'Kudos & Wet Willies:' Rough day for Giants fans edition

its just the GIants haven’t had too many punts from their own zone since say…2006?

He’s excellent for when they are at midfield.

BUt a punter who can do it all has been long overdue. THe Giants ST has been killing them on field position the past few games, and Feagles and Tynes kickoffs/coverage too has been a big culprit.

They lost the game…but a game like this really didn’t seem like all that bad of a loss (if it wasn’t teh 4th in a row..meaning.)

on TC. One-game seasons mean you go for it on 4th and 1, and you play to win at the end instead of refusing to take a shot. Largely, this one is on TC.

You know I hate it. Spags used it last year, and I hated it then. Sheridan promised to get rid of it and, if anything, he used it more than Spags did. It’s awful.

I totally flipped out when i saw Tuck on Gates! Who in their right mind would scheme this, in all seriousness?!

Really, hopefully if the Raiders don’t re-sign Shane Lechler..I’d pay him whatever he wants.

….when the offense could move the ball and the defense could bail him out. He didn’t need a booming leg because the offense was generally further downfield. And because Tynes doesn’t have a big leg, punting while he’s standing between the 45s (rather than trying a long FG) was vital to getting a good start for the defense.

But the last few weeks, the offense hasn’t been moving the ball, so he’s been called on to kick longer. Which he can’t do. And our defense hasn’t been playing well, so his shortcomings are more apparent.

Even though your losing three yards out of it, your getting a free play out it!

This loss took the gem out of my doghnut for sure. I went from feeling like the Giants were gonna get salvage the season to now wondering how high of a draft pick will we get. One thing is for sure Sheridan has got to go at the end of the season, I don’t care what kind of numbers the D put up, every time the opposing QB goes back for a pass I hold my breath. TC what are you thinking not going for the TD up by 6 with 3 mins to go and our D Specializes in giving up monster plays in the air. I can say this for sure our D can’t stop anybody when it matters, can anybody say Tim Lewis Defense!

I do believe the last Play action in the red zone was in the KC game where he found Smith in the back of the end zone.

Really, its a staple of so many teams to call play action down there..and the Giants just refuse to do it.

Every week, I see teams have no problem at all scoring inside the 5, and its cuz of the play action down there.

You’re right, I really don’t understand why the do something that works so well one week…yet it takes them so long to use it again (i.e. slants this week worked to perfection….)

He surprisesd me with a pretty solid game plan and even threw in a few wrinkles. My only question is WHAT TOOK SO LONG KEVIN!

b/c I was in college watching it with my roommate who is a big-time Eagles fan. The rest (that I remember) I suffered in silence, which was much better.

…was it the ‘98 playoffs against the Vikes where they recovered an onside kick and drove for the game winning touchdown. Bad memories. The price for being a true fan. I’m starting to second guess the psl.

the game against the Cowboys where we were ahead only for Simms to fumble the snap from centre at our 20, we concede a TD and then Walls picks off a pass just across midfield to end the game.

but to put so much pressure on a defense that WAS playing out of its a-hole…yet obviously struggled for 3 straight weeks…kinda tough.

Gotta remember also…Tuck getting injured KILLED them on that final drive. The TO, the fact he wasn’t out there…all of it. Killed them.

but this D has let up big drives in big spots all year and even dating back to late last year. Yea they played great on the previous two series but to ask them to do a third time is a lot. Come on you cant tell me you felt good when the D was on the field there, I know they should hold them but this is a mediorce D that played well because the O dominated TOP and kept them off the field. There are very few D’s in this league I would trust against a good QB and O with that much time.

it’s like the light bulb went on for the Chargers: Oh yeah, the Giants can’t stop the pass!

…restraint not to flip my coffee table last night. Good to see the guys in blue with some passion and having fun on the field for a change. The only zone or coverage the DEs should be playing is the screen. I hear C Cowherd talk about the players not caring about winning or losing as much as true fans. I think they should be caring the most! This is their livelyhood. I would play like my life depended on it. I get paid because I do my job well. We got two weeks to right this ship. We are at a crossroads. This loss better keep the boys in blue angry, hungry, and focussed. Never had falcon but I hear that is whats on the menu. The crowd sounded good. Keep bringin’ the noise!..

I don’t understand people that agree with the running play on 3rd and goal from the 9. Time wasn’t an issue at all at that point. The Chargers were either going to get the ball with 3:00 or 2:15 and 1 timeout. In any other instance throughout the game you would want to throw the ball in this situation, so why on earth would you change that stance when you could ice the game? What’s the downside of Eli throwing an incompletion? NOTHING. What’s the upside? GAME OVER. There is no downside and the upside is to end the game.

…I remember Big Fred Robbins getting tackled on a big pass play and waiting for the flag…..no flag.

No denying Boss’s talent…but I don’t think he makes the pro bowl. 1 because the pro bowl is a popularity contest and 2, the Giants don’t really feed him the rock like some of the other TE’s you mentioned.

took a helmet to helmet it would have been called. So many calls in the NFL are arbitrary based on who the person is committing the penalty. I have seen defensive players diving at QBs legs all year, but guess who the only QB that gets that call is…that’s right Tom Brady. More calls are based on reputation than actual foul…how many of us remember Doug Reisenberg getting called for holding 5 times a game…granted 3 of those would be justified, but the other two would be great blocking by anyone other than him because he had the reputation as someone who holds.

Oh no way, they always make the right calls. Don’t they?

but please review this play before you comment on Witten not being able to take a hit and get back up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z817uW6Mgjc

On top of this, Witten broke his jaw and played three games with it wired shut his rookie year. That is one tough SOB.

Boss is a really good one though, I think the NFC East has by far, and it really isn’t even close, the best TE in the NFL. Witten, Boss, Cooley, Celek…damn that’s tough

this is the best i’ve felt about this team in a month…

we gotta get back to playing man…and have our players actually used to that.

we should been doing this since NO…but by waiting another 3 weeks well, it shows that guys are rusty.

They should have had more guys dropped back in coverage to defend the end zone. No excuse for leaving portions of the end zone uncovered when SD had to have a TD to win.

My only problem w/ the defense on the game-losing play is this. Webster, who had a bad day, had shown all game long he could not contain Jackson. So, with the game on the line you trust him in single coverage against the guy? That’s a bad idea.

Sometimes it is also on the players. Bad penalties, etc., etc. I think it is a combination of things.

as an entire unit they’ve taken a lot of steps back.

Where last year a lot of Eli’s incompletions were on himself, this year they’re a lot on his Houdini acts escaping the blitz.

Seubert was supposed to be one of the better LG’s in teh game, I doubt that. McKenzie’s slow. Diehl is fine at LT, but he’s gotta worry about Seubert too.

Not sure I wanna say dismantle the goup, I know Seubert and McKenzie (probably a reason for their sub-par play) are hurt.

The bye week is at a perfect time.

how can you be ready for the play action when all the offense does is run up the middle (or pitch to the outside //**bangs head on desk)

The Giants Defense took a huge step backwards this year, Yesterday they did much better than the last three weeks…. But that is not saying a whole lot. Bottom line. if this was Spags D of 08 they stop Rivers Giants win the game.

I think we all need to face some fact here, our Defense has reverted back to the Timy Lewis era. They can’t stop anybody when it matters and it’s only going to get worse from here.

However, this loss is a team loss, you could blame Feagles for the field goal snafu, or the Giants D for once again proving they are not ready for prime time, or TC KG or BS. Bottom line, to many mistakes were made and that was the diffrence kind of like a death by 1000 razor blades

KG calls the plays, that’s it.

If Coughlin wants to shoot the EZ…Gilbride comes up with it. If Coughlin wants to be “conservative” (the run almost got a TD…) then that’s what Gilbride calls.

The O moves the ball pretty well between the 20s, but when we’re in the “Green Zone”, we tend to constrict ourselves either by poor play calls or poor play or any combination of a myriad of things.
Either way, it’s sad not to be able to score a TD from inside the 5, for whatever reason.

Cause all I see is this team not making the playoffs because this D can’t stop anyboby.

I agree with ya.

….I know what your saying, the team looked a lot different and going forward as guys get healthy and gets some more practice reps…Boley, Canty, Rouse…even most of the O-Line, Boss can use it, Jacobs, Eli…damn near everyone needs this.

Giants will be fine. SB champs even. Just win next week.

it’s call the bye.

I’m looking at you Romo

it’s all about the Super Bowls. That’s the object. Eli is not Peyton, you are correct. But he has a Super Bowl ring, and Eli has a Super Bowl ring. Where is Rivers’?

I would be pissed that the last dozen QBs to start for my team have won a total of 0 playoff games.

Besides, Eli didn’t want to play out there for one reason or another, but that’s his perogative. Knowing this, the Chargers forced the issue and still drafted him only for the return value of any team entertaining trades. It could’ve been avoided!

But for giving up more, within proximity of value? Regardless of where a player is chosen, it’s still a 50/50 gamble of success. Also, perhaps the Giants had Eli rated higher than some, then Phil and then Ben? My point, the Giants could’ve traded down to get Ben, if they thought he was the better graded QB!

maybe if you actually watched the game…you’d realize that Eli pretty much outplayed Rivers.

And all the talk about how Eli was so good cuz of Plax and all that stupidity…Rivers has Jackson who is bigger, faster and less annoying than Plax. Gates is as big and faster than Shockey ever was, and Rivers usually has a decent second option.

Again, its not Eli’s fault the play wasn’t called to go into the end zone.

The fact that Rivers incompletion’s yesterday could be countered with the fact that Eli’s incompletions were mostly throwaway’s cuz the line sucked….there you go.

So in no way will I EVER be pissed the Giants traded for Eli and didn’t keep Rivers.

Rivers and Eli are damn equal. Given where Eli’s taken the Giants…I stay with Eli.

Get that bullcrap of switching QB’s out of here and let it stay with the idiot Cowboy fans…cuz they seem to love to throw Romo under the bus when he struggles.

The debate over Eli and Philp came to a close Jan 2007, once the Giants won the superbowl, (and yes Eli had a major role in winning it thus the superbowl MVP award) the point is moot. Secondly I doubt Rivers would cut it in New York, he likes to run his mouth a lot and the media would be all over him. I think the trade worked for both teams and thats that.

It is true that Eli has a ring and Rivers doesnt but I think that ring was won because of the defense.

I didn’t see Strahan take one snap from center and it was Eli, not Tuck that guided the team on that 2 minute drive and TD to Plax.

I gave the entire special teams, including Tynes, a WW.

yet still, its enough that the Giants lost. In the loss however…there was really nothing to make one of the QB’s stand out. Yea, Eli could have put the Giants up for good…yet, a run at the goal line, a WR scree after the penalty…then 2 more runs…really can’t say Eli showed anything bad on his "GW attempt (the 20 or so seconds…damn near impossible).

I just don’t wanna hear this Rivers vs. Eli stuff, when its pretty obvious that Eli is as good and the payoff was a championship already.