Eagles 45, Giants 38: What just happened?
by Ed Valentine on Dec 14, 2009 12:08 AM EST
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PrintWow! Not a happy wow, but still a wow! I am completely exhausted after simply sitting and watch the New York Giants 45-38 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles Sunday night.
How is it possible to gain 512 yards in total offense and score two touchdowns on plays longer than 60 yards and still lose? Wow!
Too much DeSean Jackson, a fumble by Brandon Jacobs that resulted in seven points for Philadelphia, two terrible pass routes by Mario Manningham and a defense that couldn't make a play when it needed one.
That's how the Giants lost, falling to 7-6.
Why is it that stange, un-Giant like things like a Jacobs fumbled and a ball squirting away from Eli Manning when he falls awkwardly to the ground seem to happen lately against the Eagles?
At least the Cowboys (8-5) also lost, meaning the Giants still have hope for a playoff berth.
That's all for now. Can't really think straight, to be honest. Back later with the 'Kudos & Wet Willies' after I've had a chance to get some rest and digest the complete insanity I just witnessed.
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3 and 5, 4th quarter
and they call run? Really? Thats what lost the game.
Well that and general secondary incompetence.
Absolutely
The way the D was playing, their only shot was to score on that drive, have Philly score, and then score a TD on hopefully the last real drive of the game – the clock was setting up for that. And Collinsworth just gets out of his mouth how everything Eli is throwing is working, and they run that play. Baffling.
can't believe that.
The short pass was wide open….and they run a ‘trick’ draw play.
Foolishness.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions
I very raley will get on play calling
but that was bad, that draw has not worked all year and Eli was shredding their D. They had no idea who to cover, Nicks, Smith or Boss.
No to defend our awful secondary but the pass rush was a joke tonight I mean McNabb had 5 seconds on that bomb to Jackson unacceptable. Philly had two TD drives in which they were not forced into a third down, totally unacceptable. Draft all D next year thats it LB’s DT’s
pass rush...
that’s what made the corners of the past few years good in the first place.
The secondary was never great.
The pass rush was.
No pressure, exposes them.
This is a front 4 issue, not a Sheridan issue (well…he’s not helping…)
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
I am not one who says that the 3rd and 5 call cost them the game, but...
…Bradshaw was running horribly that drive, including one play where he practically broke his own ankles and had me questioning the health of his foot. To me that makes it a somewhat questionable call. But we lost this one on D, could not stop the big plays.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 14, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Unnacceptable play call
To take the ball out of the hands of your QB, who was having a very good game, is unforgivable there. I’d be irate if my team had made that call. There’s a reason the QB is the highest paid guy on the field. He gets the ball in those spots.
yeah
and if you’re going to run it, run it with jacobs!
That should have been 4 down territory. Our d wasn’t stopping anyone, and you guys marched right down on that play anyways (i think).
And I really hate michael vick right now, we made him look like mcnabb.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
I don't understand why they take Jake out so much.
Bradshaw wasn’t terrible and had a few nice runs, but Jake needs to be in there more than 50/50, which is just about what it was.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Give me a break
You are going off about one run call when they racked up more than 500 yards in offense. I didn’t like that play call either, but it did not cost them the game. Bad defense, an unfortunate fumble by Jacobs and a fabulous punt return by DeSean Jackson cost them the game. Not one 3rd-and-5 play call.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 14, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
But
we know the D is bad, there was really nothing that could have been done about it. And fumbles happen, and they got a lucky bounce and a TD. But that horrible play call is something that can be avoided – there was no way it should have been made, and it WAS a big play in the scheme of the game. I’m usually one to blame the players over the coaches, but that was inexcusable.
well, sure
Obviously a multitude of factors causes any loss. Those 45 points didn’t help. The point is that if you had to pick one moment in the game where despite everything else, the game was not just winnable but in our control, its when we’re down by 6, Eli is killing on the pass but the defense is crap, its 3rd and 5 – and you call that draw.
Ed...
sometimes, one call CAN influence a lot.
Eli was passing great at the time.
I would’ve been Ok if they failed on the pass.
That was a bad call.
I
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 1:02 AM EST up reply actions
I know
And I said I didn’t like the call, either. But, it’s hard to kill the guy when the Giants had 500+ yards on offense.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 14, 2009 7:09 AM EST up reply actions
I agree.
yet…the minutia of the game Ed.
One call, can impact a game in epic ways.
You gotta look at WHEN the call was made. Eli’s torching them, really, the guy could’ve complete 100% of his passes if guys would catch the damn ball/know where they are.
Jacobs is running all over them from the I/power I formation. Bradshaw was OK, but definitely, less of a sure thing to get those yards.
The score was 37-31. The Giants finally got a stop (or 2) in a row. You couldn’t expect them to keep doing that, and they didn’t.
I would’ve lived with a Eli miss, a Jake stop.
One play….
Yes, I ain’t blaming Gilbride for this game, not at all. But sometimes…500+ yards of offense, can be negated by one call that doesn’t allow you to keep pace.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
gotta agree
It’s pretty ridiculous to complain about the offense in this game. The absolutely pathetic defense carries the blame. You want to bash a coordinator? I suggest looking at Sheridan
by BigBlue4Life on Dec 14, 2009 8:24 AM EST up reply actions
The Problem Once Again,... Is Coaching
Look,… it all really boils down to this; This team is never really prepared mentally in big games and are definitely not coached very well on the ‘little things’ that win ball games of this magnitude. First of all, fumbles do happen in games, but a TRUE coaching staff is supposed to scream on their players after one happens about PROTECTING THE BALL!!!! After the BJ fumble three more occurred after that.( 2 by a Ballerina named Hixon, and the most critical one by Eli) Secondly, the Giants players’ heads were not in the game in critical times, like right after the Eagles were about to challenge a catch by Nicks and the players coming off/on the field were too slow for Eli to snap the ball before the play was reviewed.( They NEVER get that off) And last but not least, the coverege on Desean Jackson and the inexcusable drops and inability to make catches in bounds by our recievers was too much to overcome in a close game like this. The coaches should have glued one of our fastest players to DJ’s hip for the entire game, especially for a guy that torched us for 3 rec for 78 yards including a 54 yard bomb and this is something the guy is known for!!! Finally, the drops are a reoccuring thing that happens week in, and week out that has me wondering what in the hell are these guys really working on in practice all week!! Manningham has had the same problem with staying in bounds with catches all season and it still happens this late in the season,…. INEXCUSABLE!!! OFF with COUGHLIN and his whole STAFF’S head!!!
by PaulieKnucklez1 on Dec 14, 2009 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
you beat me to this one, are you even trying to win the game??
by jjamesgrant18 on Dec 14, 2009 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
The real sad thing
is it will be impossible to get a decent pick due to all the bottom feeder teams, so pushing for the play-offs will not really hurt the team. Well, it will hurt us as fans, because they will find new and exciting ways to lose though.
This one hurt
A couple of fluke plays made the difference in this loss. This was clearly the game of the week though. All is not lost yet guys but time is running out.
Happy Holidays!
GO NY GIANTS!!
big plays are not necessarily fluke plays
—kudos to Desean Jackson for just about everything he did on the field tonight
—kudos to the Eagles defender for scooping up Jacobs’s fumble and running it back, as well as Cole for doggedly pursing that play from the back side
—kudos to Hixon for taking advantage of piss poor tackling and making a few guys miss
—kudos to Hicks for breaking tackles and breaking away to the end zone
I don’t see much fluke-ish in any of this…
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 14, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
I basically agree
but the “scoop up” of the fumble was a bounce right into Brown’s midsection before anyone else even realized it was a fumble. Not that the Eagles couldn’t have scored conventionally there.
the fumble return was flukish
the ball bounced off one of the O-lineman’s feet right into Cole’s stomach. If that ball just hits the ground there’s no way it’s returned for a TD. Sure, the fumble itself wasn’t a fluke play and the Eagles probably would have scored anyway, but the TD return WAS a fluke.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
I don't have TiVo, but wasn't there a swarm of Eagles players around that ball?
Like the other poster above mentioned, even if they just cover it up, they would have had great field position against a D that was able to do little to slow down their offense.
The real pity in that play for me was that Jake was running really hard up right out of the gate tonight, and going down 14-0 quickly changed the complexion of the game.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 14, 2009 12:55 AM EST up reply actions
fluke plays
by fluke play i mean plays you don’t see in every game. Returning punts for TD’s are fluke plays in my opinion.
GO NY GIANTS!!
Giants D Blows
I’m pretty tired so I won’t go into to detail, not like most of you guys don’t know that already
The only bright side was our O figured out their D for the first time since Plax went out. Nicks had two bad drops but made up for it, I think they realize they have to respect him and Smitty so it helps the run game.
Usually I’m very negative but I can see the G-Men winning out (If Minny rests guys) and Dallas falling to 9-7 and the Giants playing Philly in the first round and we might pay them back then. Sounds wierd but I think they might have figured somethings out on O tonight.
Playoffs?
if Giants make the playoffs it appears they’ll either play Arizona or Eagles.. again.
arizona we can take I think
our offense won’t be shit poor like it was last game vs them again
Eagles…
let’s win some games before we think about it though.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
Still have a shot, 10 wins is usually in
Good news is that if we make it (BIG IF), regular season play doesn’t always mean too much. Colts won 9 in a row, 1st round exit. Cardinals were big time sucking before the postseason, and well, they get to the Superbowl.
"We're only going to score 17 points?"
That was without a doubt the craziest game in recent memory...
So many weird plays, so many weird calls, so much bad defense on both sides.
I still think you guys are playoff bound, if that’s any consolation. Because really, if you look at the standings, the Packers are in, and then the final spot (assuming the Eagles hold off the Cowboys for the division title) is between the Cowboys and the Giants. There really are no other contenders whatsoever at this point.
Now I keep posting this, and you all know the schedules, but if you look at the next 3 weeks and it’s…
Giants – @ Redskins, Carolina at home, and then the Vikings JV team.
Dallas – @ Saints, @ Redskins, Philly at home
Big difference there. Since the Giants hold the tiebreaker, not to mention the way Dallas is playing, I still think you’re in excellent shape for a playoff berth.
We got a QB.
Jacobs looks back. Bradshaw looked good too.
Special teams is atrocious…the field position is a joke.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
feast or famine with Bradshaw tonight
some 10+ yds mixed in with a bunch of stinkers
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 14, 2009 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
ummm what?!
bradshaw hasn’t looked good since he broke his first ankle
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 14, 2009 12:24 AM EST reply actions
Bradshaw played well today.
Dunno what you missed.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
he had a few good plays
but he also had a few where he looked real tentative. It’s weird how he would look perfectly healthy one series and then just awful the next
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
he did.
He also had a few where he got tackled from behind.
I thought he helped.
He hasn’t been the HR hitter they want tho, and is not the threat he should be in the pass game.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
offense looked a lot better with jacobs in the game
i will leave it at that
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 14, 2009 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
it did.
No doubt.
Jacobs….NEVER has been in there consistently in his career.
Where is our #3 back? Cuz we need one.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
by far
i was upset when jacobs was on the sideline. bradshaw was dancing too much…also gilbride should run bradshaw outside and brandon up the middle, adjust the plays to your rbs strengths. bradshaw is clearly hurt.
by In.Eli.I.Trust. on Dec 14, 2009 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Tom Coughlin has done a very poor job this year. He is never been a schemer, and I’ve made my peace with that, but I expect his teams to be disciplined and tough, and this year’s squad is neither. Watching this team repeatedly shoot themselves in the foot is considerably more painful than watching them get beat by a more talented team.
Giants
played with a lot of heart and passion today. They simply coughed up a fumble that hurt, and got burned at safety — which we know has been a problem all year.
That’s not on TC.
by Ed Valentine on Dec 14, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
Yea, they put up a good fight today. But in four of their other five loses they’ve completely folded at the first sign of trouble. And their is sloppiness abound on this team, and the onus for that falls on Coughlin.
I will say that this certainly hasn't been Coughlin's finest season
but I don’t think all or even most of the blame belongs on him. I think the biggest problem is that there’s just simply not enough speed on that defense, which goes to Jerry Reese, and also to Bill Sheridan for not finding a way to maximize what talent they do have.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Obviously their is plenty of blame to go around, but as is usually the case, I believe the head coach bears the brunt of it. Like I said, the most disheartening thing is the way this team has thrown in the towel in 3 or 4 of their 6 loses. And I’d never thought I’d see that from a Coughlin-led team.
I don’t mean to be disrespectful, but who exactly do you hold accountable for our struggles this season? You refuse to criticize TC, Gilbride, Sheridan, or any one else yet the same team that was 12 and 4 last year is now struggling to stay above .500. I understand that you are uncomfortable “blaming” any one person, but I think it’s obvious that a good many people have not done their job well this year.
I hear ya too
While you can’t blame the coaches for playing the game, I went off a week or so ago about the coaches evaluating their talent, or lack there of with us. It’s not the play calling specifically, but the plays that are called that aren’t to our advantage. It obviously is partially the players themselves, but more so, IMO, what the players are asked to do that doesn’t fit with what they are good at.
Way too many examples and y’all know em all. Biggest beef I have is with the D, knowing the injuries we have for, what, basically the ENTIRE SEASON, and not doing anything to improve week after week. All I hear is, “We need to play better.” SO DO IT ALREADY!!!!
This game is about adjusting constantly. If you’ve got something good going, odds are someone else will pick it up and you’ve gotta change. If nothing is going right, I’d think one would try to do something different, or else they won’t change around you, keep doing the same thing. Hmmm, that sounds awfully familiar….
"Uh-huh, uh-huh. Okay. Um, can you repeat the part of the stuff where you said all about the...things? Uh… the things?" - Homer Simpson
by GiantSunDevil on Dec 14, 2009 4:04 AM EST up reply actions
yep
none of that was on tc, my friend asked me if tom coughlin was the old man from the movie “up”. i said if that makes him strict and cranky but with huge heart then yes. he inspired the giants tonight. they were just exploited in the secondary as usual. hard to find mid season fixes if you don’t have the personel.
by In.Eli.I.Trust. on Dec 14, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions
It is on TC
He’s the HC. He’s accountable. Under TC our Red Zone offense has been near the bottom of the league. Under TC, our special teams are bad year in and year out. TC, hired BS. I looked up the stats. This is the worst Giants defense based on points allowed in 20+ years. This team is allowing more than 25 points per game. The next worse was 1992 at 23.25 point per game allowed. This D allows 2 more points a game.
I’ll say it again. TC is the HC. He’s accountable. Week in and week out this team is not prepared. On defense blown assignment after blown assignment. It’s not from lack of talent. Players simply don’t know what they’re doing on defense.
The New York Fighting Irish
great offense, D-III defense.
Maybe we could borrow the Redskins defense for the rest of the season. We’ll probably win the Super Bowl, and with our D they’ll lose the rest of their games and get a better draft pick
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Just had to pop in
To tell everyone that I REALLY HATE THE EAGLES. AND DESEAN AND DONOVON AND THAT PHAT ASS ANDY REID AND HIS FREAKIN’ BUSHEL OF NOSE HAIRS.
I hope we get another shot at them.
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
by Mr. Met on Dec 14, 2009 12:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions
+1
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Hi Def does have a downside.
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
by Mr. Met on Dec 14, 2009 12:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree...
I wanna play the Eagles TOMORROW.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe it's like Rope a Dope
let the Eagles run and run and run and run, and eventually they’ll get really tired. And then we’ve got ’em where we want ’em.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Why? Your pass defense wont be any better tomorrow then it was tonight. BTW: Great offensive game tonight you guys kept coming on O, the D is another story, but so was ours.
by West-Coast21 on Dec 14, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
it won't.
But maybe…there’s no punt return TD. OR no Jacobs fumble.
AND maybe guys like Boss and Nicks wanna catch the ball when its there?
Also, maybe Eli wants to slide correctly?
No…the D BLOWS…but could’ve been over come if they didn’t shoot themselves in the foot repeatedly elsewhere.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Hey it was a GREAT game. You guys came out on the wrong end of it, but i still think you’ll get in the Playoffs, we all know what Dallas does in December. But i was shocked on how you guys kept up with our O throughout the night, Eli stepped up under pressure, i was waiting for him to choke but it didnt happen. Great game guys.
by West-Coast21 on Dec 14, 2009 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
thanks
it was a great game, and its frustrating when so many things bounced your way.
But hey, that’s football. I hope your right about us making the playoffs
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
Free I usually
agree with you, but we got over 500 yards and 38 points, this loss is on the defense despite the mistakes on offense and special teams.(I would fire the special teams coach, he sucks)
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Dec 14, 2009 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
I agree.
the D had to step up.
They got marched on repeatedly..and no doubt, even if the Giants coverted on the miscue’s…the Eagles may have score 70.
Still…the way this team is, the O has to score at the opps they have.
They just drop the ball to many times.
Its a shame, and its really been the story of Eli’s career. These guys gotta catch the ball.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
Good point
about Eli being let down by the receivers…again.
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Dec 14, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions
Diehl played a great game
kept trent cole under control, even with some double teams and the like that was a great effort from him
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 14, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions
Offensive line played just fine
The only problem on offense, really, was dropped balls and a certain WR not knowing where he’s supposed to be/running a better route ( and a simple fake an NFL WR should make too).
O-Line played great.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions
Running helps
Makes a big difference when we can run the ball, even a little. See what that does for the mentality of the entire offense? Gets that rhythm going that we’ve been used to seeing for a few years now.
"Uh-huh, uh-huh. Okay. Um, can you repeat the part of the stuff where you said all about the...things? Uh… the things?" - Homer Simpson
by GiantSunDevil on Dec 14, 2009 4:08 AM EST up reply actions
not good
Couldn’t stop them at all in the first drive and before we knew it down 14-0. We shoot ourselves in the foot and cant establish our run game to the point where we want to. I WOULD HAVE THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE LEARNED SOMETHING FROM THE FIRST GAME. Desean Jackson with 2 more TD’s of 50+ yards.
Defense
was too plain jane, we didnt do anything to confuse them, knowing our secondary sucks, pressure was key and Sheridan didnt try to do anything to generate any, pathetic, I am sick, fire him now, do not wait, the season is over anyway if he stays.
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Dec 14, 2009 12:42 AM EST reply actions
i did notice that the LBs and DBs were running up to the line then backing off, sometimes blitzing sometimes not.. i like to see that.. usually the D has been setting up in thier spots and standing there til the ball is snapped… its good to see Sheridan FINALLY try to confuse the O-line
by Gmen Fan in Gmen Land on Dec 14, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions
Jackson or Manning?
Really hard to say who was the better player tonight. I give it to Jackson only because Manning had the costly fumble in the 1st half that really killed the Giants’ momentum and cost them at least 3 pts.
Still, Manning carved up this defense and I only counted 2 bad balls by him all night tonight. At least 5 drops including 2 by Nicks.
Fumble was in the second half
Philly went three and out and then there was the long TD to Hixon, so hard to say it killed us.
Fumble was in the second half
Philly went three and out and then there was the long TD to Hixon, so hard to say it killed us.
because we stopped them and scored on an ensuing big play doesn't mean that it didn't matter...
…we ran out of time at the end, and perhaps we would have scored 3 mins. or so earlier if Eli doesn’t cough that one up. It was also a bit a momentum swing because we came back from halftime and showed some resilience only to give up the ball via an unforced error.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 14, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
hard to not give a BPG
to the winner, and Desean’s team won.
Eli was incredible….but his line could’ve looked a lot better.
Not a single bad ball…maybe one.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions
Well it was an excitig game to say the least.
As much as I want us to make the Playoffs. Our team blew its chance unless by some miracle we win a dec. game lol, you guys look like a lock for the playoffs. I really thought the game changed in the second half and you all would pull it out.
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Here's the sad thing...
…this team is going to end up making the playoffs, and they’ll go out to Arizona for the Wild Card game.
Kurt Warner will throw for 500 yards and 6 TDs.
Sheridan needs to go, he’s a disaster.
by New York Sports Jerk on Dec 14, 2009 12:47 AM EST reply actions
they could have beaten the Cards
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Fitzgerald and Boldin are good.
They are not Desean Jackson.
They have no TE either.
Giants will beat the Cardinals if they play them.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
Pass rush
will be required to beat them, I see no evidence they can get to Warner.
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Dec 14, 2009 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
+1
and Warner is as savvy as anyone out there in terms of getting rid of the ball quickly to avoid the pass rush
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 14, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
noticeable warner flaw
if hit early he throws sidearm and flat in the face of the pass rush so that its easily tipped or knocked down……not that we can get any kind of push
by In.Eli.I.Trust. on Dec 14, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Fitz is better than DeSean
though now as fast, so maybe our safeties can match up with him a little better. But remember how wide open he was last time we played and he dropped a sure TD pass?
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
he is better...
I just think the Giants can cover him better at least.
I do think they’ll get to Warner.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Fitz
Larry is WAY better than desean, we just have a horrible secondary. Its not like jackson runs nice routes, he just roams the vacant lots left by our safeties biting on play action.
by In.Eli.I.Trust. on Dec 14, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
Are You NutTTT's
Fitz is really good. But Desean is almost unstoppable, like Dion Sanders. You can double team Fitz.
I agree.
Fitzgerald may be the best WR in the game…yet, I just think that the Giants have a chance of covering him.
Jackson matches up better and just seams less coverable.
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How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
fitz is a beast of a receiver.
Right now you worry about him more than jackson. Boldin is a very nice 2 WR.
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boldin
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by In.Eli.I.Trust. on Dec 14, 2009 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
Fitz and Boldin
Who do we have that can cover either one of them? Warner is great at reading the blitzes and getting the ball out of there, and since none of our blitzes ever get to the QB anyway, he’ll have lots of man coverage.
Oh, and Steve Breaston will torch whatever scrub we have in there at nickel.
Did you see that they did to the Vikings defense last week? That’s a defense that is actually decent, even without Winfield. It would be a bloodbath out there.
by New York Sports Jerk on Dec 14, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
they kept them in check the last game.
They didn’t go crazy against these guys.
I’m merely saying that DJAX is a different breed of WR.
Fitz and Boldin are more YACers…plus I think they can confuse Warner.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
Lowered expectations
Sadly, if we do make the playoffs, which in fairness alone, we shouldn’t, and still may not, but if we do, everyone knows we won’t do anything. I can live with that actually. Sounds weird, but that’s okay with me, considering.
I say we won’t do anything with such belief because what makes anyone think we can change our D around in 3 weeks to compete with NO, Min, and even Philly again? We’ve had almost all season to change things up/figure something out and I put that on Sheridan for not being able to do so. Yes, the players have been f’n things up, being out of place, but who’s responsibility is it to make sure they know where they’re supposed to be and what is required of them?
Damn, that’s good ish…I’m giving myself a +1 for that!
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by GiantSunDevil on Dec 14, 2009 4:15 AM EST up reply actions
Game changers
That was about as precise as Eli can get. They got big plays, which can be a rarity, but they made even bigger mistakes. I will say that I don’t think Jacobs would have run that angry if he hadn’t fumbled, but 3rd and 5 was just dumb. Clock management has been an issue for them all season, they were inside the eagles 40 with 4 and a half to play and they didn’t score until after the 2 minute warning. I could go on forever…..heartbreaking.
by In.Eli.I.Trust. on Dec 14, 2009 12:48 AM EST reply actions
precise while at home in December on a sloppy field...
…worth considering.
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 14, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions
At the end
of the 1st half I wouldnt have scored so quickly, we do it all the time this year, we leave too much time and we get scored on before the half, again.
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Dec 14, 2009 12:51 AM EST reply actions
Didn't we call a TO as well?
What, like 1:30 left when we scored? That TO really baffled me, cause like you said, we know they were going to go right back down and score again. Milk it a little more.
+1
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by GiantSunDevil on Dec 14, 2009 4:17 AM EST up reply actions
it was an incomplete pass
so the clock would have stopped anyways…
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
bottom line with our D
no pass rush= quaterback has ample time to throw against our shitty secondary. Also our linebackers and safeties cant cover a TE.
yep
boley’s best coverage on celek was when his back was turned the entire time. our FA signings are disappointing to say the least.
by In.Eli.I.Trust. on Dec 14, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
also...
our 3 headed DE monster…also disappointing.
Osi had a play. Kiwi was there on the run a few times.
Tuck?
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 1:01 AM EST up reply actions
phillips
when kenny went down i knew it would hurt, but i’m wondering if we were yet to be exploited or if phillips is the pro bowler i think he is
by In.Eli.I.Trust. on Dec 14, 2009 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
Deep
That’s something right there. Actually just went to his site to see if anything is up to date, supposedly he’s recently checked with the doc and he’s right on schedule.
I kinda let out a sad sigh looking at KP’s pics, making plays. What could have been…
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by GiantSunDevil on Dec 14, 2009 4:23 AM EST up reply actions
tuck had a good tackle
but…
its been disappointing
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
Are we all screaming right now he didn't draft much D?
"It ain't over till its over"---
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions
All I can say is
GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!! Ok I feel better…NOT!
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Dec 14, 2009 12:55 AM EST reply actions
2 minute drill
Why do they waste so much time while in supposed “no huddle” mode? Eli is addicted to running down the play clock and yelling “omaha” before the hut that indicates the snap. If I can notice that so can Trent Cole.
by In.Eli.I.Trust. on Dec 14, 2009 12:56 AM EST reply actions
Good game. Worth the lack of sleep.
Sad they lost. But, well… year old flaws bit us in the ass. Good night.
Unbeleivable
I can’t remember (maybe I just don’t want to) a Giants defensive unit look so inept. They are supposed to have more Talent than last years squad. All night the defense was out of position. On almost every snap the looked like the had no clue as to where they were supposed to be and who was assigned to cover who. I thought the Offensive showed a lot of toughness overcoming the two first early TD’s and battled toe to toe and had the opportunity to pull one out. Problem is we have the WORST off and deff coodinators in the league.
Gilbride's definitely not the worst
he’s also definitely not the best. I think he’s somewhere in the 10-20 range. Sheridan, on the other hand, might be among the worst.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
I agree...
for as much as I never liked Gilbride, its games like this where you gotta realize…even 10-20 is too far off.
Gotta remember…his ‘only’ bad call IMO is the 3rd and 5 draw,
…that play NEVER HAPPENS!!! if Kevin Boss makes a catch.
CATCH THE DAMN BALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
yea, but Gilbride's biggest problem, IMO, is his inability to adapt
when the offense is working like it was today, that’s not really a big problem and they can score a lot. But when he faces some adversity, he’s usually not all that good.
That sorta goes along with what Mount said below, that he seems tone-deaf to what’s happening. The 3rd and 5 call is just one example of that.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Man, that game was nuts!
Good game from the Giants. We always have some form of a crazy game for some reason…
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
I can't believe I said this one was gonna be
devoid of big plays and all FG’s.
Damn…..
Of course, you’d be impish right now if the Eagles lost.
…Said it somehwere…dunno where…but I hope the Giants and Eagles play again. Really do, and not next fall either.
"It ain't over till its over"---
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
Of course, you’d be impish right now if the Eagles lost.
Haha, nice one.
Oh, I know. I understand why you guys are pissed off about the game – both defenses played as shitty as possible. WAY too many missed tackles and blown coverages in the game.
And, apparently, no one on this blog likes Gilbride.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
NO ONE does...
Its just….the game plan of the offense, the quick passes, just…everything, was there like it was last night…its just, why the hell did it take till 12/13/2009 for him to figure this out?
Gilbride’s PLAYS are great, and when they execute them, the Giants offense can be unstoppable.
Many times…its WHEN he calls certain plays.
When Eli’s on an off game, they go to him too much. When he’s on like today, they take the ball out his hands in key spots.
This one is not Gilbride…but when Jacobs is going good, he’s out of the game.
Its just..we see the greatness, and while its unfair to expect it all the time, its just….the hell to they set themselves up to fail at certain points (i.e. Bradshaw in on short yardage situ’s)?
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
crying myself to sleep
Gotta go to bed, I hope I’m not the only one crying myself to sleep tonight…
by In.Eli.I.Trust. on Dec 14, 2009 1:27 AM EST reply actions
I sat in the cold to watch this atrocity
This is the last time I’ll ever go to Giants Stadium, and needless to say, I’m unhappy. I’m trying to find a positive in this, and here’s all I’ve got: the last game I ever saw and Yankee Stadium was miserable (1 hour rain delay, Mariano Rivera came in to a tie game and gave up a run in the 9th on a wild pitch, the Yankees loaded the bases in the bottom of the 9th and Giambi flew out). And the Yankees won the WS this year. So maybe the Giants will win the Super Bowl next year. It’s something shoot for, right?
by long time listener on Dec 14, 2009 1:33 AM EST reply actions
good game
one of the greatest games ive seen in awhile noth defenses played bad mucho respect to the giants with as much as i hate you guys at least giant fans are respectful unlike the majority of cowboy fans i meet hope you guys make the playoffs gotta rep for the east
-1
Not for being and Eagle fan, but for the longest sentence without punctuation. That must be a “young” thing, and I’m 27. That hurts my brain, kinda like our defense.
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by GiantSunDevil on Dec 14, 2009 4:29 AM EST up reply actions
another thing
Now that any hope of actually reaching the Super Bowl this year is all but dead, I’m sort of rooting for both New Orleans and Indy to go into the Super Bowl undefeated. I don’t think either defense can really stop the other team, so that would be some shootout.
by long time listener on Dec 14, 2009 2:19 AM EST reply actions
I wonder what the 72 Dolphins would do?
Would they get a box for the game and just get hammered, pissed that they would have to let go of a tradition that stopped being cute about 30 years ago?
Beatty
At least he played decent for coming in without any preparation
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 14, 2009 3:26 AM EST reply actions
Some has to give.
In all my 50 years of watching the Giants, I never saw them give up so many points in so many games. Something has to give, This is not Giant football.
Bill Sheridan has to give up his job
he has embarrassed this team and clearly does not deserve the title of defensive coordinator. He shouldn’t even have to make Coughlin / Reese fire him, he should do it himself.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 14, 2009 4:29 AM EST up reply actions
ajay = scared
Everything I stated is true and offered the blue fans a partnership. You probably play fantasy football. I respect the Giants, but we have their number on this cycle!
START FIXING
FIRST THING TO DO WHEN THIS TEAM DOESN;T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS IS REPLACE GILBRIDE AND SHERIDAN
Sheridan...
Yes.
Gilbride…..no, he stays.
"It ain't over till its over"---
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Question
Q: “Is it possible for something to both suck AND blow at the same time”
A: Yes, the Giants Defense and Special Teams
Really, I have no idea why they do not fire Sheridan today.
Also, for the people whining about playcalling (yeah, and I didn’t like alot of it either in critical spots) , Eli and the offense – do you REALLY think thats where the problem lies with this team? This game, and most of the others, was lost by a defense that has to be the worst in the league…. Period, end of story.
I don’t know how Sheridan has managed to take a core group that won the superbowl, added draft picks to it, and come up with this pile of crap. Thats just lousy cooking.
I'm certainly not gonna complain about the 500 yards...
its just, certain points…why are we running?
I just don’t understand how they take the ball out of Eli’s hands sometimes.
When the guy is Citizen Echo Drive Unstoppable, like he sure as hell was yesterday…why do we run on third and 4/5?
I’m not pissed at the yards, I’m pissed at one call. Did it cost the game? I dunno, but it gave them the ball back. I just don’t understand how you keep the ball out of Eli Manning’s hands.
I sure as hell know his older brother would not stand for that crap. Younger brother was about 30x better than older brother yesterday…and I know they didn’t run the ball on a 3rd and 5 in Indy.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 14, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Coaching
I think Tom Coughlin has done probably his best job coaching this year. When Kenny Phillips went down I knew we were in trouble. Then players who had played well in the past did not perform or were hurt and others had to play through injuries. The Eagles offense is just hard to stop and the Giants offense produced enough to win most games.
Most commentators I read described this as a “red shirt” draft for the Giants and they have brought the rookies along and continue to work with Barden and others. No one realized how critical the injuries to Brown and Alford were until Bradshaw had to play hurt, Ware was out for weeks and Jacobs had an uncharacteristic year and the new D linemen were either unavailable or played poorly.
The last few games with the new players in there the team has played with passion and there is a future for this team. With Beatty replacing KM, Sintim and Boley on the outside and either Goff or a new linebacker in the middle, with Alford and Cofield at D line and , hopefully, an effective and healthy Canty for depth, Kiwanuka and a healthy Tuck at end and Phillips back at safety they will be a different team. There is hope.
Defense
Except for the Tampa,Oakland and Denver games,this defense have not shown up for many games. They let the Charges drove down the field and took that game and almost let the Cowboys and Falcons did they same. In the past, if the Giants did not have anything,we always had a strong defense.
You don't see a whole lot of yelling
On the poart of Coughlin. That may be his silent acknowledgement that this team just isn’t very good right now. He may be ready to retire. After all, what does he have left to prove? Bottom line is that turnovers and the lack of a pass rush did us in. Also, we need to come to grips with the fact that these Eagles are not the Eagles we’ve known in the past. The knock on their offense has always been hteir b-league receivers. Many of their fans probably wondered what McNabb could do if they had receivers. That nightmare has come to life for us G-men fans! In the past, our pass rush did most of the heavy lifting for our defense. That hasn’t been the case for the last 2 years folks! Both lines need to be revamped. For the D-Line, we need a stud tackle for the interior (revamped D-ends aren’t going to cut it going up the middle). For O-line, left tackle and center. Diehl, makes an excellent guard, but a so-so tackle. As far as linebackers, let’s see how Goff works out through the end of the season. Boley if definitely a keeper.
Coughlin was yelling his ass off...
you want his head to explode to confirm that he’s yelling?
He was going nuts out there…like 2006 (OH GOD!! 2006!!!) Coughlin.
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How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
NO DEFENSE
IMPACT OF INJURIES TO ALFORD AND PIERCE ARE WELL DOCUMENTED, AS WELL
AS AARON ROSS LOSING MOST OF THE SEASON. OSI HAS HAD SUB PAR YEAR AND MAY NOT BE ALL BACK FROM LAST YEARS SURGERY. LOSS OF SAFETY TO INJURY
IN GAME 2 HURT BIG TIME. IS ROCKY BEDARD STILL ON ROSTER? WILKERSON IS
A BUST, NEVER GETS OUT OF THE TRAINING ROOM OR OFF THE BENCH. EAGLES
PROVED THAT SPEED KILLS. TUCK IS NOT 100%. YOUR NOT GOING TO SACK THE QB 3-4 TIMES PER GAME ON A CONSISTENT BASIS, 1-3 WOULD BE NICE, INCLUDING PRESSURES. GOOD TEAMS AND MATURE QBS CAN GAME PLAN THE GIANTS DEFENSIVE MINDSET AND TENDENCIES. QUICK DROP BACKS AND RELEASES NEGATE THE GIANTS PRESSURE, THAT HAS CONSISTENTLY BEEN A DAY LATE AND A DOLLAR SHORT. NO PUSH UP THE MIDDLE, SO THE QB CAN STEP UP AND THROW . AT LEAST ELI IS NOW THE FINISHED PRODUCT, THAT WE HOPED HE BECOME, AND THE RECEIVERS WILL ONLY GET BETTER WITH EXPERIENCE. MANNINGHAMS ROUTE RUNNING WILL GET BETTER, HE IS ESSENTIALLY A ROOKIE,
AS IS NICKS. HICKSON IS NOT AN EVERYDOWN RECEIVER, BUT CAN STRETCH THE
FIELD. MOSS IS A BUST. THE RUNNING GAME MISSES WARD MORE THAN ANY ONE
CARES TO MENTION. WITH ALL OF THE BIG COACHES ON THE SIDELINES WAITING
TO PICK THEIR HEAD COACHING SPOTS, I LIKE THE RUMOR, THAT IF JOHN FOX
GETS CANNED IN CAROLINA, HE COMES BACK TO THE GIANTS AS DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR, UNDER THE PROVISO THAT HE WOULD ASSUME COUGHLINS JOB
UPON COUGHLINS RETIREMENT WITHIN THE NEXT 1-3 YEARS. WHEN FOX LEFT, THE DEFENSE SUFFERED AS THEY ARE SUFFERING NOW WITH SPAGNOLA.GONE SHERIDAN MAY BE A COMPETANT COACH, BUT THERE ARE FACTORS WORKING AGAINST HIM. I REMEMBER THE PLAY CALLING BEING TAKEN AWAY FROM SEAN PAYTON,WHO THE CURRENT OFFENSIVE GENIUS IN THE LEAGUE. SUPERBOWL TEAMS ARE NOT THE GENERAL EXPECTATION OF GIANT FANS, THE PLAYOFFS ARE.
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by FreeBradshaw on Dec 15, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions
CATCH THE BALL
Can’t win games dropping the ball Manningham. I like the Giants and am for them. But their last 3-4 performance. They will lose even if they do get lucky enough to make the playoff.
Sad, real sad.
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