Chargers 21, Giants 20: Our nightmare continues
Ugh! Four losses in a row. Two weeks to sit and stew about what has gone wrong. The nightmare scenario has unfolded.
Questionable coaching strategy. Horrid special teams play. Too many penalties. My head is about to explode right now, so I am going to step back, think about this a bit and give you 'Kudos & Wet Willies' in the morning.
All I know for sure is that this once-promising season is heading down the toilet, and the Giants seem unable to stop it.
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There is no justification to run the ball on 3rd down
If you think the D can stop them with 2 minutes and 1 TO, then the D can stop them with 2 minutes and 2 TOs. If the D can’t stop them, then the lack of an extra TOs wasn’t going to matter – good offenses can score in 2 minutes. In fact, good offenses ALWAYS move the ball down the field at the end of games. The only thing that makes sense was that they were concerned Eli would throw a pick, but that stupid the way he was going. Just an atrocious call.
by Mount17 on Nov 8, 2009 7:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
KEVIN KILLDRIVE
I don’t know about anyone else but that goal line play calling seals it for me. Kg must go.
by John W on Nov 8, 2009 7:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I will say this again
That play-calling at the end is a Coughlin decision, not a KG decision. Settle down with that nonsense. TC made a choice, and it didn’t work out.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 8, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But as I posted above
I don’t really see what the choice was.
by Mount17 on Nov 8, 2009 7:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said
That’s the choice the head coach made. I didn’t like it, either, but if the defense does its job they win the game. We would be killing everyone if Eli had thrown a pick.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 8, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in retrospect
Terrell Thomas should have just run it into the end zone, huh?
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Nov 8, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And if the defense does it's job
one less TO for SD wasn’t going to matter. That’s why it’s a bad call.
by Mount17 on Nov 8, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was not going to throw a pick....
Why such a lack of confidence in him? He played well all day.
The decision is SO stupid on many levels…..you play to win the game…..and he had chance to do that there and choked on it.
Bad coaching IMO.
Good luck next week though guys, but I am gutted for your fans AND your team!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Nov 8, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ed
I disagree 1000%. It’s been ongoing for a few seasons. It wasn’t this one drive this one game.
by FrankB0318 on Nov 8, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
People kill Gilbride when they went 12-4 last year
(Tho rightfully so in the eagles game…the calls did suck in that one).
He can’t win. Have I wanted him gone for a long time? Hell yea. But the reality is when you look at it, there really aren’t many better guys out there.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
when someone says “fire kevin gilbride”, how often do they provide a reasonable idea for a replacement?
by tulls200 on Nov 8, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yankee fans have been 'firing Girardi'
since June.
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
none of us fans know the intricacies of play calling in the NFL. But its painfully obvious Gilbride’s play calling doesn’t work. They’re short yardage offense is woeful. I don’t need to be an OC to know it. I watch all the games.
I’d love to be a fly on the wall in the weekly offensive meetings.
TC/Gilbride: Third and 1 hasn’t worked all season. So we’ll keep trying the same thing.
by FrankB0318 on Nov 8, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where you watching this game?
I thought gilbride was great this game. Sure we can nitpick, but nothing will ever go 100% your way (unless your peyton)
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, Will
You’ll see more of how I feel about that in the Kudos & Wet Willies.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 8, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If I were you
there wouldn’t be too many wet willies
But not too many kudos either
We were beat, plain and simple. In the reverse position we love, we gave phillips too much time and they won. If the position was reversed, with eli there instead of phillips, we’d all be happy with a win right now.
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
but the stats speak for themselves. The Giants have been woeful in the red zone for a few years. They settle for way too many FGs. We’re involved in games that are too close that should be blow outs.
I obvious don’t know of a better guy. Most fans are not that intimate with the assistant coaches in the league. There’s has to be a young innovated offensive mind out there.
by FrankB0318 on Nov 8, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Red Zone I agree with...
yet, if you’ve been watching since the Giants have existed…the Red Zone has been a mystery (Fire Mara/Tisch?).
3rd down, you are wrong. Yea, running the ball they don’t do good, but throwing to Steve SMith has been money on third and short for a while, and they did that today.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
Why not go for the jugular? Put the game out of reach. Our power running game is not that good. It hasn’t been very good dating back to the SB season. We get stuffed on 2nd, 3rd or 4th and 1 too many times. I’d estimate our success rate in those situations is less than 25%
by FrankB0318 on Nov 8, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Holding penalty on the 1st and goal w/ under 3 min after Terrell Thomas interception
was the big moment. That changed everything. Thankfully the NYY have their 27th, otherwise I’d be very very depressed, vs. just very depressed.
by coops2001 on Nov 8, 2009 7:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
try being a Mets fan
I’m typing this from a local bridge
It’s a sad state of affairs when the Islanders are looking like the best team I root for
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Nov 8, 2009 7:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
That put the Giants in a bind right there.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 8, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
exactly
that was an absolute killer right there – we’d have had 2 plays to punch it in from the 1.
by tulls200 on Nov 8, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Had the game locked up right there, and the penalty killed it.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 8, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't help
but that should have been a playaction pass to begin w/. And after the penalty we shoulda ran the draw, not on 3rd down. I know, more armchair coordinating.
by YankeeDudeL on Nov 8, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Imho
it should have been a run up the gut, not a draw.
Then probably no holding.
But yeah, more armchair coordinating
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Will
So, we kill KG because he called a play that created a hold? That’s pretty silly.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 8, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
...
Yeah i know its stupid. That’s why I called it armchair coordinating.
But I had a long ride on the train ride home, and that’s all i really thought about.
Why didn’t we run it up the gut more?
But as i said, we lost the game, nothing I can do about it
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's easy to armchair
after the fact. Not so easy when you have only a few seconds to make a decision w/a bunch of people talking in your ear. Without the penalty, Giants are second-and-goal at the one, and in good shape to get the ball in.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 8, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The bye week is here
Relief! Our division chances are shot. The Eagles and Cowboys aren’ the 2008 Broncos, such a choke will not happen. Next week is pretty much our last shot at wild-card berth.
"We're only going to score 17 points?"
by Edgware on Nov 8, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
you honestly think those 2 are not gonna choke?
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lemme help you on that one....
Dallas remaining oppts
Philly (2) – Split
Wash (2) – 2 W
Giants – ?
Oakland – W
San Diego – W
New Orleans – L
Green Bay – L
I see Dallas as 10-6 or 11-5 team….
by ManTab on Nov 8, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
of course you do.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
umm
if you had applied the same logic to green bay schedule, would you have chalked up a win against tampa today? can’t just run thru the schedule like that.
by tulls200 on Nov 8, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no you can't but we all do that silly crap....
by ManTab on Nov 8, 2009 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol!!!
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And i see us as a 12-4 team
Or at least 11-5. By that logic, we’d be over Dallas, seeing as we’d own the tiebreaker for head to head
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no reason they can't go 7-0.....
I probably just jinxed it…but the reverse jinxers on BBV are doing the same with their 7-9 or 6-10 talk….
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm reminded of the colts last year
Started off 3-4, everyone thought they were finished. Eli’s got a two game advantage. Show your man(ning)hood!
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
9-0 to finish off the season...not too shabby.
Eli’s back, that’s probably the main thing to take away from this one. I don’t really thing SD’s pass D is the greatest, but they aren’t all that bad either.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Get Real FB!!! Wishfull Thinking is for Losers!!!
Hey FB, let’s keep it real here. One game where Eli shows a little umph and all of a sudden he’s back??? Let’s not forget that we’re talking about Eli Manning and not Phillip Rivers, OK. Eli has never been an elite quarterback that can carry a team anywhere, it was our defense that won us a Super Bowl with a little help from Peyton’s dorky little brother. I love the Giants, but I hate Eli, hate Kevin Gilbride( who in fact with his bone-headed play calling, makes Eli a lot worse), and after that horrible display of defensive play calling towards the end, Bill Sheridan is not on my good side either. Your boy Eli is too predictable with the football. He rarely even pump fakes, let alone it seems like he has tunnel vision when going through his progressions, and his choice of audibles straight up SUCKS!!! I’d hate to say it, but with the way our secondary is getting torched week in, and week out, I’d say we will end up 7-9 and miss the playoffs this year. Let’s just hope that we could get some help in the secondary in the offseason.
by PaulieKnucklez1 on Nov 9, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are being too hard on Eli
Eli has not just showed a little umph in one game, he has played very well all year except for the three games after he hurt his foot. Eli was playing at a pro bowl level before the injury ( albeit against subpar teams) and he seems to be returning to form. I too was critical of Eli early in his career but he has showed great maturity and leadership this year. This was one of the better games i have seen KG call this year, they mixed up the offense a lot more than usual and made steve smith and Kevin Boss a larger part of the offense however, Brandjon Jacobs should have received more touches the way he was running the ball. The call at the end was on TC, after the stupid holding penalty pushed them back they should have thrown the ball. The D looked like they had something to prove today and the late int. was a gift from the D that should have ended the game. I have a problem with the 5 sacks and the declining play of the offensive line and the fact that we are botching field goals and having delay of game penalties along with green zone deficiencies and some bad calls leads me to believe that there is a problem with our coaching strategy because these are preseason mistakes and the Giants are usually coached too well to make these mistakes and the " bad calls" are becoming a weekly thing now. I hope we can right this ship and execute at a championship level again lets pull it together G-MEN!!!
by The G man on Nov 9, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea..Paulie...
uh, basically NONE of that.
Sheridan I understand the bashing and hasn’t been here long enough as the DC to deserve any kudos.
Buy you’re way off on the Giants QB. You watch and believe ESPN and the media too much thinking that the defense was the sole source of EVERYTHING in the SB run (I don’t remember many pick 6’s…DO YOU PAULIE????)
ANd maybe if you watching the game on Sunday…you’d notice that Eli outplayed Rivers. Both are great QB’s, you just don’t know the one on the Giants is and that’s a shame.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 7:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bad news for you guys is that the schedulle doesnt get much better....
bye, atl, denver, dallas, philly……..
by ManTab on Nov 8, 2009 7:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If we play like we have recently,
That is very easily a 1-3 stretch.
"We're only going to score 17 points?"
by Edgware on Nov 8, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If they play like they have been....
It doesn’t matter as they aren’t playing well enough to beat any playoff team at the moment. If they play like they COULD play, then getting into the playoffs opens up a whole new season.
by Cranky50 on Nov 8, 2009 7:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, it does not..
But it is getting easier for anyone who has the fortune to play our inept team.
by Bobbiblue on Nov 8, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am at a total loss right now..
They did everything I was hoping for to control the clock..and then our defense melts down in the end..very very frustrating..I again call out the coaching decisions..I think it is increasingly getting down to them bending over and kissing their butts goodbye..problem is they can’t cover their butts.
by Bobbiblue on Nov 8, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good effort, guys. You're getting healthier.
I hope your guys get healthy over the bye week, and you’re able to get some wins and compete for a wildcard berth. If I were you, I’d be hoping Dallas beats Philly, as that would help you with your (admittedly slim) hopes for a division title.
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 8, 2009 7:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, almost forgot...
Beat Denver, huh?
by Neoplatonist Bolthead on Nov 8, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hell of a QB Rivers is.
Really, I always thought that he had 2 Plaxico’s and 1 Shockey (comparing to the Giants of old) and the fact that they dropped a whole lot of balls…proved that.
Good luck the rest of the way. Hope we meet again!
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Neo..I have no choice..
My wife is a Dallas fan..I just witnessed a miserable loss…I have to root for Dallas or I will not have only seen my team lose..I be not be getting any hanky-panky in the sack. My life is miserable right now..lol
by Bobbiblue on Nov 8, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks man
I used to think SD was an overrated, over hyped team.
But its nice for fans to come graciously in victory.
Unlike some of the fans at the game. There where at least 5 fights that I saw.
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Two Big Factors
Why we lost comes down to two things:
1. Horrible officiating. Sacks that didn’t happen, calls that didn’t exist, there were some awful calls out there that really moved the field.
2. Defensive play calling. Sheridan didn’t just drop the ball, he punted it away. 1st and 10 and he blitzes with everyone? Had we played conservatively on that final drive we could have won. Sheridan thinks he’s cerebral, but he’s not psyching anyone out. Calls like blitzing Boley and having Tuck cover Gates is what gave the Chargers this game.
Honestly, I feel so much better about the Giants after this game. We lost, but we didn’t get beat—if that makes any sense. However this was a poor showing by the coaches—not the players.
by RolloT on Nov 8, 2009 7:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I thought there was progress too...
Not enough, but considering how bad it was last week, quite a bit. We aren’t talking about CC Brown, and Rouse didn’t do anything, but didn’t cost the game either, while Johnson was a vast improvement. I still think Sheridan needs to join the 10% of Americans that are unemployed. I actually thought Gilbride did better, but TC needs to get a handle on the defensive coaching for this team. Still a long ways to go, and hopefully Tuck’s injury will be minor. Good to see some of the walking wounded returning,and though they didn’t play brilliantly, they were out there and two weeks might be time enough so they’ll start having a postive impact.
by Cranky50 on Nov 8, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
OPC
I actually liked some of the offensive play calling. The direct snap to Jacobs was a play that was innovative AND effective. I wish we’d run Jacobs up the middle more. For some reason we avoid it. I know defenses see it coming, but its Brandon freaking Jacobs. Opponents should see it coming, but it also shouldn’t matter. On 4th & 1 I want to see Jacobs touch the ball up the middle. Yeah, they’ll stack the box but Jacobs can fall over and get a yard.
The defensive schemes is what killed me. No innovation to the blitzes. Everytime it would just be four or five guys up the middle. Nothing different. Any defensive plays were plays made by the guys on the field. Sheridan really lost us that game.
by RolloT on Nov 8, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I did like some of the play calling. It’s the red zone and goal to go play calling that is too predictable and terrible. No innovation at all. The stats speak for themselves. We’re 28th in red zone offense. At the same time we’re top 5 or 10 over all defense. What does that say?
by FrankB0318 on Nov 8, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sheridan
I’m not killing him here, except for the zone blitzes with Tuck and Osi dropping out. I thought he was aggressive. Defensively, this is more about C-Web being taken to school by Vincent Jackson than anything Sheridan did or did not do.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 8, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Webster had a horrible game. Tuck on gates was weird but B. Johnson looked good on a couple of plays against a big WR. D-line did not rush well on the last drive, I know there tired but thats gut check time, one sack and the Giants win. More execution than anything on D today.
by Landeta on Nov 8, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not His Fault .......
Don’t blame Webster , he just missed CC Brown , He did not have to cover anyone for 8 games until today , He is just rusty…..
by nickyb4898 on Nov 8, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The refs are out to get us
I can’t believe it, the last 5-6 games. Its like Goodell hates us and told the refs to screw us.
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What?
C’mon, blaming referees is really, really lame. There are bad calls across the league every week. The Giants lost and it had nothing to do with officiating.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 8, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know
but i want to blame something.
btw, i think this is the most you’ve acknowledge me in the threads ever.
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But there is one thing
Not being able to challenge is out of bounds when he throws a ball?
They didn’t show a replay at the game, so i’m not sure if he was in or out, but come on!
Whether its in the rules or not, but being unable to challenge when the ball carrier is out of bounds or not seems like something that can be challenged
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Guys, my commiserations....
But have your heart go out to your team.
PATHETIC play calling by Tom Coughlin after the INT cost you guys the game.
You play the game to win, you dont play the game to not lose.
Being up 3 or 6 points meant the same thing, and 3 running plays was ridiculous.
Phillip Rivers is the best 2 minte drill QB in the NFL. Surely your coaching staff new this. You dont put the ball in Eli’s hands to put the game out of doubt? Especially with how well he played today.
Lack of confidence in Eli, in the O and conservative play calling wll calways bite you in the ass.
Once again, sorry to you guys, and the team, by Coughlin has some BIG questions to answer and some apologies to make to the team he just sold down the river
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Nov 8, 2009 7:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yea I don;t understand...
past 3 weeks, Eli looks hurt..and they throw too much.
This week, he looks healthy…and they don’t put the ball in his hands to score a TD.
Really, is it Coughlin’s bad? Yea, you should go for the TD. But also, his son in law on the O-Line screwed up with the holding call….that killed what could have been an easy punch in with the way Jacobs was going.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
4
4 running plays. The first run was the penalty.
by FrankB0318 on Nov 8, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What's wierd is
they have a tendancy to rely on Eli to win games when they should be running the ball but when they have shot against a struggle D and he’s playing well the play it safe. Not thrilled about that. Rivers and his skilled guys are very good you don’t want to give them a chance to win the game
by Landeta on Nov 8, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
keep some perspective
last year the Eagles were 5-5-1, and they made it to a very winnable NFC Championship Game. This season isn’t over. But this was a depressing loss. They really need to regroup and come out of the bye looking like a new team
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Nov 8, 2009 7:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Eagles D wasn't lead by BS and AP
Jerry,
Please cut Antonio Pierce.
Thanks,
DB
by DukBudr on Nov 8, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least Eli wasn't benched for Kevin Kolb...
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hope
I’m not done believing, and personally any Giants fan who feels worse after today’s game compared to our prior three really needs to start rewatching those games. Before the Giants lost games in embarrassing fashions. Today, our offense felt fresh, and we returned to Giants football. A strong running game and an imposing defense. They were there guys. When the Giants hit the Chargers for three straight loses during that late game drive, I knew I was watching the Giants defense of last year. We just need better play calling and blitzing schemes. The problem isn’t in the players. It really isn’t.
by RolloT on Nov 8, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I fealt a little better
knowing that the giants were playing so much better.
Hopefully the bye week will fix these retarded penalties.
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Not over, but the road ahead is very difficult. The Giants have lost a couple of very winnable games, and that leaves them in a difficult situation.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 8, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea
in a lot of ways, this game and the Cardinals game are much worse than the Saints & Eagles games. They could and should have won both of them
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Nov 8, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fact is
Good teams find ways to win the ugly games. This season is fading fast. Our Giants are a lot better on paper than on the field right now. Philly and Dallas are playing better ball and by the end of the night we’ll be two back in the loss column with a struggling team.
by njgiant on Nov 8, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea..
they really should have won this one and the Cardinals game.
7-2 would be a lot better right?
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
cardinals
were seen as complete garbage heading into playoffs last year, and we saw how that turned out.
by tulls200 on Nov 8, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They could afford to be garbage
because they played in a garbage division 7-9 would have won the NFC west Last year.
by Landeta on Nov 8, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm just an eternal optimist or something
but I feel a lot better than I did after last week’ s debacle. The Giants represented something similar to an actual football team this week, which I found encouraging. Looking around the NFC, we still have a great chance to get to the playoffs one way or another. Beating Atlanta will obviously be an important thing to do.
But it’s not the end of the world, disappointing though this loss was. Tom Coughlin just went back to his natural tendencies, which is overly conservative at the end of the game. He’s always been that way, and to me that’s what really burned us today.
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
by Mr. Met on Nov 8, 2009 7:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
the way they played today, they looked like they were “back”.
No turnovers and the defense showed up for the most part.
with 1:30 left, I want the ball in Eli’s hands. I’m sure Rivers is as good or better than Eli in the 2 minute, and he proved it today.
Big F ups were the botched FG and Snee’s holding call.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the botched FG, Snee's holding call, and the inability to make a stop with the game on the line
by Step up and make big plays on Nov 8, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
obviously the last one...
but it doesn’t happen if they either make that FG or Snee doesn’t hold.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel worse
because they had this game won, they were the better team for most of the day. Playoff teams know how to win these games. The Bengals lost a lot of games like this over the years you see how thats worked out. I’m just sick. I thought the Giants were beyond this stuff but I guess not.
by Landeta on Nov 8, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Playoffs?!!!!!
after todays loss the Giants will have to play something like .700 football the rest of the way to get in and with the schedual as tough as it is………………..yeah your an eternal optimist for sure
by giantsNYrangers on Nov 8, 2009 9:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coaching
But losing to Coach Turner. Probably one of the worst coaches in the league
by pocbobd on Nov 8, 2009 7:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Gut punch
Tough to kill the giants as they played this close. Easy to kill gilbride for not going for the jugular with multiple chances to put them down for the count.
Just a sad tough loss. I really feel empty.
by Cody K on Nov 8, 2009 7:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
That was a HC call......makes no sense after the way that had been moving the ball.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Nov 8, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
By the way
not complaining about the call, but did anyone see Snee’s hold? CBS has an aversion to replays.
by Mount17 on Nov 8, 2009 7:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yea, kinda sad......
can’t even see if Snee really should be the goat for the game, or if the refs cost us.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't matter
Snee said it was probably a good call, per MG>
by Mount17 on Nov 8, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Three People have got to go ASAP
Gilbride
Tynes
Sheridan
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 8, 2009 7:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
all 3 of which were not reason to blame.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so uh...
no, they stay…for now.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh... Sheridan?
Explain how Sheridan’s terrible blitzing calls didn’t cost us on that final drive? Blitzing the house on 1st & 10? That was Sheridan’s fault. If we need to preserve a touchdown, we play conservatively. Sheridan cost us the game. Tynes and Gilbride were fine for the most part.
by RolloT on Nov 8, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thing is
If he didn’t blitz, you’d be killing him for that. Fact is, nobody made a play and Corey Webster got schooled.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 8, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Blitz
I want Sheridan to blitz, but not on 1st & 10 when we need to preserve the touchdown. Yeah on short yardage or third down we should bring pressure, but Sheridan blitzes at the worst times. By blitzing the house he gave Rivers an open backfield to get the first down. It was a poor call when the game is on the line. Play conservatively for the big yard situations and we can bring our pressure on the final downs. When we do it early we open up the backfield for a big play.
by RolloT on Nov 8, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
i can’t stress these two points enough:
1) coaching is less important than the ‘experts’ make it out to be.
2) luck is far more important than the ‘experts’ make it out to be — in fact, it often decides the super bowl champion more than any other factor.
by tulls200 on Nov 8, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No offense
IMO you’re naive if you think coaching in the NFL is less important. Game plans and in game adjustments are huge. The game is played on the field but there’s so much more that goes into the game.
by FrankB0318 on Nov 8, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tynes is awful
his short kickoffs and lack of range have been problems since he got here. Gilbride should be shown the door as well, its amazing how much better Burress made Kevin KillDrive and Eli look
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 8, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wowwww
Do you have a manlove for Burress? This is like the millionth time you’ve mention Plax.
Sheridan had maybe two stupid play calls: The all out LB blitz that left sproles wide open in the middle.
And the tuck on gates play.
Other than that, the team played great d
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Manlove?
Let’s let Plax R.I.P…….Rest In Prison……sorry.
by njgiant on Nov 8, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No just upset they didnt really make a move to replace him
Look at the team pre plax, with plax and post plax. His impact was obvious. He transformed the offense the minute he got here; and they didnt really make a move to replace him. What we have is a collection of no 2’s, albeit one of them, Smith, is a great no 2.
I just feel they didnt really do their due diligence in replacing him, rather theyre relying on a bunch of average receivers to make big plays, which as we’re seeing isnt smart
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 9, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
again...
the WR are not the problem.
Nicks has made more big plays already than Plaxico in 2007 and 2008 combined.
Yes they are young? Average? Hell MFing no.
You think there was something out there that would replace em? They are replacing him, Hakeem Nicks is going to be a lot better and much less of a headache.
WR are not the problem…and I still don’t see how Plax would be helping them right now.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 7:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Im sure Domenik Hixon will rack up the frequent fliers miles
b/t New Jersey and Hawaii (or Miami) with all his pro bowl trips. Nicks to me looks like a shorter, slightly faster version of Toomer, and we all remember how mediocre our offense was when he was the top gun.
WRs are most definitely a problem, their numbers, the whole teams numbers, were padded by the creampuff schedule in weeks 1-5.
And if you dont see how a sure handed 6’6" WR would help right now, then I dont know what to tell you
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 10, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree...
a sure handed 6"6 WR would be great right now….other than the 6"6 part I don’t think the Giants have had one in their history (Ramses Barden hasn’t played yet..so I don’t know on him).
Plaxico didn’t do anything last year and the team went 12-4.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Howd they do once he was gone for good?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 10, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
defense.
Looked like they do now.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 11, 2009 7:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the WR haven't been the problem all year...
if you cite Manningham’s drops…I cite the 10x more drops Plax had.
Burress made “Killdrive” look just as “bad” as he looks now.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 10:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I mean Braylon Edwards sucks...
and Anquan Boldin can’t see the field so what would have been the point?
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
that there would have been no point. Smith is a bonifide beast and Swiss and The Dream are YAC machines. This corps is the real deal and I’m glad Reese decided to work with the “in house” talent. A young crew that is just going to get stronger and stronger.
by njgiant on Nov 8, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the problem all year has been the defense
and aside from some altered senses of reality…there still are a ton of injuries back there and just now guys are coming back or still nursing something
Ross maybe can come back, Canty and Boley get another 2 weeks off, TUck too.
I would have wanted 6-3 obviously, but 5-4 is not the end of the world and the bye is at the perfect time.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with your post 100% Free
The most disappointing thing to me is the absence of Canty. This guy got the big buck$ to come in and gobble up a couple of linemen to free the edges for Tuck and Osi. KP being gone for the year is a super major blow also. I’m glad the bye is this week. Hopefully these guys can get healthy and make a strong run in the second half.
by njgiant on Nov 8, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No Killdrive is awful
Manningham or any of the guys cant make the big play like Plax did, especially near the endzone or in traffic, and I dont feel Reese made a smart move by hanging onto the no 1 pick when he couldve used it as trade bait.
Dont get me wrong, I think Nicks is gonna be pretty good, but he wont be on Plaxs level.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 9, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yea...
- pick for Stone Hands Edwards…or #1 pick for can’t see the field Boldin.
WR are not the problem.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 7:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you can hardly question Boldins toughness
thats just ridiculous, give me 75% of Boldin over Hixon or Nicks
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 10, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
tough yea...
actually on the field is another…..
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 7:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Give me 100% of smith and boss
over 200% of boldin and plax
Good hard working guys vs divas and nutjobs
BTW, i was one of Plax’s biggest defenders and hoped he could come back to the team. Now, i don’t want him to even say he was a Giant
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
On 3rd down, throw it to Smith.
by Willgfass on Nov 10, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how is boldin a diva?
you all seem to be forgetting that Plax played all of 2007 injured and yet made it out there week after week.
Im not saying I wish he was here, I simply meant his absence is glaring and they didnt do enough to replace that.
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 10, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Er...
his team blasted the bears, and all boldin was doing was complaining about him not playing.
In the next three years, I promise we’ll have a top 10, top 5 receiving corp. You can write that down and bring that back to me once we have another superbowl under eli and coughlin
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
On 3rd down, throw it to Smith.
by Willgfass on Nov 10, 2009 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll gladly do that
once you tell me who those receivers will be, outside of smith
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 10, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
...
- Receiver Hicks
- Smith (and going into the slot when in 3 and more receiver sets)
- Manningham
And Kevin Boss
Let them mature and this will be the most potent receiving corp in my life the giants will have
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
On 3rd down, throw it to Smith.
by Willgfass on Nov 10, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WR is not the problem
Guys can’t make a play near the endzone if their number isn’t called. We get near the endzone and the ball is going to go to Jacobs or Bradshaw (we all know this, and every team we face knows this…….3 runs and send out the field goal team).
Our WRs…Smith is less that 300 yards from a 1000 yard season, he’s got 5 TDs.
Manningham is a hair under 500 yards with 4 TDs.
Nicks is over 400 yards, averages almost 18 ypc and also has 4 TDs…oh yeah, and he missed two games.
I really don’t think the absense of Plax is a problem and I for one am glad we didn’t trade any of our young, drama-free, diva-free WRs away.
by njgiant on Nov 10, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You proved my point
if all we can do is run in the red zone, isnt something wrong? Especially when Killdrive sweeps Jacobs on short yardage, it makes no sense. There is no threat from 20-30 yards out, our WRs arent big enough to make plays down that way.
I’ll agree Steve Smith might be one of the best in the league at what he does, but dont forget he’s been on a slide the past few weeks too, his numbers were padded by our soft schedule
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 10, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
so Plaxico's # weren't padded by a soft schedule?
2007 playoff was great. What did he do in 2008 that made the Giants 12-4? Decoy is not something you pay a guy $25 mill for.
He had one or 2 good games last year. That’s it. One of them was against Washington. How is that not “padding your stats”?
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats last year
youre trying to compare Steve Smith to his Plax; Burress had a track record of sustained success and had proven himself to be a top 5 receiver. Smith is emerging this year for sure, but you cant discount the lousy schedule he benefited from
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 10, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Buress has a record for being stupid
I’ll take the small hard working guy over the guy with loads of talent but wastes it in his sweatpants at a club 2 days before a game
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
On 3rd down, throw it to Smith.
by Willgfass on Nov 10, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was a dumb move no doubt
I suppose I should be more upset about our secondary anyway, right?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
by bren on Nov 10, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
At least KP didn't shoot himself in the leg literally
That’s my last response to you.
We’re going to have to agree to disagree, there’s nothing I can say that won’t make you think Buress isn’t the giant’s savior.
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
On 3rd down, throw it to Smith.
by Willgfass on Nov 10, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i am not sure if you realize this
but the NFL is more execution than playcaling
by haakeem the dream on Nov 8, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
little bit of both...
but I thought excecution was more to blame this game. The past 3 games it was more 60/40 playcalling/excecution.
They had the right idea today.
Gotta go for the TD tho …dammit.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is more
about execution than play calling but if the opposing defense knows your tendencies than execution is meaningless.
by FrankB0318 on Nov 8, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My main Sheridan complaint is that when we blitz, it seems to be ineffective....
Honestly, when has the blitzer been the one to record the sack? Last time I can think of it, it was TT about a month ago again the Raiders.
Some our blitzes look horribly designed., particularly when they bring heat and drop a DE back into coverage. I am growing tired of seeing AP or Clark coming on a blitz and getting completely rubbed out of the play.
That having been said, with the exception of the last drive, the D played considerably better this week than during the previous three losses. Still, the soft underbelly that is the middle of defense is being exposed, but that is more a personnel issue and less a matter of scheme.
by Step up and make big plays on Nov 8, 2009 8:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Really looks like guys are creeping up to the line too soon....
they creep up and they blitz. Really no one creeps up and drops into coverage over the middle (unless its TUCK…UGH!!!)
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tuck & Boley
Sheridan’s biggest goof is when he brings Boley in to blitz and then sends Tuck back to cover Gates. Horrible decision that burned us each time. I don’t get what’s “cerebral” about making poor calls.
by RolloT on Nov 8, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Confused
I’m confused. How does teams such as the Eagles and Chargers have blitzers run free at Eli. Yet, our blitzers rarely put any significant pressure on the QB?
by FrankB0318 on Nov 8, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Case in point....
I don’t recall at what point of the game it was (3rd qtr?), but there was a blitz where AP and Clark (I believe, possibly Boley) came through the same gap only to have the Chargers FB block Giants blitzer into the other, thus negating both. Yes, it does come down to execution and the FB made a heck of a play, but there’s something to be said about sending two LBs through the same gap simultaneously.
by Step up and make big plays on Nov 8, 2009 8:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
alirte. so um
whens the first game next year?
by haakeem the dream on Nov 8, 2009 8:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Plenty of blame
I’d focus on red-zone playcalling, too — but what happened to the first Tynes FG? I need to hear his explanation. He is a real weak link, just not clearly noticed because of all the other issues — Accorsi said he let Feely go because he missed those FGs against Seattle — but if Favre doesn’t throw the pic, then Tynes is the goat from the Green Bay game. I don’t trust him any more than a used car salesman.
by chingy98 on Nov 8, 2009 8:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think feagles had two hands on it or something
No replays at the meadowlands, and I didn’t really get what happened
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That was one of the dumbest things I ever saw..
Feagles handled that snap perfect..Tynes just plain had another brain fart..and it helped cost us another game..and you guys are right about his short kick-offs…Has this clown ever had a touchback?..He’s giving every team we play the advantage of a short field.
by Bobbiblue on Nov 9, 2009 4:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those mortar kicks were pretty cool though
Right over sproles head, that was priceless.
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
by Willgfass on Nov 9, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Plain and simple
You all need to change offensive & defensive coodinators and draft a new secondary this off season. After the loss to the Saints, you knew there was a blue-print out there for how to beat you. Okay, maybe you should get rid of your coach as well… but either way, you all need a new game plan and some solid players in the secondary. Any team with half-way decent QB has a shot to snatch games away from you almost at will. Your bad luck the last few weeks has been amazing… it’s like Steinbrenner sold YOUR souls for a Yankee championship…
by ArithMattic on Nov 8, 2009 8:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The person I blame for this loss is
Jeff Feagles…he wasn’t holding the ball correctly on the first field goal attempt…Tynes was trying to not kick through Feagles hands…that’s why it looked so out of sync
Then on his “directional punts” the only direction they seemed to head was right out of bounds. Punting the ball out of bounds 30 yards downfield and giving the Chargers field position that started on our side of the fifty three times is tough. One of those times, the defense came up big, but when you only have to go 45 yards for a TD, it’s tough to defend. We lost the battle of field position all game long and Feagles was the cause.
It seems that he has had these issues for a couple of weeks now as it started during the Cardinals game and hasn’t improved since. 20 years in the NFL and suddenly the wheels have fallen off…we may need to find someone else because the only touchdowns the Chargers scored were when he started them on our side of the field (except the last drive).
by DavidE on Nov 8, 2009 8:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
So many ways to lose a game ...
Penalties.
The bitzes that didn’t get there.
The “prevent offense” in the red zone.
Totally disheartening.
by Shofner85 on Nov 8, 2009 8:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Prevent offense
that’s classic, but so sad
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah your right Shof
The penalties, lousy blitzing, and what I now call our “No Zone” offense..Just awful..I knew if we let their offense on the field, we’d lose.
by Bobbiblue on Nov 9, 2009 4:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The offense
had a chance to step it up in this game and didn’t. Possessions aren’t good if you can’t use one to score a TD from inside the 5.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
by GAgiantfan on Nov 8, 2009 8:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
In a phrase, we played only 57 minutes
We got beat in the last drive. The Chargers didn’t even have a 3rd down on their last drive. They didn’t even have to call their last time-out. We were out-coached by Turner who forced the issue with his time-outs.
Plenty of blame to go around with this one. A full field worth of penalties. The only thing that worked consistently was the squib kick-offs.
by StubsNY on Nov 8, 2009 8:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Your right..
We were 2:37 minutes from a victory..that when our guys pants fell down..
by Bobbiblue on Nov 8, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
whoa
‘we were out-coached by turner….’
not often you see that statement.
by tulls200 on Nov 8, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tells you all you need to know about Coughlin's coaching then!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Nov 8, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom line..
You are not going to win a football game without all twenty two players on offense/defense playing 60 minutes of solid game..It ain’t going to happen..ever..Yeah Rouse looked much better than Brown..Boley seems like he can’t last a couple of series without getting hurt…Our team has a huge amount of talent (I think)..but they are being out coached and out played every week..Eli had a good day..AB and BJ had good days but they are not going to win a game on their own..The whole team needs to show up..I place full blame on the coaching.
by Bobbiblue on Nov 8, 2009 8:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Come on G Men!
Not here to rub salt. But really needed you guys today. I’ve never lost my voice screaming for the Giants before, but I laid it all out for you guys today. Showed some serious love for the meadowlands today.
What the eff is up with Coughlin? Try for 6! If the TD is no good you gottem’ pinned inside the 10 anyway and have won the field position battle. Your D was getting to Phyllis and you were stuffing LT/Sproles and would have been a nightmare to get out of that corner down there.
Tough loss. See you guys in a few weeks.
by c2c75 on Nov 8, 2009 8:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What the eff is up with Coughlin? Try for 6! If the TD is no good you gottem’ pinned inside the 10 anyway
Best case scenario, we score the TD. Worst case, we get stopped at the one and SD has 99 yards to go for a TD. They most likely play for a FG and they either miss and we win or the make it and the go to OT. 6 point lead with 2 minutes and a TO is a long time.
by njgiant on Nov 8, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wait till next year
At this point all I want to see is for Reese to get some new blood for the D and O coaching jobs. Also, starting looking at the college talent, Our Giants should have some fairly high draft picks
by Olddiehard on Nov 8, 2009 8:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
'fairly high'
as ‘fairly high’ as you thought we’d have after getting roasted by the vikings and dropping to 7-4 in ’07?
by tulls200 on Nov 8, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
D coaching
I think Reese gave them plenty of talent it’s up to the coaching staff to make them work..
by nickyb4898 on Nov 8, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bad Coaching
How the hell the Giants defense become such a horrible blitzing team ? After adding Umenyora , Boley , Canty , also after being one of the top blitzing team under Spagnola with basically the same team minus those guys..Can anyone explain ?Sheridan just doesn’t put those players in the right position to make plays.Every single time we blitz those blitzes get picked up that never happen under spagnola at least 3/4 of his blitzes always get to the quaterbacks ,our defense use to cause havoc now we are last in red zone defense .Sheridan have to go,he stinks.
by nickyb4898 on Nov 8, 2009 8:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Blitzing
The Giants LBs simply aren’t that athletic. Other than Boley you never see anyone beat a block.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 8, 2009 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Be nice if Sintim can show something in practice over the next couple weeks.
Maybe even Kehl.
Getting Canty and Boley some extened practice time, and possibly getting Ross back, may also help.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw sintim on special teams
I think…
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sintim
played a decent amount today at LB.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 8, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Once again TC must be held accountable. It’s abundantly obvious the AP and Danny Clark are not very athletic and not very good. It’s time to give younger more athletic LBs Goff and Kehl some significant playing time. AP has been a liability for 1 1/2 seasons.
by FrankB0318 on Nov 8, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sintim played a good amount today
- was in, I’m not sure how much they blitzed him but he played more than he has.
by Landeta on Nov 8, 2009 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Disagree......
Ed I disagree with you , because that’s the same LBs we had last year under Spagnola + we add Boley and Umenyora . The blitzing never was this bad , also Blackburn , Wilkinson , Tollefson they all use to play better for Spags and How come Tuck was much better last year ,now he has Umenyora and Kiwanuka next to him and he is much worse, that’s not the way it’s suppose to be.
by nickyb4898 on Nov 9, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah the LBs are too slow..
..And Boley got banged up again..He’s good but also very fragile..So as a unit, our LBs are just not good..Obviously, we knew the secondary was going to be a headache this year…I don’t think Webster was being schooled..He looks like he is trying to cover the field because he can’t rely on the other guys..I must say I like that Thomas kid though..and I don’t think Rouse looked all that bad..Our D-line is the biggest unpleasant surprise..and Canty is simply a multi-million dollar bench-warmer..That flubbed field goal cost us the game..I replayed that play a dozen times and can’t for the life of me figure out what Tynes was doing..the snap was perfect and so was the hold by Feagles, so I won’t believe anything he attempts to say to explain it..Even Simms was scratching his head..and our “No zone” offense continues to be just that.
by Bobbiblue on Nov 9, 2009 4:59 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gonna have to disagree with you Bobbi
While the botched field goal hurt us, it was still a 0-0 game with 3 1/2 quarters of football to go. Who’s to say that if the field goal is good, SD doesn’t run the insuing kickoff back for a TD, we just don’t know. I’m not going to put this loss on Tynes, especially with our “shut down corner” doing his best Elvis Patterson imitation. This was a team loss (ALL players and coaches included). We played 58 minutes of “close to the vest” football and lost in the last two minutes to a team “playing to win the game”.
First and goal from the 9, Rivers “throws” for a TD. First and goal from the 4, we take the ball from our “elite” QB and run and fail 3 times, there’s your ballgame right there. With Eli and Smith converting at will, why not give it one more shot and put the game to bed? Let’s just hope we can get a wild card.
by njgiant on Nov 9, 2009 7:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Coaching
Hey Ed. This is my first post. I have been a Giants fan for 50 yrs. You have a great Giants blog site, but I must take exception with your explanation of why the Giants lost. KG is the OC and he is the one calling the plays, not Coughlin. KG has done a terrible job this whole year. Its time for him to go and that goes for Sheridan also. They both don’t have a clue. You say that if the defense did their job we would not have lost! They did do their job, Terrell Thomas intercepted Rivers and gift wrapped it to the offense on the 4yd line, with a 1st and goal. Was it the defenses fault that Tynes decided not to kick the ball for a FG in the first quarter. Coughlin made the call to kick the last FG, which I disagreed with, but he was not calling the plays. This team badly misses Spagnolo and a real offensive coordinator!
by 56Giant56 on Nov 8, 2009 8:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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if the d did their job and it wasn’t their fault at all, then why is it time for sheridan to go? what if eli throws a pick on 3rd and goal? what if jacobs hammers that draw play in untouched? blah blah blah. playcalling and coaching are overrated.
by tulls200 on Nov 8, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But
In a situation like that it is the head coach who will tell the OC whether he is going for three or for seven. If he tells KG to try for seven, they throw.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 8, 2009 9:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you and I would hope so...
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by 27Tango on Nov 8, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry but........
what f#cking coach in that spot says to his OC, “let’s play for 3”. Again! Good teams, good coaches go for the jugular in that spot. Jeez throw a freaking fade. Defense play the run vs the Giants. Look how wide open Boss.
by FrankB0318 on Nov 8, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thing is...
you get nothing there, they only gotta get a FG.
Yea, I would rather a shot to the EZ.
But also…the D was shutting them down. They didn’t do CRAP until that last drive.
This is not on Gilbride. Its on the execution of the defense
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It is on Gilbride
It’s been on going. Giants first drive. They decline penalty. 2nd and 2. What does Killdrive call? Run between the tackles on 2nd down. Run between tackles on 3rd down. At what point do the coaches say what we’ve been running in short yardage has not worked. Let’s try something different.
by FrankB0318 on Nov 8, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
see, that's just you...
most would rather they run the ball with Jacobs on every down.
The only problem on that third and short was it had Bradshaw in there. That’s it.
Jacobs is in there, they get that. Now WHY they took him out? Who knows, but Jake tends to get banged up and really wouldn’t be effective.
Would I like the play action to Boss or something like that? Hell yea.
But to go and blame the fact the offensive like can’t block a middling defesive line 1 yard off the ball…your blaming the wrong guy.
Gilbride is just fine as the OC.
And also…I couldn’t give a rats ass what teh Patriots do.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 10:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Play-calling
You know it comes to this. It’s a great call if it works, lousy if it doesn’t. Gilbride did not lose this game.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 8, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nope.
Jacobs gets in, its all good (which he was close).
Actually, this game was won by Phillip Rivers.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also
I’ll repeat myself. Good teams go for the jugular. Do you think the Patriots run 4 running plays in that spot?
by FrankB0318 on Nov 8, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome aboard 56...
Your right..as a fellow long-time Giants fan, we are witnessing things that droves us crazy for years…but I never saw our defense over the years play so bad..It has always been the heart and soul of our team..Sheridan tells reporters to go talk to the players when they raise the question about the players complaining about communication problems..He needs to go..Gilbride is a nightmare..Yes we have young recievers, but they are not doing a bad job overall, we have a great QB in Eli and a dominant running game..Gilbride is incapable of putting a plan in place..He needs to go..I think Cughlin has started to fall asleep at the wheel. I have been a fan for 48 years and have never seen so much talent mis-used.
by Bobbiblue on Nov 9, 2009 5:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Some improvement
Eli looked good.
D was better(until the end)
Plenty to complain about, though (all of it covered above.)
If you’re going to hang the loss on the coaches, TC is the biggest culprit.
Actually, if SD’s receivers hadn’t dropped so many easy balls, we could have been blown out.
If they can’t regroup and come out of the bye week strong, hope for reaching the playoffs is nil.
by blue gonz on Nov 8, 2009 8:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I had to take some time to settle down here
Quick thoughts:
1) I bashed Gilbride in the past, but I thought this game was alot better. Not perfect, but better. We saw two screens that brought 18 yards, and then no more. My single biggest complaint with him, is the lack of play-action inside the red zone. I just don’t get why we ignore that part of Eli’s skill set. But I like the passes called (no big bombs, lots more quick stuff to get Eli in a groove).
2) My biggest complaint with the coaching is the timidity. I also have the misfortune of being a ‘Cuse fan, and while Doug Marrone has done wonders getting the energy level of his team up, he also calls a timid game. I am so sick and tired of hearing about “smart football”, and “playing the odds”. At some point you have to just go for the win. Playing not to lose, and giving your team the “best chance”, are not the same as playing to win the game, ESPECIALLY when a team is in a slump. I said it earlier, but having a long drive into the opposition’s territory, running up into a 4th and 1, and then punting or kicking a FG early is telling your team “we can’t make this, and I don’t trust the D to stop them when we don’t make it”. I see this every weekend, on two separate days, and it’s giving me ulcers.
3) I applaud not playing conservatively in the last two minutes, or playing a zone. It simply does not work when the other team is skilled and has time. But the blitzes need to be changes, and Tuck and Osi need to never, ever drop back in coverage again. I do remember the interview in the summer when Sheridan said he would not be doing that, and you lied to us Mr. Sheridan. I would like a reporter to call him on that.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Nov 8, 2009 9:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The lack of play action is a surprise
In madden, pretty much all the giant’s passing plays are playaction
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I Agree wit you on this one
Hey you could’ve took the words right out of my mouth. Hey I think Eli sucks, but not all the way. There are some aspects of his game that if he had the right offensive coordinator to accentuate those skills, he would be pretty good. One area where Eli is good is play-action, which I haven’t really seen a lot of this season. The Giants always thrived off of strong D, a strong run game, and controlling the clock. Our offensive line doesn’t play like they are hungry for another title, therefore our running game suffers. And the play calling sucks, too. Why try to run Jacobs to the side against a team with fast linebackers is beyond me. One thing that upper management didn’t bank on that is killing us now, is our lack of depth in our secondary which they must have took lightly before the season started. Unless our front four starts to put pressure on somebody, and our blitzing schemes stop looking as obvious as Eli running a draw play, stick a fork in us we’re done for this season.
by PaulieKnucklez1 on Nov 9, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This was supposed to be Giants SB and/or one game season ..
So what do the Giants do? They play not to lose.
I said it before (and got an earFULL from most of you!), and I’ll say it again: TC’s got to go. The HC sets the tone for the team. OC and DC call based on HC’s ‘direction and leadership’. It’s lacking. The team has lost it’s mojo ..
Go Gmen
by giants013 on Nov 8, 2009 9:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
The head coach is accountable. KG calls the plays during the game. Of course, TC has some input. I’m more concerned with what happens during the week in the meetings when they devise their game plan. In those meetings when do they say our play calling in the red zone and goal to go isn’t working. In those same meetings who decided to all but remove play action from the game plan. At what point does TC step in and make changes in the game plan? He’s the head coach he’s fully to blame.
by FrankB0318 on Nov 8, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Playcalling & Coaching
So let me get this straight Mr. tulls200. Playcalling and coaching are overated! Then you would say that if Wade Phillips coached the Patriots the last 10 yrs that they would have won 3 Super Bowls. If Ray Handley would have coached the Giants from 85 to 90 then they would have won 2 SB’s. If David Shula was coaching Florida the last 6 yrs that they would have won 2 National Titles. You are such a genious! Oh. by the way, what if Eli throws a TD pass to Boss like he did the time before?
Ed, are you saying that Coughlin handcuffed KG by telling him to call runnng plays only? I do not believe that for a second. You need to give me proof, not speculation. I need to hear it out of TC mouth before I buy into that. I am not sticking up for Coughlin, but I think he has done a terrible coaching job this year. I also think the players deserve some of the blame. Tuck is nowhere near his normal self. Coughlin should of sat him down for 4 or 5 wks after the Flozell Adams trip,
by 56Giant56 on Nov 8, 2009 9:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
well
you could easily spin the question the other way, and ask the following: would bill belicheck have won 3 SBs with the detroit lions? sure, maybe — but how could you answer that question for certain?
all i’m saying is that when things start to turn a little sour, everyone unfairly places way too much blame on the coaches and playcalling, and not enough on execution (or, on something that’s also overlooked by the “experts”: luck.)
by tulls200 on Nov 8, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Read TC's post-game quotes
Yes, it most definitely was TC’s decision to play it close to the vest and rely on the defense.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 8, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well TC and his vest
will get an early Wet Willie for me. We should have stomped them out…….but we let em off the hook.
by njgiant on Nov 8, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
TC does not need to go!
They played with energy and were ready Until the last drive they played a typicall Giants game. Yes I disagree with not taking a shot on the last drive after the pick but if Feagles handles the snap and Tynes hits the FG they win. They will play tough down the streatch it just might not be enough and I think they’ve lost some confidence which will hurt them in close games.
by Landeta on Nov 8, 2009 9:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Bottom-line they lost..
TC need not go, but he better wake up because his staff is not getting it done..and Feagles did handle that snap..There was absolutely no reason for that idiot Tynes to pull up..I watched that play over and over..He left three points on the ground for no reason that I’ll ever believe from him.
by Bobbiblue on Nov 9, 2009 5:25 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I cant help but think.....
about Plaxico right now. We were 10-1 and truly the best team in the league till he shot himself and the rest is history. We def were on our way to a 2nd world title!!!! Now look at what we have after todays critical loss. The window of oppurtunity may be closing here guys and real fast. Am i wrong to think this way?
by giantsNYrangers on Nov 8, 2009 9:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What the....
This really freakin’ stinks! The giants season is going down the pipes which makes the Yankees winning the world series even sweeter. I was hoping for a yankees and giants championship back to back.
by Yankeecrazy on Nov 8, 2009 9:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Time for a shake up
The coaching for this team is beyond dreadful. Last week I thought the coordinators would have to go. Now it’s clear that Coughlin is the problem — old, befuddled, out of touch with today’s pro football, making choices that would have been clever two decades ago, but are stupid now. What we’re seeing here is a total meltdown of a formerly strong organization. This season is over. Time to rebuild.
by AreGiantsToast on Nov 8, 2009 10:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
Maybe you should change your name to “not yet”.
Cougnlin’s out of touch? in well, 4 games now?
You don’t go 17-5, then cuz you lose 4 games in a row become “out of touch”.
Coughlin’s not getting fired, not unless they don’t win another game or if NEXT SEASON they play like crap.
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We're a long way from needing to rebuild
We’re in a huge slump and let one get away today. We don’t need to rebuild, we need to get healthy on D and agressive on O and D.
by njgiant on Nov 8, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Wild card still possible
Schedule does not get better but four straight wins off the bye week puts this in a different light.
Changes? Mostly on D.
Rouse is an improvement (I think) but Clark needs to sit. And AP needs protection. Remember when Matt Millen played MLB for the Raiders? Run? He was another DT. Trotter at Philly too. A good defensive coordinator can cover for a player’s weaknesses. But this should be AP’s last year. Goff better be up for it or a draft choice will need to be made.
Sheridan needs some help – he seems overmatched. The defensive players seem dazed and confused. Spags would not let that happen.
Changes? Start Nicks and Smith. Kehl over Clark. Either Thomas or Ross at safety. Get the best players on the field. Period. Athleticism and energy can make up for a lot.
by MSP Giant on Nov 8, 2009 10:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What They All Said ............
Coughlin : We Play to Win the Game?
Spagnola : Give me Liberty or Give me Death !!!
Sheridan : Missed you Pow ; Where are you ?
Killdrive : I am the Man ; With me You Always Know What’s Coming !!!
Special team coach :Hey Giants Fans ; Give me a Break , You Know I Don’t have Tyree
anymore!!!
by nickyb4898 on Nov 8, 2009 10:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the losses bring em all out I guess......
DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 8, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Question for you Ed
How did Rouse do?
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
by Willgfass on Nov 8, 2009 10:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wild Card?
Yeah, there was some improvement on offense: clock management, play calling, better communication field. But the bottom line is we lost and are now 5-4 with some really tough games coming up, while defense only went from bad to poor. What is it with some people? After four losses in a row they’re still comparing this team to other teams, 07 team and repeating the mantras of ‘no need to panic’ and ‘lots of talent.’
by Deal With It on Nov 8, 2009 11:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hate to say "I told you, so!"
Two weeks ago, I predicted 5 – 4, at the bye! Given the games remaining after the bye, the Giants will need luck to go 8 – 8! I watched the Chargers and Phillip Rivers take the ball with 2:00 minutes to play and march right down the field! No Pass Rush, No Pressure to speak of…as long as that continues, this team won’t win many more games. I’ve come to the realization that they just aren’t very good! San Diego is a “middle of the pack” caliber team and for them to come to the Meadowlands and win, means they played an inferior opponent, below “middle of the pack”. Other than Washington, I don’t see the Giants winning another game, this season!
by bubba23 on Nov 8, 2009 11:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Stick a pin in our balloon guys..
Our season is deflated.
by Bobbiblue on Nov 9, 2009 5:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to 2006 Giants Football
Penalties, bad red zone offense, bad late-game defense. This game had all the stuff I thought we left behind three seasons ago.
I don’t think the season’s over — not by a long shot. This team is good enough to beat Atlanta and Denver the next two weeks. But I’m really anticipating the offseason, because I’d really love to see Reese and Coughlin gut the middle of the defense, starting with #58.
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by All Shook Down on Nov 9, 2009 8:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Really hate to say this...
But if we need 10 wins to make the WC, it’s not looking good.
Assuming we
- we knock off teams with losing records (Redskins, Panthers),
- we lose to teams with only one loss currently (Bronocs, Vikings),
we would need to beat at home Altanta, Dallas, and Eagles. Not impossible, but winning all three of those games seems like a stretch, I hate to say. Or is that crazy talk?
by coops2001 on Nov 9, 2009 2:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not crazy talk.....
Division champion Bucs, on the road. Division champion Cowboys, on the road. Division champion Packers, on the road. Undefeated Patriots, “on the road”.
Tough job, but it can……it HAS been done before.
by njgiant on Nov 9, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we can take the broncos
And the vikings, it may be the reverse of last year. Viking already have the division, while we need to win to get into the playoffs.
Of course our 1st team will manhandle the viking’s second string, unlike last year where the Vikings needed carney to miss his fg to win.
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
On 3rd down, throw it to Smith.
by Willgfass on Nov 9, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Steve Serby of the NY Post predicts 9-7
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/giants_playoff_mission_impossible_v1QiUrEmORLoyivby6yoYI
I think 10-6 is a stretch (hope I’m wrong). The game against Atlanta will be telling. If we can’t beat the 5-3 Falcons at home, we may be done at 5-5 (vs. 6-3 Falcons and possibly 6-3 Eagles if they beat 5-3 SD). If we walk away at 6-4, we have hope.
by coops2001 on Nov 10, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not one of these overly optimistic rah rah
Giant fans! We have 4 losses right now. A win against Arizona and the Chargers was crucial with how our schedual is looking. We do not get a break really the rest of the way till we play Wash and the Panthers and by that time it will be too late. Giants are better off losing the rest of the way. We are playing for draft picks now like it or not!
by giantsNYrangers on Nov 9, 2009 3:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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