max. Worth checking out.

by ZILLAG on Dec 15, 2009 6:17 PM EST reply actions  

Only thing I'll say...

is in 2007 the problem was our QB wasn’t it? He had the talent, but was way too inconsistent, for whatever reason.

Then…"""miraculously"", he figures it out and plays more consistent.

Now….considering who’s on our defense….is the talent there? These guys have played well in spurts…played well in the past…been here before….

Kinda sounds like our QB situation doesn’t it?

I don’t think it would be """miraculous"" if the defense turned it around….I think it would be just like our QB who turned it around…and is the damn good QB he is today…

It would be somthing like…just going out there and playing and reacting.

Just a “us against the world” mentality. Just a…yea, we’re happy to be here…but Fk it, lets give these asshole’s hell to pay.

Its there. Eli had his stinkers in 2007…but the talent for the playoff run was there.

GET INTO THE PLAYOFFS.

…take it from there.

Its one and done…its one and done.

…….but crazier things happen in January.

"It ain't over till its over"---

How come no one covers Steve Smith?

by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

The thing is a QB is

just one guy, a very key guy, but still just one guy the rest of the O was good that year.

The problem with this years D is well everybody. It’s not like if Osi starts playing better all of the D’s ills will be cured while in 07 all they needed was Eli to not turnover the ball and they improved drasticly, throw in the fact he was great in some spots and they became elite. Look at Minny this year they had a lot of the pieces and got a major upgrade at QB and they are legit SB contenders. Defense is such a team effort so it takes some time to get better and I’m not sure we have the talent at saftey and I’m questioning our D-Tackles too. Eli had the talent and showed it at times Rouse, Johnson, Brown and Canty have shown me a lot less than Eli did up to that point in 07.

by Landeta on Dec 15, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

So when does watching sports become fun for you Z-man?

You could be a fan of the Lions. Then you never have to worry about being delusional, and everyone will agree with your team diagnosis. Would that be more fun? You really seem befuddled that more people won’t agree that the season is over with with 20% of the games left to play and the playoffs within reach.

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Dec 15, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

we thought the giants were done...

…after eli threw 4ints vs minn in the superbowl season and he lead them to the superbowl. we thought that giants team was done, but they werent, they won, this gaiants team just needs to play with heart, its one and done and anyteam can win on any given sunday. GO GIANTS!!!!

"Yes we lost and yes we are upset. But like all Champs we will bounce back."
Osi umenyiora

by donnybaseball23 on Dec 16, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

just get in

it’s a whole different season in january
start off fresh 0-0
and who knows what can happen

by feaglesmvp on Dec 15, 2009 6:21 PM EST reply actions  

i would have voted no...

..if we were competing with anyone other then the cowboys in december. GO GIANTS!!!!!!!!!!

"Yes we lost and yes we are upset. But like all Champs we will bounce back."
Osi umenyiora

by donnybaseball23 on Dec 16, 2009 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

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