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Can somebody communicate the problem to Bill Sheridan?

I really want to believe Bill Sheridan is up to the task of being defensive coordinator for our New York Giants. I have to believe it. If I allow myself to admit Sheridan can't do the job then I have to admit this season is doomed to be a flop. I can't -- I won't -- start thinking that way yet.

Sheridan isn't making it easy, though. We all know his defense has been inexplicably terrible the past three weeks -- even he knows it. Watching teams basically have their way with the Giants defense the past few weeks has been hard enough.

Then Sheridan makes it even tougher -- at least for me -- by giving what I find to be some incredibly bizarre answers about apparent defensive communication issues during his meeting with reporters Thursday.

Star-divide

First, Sheridan said this in trying to find a reason for many of the big plays the Giants have given up.

"One guy is running one defense and some guy is running something else."

OK. So, that's a classic indication that there is confusion, or lack of communication.

Then, asked directly about communication Sheridan gave an answer I still can't believe. And I have read and re-read the exchange a bunch of times. Here it is.

Q. When people like Justin Tuck and Antonio Pierce say there is a problem with communication, what do they mean?

A. You have to ask them. I don’t know what they are talking about. They haven’t come to me regarding that. I am not trying to shut the question down but particularly I don’t know, you have to ask them. They could explain it to you, what they are referring to.

Q. You sense no problem in communication?

A. No, no. But, if there is, I would love to hear about it.

What? You'd love to hear about it? Hey, Bill, have you been watching the games? Do you have access to game films? I can show you the games on my DVR. Somebody actually has to tell you there are communication breakdowns? Good God!

What do you think it means when "one guy is running one defense and some guy (cough, cough, 'Bad, Bad C.C. Brown') is running something else?" Or when defensive backs start arguing with each other after plays? Or when your entire defensive line ends up on one side of the center? Or when Antonio Pierce is so frantically trying to get all the out-of-position players to line up properly that his back is turned when the ball is snapped?

Somebody get the man some glasses. Or binoculars. Or directions to the film room. Or a seat in the coaches box upstairs.

If the man can't see what we can plainly figure out on our television screens, and what Giants defenders are plainly admitting to, that worries me.

If he can't see the problem, how can he fix the problem?

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I've seen this elsewhere too

and it scares the crap out of me. Hopefully its just a misunderstanding of the definition of poor communication … i.e. plays not getting into AP or something.

by potroast on Nov 6, 2009 10:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Somebody check his pulse...

…it appears to be weak and thready. Does he communicate with anybody during the game? Every time they show him he looks like a mute.

by Last year in Sec 127 on Nov 6, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, well

It still is every time I read it. I think I better stop.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 6, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Once i started to read your story

And when i got to the part where your opinion now, seems to be in a tougher bind, i really didn’t want to click on the bizarre link. I didn’t realize it was a transcript. As one to keep the calmness of paranoia around here to a tolerant level, and then express concern, then it could be greater than what we know!

We need you to keep strong, for the sake of BBV. We already have people jumping off the ledge. As for the transcript, i wasn’t thinking “good god”, close, but more along the lines of (while i’m shaking my head), OMFG!

by Hootman on Nov 6, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ledge

Oh, I’m not jumping off the ledge. No way. I believe in this team. I just couldn’t help but feel like Sheridan came off sounding like a guy who really doesn’t have a handle on the situation.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 6, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Mccoy TD run

I have just seen the McCoy TD run looking from the end zone.

I hope that the players just got the play wrong rather than it was designed to be like that by Sheridan as he had the LB covering the gap betweenthe CN and LT run outside Osi.

Based on the above conversation I hope TC gives him the game against the Chargers to do a better job, otherwise he should go during the bye week and give the Giants 7 weeks to save the season.

by G Fan in England on Nov 6, 2009 11:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

3 weeks...

a gang of points…but yet there’s no communication problem?!?!

and according to BS none of it’s mental…it’s all physical. it’s all execution…the players fault basically. if that’s the case than we have some of the worst defensive players in football….and that I will refuse to believe!

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Nov 6, 2009 11:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well

We do have Brown and Rouse and D Clark and Bernard so you both might be right!

by G Fan in England on Nov 6, 2009 11:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sheridan

Well at-least now I understand why the defense looks so bad, the coordinator have no idea whats going on. looks like he just keep sending in the same play no matter if its 1st down or 3rd and long, just keep rushing the front four even though the other team have already figured it out.

by rbman3 on Nov 6, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Actually, it's the complexity of the D

He’s not sending one play in, but two?

One part of the D does this, and the other part does that. He’s trying to outsmart the offense with confusion!

by Hootman on Nov 6, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol....

BS said that we’re not getting gashed at the line and not giving up big plays….

first of all…we are….

second of all…is that a good thing? Should we be jumping for joy that teams are methodically moving the ball down the field on us at will?!?!

Sheridan wants our Corners to re -route the WR’s at the line….while he has them playing zone. Is it even possible for Webster to jam 2 guys at the line simultaneously because all teams are doing now is going with 4 even 5 wide to attack a confused secondary….that according to BS isin’t confused at all.

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Nov 6, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think its more...

Sheridan was taking it as a slight against him. The way the questioned was asked…it seemed like the question asked whether he had miscommunication with Tuck and Pierce, which Sheridan was probably right, that’s all.

If they asked if there was miscommunication among the players on certain plays…thats’ a little more specific.

Really…I think this is just one of those quotes that people can spin one way…..as in to make him seem clueless.

He may be, but I don’t think he answer portrays that, its just the way the question is asked.

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 6, 2009 11:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

little bit of A...

little bit of B.

….Sunday…we’ll know if its A or B.

I still say its the context of the question…and he just doesn’t want to put it out there.

Tho the answer he game is a little weird. Could have gave the Couglin “we’ll work on it” ……

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 6, 2009 12:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Could be, Free

He is justifiably a little ‘defensive,’ pardon the pun. But, he has to be able to see the issues on the field. He makes it sound like he doesn’t.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 6, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know...

its just, well a press conference. Could have answered differently to make us all feel better? Of course.

Yet…making the fans and media feel better now is meaningless. If he makes everyone feel better now..yet the same manure happens on Sunday..well, he’s just BS’ing us.

The only way it matters is if they play better on Sunday.

I’d rather him BS with the clueless idea and look like an idiot savant on Suday..than seem like a politician who BS’s us on Friday and the same bullcrap happens on Sunday.

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 6, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not to go political

But Sheridan at this point may be doing just that? Evading important issues that are brought up, only to give off the wall answers to hide an insecurity? An insecurity that he knows is a problem, but is better swept under the rug so theres no public consumption? IDK, is BS a conservative that will take his time and try to find an answer, but at the same time, looking like a fool! He has no time to speak of!

On the other hand, a politician will BS you from sun up to sun down. I can’t believe i’m saying this, but atleast they know there are problems (which in turn, i feel like a moron for suggesting Sheridan may be political) but politicians do say anything whether it’s coherent or not. Thats why they’re elected, because they tell people what they want to hear!

In the grand scheme, politicians have terms to BS their way around. Sheridan only has weeks, if he’s lucky. I’d rather him be truthful, with an ounce of integrity than be political an to write it off as an unknown.

by Hootman on Nov 6, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

disclaimer...

i’m not calling for BS’s head…nor am i giving up on this season…

but i think it’s pretty obvious that during pre season we were dealing w/ the same issues.

When opposing teams get a lead, BS gets conservative and plays zone trying to prevent the “big play” and sure enough it bites us in the a.ss ever time. we’re now headed into week 9 and it looks like nothing has changed…yes we won 5 games and 4 of them were against horrible horrible teams….that we never had to play from behind.

please BS, change your approach and we will get back on track.

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Nov 6, 2009 11:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I've said it before guys...

Sheridan is a mummy..He is out of touch with reality..and when you see him he is three deep back on the sideline instead of being right there on the edge pumping his fists and spurring the defense on..He is an IDIOT..as the comments he just made prove..They claim he is “Cerebral”..Since when did you ever see a defensive coordinator “Cerebral”???..They need to be animated maniacs..This guy has destroyed our defense..and I submit that the schemes haven’t changed all that much and he just can’t deal with it..If you watch you’ll see him back by the bench scratching his head versus on the sideline spurring his defense on..This guy is flat-out awful..He fends off or deflects questions regarding lack of communications back to players?!!!!..Hey idiot, if your players are saying it…what the hell are you doing about it?!!!!

by Bobbiblue on Nov 6, 2009 11:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

and another thing..

If he is telling Sportwriters to go back and ask the players about lack of communications, then perhaps the writers should run our defense, because apparently they’ll be the only ones who get the answers and can devise a way to correct it..I have a new nickname for Sheridan: “Corn”..Why?..It is the only vegetable that can pass thru your digestive system unscathed!!…TC please get rid of this bum..

by Bobbiblue on Nov 6, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Bill knows whats coming...
Q. With the Chargers’ propensity to throw deep balls how critical is it to cut down on those big plays this week?


A. I am hoping that they don’t throw the ball down the field at all.

Umm Bill, have you given any team a reason NOT, to go deep?

A. No, no. But, if there is, I would love to hear about it.

by Hootman on Nov 6, 2009 11:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hoot..somebody

Painted a target on Brown..Which will be their passing game plan and that will be where Rivers throws..they will send their guys out there directly at him and Rivers will go for it everytime he tosses one..and since Sheridan deferred questions about lack of communications back to the players..They will run at will against us..Get ready to go 5-4 everybody.

by Bobbiblue on Nov 6, 2009 11:57 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

A BS Defense

Ed i am with you buddy, I hope and pray that Sherican can step up and fix this mess. However the more I watch this defense and here the players talk I keep having vision of the 06 Tim Lewis Defense. I am not ready to concede the season yet, but to me BS has 8 games to prove he can hang with the big dogs.

by Late for Dinner on Nov 6, 2009 11:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just finished rationalizing

that things weren’t bad and none of our speculation matters at the pro level, we’re just “armchair coordinators” and now THIS?
It makes it sound as though there is a poor or even antagonistic relationship between the coordinator and the unit. Whenever you hear the answer “You’d have to ask them,” I’m hearing the answer of one party in a fight. That scares me. These guys have GOT to be on the same page. Cohesion and unity of vision are keys to winning.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Nov 6, 2009 12:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Just finished rationalizing?

Me, too.
Sounds like a fight?
It takes tortuous reasoning to conclude otherwise.
Seeing that it was the players who pulled him down from the box on high, it seems like the challenge to him came at the get go.
I hope I’m wrong.
If I’m not, the road ahead will be rockier than the one traversed in the last three games.
A fight=mutiny?
How do you handle a mutiny? Traditionally, by hanging the mutineers. Can’t do that, so…?
Enough. Just a fever dream. Two lorazepam plus a nap and it’ll dissipate.

by blue gonz on Nov 6, 2009 12:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

PS

As FB said, we’ll be able to reach firm(er?) conclusions after Sunday’s game.

by blue gonz on Nov 6, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well, it almost seems like a foregone conclusion to this point

With everything that has happened, said and done (or lack of). I’m still anxious to see if Boley and Canty (presumably in a limited role) can make a difference. It’s fair to say that BS has been somewhat handcuffed with the talent to this point and know one should ignore that. Thats why i think this game, the bye week and the following game, will show what character we have!

It may seem like a small amount of time, but if your still losing, then there is not enough time in the season to make up the difference of what was lost. Then, i think it will be conclusive!

by Hootman on Nov 6, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He knows

what level of suckiness the defense has sunk to (and I’ll wager that the offense has sunk at least as far). When he said “I am not trying to shut the question down…” what he meant to say was “Shut the hell up and ask me something different for once!” Ironically, I think he was trying to do just that. Shut it down.
He knows how bad the defense has played, but apparently he doesn’t want to call anyone out, and whatever answer he has to give, he’ll give it. Even at the risk of sounding semi-retarded.

We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.

by GAgiantfan on Nov 6, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

And

If those guys do believe there is a communication problem, how come Sheridan doesn’t know about that? It’s Thursday. He should havce known for days already.

And how can he say “I don’t know, you have to ask them.” and then the next sentence is “No. No communication problems thanks.”

by Jaybat on Nov 6, 2009 2:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

JMJ

This is about as bad as it gets. Three back-to-back bad losses, dysfunction eveywhere, and now it seems conflicts between the DC and defense.

Where is Coughlin? No sense of urgency by coaches, and now questions as to unity.

by Deal With It on Nov 6, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Here's the communication problem...

I remember reading that Donovan McNabb said (was it here, perhaps) (and if he says it, so do others) that they “knew” what defenses the Giants were in, and how to attack those.

This is classic. Review tape. Spot tendancies. Exploit tendancies.

The GMen have something obviously glaring that the quality QBs and coaches are attacking. It is up to the coaches to be able to disguise where they are going.

by StubsNY on Nov 6, 2009 4:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Our game plans...

Are so vanilla a blind guy could read them..Let’s all face it we have the worst coordinators in the league..It is a shame to have all this talent and send in such crappy plays to have them execute..What a nightmare we’re watching!

by Bobbiblue on Nov 6, 2009 6:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

WHOA!

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 6, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree on the vanilla game plan tho...

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 6, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I am not at Bill Sheridan fan, so bare with me...

ED wrote..

If the man can’t see what we can plainly figure out on our television screens, and what Giants defenders are plainly admitting to, that worries me.
If he can’t see the problem, how can he fix the problem?

Two days ago, I put forth a fanpost saying that despite Bill’s request to run the defense from the booth upstairs; Coughlin demanded he be on the sideline like Spags.

If memory serves me right the late, great Jim Johnson of the Eagles called the defense from upstairs??

If you got promoted and are now in charge of the defense BUT you had to run it the same way that your previous boss did… What would you say???"

I just think that if the guy feels he can do a better job from the booth, looking down on the field, then he should get that chance to improve the defense’s play
before “WE” get to fire him !!!

by NY17NE14 on Nov 6, 2009 10:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well NY...

Jim Johnson only went up to the booth after his pain became unbearable..Prior to that he was on the sideline…He simply was no longer able to physically stand on the field anymore.

by Bobbiblue on Nov 7, 2009 1:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the info

All I could picture were the shots of him up in the booth with his Eagles hat on and the only thing I could picture on the sideline was Andy Reid with his take-out menu in hand.

As for Sheridan, like I said, I’m not a fan of him, but as a GIANTS fan I’m willing to try anything to get this defense playing up to expectations. Wait, strike that,
playing up to a level that atleast gives the offense a chance to win the game.

by NY17NE14 on Nov 7, 2009 9:37 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bobbi, I think it better for a coach locate himself where he feels most comfortabe. It's

not as though being up high is an aberration, There are other DCs who do it besides Sheridan, although I can’t specify names at the moment, I know the Colts DC coaches from the sky box. You can certainly see what’s going on much better from up there. I know you like an animated sort on the sideline. That type shoud definitely coach fron the sideline. Well Sh isn’t that sort. He doesn’t have to be to be a good coach. Lots of good coaches have been calm, unemotional types like Landry, Bud Grant, etc. I think TC made a mistake to order Sh to stay on the sidelines just because P wanted it. It immediately undermined Sh’s authority. The players bonded with Spags and seem to want a Spags clone. Well, that’s not who they got. Still, they’re pros and should out as much for him as they did for Spags. Also, we’d get better idea of his ability if he coached his way rather than the players way. It’s hard to judge his competency when he can’t even choose for himelf where he’ll be during a game. If he’s where he thinks he should be he’s see more and probably be able to make faster and better adjustments.

by blue gonz on Nov 7, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well Blue..

I see your point..I just feel DCs are better on the sideline where they can get into one on one contact with the players..For instance if they have four guys they need to get up front with, it is awful hard to do over a headset..I think the players prefer to have their lead coaches on the field with them..It is sort of like Nascar..Your a Coordinator with spotters up in the box relaying information down to the head dogs to make decisions and adjustments…Guys like Landry and Grant were stoics, but their player listened to every word they said..You want the guys that lead be in the foxhole with you..right beside you.

by Bobbiblue on Nov 7, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Films, films and films

Why is it that other teams seem to know what our Giants are going to do in offense and defense. Yet it seems we haven’t a clue what they are going to do. I read about other teams
study films for hours on end. Yet all these three weeks I have not read a line about our team
studying films about the opponents

by Olddiehard on Nov 7, 2009 1:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I'd be shocked if they didn't

watch as much film as at least the average # of hours for an NFL team.

by blue gonz on Nov 7, 2009 6:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

i saidd this at the beggining of the season

but nobody validated my claim that losing spags will be huge

by karamjitm9090 on Nov 7, 2009 8:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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