What the Giants and Eagles are saying about Sunday's game
by Ed Valentine on Dec 14, 2009 11:30 AM EST
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Here is some of what the New York Giants and Philadelphia Eagles players and coaches are saying about Sunday night's 45-38 Philadelphia victory. Be sure to check the 'Transcripts' page for complete interviews, provided by the Giants PR staff.
Here are a couple of snippets from Tom Coughlin's post-game presser.
On the loss.
"Disappointing loss. We worked hard, we prepared hard. I told the players, every guy wanted to do well. It didn’t work out that way for some. I was disappointed at the number of balls that were out on the ground. That is not what we preach and there we go. I think we were minus-three in turnovers and they capitalized," Coughlin said. "We still have a lot to play for and that is the way it is going to be. Obviously each game is extremely important and we’ve got to get ourselves ready to go to Washington next Monday night."
On the touchdown pass to DeSean Jackson.
"Should have covered him. Basically you have a two-man pattern. They blocked it up well. They protected, you know which, they maximum protected. I think it was a two receiver route. Threw the ball way down the field similar to the one they did to us over there before the half. Very, very disturbing."
On the porous pass defense.
"I didn’t think there was much pressure on the quarterback. We did not cover very well and we didn’t cover for very long. We keep trying to maneuver people in and out of different spots to try and come up with a better answer. We will just have to keep doing it. Of course, (Corey) Webster was out of the game there at the end of the game, too, and that didn’t help," Coughlin said. "You just keep working at it. Take a look at personnel. We will do the evaluation. We will do everything that we can."
On his fumble following Jonathan Goff's interception.
"I went down and just right when I went down the ball popped out. I did go head first, that is just something I have to be careful of. Either go feet-first or just take care of the ball. Our defense got a great stop after that, we went down and scored, so it didn’t destroy us right there, we were able to bounce back from it, but in that field position we had a lot of momentum going and you need to try to take advantage of that."
On the much-discussed 3rd-and-5 draw, a call he vigorously defended. The call, by the way, did come from the sideline. It was not an Eli audible.
"We had the perfect call on for that defense," Manning said. "They went and played two-man. All the linebackers were to the right and we were coming back with a counter the other way and we should have had a big opportunity to get a big play right there, we just didn’t do it. We are going to look at the film and see what is going on. We were running the ball pretty well out of those things and when they are playing two-man and both safeties back we really had a good call on, we just didn’t execute it to our best ability."
Rich Seubert, summing up the frustration of the Giants players. (Full players transcript)
"Nobody cares about what happened tonight anymore. If we win the next three games, we will be in the playoffs. We gave them seven on a punt return; we gave seven on a fumble recovery. I guess that means that we just have to score more. We can’t win games playing like that. We just have to play better."
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so do I
but not as much as I hate the cowboys and at least we swept them….
well....
i didn’t think it would be as close as it was.
i was proud that we hung in there and scored some points.
but sheridan is still the same sheridan he was in pre season…lost and in experienced.
Playing Zone is useless for this team. I saw Corners dropping into zone coverage and not covering anyone. I saw Linebackers dropping back 30+ yards to cover plays that they had no business covering. You saw it in the 4th quarter. When Philly needed a stop they got it and when the giants did, they couldn’t get it.
Zone defense is a killer when you don’t have the players in place who know how to play it.
we got guys covering the same player and leaving D. Jackson alone w/ Aaron Ross on a deep pass. that was a mistake and should have never happened.
the pass to Boothe made me embarrassed to be giants fan.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
the pass to Boothe made me embarrassed to be giants fan.
Haha, I couldn’t understand that for the life of me. Your O Line was completely dominating us in the run game. We simply couldn’t stop it. So on 2nd and goal form the 2 facing a tired defense that Brandon Jacobs was shredding, what does Gilbride dial up? A pass to the backup 320 pound O Lineman! Had the Giants not scored a couple plays later, that play call might be the most discussed topic today.
The funny thing is
Everybody spends all kinds of time killing KG for being predictable. He dials up a gadget play and what are folks doing? Killing him. You guys would be singing his praises if it worked.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 14, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
KG that trickster
Whats next, Boothe out of the Wildcat or trips to the right in a bunch formation? lol
LOL.....
Booth in the wildcat, that’s classic. But on a serious note, he could be a one man bunch formation.
I actually don't spend much time on here beating up KG...
…because, IMO, our problems on O are largely issues of execution, not formation or scheme. BS, however…
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 14, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
I think everyones issue here is
that when something seems to be working, we stop doing it. But if its not, KG tries to force it until it does.
I really believe that
with the players we have, our D should be quite a bit better, not elite by any means, but average. I don’t know where else you can lay the blame but on BS
Let's flip the situation
Whenever teams pull that kind of play on us, I’m fuming. One, because we let it happen. Two, because it shows versatility and it makes me feel like they can just do whatever they want at that point. That game may have gone differently if the Boothe play was successful and put that kind of mentality in Philly’s head.
Exactly.
That game really killed me. That was probably the worse Giants defense I’ve even seen playing. Giants are supposed to be GOOD on defense. And have a great running game. Something seriously needs to be done about BIll Sheridan. Obviously Steve Spagnolo was a great coordinator, but Bill doesn’t know what he’s doing. He should be fired at the end of the season. Game after game he keeps screwing things up…
by EarthWindFire on Dec 14, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
coaching
I agree, you cannot expect Gilbride to be perfect. He kept with the run when it was working, and he is allowing Eli to throw down the field more, which is his strength. While he has some questionable calls, the results worked. Who would have thought our passing game would be the team’s strength?
The defense just baffles me. The first few weeks and last week against Dallas, we played mostly man-on-man. Did you notice that every time Witten caught the ball, Rouse was there to make the tackle? When they threw at Williams, Webster was there. This week, nothing but zone.
I want one game
where we’re winning from the beginning, and can just have jacobs pound the other team into submission.
Let’s start vs Washington. Remember all that meaningless talk about jacobs vs haynseworth and F=ma (actually it’s ΣF=ma, yeah for physics! [no, not really…])
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
A constant refrain, kind of like...
step up and make big plays?
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 14, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions
perhaps it's time to change the moniker to...
…Step up and prevent big plays.
It doesn’t quite have the same ring to it though, no?
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 14, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
ha... not quite
but if TC is going to print out some slogan t-shirts for a desperation playoff run, i’d vote for the ‘prevent’ version.
although, considering some of our receivers have been doing just that on offense, it might be a little awkward…. hakeem nicks certainly doesn’t need one of those shirts.
Offense was not the problem last night
Defense is VERY troubling. How could the Giants be SO unprepared for this game defensively? How? Doesn’t make any sense.
The Eagles didn’t do much differently from their previous meeting on Nov 1. Big plays to Celek and D Jackson back in Nov. Last night, more big plays to D Jackson and Celek. And you can’t just say, “oh, the players didn’t make the plays” – that refrain DOES NOT apply to this scenario. Sheridan is simply a lousy defensive coordinator. You know what? It’s not like the linebackers last yr when he was the LB coordinator were a hotshot unit or anything. This was just a terrible hire. Through and through.
look man....
I agree 1000% the defense was A PROBLEM….but it certainly does not excuse the offense.
500+ yards is one thing.
Leaving plays on the field……..is another.
I could care less if they had 500+ yards or 150yards.
There were plays left on the field. Routing plays. Simple route running plays. Touchdowns…
Touchdowns were left on the field.
Ask Tony Romo what he thinks of his 400yd day?
Was the offense a problem? Well….yea, it was.
Big plays, nice plays are one thing.
A WHOLE LOT OF THAT CRAP ON DEFENSE WOULD BE MASKED!!!!! If we could make a few of those god damn catches.
ROUTINE plays. They could’ve been big plays…but when a ball is right in your hands…it has to be caught.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Offense
did score 38 points, though. But, yes, coulda/shoulda/woulda scored even more. If the players had made the plays.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 14, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
offense/ defense
yes, i do blame the offense for leaving points on the field, and making big mistakes that fundamentals should cover(route running, catching, sliding)
but those cons are greatly outweighed by the defensive output.
if i had to choose, this game no doubt was lost by the defense, not the few plays that the offense didnt perform well on.
Well..
They scored 45 on us with 374 net yards..We scored 38 on 512 net yards..Stats are decieving..We all saw the mess..and it was a mess..Our defense sucks..they even left a sure turnover laying on the ground!!..I don’t know about you guys but I was going nuts..Pick it up!!..I was hollering..Defense 101: you see a ball laying at your feet..you should have seen the play..pick the damn thing up!..and I’ll bet that vote of confidence TC gave BS in public was far different behind closed doors..and Manningham..He runs the worst outside routes I ever saw. They teach you that shit in High School..He doesn’t drive the defender inside before making his breaks and winds up out of bounds..one or two more yards before the cut outside and he catches it in-bounds..Boss and Smith also missed catches that have to be made in those situations..that’s why they make the big bucks..Nicks redeemed himself, but you have to expect that from a rookie..not Manningham at this point..Who is coaching him?..I saw Coughlin talking to him..too late if your in a game..What the hell is the staff doing during the season?..That route is pretty basic if you ask me
I can't wait to see the poll results this week...
…for whether or not the Giants will make the playoffs. It will be interesting for me to compare to last week’s numbers coming off a win. Perhaps they will be more of an indictment of how little belief we have that Dallas can actually make the playoffs rather than a indication of confidence in our team’s play.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 14, 2009 1:39 PM EST reply actions
I'm still saying yes...
I’ve always been saying yes…and I’ll say yes till they’re out.
Dallas is NOT making the playoffs. They ain’t beating NO. I dunno what they do against Wash. And they ain’t beating the Eagles, who sure as hell will be pissed to even the season series.
I firmly believe that these guys can win the next 2.
If we can’t beat 2 talented teams that just can’t get out of their own way and find ways to lose…we have no chance anyway.
Dallas ends up at 9-7 at best. Can we?
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
+1
AccuScore has Dallas at around 67%, Giants at 29%, but obviously, that doesn’t account for the fact that MIN may not have anything to play for in week 17.
I estimate there’s ~50% chance that NYG and Dallas are both 8-6 next week. If that happens, I like our chances (especially since that puts the saints 1 game closer to putting away MIN by week 17).
So I say AccuScore is way off here — I’d put the Giants at ~40% and Dallas at ~60% at the LEAST, if we’re factoring in the week 17 “bias”. I may also be dangerously assuming that the Eagles will still have something to play for in week 17 — I haven’t tried working out that scenario.
You raise a good point Step up..
Our chances are not going to be based on confidence in our team’s ability..It will be based on comparing schedules with Dallas..without Ware, Brees is going to have a field day..Certainly not on how our guys are playing..and it really doesn’t matter because they haven’t improved on defense this year, in fact they have gotten progressively worse.. so if we do make it..we aren’t going to last one game..Do we look like a team that has the potential to get hot in the tournament..Nope ain’t gonna happen…and I firmly believe it isn’t a matter of re-building our defense beyond getting rid of some high paid dead-beats..I believe the coaching staff needs to be re-built..Too much talent too be wasted on piss-poor coaching..and again I submit this defense would not have regressed if Spags was still here..that assertion that they have slowed down is absolutey absurd..and that goes for both sides of the ball..How many guys do we have that have 10-13 years under their belt?..Getting old?..bullshit..Most of our players should be hitting their prime years.
mark my words
playoffs don’t even really matter. This team is not going to SUaMBP anyway, so it would just be an extra kick in the ass.
You play to win the game!
et tu Simms?
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
well,
I just don’t see how this team is going to make a run in the playoffs right now with all these problems and lack of chemistry and fire. Of course I want them to make it.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 14, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
Domes
awesome offense
crappy defenses
If we make the playoffs, at least it will be exciting. Don’t expect 23-0 crapfests. Instead,expect 56-48 shitfests
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
This was a full game
The Giants did not get the breaks needed, ‘nough said. They were not beaten by a better team, but by a team that was better last night. Despite having more than enough gaffs to be blown out, and depite giving up more than 40 points, the Giants were in it to the very last play, and played that way. Not ’exactly’ quite like losing to the 15-0 Patriots to start a run, but the Giants showed they could stink up the joint in one facet, and still be there to take it at the end.
Imagine what they’d be saying in Philly if the Giants WON last night at the end.
we played like dog sh1t on d
but, you can’t say this Giant team is better or even as good as the Eagles.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
this giants team
is better or even as good as the eagles. There. I said it. It’s just a bad matchup. And freak plays. And the astrological charts, and somebody dropped a deck of tarot cards. That’s why the Eagles won. Not because they’re better. Never.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 14, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Joe...
I dunno what you are seeing.
Actually…I read on BGN that many of you guys think this one shouldn’t even be as close as it was?
FOr real?
Missed tackles? Missed tackles made up for the holes in the GIants WR hands.
This game should’ve went into OT…if anything, and go from there.
That’s how evenly matched it was.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
it came down to a fumble by Jacobs.
Eagle fans will credit Trent Cole…Giants fans will say Jacobs has to hold onto the got damn ball.
Punt return? Eagle fans will say Desean is too talented for the NFL, Giants fans will say somebody’s gotta push him out of bounds (Feagles…….get it F-Eagles?)
Hell…Manningham’s gotta catch the ball in bounds.
For as bad as the Giants defense played, Good the offense played, bad the Eagles D played…GOod the Eagles O played…however you wanna sway it……………game coulda been tied if not for some freakishness.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
OK
There are retarded arguments on both sides of the ball here..
Question. Do you really think FEAGLES…FEAGLES…LET ME REPEAT: FEAGLES!!!! can stop DeSean Jackson? Jackson ran past DeAngelo Hall when Hall had an angle on him. How on earth do you guys expect a 43 year old punter to tackle DeSean Jackson?
I think the score reflected how the game went quite accurately. We have some homers on the site just like there’s blatant homers on here. I’ll tell you that I’m the most realistic fan on the site (one of them anyway). The otherse are idealistic at best. and I’m telling you, on paper, the Giants are not as good as the Eagles and our record reflects that.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
OH COME ON
could woulda shoulda…how about that blantant PI on celek that probably would’ve led to a td if called?
How about the td play when diehl jumped off sides bout 5 yards before the ball was snapped?
The reality is we’ve beat you 4 times now, the past 3 in your own home. youre like the kid who gets his ass kicked but told his friends he won the fight
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
You won
I don’t think Freebradshaw is trying to say you didn’t win.
Final score was what it was.
But don’t bring that ref bull.
They sucked equally for both sides.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
Listen I never blame the refs
But there were some HUGE calls on us. and I won’t not say that you guys had a couple bad calls too.. But if you counted them up, we got shafted worse. We pretty much had a TD taken away from us, and the Mikkell penalty that kept your td drive a live was a iffy call…blah like i said, i don’t blame the reffing, but you can’t argue that the Giants are better…Not with stats anyway
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
This is why I hate Eagle fans
they are like Jet fans they play well win some games and act like their team is the Lombardi Packers and few teams are in their “league” The Eagles won becasue of a punt return and fumble return. Both offenses scored at will niether D showed up which has been a problem for the Giants all year and has been a much bigger problem than expected for the Eagles this year. Nobody said it does’nt count the Giants won on a punt return last week. The Eagels are a better team this year but that game could of went either way. Boley holds onto that pick or fumble and goes to the house its 24-24 at at halftime instead of 30-17. It happens thats the way the league is no one team is that much better than the other and that includes the two 13-0 teams.
I know how you're feeling
can you believe we’re tied with the jets record wise?
We must reeeeeaaaallly suck.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
I can't believe I'm saying this but
I wish we had the Jets D.
But I’m sure they wish they had Eli (though they won’t admit that becasue Sanchez is going into the HOF this summer)
Imo
the jets defense, when healthy, is the best in the league. Kris Jenkins is a beast, Darelle Revis is awesome, and I wish our linebackers could sniff their jockstraps.
I’ll give credit where credit is due. Giants offense, jets defense, we’d kill everyother team outright.
Hell, I’d settle for the jets coverage team.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
tushe
not that our’s has been any better.
Plus with coughlin, we’d just have angled it away from him after their first td
:)
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
and if mcnabb hits brown its another 7
and if celek gets the PI call its probably another 7
all these coulda woulda shoulda doesnt mean ANYTHING, cause both team had them. Listen, I’m not saying crown us (our defense had its worst game in a long long long LONG time) but freaking A, give us some credit here. We were the better team, just admit that.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
I did admit it
the Eagles made more big plays last night most of us here are saying that but it does not take away from the fact that it was a close game the Giants could of won. Punt returns and defensive TD’s count we all know that but they don’t happen all of the time so it’s going to get scrutanized. Thats what this blog is about analyzing why we lost and how we could of won and what plays were left on the field, thats what were doing. What are we supposed to say it’s a miracle the Giants scored any points against that ferocious D and were lucky that the NFL allowed them to play against such a superior team and becasue of last night the Giants should foriet all games vs the Eagles in the comming years?
How come when the Eagles win one of these close wild games
that could go either way it’s because they are the better team that “kicked ass” but when the Eagles loose one like this it’s a fluke and the other team got lucky?
Well most Eagle fans I've talked too
never give the other team credit. It’s Andy Ried this or Donnavan that when they loose, it’s never the team is better so I notice it more with the Eagles fans.
true that
every fan says that about the refs and their team… also everyone feels slighted by the announcers… even Dallas fans when Aikman is totally on their jock and Joe Buck is in love with Tony Romo
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Dec 15, 2009 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
no WAY you can blame that on the offense
they absoloutely SHREDDED our defense and made us look like the f-ing Lions. We all discussed it—whoever had the most big plays had the best chance to win. the S/T and D TDs were probably the deciding factor who won.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
the game was a typical salary cap NFL game
where both teams are fairly even talent wise and one or two bounces as you stated is the difference in the game. Games lost by 7 or less points is so common now. Its not very often where teams that are comparable talent wise blow out the other tema anymore. Both D’s stunk but I attribute that more to the Offenses executing better. Did anyone see all the blown assignments last night and how wide open receivers were at times? I know Ross is a good player but its hard being a corner in the NFL and just changing to a safety.
It will be interesting to see what happens after next years non cap season if we get that far.
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Did anyone see all the blown assignments last night and how wide open receivers were at times?
How could you miss it, looked like sand lot football.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 14, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
Ross is a good player but should never have been put in a starting role at Safety..
They (our coaches) made an ass out of him..a great player poorly coached..
he was put in at safety.
out of necessity.
You’d rather see CC Brown?
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 8:51 AM EST up reply actions
I'd rather would have seen..
Coughlin start..He was the only one that looked alive…
Congrats Joe
Question for you, Phily’s D looked almost as bad as ours, is that a one time thing or have they been playing like that all season.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 14, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure an Eagle fan can answer better than me but from what I've seen
of the Eagles their D has some holes especailly at the saftey position. They’ve struggled agaisnt elite passing teams like SD and NO and obviousley last night against the Giants. They also give up big plays, not as bad as the Giants, but they give em up Dallas had one late in that game that won it for them. They have had some secondary injuries but the D has not been as stout against really good competition as it was late last year. Even the Bears had open guys all night Cutler just did not hit them. With that said it has not been as terrible as the G-Men’s D by a long shot. Their aggresive scheme have worked to pressure the QB at times this year and the run D has been good. It’ll be interesting in the playoffs becasue Philly, NO, ARZ, and Minny are all big play teams while Philly, NO, and ARZ have somewhat suspect Defenses that have given up a lot of big plays this year. I would say their defensive troubles would be a big issue going into the playoffs but considering there are no really good Defenses among the elite playoff teams and they all seem to rely on 60 yard bombs to win games I think all of these games will be crapshoots that come down to TO’s and special teams. It’ll be interesting to see how GB plays against any of these teams in the playoffs they seem to have the best D of all of the NFC playoff teams and are balanced on O so they might casue some trouble.
I'd like to think
its eli growing up
What’s the difference between this game and the last game, and the game before against the eagles?
The offense had it’s shit together last night. Vs a better defense (I think eagles maximized its talent in the LB, and made some other changes), Eli shredded the eagles.
Eli made the Eagle’s defense look bad, not the eagle’s defense making eli look good.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
Eli could of shredded the Eagle's D the last 3 times
he’s had open guys he just missed them or guys dropped balls (they did last night too). SInce Plax went out Philly has dared Eli and the WR’s to beat them (and rightfully so) by having man coverage on the WR’s and Eli has not come through. Guys were open last year and earlier this year but last night Eli actually hit them, all night. Philly rolled some coverages over to Smith but Nicks killed them in man coverage on the other side. Assante tried to jump some routes underneath then Boss would leak out. Eli alwasy says the Eagles give them big plays and he tries to air it out and it did not work 3 straight times not because they were not there but becasue Eli and WR’s did not make them. Well last night they finally made them and if was’nt for a fumble, punt return and the shitiest D I’ve ever seen from the Giants they would of pulled it out becasue of Eli. While Eli and the young WR’s have grown up the defense has regressed big time.
all true
All you oldtimers, get used to something you haven’t seen too often, alot of shootouts.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
Both
We’ve had some stellar games and some poor games. The poor games have mostlyh been due to injury but we were fairly healthy that game. We have NEVER looked even remotely as bad as we did Sunday. Not sure if that was just a tribute to how goo dthe gIants offense played or how bad our defense is….
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
the offense is not absolved...
no way.
Plays were to be made.
Not missing wide open WR….dropped passes they were.
Inexcusable route running and awareness.
This is what did them in, + the defense.
The defense being what it was this game….if they go ahead and CATCH THE DAMN BALL….we have a different game on our hands, a much more even game….and yea, I’m taking into account the Eagles making tackles (catch the damn ball….Nicks missed tackle run is non-existent, Hixon’s…yea, take that one away if you will….Giants were shredded the Eagles anyway).
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
Absolutely Joe..You guys deserved the win..
But neither team looks like a successful play-off team..in fact I don’t see any NFC East team going anywhere in the playoffs..which is a damn shame.
A bit off topic
A great 24 hours for Philly fans. Phillies just acquired Roy Halladay
wow. thats an awesome pickup for you guys.......congrats
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and traded cliff lee away
how stupid are they?
Cliff lee was the only reason the phillies won those games against the yanks
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
Very Disturbing indeed
Should have covered him. Basically you have a two-man pattern. They blocked it up well. They protected, you know which, they maximum protected. I think it was a two receiver route. Threw the ball way down the field similar to the one they did to us over there before the half. Very, very disturbing
Two WR's running routes and we could not cover them
thats awful. they could not of put two DB’s on Jackson we rushed 4 maybe 5 what were the other 6 or 7 guys doing?
Disturbing?
Gime a break..“I think”?..TC scares me sometimes with his public commentary..“I think”?
To all those continuing to put blame on the offense...
Stop! Yes there were dropped balls. Yes they’ve had off games. Yes the running game has been spotty. But the offense IS a playoff caliber O. Seriously. Didn’t think it would be, I was wrong there, but they are. The D is flat out terrible. Has been. Will not improve enough to make a difference this year. It is a D best suited for a team like Tampa. Porous, Confused, weak. The DC should and will go. But it is deeper than that. These players DO NOT have the juice, mental or physical, or, in most cases, the chemistry to do what needs to be done. They are an embarrassment to the Giant tradition of D. Winning more than 8 games with a D this flat-out shitty is an accomplishment. They cannot stop anyone when anyone needs to score. No one. They suck. They’re the reason we’re all disappointed. The O is a better than decent, though oft erratic, but good. The O made mistakes and bounced back to put the game in play. The D said, “sorry, dude, I’m useless today… I wanna go home…” F the D.
it is...
and it will continue to be.
But as one of those (I blame the defense #1 tho…) who blame the O too…I’m blaming them for this game.
In Eli’s career, his WR do miss more than their share of passes (i dunno what the league ‘standard’ is, but they gotta be near the top/bottom of the league since he first started). But yesterday was very bad.
Yes, they had damne near 400 yards of passing. ITs just…..those catches, you gotta make those. They were big, and the way the defense was/is playing….you gotta make the catch when its there, or else it will cost you…
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Wow, Z
We agree about the offense. Thirty-eight points and 512 yards even with all the mistakes is w/o doubt good enough. The defense is also, w/o doubt, terrible.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 14, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
thank you
the offense, despite their own mistakes, stepped up time and time again and took it to the Eagles, playing catchup all along with absolutely NO help from the defense. The offense’s mistakes were the least of three units thyy had to wrestle with and overcome.
Least problematic first,
1) their own miscues
2) the Eagles defense
3) their team mate’s on defense
Bloozer
This is unusual:
I agree with every word, Z
I know its like the sign of the apocalypse
maybe the giants will start winning now consistently?
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
How come?
A team shouldn’t loose with the kind of numbers the Giants had on offense. over 500 yards total and 38 points? The fault definately lies with the D. I quote ZILLAG on this “These players DO NOT have the juice, mental or physical, or, in most cases, the chemistry to do what needs to be done. They are an embarrassment to the Giant tradition of D” Last night I saw the worse Giants defense EVER. Aren’t the Giants supposed to be good on D? The leaving of Steve Spagnolo and the bringing in of Bill Sheridan directly correlates to the less-than-stellar defensive preformances throughout the season.
Sheridan should go, but was dealt a bad hand.
Spent, none too bright, players does not a good defense make.
the writing on the wall is evident.
The talent…on defense, the way the Spagnuolo/Sheridan defense is constructed….its just not there for these guys.
There was a reason Spags was successful. There is a reason Sheridan is not. Its the same scheme. What gives?
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
too sure of his plans
Sheridan gets glory for the first five games..Then he and the d line are found out.
the team makes it by two more teams, by bad angles and poor wrap ups.
The defensive scheme sucks to the sound of we were up by 1 and give it back.
so they can play pitch and catch to the tune of 14 more points the giants hand was showing the last game of last season, someone has got to make an imidiate change.
the same thing only gets your players complacent, give tem hope to think that a new thing is great….not the same old…cant read the play so just stay with the plan…..
oh shoot, may be somebody should jam a receiver or may e a bit more freak on the blitz
pkges…….naw we will just stay mediocre..no risk taken.
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