New York Giants News & Notes: Ugly Loss Hangover
I've remained pretty optimistic about the Giants all season, thinking there was no way that the team which looked so good in going 5-0 could really be as bad as they looked against the Saints and the Eagles. Tough losses to the Cardinals and Chargers didn't even bother me as much as they otherwise would, because the Giants easily could have won those games. But the loss to the Broncos is the worst yet, and has me doubting whether the Giants are even a playoff team, let alone a Super Bowl team. The Giants have 10 days until a make or break game against the Cowboys with their season quite literally on the line.
Tom Coughlin was not happy with the loss. He seems most disappointed in the Giants inability to control the running game on both sides of the ball:
"As I said last night, football to me is that you have to run the ball and stop the run. Those are the first things you do have to do to put yourself in a position to be able to take advantage of the various aspects of your plans and your talent. When you don’t do that you’re really putting a magnifying glass on some of these other aspects of the game. It’s not surprising sometimes that it doesn’t come out well. As I said last night, we did not stop the run. We didn’t give ourselves opportunities to run the ball because there really wasn’t much continuity. We didn’t have a lot of opportunities. We didn’t make a lot of first downs, we didn’t do a lot of the things that we knew were the reasons that people had defeated Denver in the last four games were because of, we didn’t do those things."
Shaun O'Hara thinks the problem is that the Giants aren't running the ball enough:
"The only way, in my eyes, to get back on track is to keep doing it and do it more. I think, as offensive linemen, we are always going to complain that we aren’t running the football enough. That is kind of our M.O. We want to run the ball more. Quarterbacks and receivers, we are going to have discussions with them every single day, they want to throw it, we want to run it. That is a constant battle. I am not going to be happy until we have 35-40 carries in a game."
On the defensive side of the ball, Barry Cofield thinks the problem is individual responsibility, not the coaching scheme:
"I’m a guy who always leans towards individual accountability. Guys just have to make plays. Guys have to be in their gaps. There were instances last night where guys weren’t where they were supposed to be. Guys weren’t necessarily making the plays on the ball that they should have. Guys weren’t beating their guys upfront."
- Tim Smith of the Daily News says that the Giants are becoming a disgrace. Hey, it could be worse - they could be one of the NY/NJ area basketball teams.
- Danny Ware's fumble cost the Giants big time on Thursday.
- Antonio Pierce saw a neck specialist who confirmed that he has a bulging disk, meaning his season still hangs in the balance.
- On the coaching front, Gary Myers says that the Tom Coughlin must be held accountable for the Giants collapse, and Jay Greenberg thinks the Giants should fire Bill Sheridan immediately. I have to say that I can't totally disagree with either of them.
- Giants (and apparently De La Salle) great Amani Toomer has seemingly called it quits. I liked his quote about his short stint with the Chiefs:
"I played 13 years in a great organization like the Giants. I was in a preseason game with Kansas City and it felt like it wasn't pro football to me"
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Thank u mr. Ohara.
Finally someone said it. We aren’t the colts or the pats. Were not a premier passing team. We need to get back to running the ball. 12 carries a game for big Brandon? I don’t think so. But then again. Running the ball has nothing to do with our inability to play defense
by haakeem the dream on Nov 28, 2009 1:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
mixed feelings
the line hasnt been able to pass block or run block at all lately. Until they can get their yards per average up I say keep throwing the ball. I am a big fan of the screen. Eli has won more games this year than the running backs let him keep it up. The defense has been the side of the ball thats blowing these games.
oops I crapped my pants!
by TheWenz on Nov 28, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
run it
They have gotten away from the run too early too often. Against the Saints we got down 7-0 on their first possession they came out and threw the ball three times and punted instead of trying to run the ball first. We cannot keep up with the Saints in a shoot out everyone knew/knows that but the first series play calling was trying to do just that.
This has always been a running organization our Defense isn’t helping that this year but when they spend more time on the field than the O it isn’t any easier
by Ando81 on Nov 28, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree we've gotten away from the run too often
But I also want to pass it more to our receiving crew
Mixed feelings, that’s why I’m not a coach
Single cover the real Steve Smith at your own peril
by Willgfass on Nov 28, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Saying it
and doing it are different things. I’m not confident this O-line can effectively run block.
by FrankB0318 on Nov 28, 2009 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think
you have to try. Remember the Baltimore and Pittsburgh games last year, especially Pittsburgh. Not a lot of yardage running, but the Giants stayed with it and won the game.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 28, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That win could also be attributed to
Roethlisberger having 4 interceptions. I don’t think our commitment to the running game won that game for us.
Versus Baltimore, we were destroying them through the run. Actually, we destroyed the whole team, it was 30-10 if I recall correctly.
Single cover the real Steve Smith at your own peril
by Willgfass on Nov 28, 2009 8:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Myers and Greenberg hit it square on the head
especially the latter. Nothing we have seen should give someone confidence that Sheridan can turn this around. Coughlin has in the past, but like Greenberg said, it took a coordinator change to get it done. Can anyone explain why we shouldn’t go that route again?
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by bigbluethruandthru on Nov 28, 2009 4:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sheridan
Sheridan should be fired soon. He arranges the defense like Tim Lewis did. I forget his name, but they shouldv’e looked into the D line coach. Spags molded this defense into something great, and that guy was definitely part of the reason. He helped make a mighty D line. Have thew Giant LBs been good since the 80s/early 90s? Why choose a LB coach to lead the D then?
by Mopey Dick on Nov 28, 2009 4:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that was
the one thing that really had me head scratching over the offseason. the linebackers have been consistently mediocre, i don’t get why they promoted from an area of weakness.
by cntrlalt on Nov 28, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sheridan
He’s the guy Spags actually recommended. Spags always said Sheridan is the guy he turned to for ideas on blitz packages, what defense to play, etc. That’s actually kind of scary.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 28, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think thats just a lot of nice talk
I think Spags made those comments after Sheridan was hired what was he supposed to say Sheridan is a good position coach and had a few nice ideas but he’d would’nt be my first choice to be D-Coordinator. Of course he’s going to talk him up. Spags also looked to hire McDermot from Philly to be his DCordinator and never really considered Sheridan.
by Landeta on Nov 28, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Watching Sheridan..and seeing the product he puts on the field each week..
Makes me really wonder..He is a mummy on the sideline where Spags was a animated cheerleader..I know Spags reportedly recommended him but he isn’t a good DC..maybe a decent sounding board, but not a good DC..
by Bobbiblue on Nov 28, 2009 8:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Spags recommended him so whenever his Rams play us they would know that we have a moron for DC
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 29, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
"Tim Smith of the Daily News says that the Giants are becoming a disgrace."
It could be worst. We could root for the jets
Single cover the real Steve Smith at your own peril
by Willgfass on Nov 28, 2009 5:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I understand TCs points, especially
running the ball and stopping the run. How about just saying we didn’t stop anything (run, pass, tick plays, etc)?
We keep nickle-and-diming at little things when the absolute whole package sucked. There was nothing to be magnified, as Coughlin said, because every aspect was out-of-kilter.
Crap, see it for what it is and just admit that the team wholly embarassed the GWOF on Thursday night.
GWOF=Giants Way of Football
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
by GAgiantfan on Nov 28, 2009 5:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dillusions
is what i call thinking the Giants are making the playoffs. They do not have one single thing to be positive and build on, all 3 phases of the game need to be fixed. Though I wouldn’t be shocked if they beat the Cowboys…….lol yeah I’m kidding, I don’t think they can beat the Redskins at this point, start playing all the young guys and see what we have for next year, maybe they will suprise people and do something this year.
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Nov 28, 2009 6:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know..
I look back on the beginning of the season and truly saw promise..The slide has us all grasping at straws..Some guys think it is the players other guys point at the coaches, now everybody is starting to point at Reese..I believe it is the coaching staff and then the players..all of them..Sheridan and Gilbride need to go and as much as I can’t stand McDaniels at least the little arrogant twirp got in his players faces..That rant he gave them didn’t bother me at all..He’s the head coach and he let them have both barrels..Spags was not only a great planner, he was an animate cheerleader, Sheridan is a bozo..Gilbrides plans stink..and Coughlin needs to do something about it…and Now
by Bobbiblue on Nov 28, 2009 6:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think we agree that
there was some kind of potential with this group. We might not all agree, though, that potential is worthless if we never realize or play like it.
I hand this one more to TC and BS and KG.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
by GAgiantfan on Nov 28, 2009 7:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Giants giants
Giant,swhat giants will the real giants please show up. for the last 5 weeks they sucked maybe the def. co should be up in the Booth. he can,t get it right from the sideline. and maybe just maybe kilbride will grow some balls take more shots at the inzone when in the redzone . T.C. for get that green zone B/S. No matter what you call it you still have to get in the end zone
by muttsey88 on Nov 28, 2009 8:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Kilbride
Send kilgame to the rams Send Sheridan up to the booth.Replace kilgame with a high school coach.
by muttsey88 on Nov 28, 2009 9:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
BIG BLU FANS BLEEDING OUT!!!!
This is my 1st time reading all these posts and they are very insightful as we Big Bluers cant understand how we became so terminal so fast.. As I scream at my TV, I seem to be consistentlt asking myself the same questions, are you also seeing this:
1) Why do I consistently see Canty, Tuck and Kiwi covering backs and tight ends down field. What kind of NFL defense think they could succeed at doing this?? Is this Defensive Coordinator for real? Well not this one this is part of the reasons you see tumble weeds around the opponents receivers. Doesnt this also affect our ability to pressure the QB, oh yeah a problem as well…
2) I love the young talent at WR but not all at once. Please call Toomer and apologize to this insane way he left and reinstate this NY Giants legend. Moss can be on the team but not Tommer… PLEASE, YOUR KILLIN ME!!
3) Our O’Line – I love everyone one of you guys, you remind me of the 80’s lunch pail line of Oates, Ard, Benson, Roberts, Jumbo. But one major difference, you guys seem to have given-up, its real obvious. I know its not a talent thing because you have that. Its not scheme thing because you know how to block everything you are up against. With a heavy heart I must say its a heart issue, you guys lack it and it looks ugly to see guys I never heard of all over ELI. What the “f” guys, everyone one of us fans would trade positions with you if we were blessed the same gifts that you have, NOW GET TO WORK AND STOP FEELING SORRY FOR YOURSELFS. Oh yeah, THIS GOES TO THE D’LINE as well!
4) Secondary and pass rush – I couldnt articulate how pathetic it is and do it justice in this blog. Injuries are no excuse!!!
5) COACHES – Tom you turned my opinion around of you because you won the big one. I am quickly thinking that you have no control over this team of heartless deadbeats, it began in last years loss to the Eagles in the playoffs. They lack motivation and I place that on your shoulders. Last time you used the leadership counsel, any other tricks up your sleeves?? If not Steve Marauchi would look good in Blue..
by SANDIEGOGIANTSFAN on Nov 28, 2009 10:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
more like +1/4
some of your points are good.
Getting toomer back now would be a waste of a spot. Toomer can’t play special teams, Moss at least does.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
by Willgfass on Nov 29, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeh but
Moss isn’t the best special teams player, anyway. At least his returns aren’t anything to brag about.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
by GAgiantfan on Nov 29, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Sheridan
Hey lets face it, Bill Sheridan is not a good defensive coodinator. This is really the same guys from last year and the superbowl the year before, but they had Spagnuolo. Teams are constantly scoring on this defense, I have to agree he should be fired because it appears he is not involved as Spags were.
by ironhide on Nov 28, 2009 10:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Asking players to do what they're not good at
Long time reader of the blog and had to get this out. Upon much, much discussion with my father (combined 75+ years “experience”) we’ve come up with this…on both sides of the ball, our coaches aren’t evaluating talent correctly and assigning players to do things they aren’t comfortable and good at, which really would explain a majority of the issues. Let me explain:
With essentially the same team we won the Super Bowl with not 2 years ago, these guys obviously did a good enough job to do just that. So what’s changed since then? Injuries suck, but happen and can’t be used as an excuse. We had injuries (major) in 07 as well. So, that aside, what are we trying to do? On offense, to put it simply, we seem to now be a passing first team. On defense, well, I still haven’t figured it out.
With an offensive identity shifting, the mindset and schemes do as well. The (arguably) best line in the NFL, at RUN blocking, has gotten older yes, but have always been mediocre at best in pass blocking. After a long game of beating the -- out of a D line, passing came easier for obvious reasons. With a MIS-evaluation of talent, apparently Gilbride/Coughlin feel our good, but very, very young receivers are the answer and put it in Eli’s hands to get them the ball with utmost priority. Our line wasn’t built for this. It won’t work now, and without a complete revamp, will NEVER happen. The linemen themselves are begging to run more. Again, stick with what you’re good at, play to the players strengths. I mean, we’ve only been a ball control offense for what, 75+ years?!
D…well, I don’t know. I don’t have a specific focus on this one. Citing others’ examples such as a rotation of our D-Line…playing pass coverage. Not playing to their strengths. Putting Ross at safety and CC Brown at LB. Not playing to their strengths.
Yes, the injuries hurt and because of it we have at least 4 guys that would typically be happy to have a roster spot, but in our case are starting, but I can’t help but go back to coaching and evaluating players and their abilities.
Spags anyone?
It took him 2 blowout weeks in 07 to get these guys firing on all cylinders. After GB, he said, "Okay, lets start from scratch. What do I have at my disposal? What are they good at? Well, what’s happening now isn’t working, so I’m going to ask these guys to do what they’re good at, not what we “need” or what WE think is necessarily right, but build a scheme that I’m familiar with that these guys can succeed at."
And don’t forget his talent level either. Our line was sick AND fresh. Other than that, nothing to write home about, individually (until CWebb discovered he’s pretty good after all). We had one, ONE, pro bowler on D. Mitchell, in retrospect, would have been nice to keep, but we also had a rookie starting at safety and a couple db’s that were way past their prime and barely serviceable. He just took what he had and let them do what they could easily understand and produce well at. Period.
Sorry about the length, I’m just so disappointed, if for no other reason than, we have talent. We all remember the rough years of winning a game a season, maybe 2. There was no talent. There was nothing to expect, no high hopes. We blew chunks and needed better personnel. But, America, WE GOT TALENT!!! Sorry, couldn’t help it.
I need to stop. I’m sorry. I could keep going, like I’m sure some of you feel like too, but it just comes down to the fact that the window is so small to accomplish greatness. Some have never experienced it at all. We have, but if things don’t change, we’re going to be torn apart and it may be a while before we have a realistic shot again. I’m taking this pretty hard…
by GiantSunDevil on Nov 29, 2009 2:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, SunDevil
Coaches have to adjust to what players do well, not put in a system and ask to do things they aren’t good at because the system requires it. That has long been a strength of the Patriots. Right now, it’s a weakness of the Giants on both sides of the ball.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 29, 2009 10:21 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sad our coaches can't figure this out
We’ve been together for how many years? This isn’t one of those 3 coach, 5 coordinator in 2 years teams. It’s really tough for me to handle because of this fact. What’s the kicker is, if the right people agree with us, a LOT of people, coaches AND players may be out the door, taking our talented roster and moving us down at least a notch or two, taking at least 4-5 years to get back to even this level. I’m so distraught. Sadness to me :(
"Uh-huh, uh-huh. Okay. Um, can you repeat the part of the stuff where you said all about the...things? Uh… the things?" - Homer Simpson
by GiantSunDevil on Nov 30, 2009 3:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I said it before and I'll say it again
what this Giants team lacks most is discipline. When I first said it 5 or 6 weeks ago it didn’ go over well. I can understand that because the last thing you figure a NY Giants team to lack is discipline or even heart. But it was so obvious. You could see it in the body language of the players. You could see it in the way they lacked any hustle. Especially when huddling and initiating the next play.
Tom Coughlin looks lost right now, let alone in any position to motivate the team, which is, as far as I’m concerned, what’s needed most if they’re going to have any chance of winning a few of these last games. The leadership council thing is what worked in 07. It isn’t what can work now. We don’t have Strahan and Toomer anymore. You need leaders to have a leadership council. We don’t have them. Not even Antonio Pierce seems able to elevate his own play let alone the play of his mates.
I think it’s way past time for Coughlin to start swinging a 2 by 4 at the asses of the next player who comes to the sideline after making a poor personal effort to man his position. Missed tackles by this team are a joke. The run blocking is a joke. The sorry effort of Jacobs is a joke. Tuck with his hands on his hips in the first quarter is a joke. Pass protection is a joke. This team is a joke right now. Top to bottom.
If something isn’t done soon to get hold of this teams identity and reinject some passion I see a long stretch of mediocrity ahead. Not just this season. You don’t get to come and play crap football for the NY Giants. You have a responsibility to uphold the rich and proud history of this franchise. If you can’t give a 200 percent effort at your position then you have no place on this team. That attitude and responsibility comes from the top.
If they can go out and leave it all on the field and not win another game I could be satisfied with that. They’re not even trying right now and that’s not NY Giants football.
Bloozer
by blooz on Nov 29, 2009 10:40 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it
If the Giants are as smart as a bunch of players as they are in the press conferences and interviews, how come they just look completely lifeless and inept on the field?
by nygmp42 on Nov 29, 2009 11:23 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cofield
It’s nice that he’s putting the responsibility on the players, rather than taking the easy way out and blaming the coaches. On the other hand, while he talks about “guys” rather than pointing fingers at anyone in particular, he doesn’t really seem to take any personal responsibility for the litany of errors he mentioned.
by JoshNY on Nov 29, 2009 1:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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