About those losses to the Eagles
I hate to bring it up, and I know you don't need to be reminded that our New York Giants have lost to the Philadelphia Eagles three straight times.
Once last season in the regular season. Once in the opening round of the playoffs and once this season. What has gone wrong? What does it mean? And, most importantly, what can the Giants do about it?
Here is how Giants.com summarized last season's 20-14 regular-season loss to the Eagles.
The Giants team that faced Philadelphia didn’t look like the Giants of 2008. The NFL’s highest-scoring team couldn’t score, getting its only offensive touchdown with 15 seconds remaining. The league’s leading rushing team ran for only 88 yards, about 72 less than their per-game average. The Giants were second in the NFL in average time of possession, but owned the ball for just 25:06. And the team that hadn’t allowed a 100-yard rusher in 14 games saw an opposing back, Westbrook, run for 131 yards. The Giants had season-low totals of 211 yards and 14 first downs (they also had 14 at Pittsburgh). They converted only three of 11 third down opportunities and went zero-for-three on fourth down. Manning completed less than half of his passes (13 of 27, 48.1 percent) for the first time this year, though at least three of his throws were dropped.
To sum it up, the Giants didn't play like the Giants.
From that same summary, here is how Giants.com captures the playoff loss.
The Giants picked a bad day to have a bad day and saw their season end with a 23-11 loss to the Eagles in a divisional playoff game in Giants Stadium.The Giants outgained Philly, 307-276, including 138-59 on the ground, but failed to score a touchdown, despite advancing as far as Philadelphia’s 17-yard line three times – and had a first down on the 11 on their initial possession – but settled for field goals each time. The Giants converted only three of 13 third down opportunities. Their last five possessions ended, in order, with a missed field goal, twice on downs, an interception and a fumble.
This season's 40-17 loss to the Eagles in the 8th game of the season? If you'll recall, here is how bad it it was.
Let me start with an admission. This is probably the first 'Kudos & Wet Willies' in Big Blue View history that is being written without my having watched the entire game either live or via the DVR. When LeSean McCoy went 66 yards for a score to make it 40-17 I packed it in. I had seen all I could stomach, and all I needed to see to write this edition of 'K&WW.' I'm not going back and watching any of it again, either.
How bad was it? I actually spent the fourth quarter out in my back yard cleaning up leaves. That was more fun than watching that embarrassment.
After the game Tom Coughlin sounded pretty much the way I felt. He didn't want to watch the carnage, either.
"We didn't tackle well, our secondary didn't tackle well," said Coughlin. "We had created holes in the line of scrimmage, we didn't cover kicks well; we again threw interceptions...that's not the kind of football we teach. We definitely put ourselves in this funk -- whatever you want to call it."
What is it about the Eagles that seems to bring out the worst in the Giants? I certainly don't know. I do know, however, that it has been a long time since the Giants looked like themselves when Andy Reid's Eagles were on the other side of the line of scrimmage.
Your thoughts?
(E-mail Ed at bigblueview@gmail.com)
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Confusion,
I think the Eagles are the best team in football had disguising their blitzes and Eli just can’t get a grasp on where the pressure is coming from.
Now for KG, he needs to do a better job of calling quick hitters on passing downs and try to establish the run and stick to it, this being said, if the defense gives up few quick scores we are in serious trouble, it’s time to step up Gmen, the Eagles have owned you of late and the time is now to take back whats yours, and that is being the physically and mentally tougher team.
“There is no tomorrow Gmen, there is no tomorrow!”
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Dec 10, 2009 3:19 PM EST reply actions
2007 Offensive Scheme?
Where did that 2007 offensive scheme go? The Giants faced quick defenses on there way through their superbowl run; Tampa, Green Bay, Dallas, and New England. They ran all types of quick slants, used pulling lineman in the runnig game, and they allowed Eli to run more 2 minute, no huddle offenses. Why not use this? If use more no huddle situations, the Eagles have no chance. Eli is smart enough to figure out what the Eagles are trying to do, as long as he’s calling the shots.
doesn't matter vs philly....
as another reader noted, philly knows us too well. that “2007 offensive scheme” managed to score 2 touchdowns (total) in 2 games against the eagles in ’07.
they know us like their back of their hand....
and that’s why i think the infusion of new blood: Rouse, Goff, Sintim, Boley….may play to our advantage.
I think their blitz schemes give us fits and their secondary is very very intelligent. No communication issues w/ them. When they’re blitzing, the corners jump routes…and when they’re not they’re often dropping would be blitzers into coverage….thus disguising their defense very well.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Don't forget the wideouts
When the Giants faced Philly in the playoffs last year, the loss of Plax was still greatly felt. Even in the earlier game this season, the Giants had not really clicked with the WR’s. Now though, the eagles will be looking at a dangerous and potentially explosive WR corps. If the Giants use the short passing game, slants and such at times, their WR’s could be a very effective weapon.
We need to get to McNabb
I think we need to beat on McNabb…sacks….knock downs .. pressure..hurries… thats when we beat philly…Osi needs another great game (like he once did..i think it was 6 or 8 sack game)…maybe alil of big new man Goff dropping him from the middle… and thats when McNabb makes some of the worst plays/throws of most starting QBs….plus he doesn’t have those fresh legs any more……so i think this weeks motto should be ..’"beat Him "
by freakynjbifemandhubby on Dec 10, 2009 3:58 PM EST reply actions
plus
alil more of those drop off passes to JB/AB when the blitz come
by freakynjbifemandhubby on Dec 10, 2009 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
Eli
We might need afew double pumps with the aggessive D of Philly…..maybe a trick play or two
by freakynjbifemandhubby on Dec 10, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
Totally agree McNabb must be hit and hit over and over
When ever we beat the eagles it’s becasue we beat up McNabb. The last three games how many sacks do we have? If you give McNabb time he will kill you period. I have seen to many so so teams beat the eagles to believe they are that much better than us.
KG better have a few suprises up his sleeve, their linebackers are all hurt and what is left is weak. their D line is fast but small we need to pound them and wear them out.
BS good job last week but you better have a game plan to get to the QB or we are going to get our butts beat.
I am so sick of loosing to these guys and than they go out and loose to teams we kill.
by Late for Dinner on Dec 10, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions
Bring. The. House.
I’m resigned to us getting beat on a deep ball or two, and there’s going to be some ugly shite happening in the middle of the field. So if that’s gonna happen anyway, why not bring massive pressure, all damn day? Kiwi, Tuck, Osi, the Dave Tollefsen Experience – even the occasional corner blitz – but bring pressure, and a lot of it. Chris Canty, this would be a fine day to earn a couple of those dollars…
I left my swagger in my other pants.
The Giants have been blitzing on damn near every down....
this is why the Cowboys tore them to shreds over the middle of the field.
They need to blitz less and/or disguise it better.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 10, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
We're not blitzing right
If your Ends have contain and your Tackles are veering, then you gotta shoot the A gap. Also, if the entire D line is crashing one way, the LBs have to have to go the other. To many times it looks like they’re getting out of position and leaving holes to drive trucks through.
Still, our front 4 needs a better push than they’ve gotten, and that will change everything.
Yah
our blitzes have been horrible.
Too obvious, too many blitzers, and they don’t get to the quarterback fast enough. Not that I have an answer, but to me, it looks like we could do a better job disguising the blitz, or maybe pretend to blitz and not blitz like they do to eli.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
Is it safe to say...
the Giants are due in this?
I mean…the thing that’s more rare than a 3 game streak in these series…is a 4 game streak.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
This is the only thing that scares me.
I think the Eagles are a better team on paper. But the Giants were the better team on paper at this time last year (and in the playoffs) and we know how that turned out. It’s hard enough to beat a team three times in a row, let alone four. The Giants are the last team I want the Eagles to face this weekend. I think it’s going to be tough to beat a hungry, desperate Giants team this weekend. It’ll be a typical, close/hard-fought NFC East game.
I have faith that the Eagles win, just like any Eagles fan would and just like you have faith the Giants will win, but I’m not going to try to predict or guarantee anything. It’s going to come down to turnovers and big plays (I know you could say that about every NFL game, but it’s true.)
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
I actually think I said the same on the Eagles blog....
I think it was in response to the whole 3rd down thing that the Eagles have a problem with…so its gonna come down to who sucks less on defense on 3rd down.
Throw out the records, throw out the stats…they’re meaningless as soon as that football’s kicked off.
Its gonna come down to mistakes and making big plays and who executes on 3rd down (and the Madden quote…who scores more points…).
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 10, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
No but seriously… it’s true. Forget the records, forget “who’s better on paper.” That doesn’t matter. It’s which team executes, which defense can prevent the big plays and get off the field on third downs and which offense can win the time of possession and not turn the ball over.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
oh..
and who can score in the red zone. That’s going to be the biggest thing.
Unfortunately, the Eagle’s aren’t great at this. But fortunately, the Giants Red Zone D isn’t too good either. (ranked 25th I believe?)
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
If its 25th...
that’s higher than I thought.
The Giants aren’t too good on O in the RZ either.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 10, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions
Well no worries, I’d be surprised if the Eagles weren’t last in RZ TD %.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
its gonna be like I say....
“Two retards trying to hump a doorknob”…in the RZ.
aka, gonna come down to FG? As the weather’s supposed to be ass too!??
…looks like I better go get a bottle of Capt. before Sunday.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 10, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
A big problem is Eli turning the ball over in our own half of the field
In both the playoff loss and the game earlier this year…..Eli had a bad pick that really put our defense in a bad spot and allowed the eagles to score easy points. 14 points last game and a touchdown in the playoffs. He just cannot do that in these defensive struggles. If he didn’t turn it over those games they would’ve turned out much differently.
Especially in the playoff loss if he didn’t do that and Carney had kicked his damn field goals we would’ve won that game….plain and simple.
About this game we have to play like we did against Dallas – do not allow any big plays and just let them have the underneath stuff – Jackson is not that great of a route runner and if he is constantly double teamed down the field he will be ineffective. He won’t get a jump ball down the field like Moss. Lets make Celek beat us, if Witten and Romo couldn’t do it and they are probably the best TE-QB combo then what chance do Celek and McNabb have? Don’t allow those big runs.
So short version = No big plays , no turnovers in our half = Giants on their way to the playoffs.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Dec 10, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
absolutely agree, re: big plays
keys to game, in my mind:
1) limit the Eagles’ big plays (added pressure on the safeties to keep everything in front of them and not allow the home run)
2) Giants’ must be efficient in the red zone – a bunch of 3s just will not cut it.
There are a lot of other things that are also important, like winning the turnover battle and getting a good pass rush, stepping up and making big plays, but those aspects are keys to winning week in and week out. The ones I mentioned, to my mind, are of added significance this week considering our opponent and his strengths…
by Step up and make big plays on Dec 11, 2009 6:41 AM EST up reply actions
The Giants need to run more
quick outs, 3 steps drops, and slant pays. Manningham when he executes correctly is great at these plays and can give the eagles fits on RAC yardage, not to mention Nicks coming into his own and will also be heard from this game, unlike the last one. Ultimately though, it will be up to the defense. If they can at least slow philly down, hold them to say 21 points, the Giants will win this game.
Like there colors
the Eagles are our kryptonite. they’re strongest where we’re weakest. Eli hates pressure, and they are king in the land of pressure. asante samuel is nmandi lite, so that takes half the field away. they’re adept at the long ball; up until recently we had bad bad cc brown attempting to stop that.
i’m confident, and nervous at the same time. we are healthier than them this time. i was not impressed with that ATL win. it looked nasty; but they let the falcons hang around a long time before they put that foot on that throat. had ATL had matty ice and the burner, we might be singing a different song about the bird brains this week. As he finally showed last week, Jacobs is deceivingly fast. he ran a 4.45 lets not forget. so it’s not like he can’t run the sweeps, and the plays outside. utilize him to his fullest! go to alot of 3 wide sets and use all 3 of our gazelles, someone has to get open. run big boy out of that same set, make it hard for them to key in on run or pass. get boss involved in that pass game, the birds don’t cover TE’s well.
we can do it.
Not impressed?
Were you more impressed by the Giants overtime win over the Falcons?
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
They had Matt Ryan.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 10, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
Ok… and we didn’t have desean jackson and brian westbrook.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
Chris Redman was selling insurance last year. He
Jeremy Maclin, Brent Celek, Lesean McCoy…perfectly good replacement.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 10, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
aka....
this isn’t apples and oranges.
Its apples and elephant dung.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 10, 2009 5:50 PM EST up reply actions
Injuries happen. I understand the Falcons were slightly more banged up than the Eagles last week, but it’s not like one was missing half the team and the other was completely healthy. There were injuries on both sides, but yet the Eagles still completely dominated the Falcons in all three phases… regardless of whether they had an insurance salesman as their QB or not.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
c'mon man...
this isn’t the same thing. Redman isn’t even Kevin Kolb coming off the bench.
He isn’t even David Carr coming off the bench.
The only reason why the Falcons were in teh game against the Giants, was Matt Ryan.
They have no pass rush, no run stoppers, a decent running game and Roddy White and Tony G are very good…but those 2 aren’t good with no Matty Ice.
I agree with you, the Eagles beating the crap out of another team is nothing to sneeze at.
…but they resembled they are no better than Tampa Bay without Ryan.
Your gonna tell me I should be impressed with you guys beating Tampa?
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 10, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Hell no, you shouldn't
but with or without Matt Ryan, Atlanta is better than Tampa.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
Get em FreeB!
well it looks like i don’t have to rebutt, FBS has taken all the words out of my mouth. i’m not knocking your birds smit, they are my number one public enemy. but the first half of that game your team was sputtering – and chris redman and jerious norwood was not the batman and robin to take out you jokers…
to be honest...
that’s debatable, at least ATL without Matt Ryan.
Think about it…no pass rush, no pass coverage, no run stoppers, overall average defense…..One good WR, Very good TE, above average O-Line….also no Turner, they are equal to Tampa.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 10, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
It’s opinion at this point, who’s better between Tampa and Atlanta w/ Ryan or w/out Ryan.
But for a defense to pitch a shutout against any NFL team is fairly impressive. (I know it wasn’t a shutout. They allowed a touchdown on the last play of the game with Philly’s 2nd and 3rd stringers in.) That’s my only point.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
I agree...
but I am saying that ATL is much better than Tampa when ATL has Matt Ryan.
Without him…they have a QB who is incapable of doing anything.
We both faced them without Turner…and without Turner, they are Tampa.
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 10, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Forget Atlanta,
I have one word for you….OAKLAND!
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Dec 10, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
That's the one word you have?
How about… Eagles – 40, Giants 17.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
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"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 10, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Should I play the superbowl card?
Nah, its not right considering you won 3 straight against us.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
hahaha
I considered the Super Bowl card… after I a few beers, I’ll usually resort to the “Andy Reid is a fat f***” / “Andy Reid’s playbook is a menu” card.
Haha Andy Reid is pretty damn fat.
And I respect not pulling the Super Bowl card. Cowboys fans don’t hesitate to pull the card, even though they haven’t won a single playoff game in over 14 years.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
Yeah
it’s not right since we’ve dominated. I’m not homer enough to say we’re light years better than the eagles.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
Making comparisons
like how we played Atlanta and how you played Atlanta and putting the two together is just not even comparable.
If we could make such comparisons, then why did the Giants crush the Raiders, only to have the Raiders beat Philly?
The game is best boiled down to individual matchups and DESIRE.
That’s why we play the game instead of assuming any victory for any team.
Atlanta has a better record than Tampa, but if you go sleepwalking into Tampa Bay, they might just whip your tails. It has happened before.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
I completely agree. I wasn’t saying the Giant’s OT victory over ATL wasn’t impressive. I was just saying the Eagle’s dominance over a beaten and battered Falcons team is also fairly impressive. One was not more impressive than the other. There’s no way to compare, like you said.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
LOL @ Asante being Nnamdi lite. ASante isnt even the best CB on our team.
i know your guys issues with Asante
i listen to WIP frrom time to time, i understand that overall sheldon brown is the best corner on the team. however, whether or not Asante avoids tackling like the plague, he in my opinion, based on watching his career, can shut down whoever’s lined up against him, and is a high risk/high reward CB.
i would’ve called him deion lite, but that’s going to far.
That's the thing though.
He doesn’t shut down corner and he’s always getting beat by lesser WRs. It’s become a weekly affair.
Well the weather is going to be nasty..
…so Gilbride should probably plan to throw 65 passes like he usually does in bad weather.
by New York Sports Jerk on Dec 10, 2009 5:34 PM EST reply actions
Aggressive defenses like the Eagles
need to be baited in, then pounced on. You show them the slant a couple of times and when the corner jumps it, you run a slant and go. You pump fake one way to get the safety to bite and throw the other way. The Eagles D is good at sniffing out screen passes, so you go screen pass to Boss or those wide receiver screens. Take what the defense gives you. You don’t get many opportunities for big plays, so you take the shorter passes. We can win this if we can keep their offense off the field long enough to give our defense a rest every once in a while. Sustained drives and moving the ball whether by run or short passes is our best bet.
This is basically another playoff game
We won the first round last week. Now we need to win round two to advance. If we lose it’s over.
I hate that’s it’s a late game. I hate waiting all day for the game to begin.
I hope at least SD Dallas is on TV in NY....
Be nice to see those clowns lose and at least make the day look good even before the Giants game…
"It ain't over till its over"---
How come no one covers Steve Smith?
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 10, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Man it would also be nice to see this
After one of our guys get a sack, have that guy run over to the Philly side and pick up the phone.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
Doubleheader this week for CBS
I checked by guide and has that game scheduled. Being thats it’s a 4 o’clock game, it’s probably the national televised game. Unless it conflicts with local markets with the same start time.
I’m also looking forward to that game too!
nfl coverage maps
site is a gold mine, in case you haven’t already heard about it — http://www.the506.com/nflmaps/
I'm actually glad
I’ll be busy all sunday, otherwise I wouldn’t be able to see the game.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
"Osi is probably one of our worst db's but he did alright there"
Celek
That’s what scares me, more than a one-head-shot-from-retirement Westbrook or DeSean Jackson or a frankenstein with McNabb’s right and Vick’s left. There HAS to be someone on this team that can cover a tight end. Rouse + Boley? I dunno, but we can’t have another Witten-like performance.
I'd love to see ...
us bring the blitz from the edge, and just ask the DT’s to get those hands up !
Deflect some of those short-over-the-middle McNabb passes, and try to get a turn over or two.
Eli and the Wind
You know, the talk goes on and on and on about WHAT HAPPENED when the Giants lost to the Eagles last year in the playoffs. To me, its so simple and I do not know why people do not talk about it more. Eli does NOT throw a tight spiral, and he struggles in the wind. He also tends to struggle in rain, when the ball is slicker and harder to hold. As someone who has played the game and the position quite a bit with small hands, I know the feeling exactly. They say Favre’s hand is so big it wraps almost completely around the ball – these types of things matter when its really cold or wet in terms of getting a good grip on the ball. If you watched that Eagles game, Eli was throwing the ball and it looked like a wiffle-ball. There was no way he was going to be effective. Knowing this, the Eagles or any team can stack the box, and then people start wondering why we can’t run or block 8 guys with 6? Or if you take a Jimmy Johnson D and tell them the QB can’t throw an effective pass over 15yds, all they do is pin their ears back and go at the QB since they cannot be kept honest.
I have always contended, the Giants should NEVER want home field advantage in the playoffs with Eli as their QB, because he is much more effective in a dome, or warm weather stadium that time of the year. Its not a cooincidence that the Giants have been such a good road team in Eli’s tenure.
The least mistakes
by a team will determine who wins.
We have made mistakes (be it turnovers, dropped passes, overrun plays, missed tackles) the last three games against the Eagles and you cannot do that if you want to win.
So we need a turnover free game from the offence and everyone catching the ball (ie Smith do not drop them in the EZ like last week) and the defence to not give up 30+ yard plays, to not miss tackles and be out of position, to make 3rd down stops and force turnovers.
If we do the above we can win the game.
by G Fan in England on Dec 11, 2009 9:12 AM EST reply actions

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