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What others are saying about the Giants

We all have our opinions of what has gone wrong with the New York Giants the past four weeks.

I figured I would look around the Inter-Google and sample what others are saying. I am going to present these to you without comment, since I am pretty much commented out right now. See who, and what, you agree with.

Blame the players, not the coverage -- NFL.com
In looking at the Giants' final sequence of calls, they used a two-deep, man under scheme that placed their corners in press coverage with inside technique at the line of scrimmage. The coverage is designed to allow the corners to undercut all underneath routes, while the two deep safeties are positioned with enough depth to prevent the quarterback from going deep. However, New York's corners didn't keep San Diego's wideouts from getting to the middle of the field. The easy access allowed Rivers to move the ball on an assortment of short throws. When the Giants opted to bring pressure, the defenders didn't hug up to their assigned receivers and Rivers was able to squeeze the ball into tight windows before the defender could arrive. While observers have been critical of the team's play-calling in recent weeks, it has been the poor execution by the defenders that has the Giants in a four-game losing streak.

Giants didn't play to win -- Clark Judge
The New York Giants have themselves to blame for their fourth consecutive loss. When you hold a three-point lead, have the ball third-and-goal at your opponent's 9 and there's just over two minutes left, you don't play it safe. You throw for the end zone to put that opponent away. The Giants didn't and suffered the consequences.

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Giants line play lacking --  National Football Post
At the end of the game, the Giants put the burden of winning on their defensive line’s ability in the two-minute drill, and they failed. Look no further than the G-Men’s offensive and defensive lines as the main reason they’re on a four-game losing streak. They didn’t protect well, and even though they pressured Philip Rivers all day, they weren’t able to make plays at crunch time.

Season is on life support -- Gary Myers
Even though the Giants played better than they had in getting outscored 112-61 the last three weeks by the Saints, Cardinals and Eagles, and even though seven games remain to turn this around, the season is now officially on life support.

There have been other very difficult losses in the Coughlin era, of course, but with the season already spiraling out of control, it doesn't get much worse than Sunday's 21-20 defeat to the Chargers.

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Damn

read all those headlines is depressing

Yeah, we like NFL here in Brazil.

by GiantsBRFan on Nov 9, 2009 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

Season can be saved

but a lot has to go right.

And some not subtle changes need to be made. Incremental adjustments will not light a fire under this team.

I have my thoughts and the front seven is at the top of the list.

by MSP Giant on Nov 9, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions  

I'm defiantly an optimist

But expect for @ Denver on short rest, I think every single game on our schedule is very winnable. And we have to go 5-2 to get the WC anyways. Here’s hoping…one win in this past 4 weeks doesn’t give us much room for error

by Jsz on Nov 9, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

what I meant was

one win in the past 4 weeks would have given us more room for error for a playoff push

by Jsz on Nov 9, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm with you!

There’s a lot of righteous pessimism on the G-men today, but if there’s one area of your life in which irrational faith should be employed, it’s in sports fandom.

Mark my words: the Giants WILL make the playoffs this year. I’M ALL IN.

"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin

by Mr. Met on Nov 9, 2009 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

12-4 here we come

I agree, i couldn’t live thinking that the giant suck. They’re what keeps me going during the week

The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls

by Willgfass on Nov 9, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I did not like what Banks said on FAN today

Usually Carl does not have the same snap jundgment fans too and always plays the team up a bit. In 07 no matter how bad they looked at times he would say things like this this team does not know how good it is or Once they belive in themselves they’ll be an elite team. I never bought it but he knew something and was right. Even in 06 he just discusssed the massive amounts of injuries but today all he said was they’re an average team with above average talent. Not Harsh stuff but he usually makes me feel better and puts some perespective on things. I don’t like the fact he thinks the same way I do right now.

by Landeta on Nov 9, 2009 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

Banks finger on the Giants Pulse

After last weeks loss Carl questioned the Giants players want to. I usually listen to Carl too because he does a great job of diagnosing the problem. The fact he thinks the same way a lot of us do about this team speaks VERY LOUD to me. I really doubt this team is making the playoffs and they might have to shake the team up in the offseason with a major trade or somthing.

by Late for Dinner on Nov 9, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Tuck and Coughlin hit it right on the head

they are overthinking too much.

Everyone is overthinking.

They got back to running and short passes. They tried to out think the D with the 3rd and goal run…but why?

They try to out think the other team with Tuck dropping into coverage…but why?

Just do what you think is right. Tuck should be rushing, Boley in coverage. If you wanna fake the Boley blitz…why the F not?

Boss in the back of the end zone is not too good to be true…it IS TRUE. USE IT!

Teams OBVIOUSLY still respect the run of the Giants…so whoever developed play action knew what he was doing.

Guarantee, they throw play action down at the goal line…it works. Been saying it even all of the 12-4 season…especially when they lost those ones to Philly and Dallas. Play action. Quick pass.

They are trying to out think the defense instead of rolling with what works.

Yesterday i saw a lot of Eli getting the ball snapped instead of the “chess match”. And those plays worked. WOW.

I saw Kiwi, TUck and Osi all on the same line and causing chaos….WOW!

I saw MJ, a safety with some speed….play some nice CF for the giants….WOW.

Use it.

This team is still good. They’ve tried to outthink the defense and forgot that they can just pummel the defense with Jabs and Jacobs.

Really. The recipe for the Giants shredding through the rest of their schedule is right there for the taking.

Eli’s back. Defense will be healthy. Is there.

…and Oh yea..I don’t care what all these “analysts” have to say. Guess what fellas…the back’s against the wall again. Got em right where we want em.

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 9, 2009 4:02 PM EST reply actions  

12-4 baby

Although jacobs lied to me. He said we’d go 13-3.

The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls

by Willgfass on Nov 9, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

fat ppl on special team....

is it me, or does it seem like tynes and feagles has put on a little weight. after this depressing loss to the chargers i watched the DVD of the giants super bowl run. and i noticed 2 things, feagles and tynes dident have a “gut”. what the heck happen to the conditioning coach, did they forget about the kikers? obviously u would kick alot better if u dident have 1 giant ab in your way. sheesh runs sum laps feagles….

by old man strahan on Nov 9, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

I heard

they’re on the Antonio Pierce diet

Jerry,
Please cut Antonio Pierce.
Thanks,
DB

by DukBudr on Nov 9, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

After the bye

The game against the Falcons will truly be a playoff game. The winner of that game will have the inside track to the second wild card spot.

by njgiant on Nov 9, 2009 4:38 PM EST reply actions  

Lazy and Unmotivated

Man the G-Men just look flat. They appear to be lazy and unmotivated. There is no drive to win. Bad attitude, bad coaching, no chemistry and injuries are killing the team! 4 losses in 4 weeks and no end in sight…… This team should be in first place in the conference and a sure lock for the playoffs. Instead they will be lucky to grab a wild card spot. So disappointing!

by PPDTRU621 on Nov 9, 2009 4:51 PM EST reply actions  

Id be willing to bet you're the same person as "almost former giant fan"

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Nov 9, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Also sounds like someone just looking at the record and not watching the games....

yea, against teh Eagles and Saints…you’re right.

The other 2 ? Couldn’t be more wrong.

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 9, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Play calling

and cornerback play lost this game. Where’s the Webster of last year? Running on 2 consecutive play in a long goal to go? I don’t know who this team is, but worse than that, I don’t think they know who they are either.

by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Nov 9, 2009 4:55 PM EST reply actions  

We

were praying to hold on instead of putting them away.

by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Nov 9, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I must take exception to this...

first of all your right…webster didn’t play great.

BUT…having him play Zone Defense for the past few weeks was really a killer. Let’s be honest, Webster is not a Zone guy…and that’s why Spags changed up to Man coverage the second he got here. Sheridan obviously had to learn the hard way…but in doing so he got us really outta whack.

Blitzers are going through the same gap and tripping over themselves….corners are not being aggresive enough and jamming WR’s at the line….it’s like asking someone to play a totally different sytle of football, especially as a CB.

Am i biased, yes, Cweb is my favorite player…but if we really look at it…cweb had two bad plays. The penalty and the game losing TD. but aside from that, 4 yards and 30 something yards for Jackson is a pretty damn good day.

but yeah…Web let us down, he’ll get it back together though. If Sheridan commits to Man coverage CWeb and this entire Defense will get back on track.

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Nov 9, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions  

and also...

w/ exception to cweb I thought our Corners played pretty well….TT and BJ that is.

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Nov 9, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions  

NFL.COM has it right --

Been saying it all along — it’s the D players execution, not so much the plays.
They are flat, confused, and slow. Let’s look at the 3 games where the D ‘looked’
like champs — Bucs, Chiefs, Raiders — honestly, they didn’t look great. The other teams looked bad. The D-line still had trouble getting any real pressure, and if any of those teams had a half-decent QB throwing the ball, our DBs wouldn’t have fooled some into thinking we were world beaters. Yes, there were glimmers of Giant D in the SD game, sort’ve like sense memory — and still, the Chargers are NOT an elite team. This D needs a major overhaul.
This is not 2007, or the first half of 2008, they can’t get by on the memory vapors of past seasons, and we fans shouldn’t either. Hold your team accountable. Look at it with a cold, honest eye — it doesn’t mean you love them any less, I know I don’t, I love the Giants, for 40 plus years, but I’ve got a pretty good sense of when they will be up and when they will be down, always hoping for up, but when the facts are there, face ‘em,
embrace ’em, and talk about what can be done to fix the wrongs, it’s part of the fan experience. Now, sometimes I wish I could be blindly optimistic, ignoring the giant blemishes, being delusional in the face of reality, but it’s just not my nature.

by ZILLAG on Nov 9, 2009 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

I think they need to change some things up

but not totally rebuild. Still a solid core and good HC. They have some good players on D they just got old at a couple of spots real quick. DT LB should be priorities this off season. Depth at Saftey. Webster and Tuck are not playing great but they are solid players that have been great at times. I want to see more out of Kiwi before they resign him, It seems like for the past 3 years he almost a very good player but not quite there yet. I’ve been down on Osi but he’s looking better comming back from that knee injury the past few weeks. Philips injury hurt a lot, if he’s healthy this D has a major upgrade. Don’t resign COfield and Robbins and get the FA DT from San Fran and draft a guy. The O might need some new blood on the line but I think they’ve done a nice job rebuilding the WR position.

by Landeta on Nov 9, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Wild card delusions

Anybody who’s watched this team for the past four weeks has to be delusional to think they’ve got a shot at the playoffs. In this case it’s worth noting that another term for “wild card” is “joker” which about describes their level of play and “coaching.”
Look for lots of house cleaning when the season mercifully ends on Jan. 3.

by AreGiantsToast on Nov 9, 2009 5:32 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah but anyone who's watched them over the past 4 years

can still have faith that they have the talent to turn this around. Call me delusional if you want, but anyone who wants to bail out right now should go ahead and do it and leave the rest of the season to the die-hards.

"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin

by Mr. Met on Nov 9, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

it takes a Mets fan to have some perspective, it seems.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Nov 9, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

cuz 4 games = the season.

These same Chargers? 4-8 last season at one point (what would YOU say at that ????).

What happened? 8-8 and playoffs.

It aint over till its over. 4 losses= 4 losses. They gotta happen at some point.

You’d have to never watch an entire season forget about how it really doesn’t matter how you get into the playoffs.

Until that 9th loss ticks or they are mathematically eliminated…its not over.

But there are plenty of stops for you to get off the bandwagon. Its a one way trip tho….

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 9, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

And who’s in the lead?
The cowboys? the cowboys led by the same Tony Romo who constantly chokes in the big games?
The eagles? The same team that lost to the RAIDERS?!?

It ain’t over until its over. We lost 4, true. But each future game is completely independent of the other.

losing the first 8 games, than winning the rest looks the same in the standings as winning every other game.

I won’t give up until its mathematically impossible.

The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls

by Willgfass on Nov 9, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions  

if the eagles or cowboys stumble like we have,

10-6 could take the division

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Nov 10, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions  

On

a posItive note, no one even mentioned CC BROWN.

by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Nov 9, 2009 5:32 PM EST reply actions  

Now that

is reaching a loooooooooong way to find a positive. LOL!! I don’t think Brown took any defensive snaps.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 9, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions  

It's all fan channeling lol

What was it, a couple few days ago discussing why we play three S’s and not another CB? So be it, Bad, Bad CC didn’t play but B. Johnson did? Noticeable improvements? I think so. Oh, BTW, for the last two or three weeks when CC started, he lead the team in tackles and this game, Rouse in his place only had ONE?!!!!

I don’t think we’re too far off with armchair cordinating?! lol

by Hootman on Nov 9, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Special Teams

I was at game and couldn’t really see 1st quarter FG snafu. But saw it on TV and Feagles and Tynes looked utterly lost, without any clue whatsoever, immediately after it occurred. Why wasn’t there some alternative, or at least, some planning as to what to do when this kind of inevitable situation occurs. This is not what being prepared means.

by Deal With It on Nov 9, 2009 6:17 PM EST reply actions  

Mentality

I just have a bad memory of the old Fassel days here, where the team “thinks” they are deserving of wins. I will say I was not pro-Coughlin, for a while, but I truly believe in this guy. He is not a one shot wonder like Gruden. However, the players seem so lost. With that said, aside from them losing how they did, they played well yesterday. That loss hurt the most of any this year. I also told my wife as soon as they scored the FG at the end that they would lose by 1…ugh.

by Mopey Dick on Nov 9, 2009 6:59 PM EST reply actions  

How was rouse?

I’m not the greatest evaluator of safety talent, so I’d like if someone else with more knowledge and better eyes could say what they thought about rouse yesterday.

The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls

by Willgfass on Nov 9, 2009 8:02 PM EST reply actions  

Well, if he was getting toasted all day ...

he had the common decency to do it off-camera.

by Shofner85 on Nov 9, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions  

What has happened

I never thought that I would be posting a comment for the third time this year. I guess that says a great deal about our team. Little seems to be said when you are winning. Simple enjoyment suffices. Well, things are not going well for our team. As I have consistently reiterated in my past posts, this team would lose more games and I also felt that they were being beleaguered by a lack of confidence. What I did not believe was that the coaching staff would propagate that lack of confidence by not believing in their own team as well. They simply did just that. On the opening drive, not going for a fourth and one on the opposition’s twenty says a great deal. It is the opening drive. You are at home. Make a statement for heaven’s sake! If you do not make it, so what. The Chargers are staring from their twenty. More importantly though, the team is allowed to feel that their coaches BELIEVE in them. Even if these men are professionals, they are still just human. Late in the game, on what should have absolutely been the game crushing interception by TT, Gilbride lets a holding penalty turn him into an ultra conservative, and frightened coach. Good teams rarely do that. Great teams never do. He just ran scared, scared off by his own team.
The season is clearly in jeopardy, but it is not over. Does anyone remember last season, when the Eagles were doomed at week nine. Well, they came back to make the playoffs, and almost make it into the Super Bowl. I know that it is a tall task, but I still do believe that we can make the playoffs. We have three very tough games at home with the Cowboys, Eagles, and Falcons. These are games we must win. I do think that we can beat Denver, and I am hoping that Minnesota will have clinched well before we have to match up against Rice, Harvin, et al. If we win five of the next seven, we limp in as a wild card. If we win all seven, we are East champs. Yes, it will be tough. But remember, we will have two weeks of rest, perhaps a reenergized team, and maybe even Aaron Ross. Most importantly, we absolutely need to see a new coaching staff. Not necessarily, new coaches, but a new philosophy, a philosophy where the coaches start believing in their players. Once that cycle is there, the players will start believing in themselves. They need to elevate their game. Both sides of the line need to start playing with more energy and conviction, as they are both losing the battles in the trenches. This is not last years team, but it could be again. Dig down deep you Giant supporters, and hope that your team does the same.

by CPoster5 on Nov 10, 2009 7:23 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Good thoughts...

…we need to get back to being one cohesive unit. Dudes workin’ and havin’ fun. We’re pressing to hard. Right now it feels like our Def. and Off. are hittin’ at around 75-80% and special teams at 60%. We got work to do fellas. I knew this season would be interesting but not like this. I’m actually happy that we have a bye for the first time ever. The playoffs are still a possibility. I do have faith. This is why we are fans. GO BLUE!!!!!!

by Last year in Sec 127 on Nov 10, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

SCARED FOOTBALL

   Scared football is the real reason the giants lost all four games. the short punting, they have no balls at short and goal they lack confidence in there running backs. they have the best players in the league.it is not the players as much as the coaches

by muttsey88 on Nov 10, 2009 10:58 AM EST reply actions  

They have the best players in the league?

They have some outstanding ones and maybe one or two who some might consider the best at their positions. If you mean overall or team average, I’d say that’s more than a bit of a stretch.

by blue gonz on Nov 10, 2009 1:09 PM EST reply actions  

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