We're trying to win a m----- f------- game
by Willgfass on Nov 27, 2009 10:31 PM EST
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PrintI'm going to be honest with all you guys. This whole year, despite 2 blowouts and crappy games, I've kept hope. Win the games after the bye, and all this shit doesn't matter. All the garbage us the fans have put up with won't even be remembered, because despite all the shit that hit the fan, we could still pull it off and make a run.
I'm no longer of that opinion. The team's played like shit, and I'm sick of it. Anyone who's read what I've said knows i've been by far the most optimistic person here. The whole first half of last night's game, I thought we could still win. Even into the 3rd quarter, I thought we could win. After TT intercepted, I just knew we could bring it back. But alas, that didn't happen. I'm sick of writing what the team has to do to get better, because frankly it doesn't matter. Instead, I'm going to analyze our schedule, and the other playoff hopeful teams to see whether we can pull ourselves ourselves together.
(Fat chance if that team that wore the giant's jersey last night shows up again)
Ok I've gotten all my negativity out. I'll go in division order
Cowboys Schedule Analysis
So if you don't know by now, games a NFL team plays is pretty much completely determined years in advance. There are only two teams that you don't know you'll be playing next year when the season starts.
All teams play 16 games. 6 of them are vs 3 division rivals, of which you play twice. All teams than play an interconference division (NFC vs AFC) and intraconference division (NFC vs NFC).
This year the NFC East plays the AFC West, and the NFC South.
The two remaining games are games vs teams in the same conference that you don't already face, and that end in the same place as your team at the end of the year. (I.e. first place teams play the 2 other first place teams, 3rd place teams play the 2 other 3rd place teams in your conference you wouldn't already play).
With that in mind...
Cowboys Schedule Analysis
The Cowboys are 8-3
Division Rivalry Record: 2-1 with 3 game remaining to play
The boys beat the Eagles and and Redskins, and we beat them oh so long ago. They still have to play each NFC East team again
Intraconference Games: Record: 3-0 with 1 game left to play
The cowboys beat Tampa Bay, Carolina, and Atlanta, and all were resounding wins (34-21, 21-7, and 37-21 respectively). They still have to play New Orleans, so we can assume one more loss on the schedule for the boys (Oh God I just jinxed us).
Interconference Games: 2-1 with 1 game left to play
Beat KC and Oakland, nothing unexpected. Lost to the broncos, and still have to play San Diego. I expect San Diego to win and sweep the NFC East (I never thought I'd be writing these words in september)
Other Intraconference Games: 1-1.
The lucky bastards got the easy Seahawks, but lost to Green Bay. No more other Intraconference games
Future Game Analysis:
The Cowboys game looks the most similar to ours. All of their easy games are gone now, with the easiest game left the Redskins (and us next week, if you've reached a pessimism I haven't reached yet)
Its not inconceivable for the Cowboys to go anywhere from 1-4 to 4-1.
They have
@Giants
vs San Diego -
@New Orleans -
@Washington
vs. Philadelphia
Any game with a minus next to it, I think they'll lose. If they lose only those games, they'll have 11-5 and a definite playoff spot as the Division winner.
Besides Washington, they still have their work cut out for them. Here's rooting for a December collapse (Although that last game's in January. Darn NFL wanting game always after labor day).
My useless end of season predicition: 10-6 (Loss to NYG or Ealges, New Orleans, and San Diego, Win vs NYG or Ealges, and Redskins)
Eagles Schedule Analysis
Eagles Current Record: 6-4
Division Record: 2-1 with 3 games remaining
The eagles beat the redskins, kicked our sorry carcass, and lost to Dallas. They still have to face everyone again. If we assume they win this Sunday vs the Redskins, that makes them 3-1 in the division.
Intraconference Games: 2-1 with 1 game remaining
The Eagles lost to New Orleans (no surprise there), and beat the Panthers and Tampa Bay. They still face Atlanta. Atlanta still has an outside chance to make the playoffs, so it won't be a pushover game. It'll be close, I won't make a prediction
Interconference Games: 1-2 with 1 game remaining
This is why its important to win games your expected to win. The loss to oakland could conceivably cost philadelphia the division. So far they've only beat Kansas City in the west, with their other loss to San Diego. If Denver plays like they did last night, the Eagles could end with the worst record vs the AFC West in the NFC East (worst than the redskins!!!). The Oakland game also showed the Eagle's weakness. If they don't get big plays, the Eagles get no plays. They're the definition of feast of famine
Other Intraconference Games: 1-0
Eagles beat the Bears, and still have to play the San Francisco 49's. I'm not holding my breath on San Fancisco making an upset.
Future Game Analysis
vs Redskins+
@Atlanta
@NYG
vs San Fran+
vs Denver
@Dallas
The Eagles have the easiest remaining schedule, and still, it isn't the easiest.
If they lose to Denver, that would make the Redskins (!) the only NFC East team to beat denver
Once again, they could end up winning only one more game. I can't really pick objectively. I want us to win, I want to believe Atlanta and Denver can win, and I want to believe that vs Dallas they both find a way to lose, but that won't happen. I hope they'll split the rest of their games and end 9-7. However, they could easily end 12-4, 11-5. I think its guaranteed they make the playoffs, either by wildcard or division crown
New York Giants Schedule Analysis
*sigh* So much promise, so little to show for it. Wednesday I believed we could run the tables. I can't believe that anymore, but as a fan I must.
Current Record: 6-5
Division Record: 2-1
How weird is that? The Iggles, 'boys, and the G-Men are 2-1, with each loss coming to a team the other beat. If a team can sweep the reamaing division games, they're pretty much set for the playoffs.
Intraconference Games: 2-1
Beat Tampa Bay (remember when crappy teams looked up to us as a good team? Neither do I), and Atlanta, got stomped by New Orleans. That Leaves Carolina, the one team we hope they pass more. Even CC Brown couldn't ruin this game vs Delholme. Since Carolina seems intent on forcing Delholme to throw, and not focus on their strengths (i.e. the running game) I'll consider this game a win.
Interconference Games: 2-2
This'll be the average record in the division for all of the teams vs the AFC west. The Redskins actually have a chance to go 3-1 or even 4-0 in the division assuming they take care of business in Oakland and the Chargers rest their players in the final week. Nothing left for the Giants to do about this. I sure hate the western part of the US right about now
Other Intraconference Games: 0-1
We lost in a despicable game versus the Cardinals. We still have to play the Vikings, and most of you guys are probably expecting this to be a loss. But good fortune at last! We play them in the last game, and I believe that the Vikings will return us a solid and rest all of their starters after a series or two and let us win. This game may be the difference between a playoff berth, or the Giants sitting on their sorry asses.
Future Game Analysis:
Vs. Dallas
vs Philly
@Washington+
vs Carolina+
@Minnesota+
First off, way to go NFL schedulers. No creativity, we start and end the season like we did last year (vs Washington 1st, vs Carolina 15th, and @Minnesota 16th).
Unless we truly do suck, I think the worst we can do is 9-7, which probably won't get us into the playoffs, but at least its a winning season. Our future is no longer in our control. If we win every remaining game, and Dallas wins all but against us, they're still the division champs. The two most important remaining games, vs Dallas and vs Philly are at home. If we're going to go out, lets at least go out with a bang. Beat Dallas and Philly, and I won't hurt myself.
Post-Post Analysis
After spending an hour writing this up, I don't feel as bad as I did before. Dallas has hell left to go through. Philadelphia has the easiest schedule left, and could easily end up with the division crown. If we get our ass in gear, we can pull off something amazing.
I leave you with these words by Thomas Paine, slightly edited to make more sense in a football way
THESE are the times that try men's souls. The summer [fan] and the sunshine [mediaist] will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their team; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of [The New York Giants]. [ineptitude], like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as [Winning[ should not be highly rated. [National Mediasts], with [synicated colums] to enforce [their] tyranny, has declared that [we not only suck] but [but has the right to say we can't win another game].
Thanks for reading this, hopefully you guys like it. Please comment, I spent loads of time making this.
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So….the 4 game losing streak, the winning on a coin toss didn’t let these guys know its backs to the wall time?
Well….now it is.
Beat Dallass.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Sums up exactly what i was trying to say
in 1/100 of the words.
Single cover the real Steve Smith at your own peril
Nice work, W
Appreciate all the work that went into it.
Well
After going 1-5, that’s a great attitude to have here. I don’t know what to expect from the birds as they are unpredictable as ever. THey could make a run or be inconsistent duds.
It would be REALLY nice if you guys beat Dallas in 10 days..REALLY nice
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Imho
I think you guys (the eagles) are in the playoffs, whether as division winners, or 6th wildcard
You guys finish strong, it the cowboys who have to worry.
It’ll be really nice if you guys repeat what you did last year. Imagine if Dallas wins the division, but loses 44-6 again on the last game of the season?
I think we can all agree, the packers are getting in the playoffs. I’ll write something after sunday about the other NFC wildcard teams, but its three teams fighting for 2 spots.
Single cover the real Steve Smith at your own peril
If i didn't know any better Joe (and Eagles fans abroad)
The Eagles and Redskins game almost has the sense of a must win for the Eagles? Knowing that the Cowboys won and the Giants have lost, the division gurantees a playoff spot which the WC has a few scenarios that have to play out.
I only bring this up for the fact that the Giants already knew that the Cowboys (div. leader) and the Packers (a WC contender) had already won, and then they laid a big pile of turd against the Broncos. So to keep within striking distance of the Cowboys, i amost want to say this is a must win?!
Given the schedules involved, it looks like alot can happen to make this more interesting? I’m not trying to start anything, but that Raiders lost seems to be magnified a bit more, like perhaps the Giants lost to the Chargers!
BTW Will, nice post! Well thought out and presented. Too ambitious for me! lol
Thanks
all praise is good
As for the redskins, they have the wonderful job of being spoilers, and against all of their rivals too.
Remember, last year the eagles were swept by the redskins, but I bet no one would say remembering last year that the redskins were better than the eagles.
There’s all these tie breaking rules, and scenarios, it’d just be easier if the giants won every game
Single cover the real Steve Smith at your own peril
I'm still not too comfortable with the Giants though
They knew the outcome of the previous games before them and then laid the big turd against Denver. In all seriousness, where’s the sense of urgency to win or at the very least, to compete? I didn’t see the game, but i take the BBV’ers word for that it was bad!
But seeing how it was against a non-Beast opponent (Denver) perhaps the need to win wasn’t there? It doesn’t make it right, but just saying! Every game from then and here on out is important, but i really don’t see anything to believe they can come together?!
And your right, the Redskins are the spoilers amongst the Beast. They’re actually playing the opposite of how the Giants are playing. Very solid defense while struggling to score on offense. So who knows how they’ll come into play?
Realistically though, if the Giants continue their adventure of the way their defense has been playing, as a fan, i’m not hoping for the playoffs in fear of embarassment. No need for an adventure when our guide has no compass!
I completely agree
If the impostors who showed up on thanksgiving show up again, than we’re in for a lot of trouble.
Whining won’t do anything about it, but I bet the short week along with the Denver air had a little to do with our suckage.
The defense wasn’t horrible, they actually stopped the other team in the red zone twice. There was that indefensible playcall to put Canty in coverage, and for some reason we’re always soft in the middle lately.
I hope I’m right. Its no fun to be a fan of a losing team.
Single cover the real Steve Smith at your own peril
As a Dallas fan
December looms with the toughest games of the year. I wouldn’t feel so bad if either New York or New Orleans was at home, but alas they aren’t.
Should be a dog fight to the end.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
I hope so.
I can stand losing, I can’t stand losing in a blowout like we did versus the broncos. Pretty much, I don’t won’t to root for a Raider-like team
Single cover the real Steve Smith at your own peril
I agree
Losing in a blowout hurts. None worse than the 44-6 debacle we had to close out last season. The overwhelming number of texts and phone calls I was getting just made it worse.
I’d rather lose the home opener to the Giants like we did then have us decide to not show up and play the game of football.
"We have to find a way to play better, there's no doubt. Overall. I'm not pointing fingers at anybody. Offense, defense, pitching -- we have to find a way to play better. The reality of this is, coming here to Pittsburgh and being swept -- personally, I feel embarrassed." -- Carlos Beltran
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One game at a time.
Still plenty of football.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 30, 2009 1:26 PM EST reply actions
Thanks
There’s more than 1 way to look at something. You could look at our schedule and conclude we’re boned.
With a little more knowledge, maybe we aren’t as boned as we thought.
None of this matters though if we don’t win Sunday.
Sometime this week I’ll do this for the wildcard teams. The Packers schedule is not pretty, I’ll tell you that.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
good post...
i like that your keeping the faith.
I’ve unfortunately mailed it in. I love the giants to death and will continue to watch and root for the team in blue but i’m a realist…and I think it would be nothing short of a miracle if this team makes the playoffs.
actually the playoffs seem impossible to me, i would just like to see this team be competitive…i can’t watch anymore 20+ point losses. I’m looking ahead to 2010 and hopefully they’ll show me something at the end of this year to give me some faith.
i don’t mean to bring the post down or anything…or be a pessimist. it’s just my thoughts on the matter. They’re still my favorite sports team but I just don’t see it happening for them this year….
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I'm just letting everyone be more informed, that's all
Will it be some sort of a miracle if we make it? If we continue playing like we did, than hell yeah, we don’t even deserve to be in.
Its not out of the question though. Until sunday anyway
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
yep...ur right about that...
it’s not over until the fat lady sings.
I’ve just had to reel my expectations in…considerably.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
You're right
It’s not over until the fat lady sings, but she’s got a mic in her hand and she’s ready to cue the band :(
Lets hope eli and co
cut out the power this sunday
And that tuck sacks that bitch. And by bitch i mean tony tomo
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
This is painful
And Willy im as optomistic as you are bro. Even when we were down two scores I didnt count us out, even though at the point the only person to show up to the game was Tynes. We still have the talent to run the table. Will we, shit son I hope so, but we MUST WIN THE NEXT 2 GAMES for any chance at the playoffs.
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