Broncos 16, Giants 0: 2nd half Open Thread
by Ed Valentine on Nov 26, 2009 9:47 PM EST
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Well, fellas! I'd love to say it can't get worse. But, I have zero confidence in that statement.
Anyway, hopefully the second half is better than the first.
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Things look bad
But the game isn’t over guys. Let’s see how they respond in the second half.
GO NY GIANTS!!
If it's like the way they've responed most of this season
it’ll be 30-0 Denver 3 mins into the second half
I wonder what Tom Coughlin is doing/saying right now
Probably just thinking about turkey.
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by Scent of a Woman on Nov 26, 2009 9:52 PM EST reply actions
The Who for Superbowl 44
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Tom Petty was still the best.
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by Scent of a Woman on Nov 26, 2009 9:54 PM EST reply actions
that really is sad
they’re getting an English band that knows NOTHING about football for the halftime show of the most watched game of the year. Maybe next year they can get Bjork??
by sexyscottish on Nov 26, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
What I don't get is
even bad teams don’t get blown out like this week after week!
Have the Giants gone from Super Bowl champs and perenial playoff contender to a 6-10 team that needs to rebuild in a four game span?
At least we had SB 42 it looks like it’ll be awile until this team makes the playoffs again let alone
Our coach turned back into a pumpkin
I was thinking the same thing, this is the third game I have seen where the giants are not even in the game, and the scary part is besides the Saints, Philly and Denver are not great teams.
by Late for Dinner on Nov 26, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Once a year getting blown out is one thing
but my god. I’m sorry but Denver is an average team, not awful but not great.
Orton is more of a caretaker and he’s making all of the throws
The O can’t block anybody. BJ, well I don’t know What happend to him
Looks like a lot of Wet Willy's tomorow
I don’t want to throw in the towel, but I just don’t see the Giants coming back they look horrible. Besides Gilbride will play it close to the vest and not change a thing in the second half, if we are luky we might get a TD
by Late for Dinner on Nov 26, 2009 9:55 PM EST reply actions
Get back to Football 101
Let’s TACKLE.
Let’s HOLD ON TO THE BALL.
Let’s PROTECT.
Let’s GET IN POSITION once in a while.
Let’s have a drive that lasts longer than 6 plays.
I’m sorry to say it, Ed, but they don’t look like they want it.
Maybe they can change my mind.
Sorry about the caps. I have no voice currently lol
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
Our defense. . . . .
is doing the best they can to keep us in the game. It could be 0-28. Jacobs, the Wide Receivers, and Eli needs to step up. Gilbride needs to get the offense in a rhythm and call plays according on how the Broncos are playing on defense.
"We're only going to score 17 points?!" - Tom Brady
Currently
our “defense” is more offensive.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
To make things worse....
I benched the Packers D in favor of the Giants D on my three $$ league fantasy teams….God Damnit.
ouch
I started Steve Smith over Donald Driver. Bad call
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Why are teams getting 5 - 8 yards on every running play?!
it makes no sense! Even when the Giants D struggles in the past it’s typically the secondary not the run D but they cant stop anybody on the ground
WAY TO GO TT!!!
LET’S GET THIS SHIT STARTED NOW!!!
that's the spark...
let’s see if our offense can capitalize.
"We're only going to score 17 points?!" - Tom Brady
Too bad he could not return that for a TD
thats the only way we could score.
Guarntee we settle for a FG at best or turn it back over.
predicting a FG at best
maybe a turnover or 3 and out. Predictions?
Go no huddle!!!
We’re a lot better when we don’t huddle…..especially Eli.
Have you seen anything in the past 7 weeks or so
that inspires confidence? I am just about out of optimism.
yes I have
but this game isnt over man…lets get some positive vibes flowing here…were in the middle of a nice drive here
GO NY GIANTS!!
Boss sighting
Everything will be okay now. Kevin will save us.
He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.
If they overturn this I'm gonna flip out
he may have been out, but it’s impossible to tell and you’ve gotta go with the call on the field in that case. The refs get this wrong ALL the time
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
We're not Dallas, NE, or NO...
so be ready to flip out because I agree with you 100%. Despite the fact that he was CLEARLY in bounds.
by sexyscottish on Nov 26, 2009 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
We NEED a TD though...
A FG wouldn’t demoralize Denver at all. In fact, it would probably give them more confidence.
GOD DAMNIT...
Stop using Jacobs like a speed back!!!!!!!!
Need to go Philly offense style here
cause the run is D.O.A. every time. And we all know Ware will not get any more carries tonight.
I actually don't think it's a bad idea
he’s a fantastic offensive coach and he’s got a history with the Giants.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
%^&*!!!!!!!!!!
3rd and 13 and we throw a 6 yard pass.
thats the most confident
Tynes FG I’ve ever seen.
"We're only going to score 17 points?!" - Tom Brady
OK were on the board
Good start…our defense is pissed and will make plays..they are fired up!!!
GO NY GIANTS!!
We need to hit Orton...
he’s still nowhere near 100% and we need to beat up on his sorry ass. Hit him hard enough so he starts hearing the footsteps and making mistakes.
I think the Browns could beat us!
I think the Giants are a bottom 5 team in the League right now. They’ll finish 6-10 . . . gutless!
Obvious Illegal block...
and no call again. This is getting ridiculous now.
Dude
we get it, you think the refs have it in for the Giants and you see penalties everywhere. It is getting OLD.
Prove me wrong and I'll stop..
but you can’t be serious in saying we’re not getting the shaft by the refs again. If so then you need to wake the hell up.
by sexyscottish on Nov 26, 2009 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
The Giants are beating themselves
with some atrocious play. You are delusional if you think the reffing has anything to do with this debacle of a display.
As for prove you wrong
I can not prove to you the refs are crooked or not.
The Refs are horrible in general in the NFL
it’s not just against the Giants. It just seems that way when they are lossing
Agreed...
but living in New England I get to see a lot of Pats games too…and trust me when I say that they get damn near EVERY call in their favor when they play.
by sexyscottish on Nov 26, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Moss anyone??
Hixon hasn’t been a real upgrade over him so why not give him another shot?? What could it hurt now??
really???
WTF??? how many more games do we have to play with half a team man…the injuries this year have been the worst in 20 years…
GO NY GIANTS!!
Nice run there...
and he held onto the ball too.
how annoying
is that friggin wah wah wah noise they play in denver after an incomplete pass
GO NY GIANTS!!
of course it's a flag on us...
we’re doing too good now.
Why when the Giants get no rush
everybody’s open but when the oppent gets no rush we can’t find anybody down the field.
damn delay
I’m listening on Giants.com since I can’t get NFL net and you guys are talking about things before I hear it
I think he means
NFL Network as in the TV Channel.
"We're only going to score 17 points?!" - Tom Brady
SMITH WAS BEING HELD DAMNIT!!!!!
How can it be on him when his jersey was being grabbed? AGAIN, these fucking refs are ridiculous. AND, no 15 yarder for helmet to helmet? Amazing how good other teams can look against us with the striped shirts on their team.
Where's that guy at??
The one who said the refs had nothing to do with this game?? You still think that buddy??
Have you looked at the penalty totals?
Broncos have MORE penalties. Stop whining and acept the fact that the refs are not screwing the Giants. They missed a call yeah, but they miss calls both ways. THERE IS NO CONSPIRACY. You sound like a whiny baby and it is getting incredibly old.
OK I get it...
I proved you wrong and you can’t take it. Glad to see you’re watching a different game than the rest of the world.
by sexyscottish on Nov 26, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
no for the D to hold....
and a bomb TD to Manningham just to help my fantasy team
Calm it down or I will have to sit out out of this thread man
You are going way over the line here.
How the hell does our kickoff team let that run up!
Tynes actually kicked it deep and our guys still could not get down there. This team is totally imploding
They're tired...
from being on the field most of the time as well as having to play an away game on a short week.
by sexyscottish on Nov 26, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
they are paid $mn s as professional sportsman
I will not accept excuses. Gee, if I threw in the towel every time I felt tired at work I would get sacked .. except i’m the boss and wouldn’t sack myself (hehe).
He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.
the only excuse for those runs is the d being outworked. simple as that.
no heart on this team
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
I'd say watch the Broncos OL holding...
but heaven forbid I point out the obvious without offending someone who thinks the refs are doing a great job.
by sexyscottish on Nov 26, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
their whole life is spent conditioning for this ...
they should be able to play for 40 minutes. What else do they have to do?
He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.
Is it me
Or are the Giants just a really bad football team,
by Late for Dinner on Nov 26, 2009 10:43 PM EST reply actions
They're also at home...not 3 time zones away.
by sexyscottish on Nov 26, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
there are no excuses
for playing like dogshit
+10
there are no excuses. They should be ready for this.
He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.
They are a bottom 5 team
when Eli is not great.
I can’t belive this has happened to this team.
They need a whole new O-line some new RBs, new LBs, D line and saftey’s
our D has not played to bad
Mile high air and the fact the offense couldnt move the ball is starting to wear on us
more like
inconsistency
inconsistency
inconsistency
how can u say that?
18 injuries at one point
6 player on IR
this is the worst year for injuries in 20 years
GO NY GIANTS!!
every team deals with injuries
we havent dealt to well with our injuries
seriously
You have to be joking. there isn;t enough room here for me to list all of the injuries, players on IR, players playing injured and players sitting out…its been devastating.
GO NY GIANTS!!
06 was worse
and they atleast competed that year, sure they lost a lot late but they did not quit like this.
THis is much closer to the truth
Injuries are a factor, but not the be all end all.
Is the D on the field??
The play calling is horrible….. say what u want it wouldn’t be this bad with Spags
Same players, more depth, less effectiveness
by jonnybgood21 on Nov 26, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
The hell was that?!
Stokley was wide open. On 3rd & 8. My feed just went out and I’m glad.
Here’s hoping for a miracle next 5 weeks and 11-5.
Over the middle again!
WTF It’s the same play! The same G-D!* play keeps beating us.
If this is a talent think then they need to blow up the entire thing
We had one...
and he was a beast until he got hurt for the year.
by sexyscottish on Nov 26, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Once again Giants get their doors blown off
I know their is a lot of blame to go around, but when you loose games the way the giants are loosing, I.E. not in the game at all I think our coaches are getting out coached along with the players getting their butts kicked. This Giants team reminds me of the Dan Reeves Era.
by Late for Dinner on Nov 26, 2009 10:52 PM EST reply actions
This is a lot worse than the Dan Reeves Era!
Those teams had Dave Brown at the helm!
This team is a year removed from 12-4 and 6 pro-bowlers.
Those teams sucked talent wise. This team has some players.
like i said before. this has nothing to do with talent.
it has to do with brains. lets face it. this team is very stupid
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
starts with the coaches
and we have the worst ones in the league!
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 26, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly could not make it any worse than it is
and they allegedly thrive in such a scenario.
CC Brown
I am not even mad at the last TD, as soon as CC got in the game I knew it was only a matter of time before he blew a coverage.
by Late for Dinner on Nov 26, 2009 10:53 PM EST reply actions
SIGHS...
Another run with Jacobs to the outside.
Rember this moment
Giants down by a lot and the offense is playing like they are in the 1st qtr. This is why Gilbride must go, Predicatable,
by Late for Dinner on Nov 26, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
really i dont understand when something has not worked all game
why the hell you keep doing it
im going to keep banging my head on the wall even though it hurts
After such an uninspired performance
Does anyone really feel they have any chance to get IN the playoffs let alone go far in them?
Where the heck are any of the safeties? My Turkey is trying to come back up!
im very optomistic
but not if they keep playing like this
This is a bad team
They don’t deserve to make the playoffs, and they would be one and done even if they made it somehow
by Late for Dinner on Nov 26, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
I'm done for today guys.
Can’t stand any more of this. I will look forward to Ed’s Wet Willies tomorrow. We are no longer masters of our own destiny with regard to the playoffs, other results have to go our way. However, given this showing we may be better looking forward to the 2010 draft rather than the post season. Enjoy the rest of your Thanksgiving Day.
He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.
agreed
This team is definitly not worthy of a playoff spot
by Late for Dinner on Nov 26, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
and to think about it
we couldnt beat MIN or NO at there house so
game is over
this team is terrible. I hope we don’t make the playoffs so i don’t have to watch these losers in the post season
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 26, 2009 10:56 PM EST reply actions
If that's the case...
Don’t come back to them when they win you fake ass fan.
by sexyscottish on Nov 26, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
ED, MY WORD, ON EVERYTHING I LOVE
please don’t give out one kudo tomorrow. NOT ONE FUCKING KUDO!!!!!!!!! no one deserves one….NO ONE.
goodnight.
Gutless
I’ve been following Giants football since 1963, and I’ve never quit on a season, even when the team was horrible. But this team is so gutless and clueless, that I have officially given up. I don’t care if they win out the rest of the way. I’m done. There’s nobody on this team that I like right now. I say let’s play guys like Goff, Sintim, Beatty, Beckum andBarden down the stretch and get them some experience and see which of them are worth keeping.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Nov 26, 2009 10:57 PM EST reply actions
It's all bad.
Hard to know where to begin. We’re getting outcoached in every phase of the game. No penetration on the defensive side of the ball, and the offensive line has become laughably overrated. Not enough athletes on this team. While like most everybody I’ve been high on Jerry Reese, he’s gonna have to come up big this offseason, especially on defense. If Kehl and Goff were players they’d be on the field by now. And, why not give Sintim a shot — he can’t do worse than what they’re running out there now.
Can anyone help?
We know the team doesnt suck, so you guys need to stop saying that. But I am having trouble pointing out what is wrong with the team. I know the injuries have devastated us this year but the play calling hasnt been very good all year. What do you guys think the problem is?
GO NY GIANTS!!
THEY SUCK!
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
defense blows.
not can’t tackle…DON’T tackle
Jacobs?
Why is this pussy cutting to the outside..when there’s a hole up the middle? Got his contract and that’s it
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
To bad our coaches can't help
We have talent but with out a game plan and without peopel holding the players responsible we can’t win. Gilbride and Sheridan MUST BE FIRED at the end of the season. I would demote Sheridan tonight.
by Late for Dinner on Nov 26, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I agree...
I’ve been patient. and I’m done with Sheridan. DONE.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Free I'm shocked
I know we went back and forth about this during the week about Sheridan or talent but they seem so clueless out there coaching has to be held accountable.
Robbins and Cofield should not be re-signed after the season and they should look to void Rocky Bernads contract.
If I was the D-Coordinator I’d have them doing tackling drills all day sunday, my god it’s just awful.
can't shed a block.
DON’T tackle.
Out of position.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
they suck. but more specifically.
the coaching to start off is terrible. the coordinating is disgusting.
to me the most important thing is no communication between the defensive players. and the offensive line cant stop a player for their lives. and the safetys are awful.
and we have no leadership out there. and jacobs is trying to run like hes bradshaw.
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
WHY does Jacobs cut to the outside every carry?
This asshole should be cutting up the middle and dishing out hits.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
Great minds think alike
What Tucker said — let the young guys play!
To everyone who's talking about quitting on this team..
You are the epitome of what a fraudulent bandwagoner fan is. If you hate this team, go be a Jets fan and see how much better it is over there. Unreal.
who's quitting?
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Not giving up, just calling it like it is. We'll be back next year. Watching for bright spots in the remaining games...
But if you think this God awful shell of a former championship team is worthy of contention just because they’re the NY Giants… God bless your delusion. 2010 here we come.
no one's quitting.....
This was the worst played game of the year.
Not the Saints. Not the Eagles game.
THIS game.
WORST of the season. I’ve never seen this.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
we’ve seen this before.. during that 6 game losing streak and the 8 game losing streak a few years ago.
I still believe they are talented.
THAt’s what makes it bad.
THey have the talent.
Its just the complete lack of a clue tonight.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
No quit here
Just had enough of this and I work tomorrow (no US holiday for me since I live in True North strong and free). Love my g-men, and I am always faithful to my sport teams, no matter how bad they get.
Bad team.
Bad, bad, bad, stupid, bad team. Well, at least they lived down to my preseason expectations — Saw all I needed to see to know both our lines SUCKED. Inconsistent Eli, dead on arrival running game, high school pass rush. aging and spent OL… so… 7-9, 8-8, just like I thought … though I had a moment where I felt generous with a 10-6.
Still, the WRs are more than promising… 2010, baby!
You've been one of
the lonely few BBVers who properly assessed the team’s chances this year Z.
5 min 3TD's no problem
We were just letting them feel good
Well fellas
6-5, we will likely need to win out for any chance to make the playoffs, or at least the next 4 in a row
10-6 to make the playoffs.
were 6-5
so we need to go 4-1 to end the season.
what are the chances?
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
could happen......
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
I can't watch any more.
I’ve gone from understanding they’re not as good as I thought to realizing they’re much worse than I believed. I don’t know how things can fall apart so fast. The rest of the season might be best geared toward rebuilding than anything else.
Problem is
there record is not bad enough to just give up.
You know and I know they have no shot but they can’t just give up even if it’s whats best for the team in the long run. So it’ll be 5 more games like this down the streatch.
You've got a point,
but they look like a team that has already given up. I have no real expectation that they’ll gear toward rebuilding anyway.
Giants don't run, Giants Don't win
14 rushing attempts-14!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by ZZZZMD on Nov 26, 2009 11:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
3rd and 1????
How was that not a 1st down???
No sense of urgency at all...
We should NEVER HUDDLE anymore. We play a lot better when we keep the D on their heels.
It comes down to the coordinators
The defense has the players (aside from cc brown) to win games. When you see a big play the defense missed an assignment. there are too many wide open players on D its ridiculous.
sheridan needs to go downstairs to the unemployment center
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 26, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
playin like girls
i am a big giants fan butt they played like girls and the playoffs forget it im very disapointed
Wow Rocky Bernard
made a tackle . . . nice to show up with 1:50 left Rocky were have you been all season?
Show some heart here...
at least get a fucking TD.
Underachievers
talent wise this is arguably the worst display I can recall in 30 years. Coming into the season with all the free agents they signed we thought they’d dominate. Not one player on defense plays with any pride.Absolutely disgusting. I’ve seen some terrible games. This game has to rank up with them.
Before you count them out of the playoffs,
just remember that they had a short week in a completely different environment. It’s not easy.
They're done
this team will not make the playoffs.
Seahawks fan here (we needed you to win)
How will the Giants make the playoffs?
ME! BANE!
by SSreporters on Nov 26, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
6-5.
They are not mathematically out of it.
The Packers and Eagles are the only comp..and they are just as inconsistent.
This was a horrendously piss poor effort tonight tho.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
they could.
They ARE 6-5.
Between now and next game…they need to make some changes.
There needs to be a statement made about this one.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
With what we've witnessed
over the last 6 games do you really have faith? Our running game has been average at best. Our Defense is TERRIBLE. Denver was lit up for 30+ points last week at home vs a team we lost in the final minute. This was a crucial game. I don’t see the Giants turning this around the next few weeks. Coming into this game I truly thought we’d win. This was a disgrace. I think we finish 8-8.
They've yet
make any significant changes the last 5 games since the Saints game.
they must make changes going into the next game.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
THROW A FLAG!!!!
Yet another PI not called. Looks like the refs wanna get out of here fast too.
we hear you.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
The team complained about playing on Thanksgiving night
and it showed. Plain and simple. They didn’t show up.
Mara should've shut up about that
do NOT give it an excuse…cuz its not one.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
he was complaining not just about the Giants but any team that would have to face the schedule we did. it would be different if the Broncos had an away game last week but they were home and that’s the beef.
I agree with him 100%.
Just keep it to himself.
He said it in the media. It probably was known throughout the locker room before they even got to Denver.
They may very well have given up on this one before the game started…and it looked like it.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry
We had a home game, bye week, then another home game. Having to travel for a Thursday night game is no excuse. SUCK IT UP! Our team has been sitting home for 4 weeks. NO EXCUSE!
its not.
but when the owner comes out with that excuse and puts it in the players head…its in their head as an excuse.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Manningham doesn't deserve to be in this league
guy has no future in the NFL. As long as you put any scrub corner to jam him at the line of scrimmage he is as good as useless on the play.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 26, 2009 11:24 PM EST reply actions
YOU have not watched a single Giants game all year.
GOOD BYE.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
why are you getting so mad?
it’s the truth. I could “cover” him if i had to
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 26, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions
cuz Manningham sure as a MFer has a future in the NFL
and its a GOD DAMN good one.
Are you serious? Manningham is FAR from the Giants problem.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
congrats.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
I want to blame the coaches
but our lines are getting blown up. I’m not sure how that gets fixed absent Tuck’s shoulder magically getting heeled and Robbins getting the knees of a 25 year old.
I feel like the Giants
Missed Bradshaw more than anything. I hate to say it but Jacobs should be traded in the offseason. He can’t run with any conviction (healthy or not) and the coaches have no idea how to use him. Why run a stretch play with Jacobs?
You guys also need a complete secondary overhaul. That looked like….the Seahawks to be honest. CC Brown is awful.
Finally how has Rocky Bernard been for you guys? He seemed to be a non-factor tonight. Is he a frequent starter?
Good luck the rest of the season but for now I really think the Giants are just a mediocre-to-bad team. Something completely fell off after your undefeated start.
ME! BANE!
CC Brown is not a NFL football player.
Rocky Bernard is totally useless. In retrospect I don’t understand that free agent signing. He’s done basically nothing all season.
Corey Webster was also atrocious
Even though it’s Marshall he faced it’s like he was totally lost.
ME! BANE!
by SSreporters on Nov 26, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
disagree...
the 2 big plays by Marshall…not a single corner in the NFL could have better coverage. Those were not catches made by a normal human.
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
Subtract those catches
Webster was still getting torched and committing dumb penalties.
ME! BANE!
by SSreporters on Nov 26, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
this is true.
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Rocky is too small to play DT in that system
He was reliable for us more often than not but he will get blown back by any good offensive line.
ME! BANE!
by SSreporters on Nov 26, 2009 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
we got figured out by the rest of the league and keep trotting out the same plans game after game. The exception tonight being the players mailed it in. They all pitched in for .32, bought the stamp and dropped it off in the box.
AGREE 1000%
falls back on the coaching. It appears we’ve made no adjustments from game to game. Saints exposed our defense. Since then it’s been a nightmare.
Tom Coughlin
I don’t understand. He stands on the sideline with no emotion. His team has underperformed all season. It’s painfully obvious this team this season is poorly coached. Receivers run wild. We have no defense up the middle. Our D ends have no containment and over pursue. Our d tackes get blown off the line.
it’s not the first time hes done that. Last year when we lost to the eagles in the playoffs he looked like a deer caught in the headlights of a freight truck. totally lost and bewildered.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 26, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions
Lack of emotion--TC
Good point. Remember how he used to go apoplectic when things went bad? Maybe the fire in his belly has been quenched? That could go a long way to explaining the lack of emotion displayed by the players.
Super bowl
he has his super bowl. This season he just doesn’t seem to care.
No, that’s the look of a man who doesn’t know what else to do or the realization he just doesnt have the horses. Plain and simple.
I don't disagree
but change it up. Put BS up in the booth. Allow another coach to call the defense.
An example
Early in the game BS calls zone blitz. Canty in pass coverage??? WTF! That makes zero sense to me.
I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw that.
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
no.
that’s cuz they snap the ball inside 4 seconds of the play clock running out.
“Omaha set” was part of the Giants snap count for the past 3 years…its always worked when they actually get the play in.
No urgency on O. Jacobs is running like a pussy. The defense is in disarray.
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Why
Does Eli check out of a passing play into a running play then we lose yardage? It happens far too often.
isn't it amazing how the defens knows EXACTLY
what the check down is and EXACTLY where its going?
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:39 PM EST up reply actions
Eli
Let’s face it: Eli is just plain mediocre. As Giants fans, we love to continue to remember SB 42, but Eli was mediocre before that and again after. The NY press was calling for his head before that great SB run, and now he once again is unable to command the team like his brother Peyton. He is a ‘manager’ not an elite QB. I wish we had Rivers, who is worlds better, and SD also got Merriman and Kaeding – that was a horrible trade. Eli has never finished a season with a QB rating above the 80s. With the team unable to run, he has been exposed as a mediocre QB. Let’s just admit it – the SB win was a fluke based on a great “D” and pass rush, and that 4 game playoff run the only 4 game stretch where Eli has performed well in his pro career. Let’s stop thinking about the past and concentrate on the present – Giants and Eli are both mediocre.
get off of that BS.. it’s over and done with. I expect more of you guys coming out of the woodwork and putting it ALL on Eli. You guys are real savvy fans, because it’s guaranteed we would have drafted Merriman and Kaeding right? you know this for sure, right?
Eli
We still would have had the draft picks, so we could have two other quality players if not Merriman and Kaeding. But the truth is that Rivers is better than Eli – look at QB ratings over the past 4 years. look at the ability to throw deep, look at the fire of the leader. Eli plays behind supposedly the best “O” line in the game and he can not be relied upon to move the team down the field. If there is any pressure on him, he decompensates. A ‘manager’ is good on a tean when the “O” line and “D” are both good, but you need a real QB when you have to rely n him to win the game when the other two factors are not present. In Sports Illustrated, the NFL players recently voted Eli as the most overrated player in the entire league – I trust their assessment. The next week they voted Rivers one of the most underrated in the league. Face it – we got swindled………………. how long are you willing to keep remembering the one great SB run without facing the reality of where we stand now??
Eli is good
The offensive line is bad.
ME! BANE!
by SSreporters on Nov 26, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
"O" Line
Last year SI proclaimed them the best “O” line in the NFL and they have the same guys this year. When the Giants started 11-1 last year, all Eli was doing was handing the ball off and watching the runners gain chunks of yardage – let’s face it, Trent Dilfer could do that (in fact he did with the 2000 Ravens and won a SB). A quality team and quality QB find out how to win when the run is taken away, usually by throwing the ball, but Eli does not seem up, to the task.
you keep quoting SI like anyone gives a rats ass about SI
…they are full of crap most of the time.
Last year…at one point, yea, they were the best. They still are very good, but if you paid attention to this game, they couldn’t block a 3 man rush at times (3 guys got tied up on Vonnie Holliday one play…3!), Dumervil is good, but he blew up Diehl.
They are not teh best O-Line in the game.
Stop with the Trent Difler stuff.
The Giants won with the pass in all 6 of their wins this year. The pass was very good against the Chargers too.
Quaility QB’s can be assured that when they pass well, their RB will feed off of that. Jacobs is not doing that this year.
You’re wrong in your assessment of Eli.
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 27, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
6 WINS
They won with the pass against 4 bad teams and 2 mediocre ones.
I hate to admit it, but Eli appears to be a one-and-done SB winning QB who was in the right place at the right time (a team with momentum, and a good “D” in the playoffs), like Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Jim Plunkett, Doug Williams and several others. In his other playoff appearances, he has been terrible, being shutout (at home!) by Carolina, and last year being thrashed (at home!) by Philly. In those 2 home playoff games, Eli has put a total of 11 points on the board. Face it, Eli is a ‘manager’ not an elite QB. Were it not for the SB win, he would have been tarred and feathered out of town by now.
I am not quoting SI on the ‘overated’ category – it was the poll of the NFL players.
polls of NFL players...
usually has about 30 or so NFL players..and who knows what division its from.
Eli is not the most overrated player in the game…take a gander at what he did last week.
Please stop comparing him to those players.
If you actually paid attention to the 07 playoffs, you’d notice that the running game was not very good and the Giants did actually score points. The passing game was the reason for that.
And you’re obviously not a Giants fan so I’m don with you.
This quote
Were it not for the SB win, he would have been tarred and feathered out of town by nowassures me of that.
We’ll see your Cowboys 12/4.
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 27, 2009 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
or we just saw your Broncos and got the crap kicked out of us. So sorry for the Cowboy comment.
Give your team’s defense credit for chrissakes and get the hell out of here.
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 27, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
YOU'VE GOT ME WRONG
I am a Giants fan (I detest the Cowboys) but I am a realist. These blogs are not only for ‘rah-rah’ but for examining and analyzing the shortcomings of our team. In the 07 playoffs, we played a crappy TB team that had no business in the WC game, then played 3 good games, limilting the opponents to much scoring. Hey, it was a great run and we all loved it………….. but it cannot prevent us from at this point examining the problems with our team and Eli. Do you really think that he is a top quality QB? Based on what? Only one successful foray into the playoffs and lousy QB ratings throughout most of his career? How long are we to be blinded by a string of 4 good games two years ago?
Disagree
The O line has been mediocre. Eli has little time to throw. I can’t pin it on Eli. The O line run blocking is also terrible. Without Eli we lose vs Falcons and have no chance vs SD.
I've noticed that no...
the run blocking is not terrible.
Jacobs is not running where he used to. He’s cutting a hole too late or bouncing it to the outside where he’s too slow and big to gain anything.
I’m pinning a lot of this on the running game…and the running game on Jacobs.
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
disagree.
Eli’s been great at times this year. He’s inconsistent.
It just seems that when his WR drop a pass (Steve Smith….) he seems to fall apart a bit.
There are not many QB’s that can do good when their RB is not even a threat to do anything…which is the case with the Giants right now.
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
No RUN GAME
Rivers does not seem have much of a problem moving the Chargers without a running game…………….
Aside from the Giants game...
TOmlinson gets over 20 carries per game in their wins. Its just to show that its there. The Giants running game is completely useless at this point. Its not useless like the Giants running game right now.
A QB needs the threat of the run to be good. Every good team has it. The Giants running game is no threat right now.
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 27, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
so yea...
he has a run game. Just cuz they don’t rack up a ton of yards doesn’t mean its not effective.
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 27, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
RUNNING GAME???
I don’t know how you think SD has a threat of a running game when before the breakout (when they were waaaay ahead) against Denver, they were dead last averaging 75 yards per game on the ground
Eli's not mediocre. He's good,
but I don’t think he’s as good as many BBVers believe.
How many times
are our d players looking around when the ball is snapped?
It's not just Eli that isn't, wasn't, and probably won't be great --
2007: the Giants are a middling to good team that clicks at the perfect moment, rides it into next season and then the pink cloud evaporates, the heat fades and they become the frogs they really, at their core, are. A 10-6, 9-7, wild card frog. That’s what’s been built over the past 5 years, 2007 was an anamoly (sic). The Giants are not built like the pats, or the saints for that reason (this team is solid in a way the giants never have been.) The pats are year in, year out, in real contention because the foundation is more than solid, it’s a monster that can withstand injuries, bad luck, etc etc .The Giants can’t. They were a lucky wild card team and the fans, myself included, bought into the fantasy they were something more. How many games have they won since late November of 2008? Think about that. It’s beyond this season, it began a year ago and won’t end anytime soon unfortunately. Call me negative. I could care less. The Giants are a love. But I’m tough with them, BECAUSE I’ve loved them so much, for so long, invested so much time. The O line needs major retooling and a trip to the land of ponce de leon. Feagles, out. Tynes, out. D-Line, new philosophy and new stud. Linebackers, stud wanted. DBs, actually, at the end of the day, they won’t be seen as the group that needs the most work, you’ll see.
QB, needs to click into the next gear, may not ever happen, maybe after his 33rd birthday. RB’s, Jacobs will be slower next year, draft! WRs/TEs: set and good to go. So, basically, this entire team needs work in every area, save WRs/TEs. What does all this mean? I have no excuse not to join my girlfriend at Sunday Tango Melangas.
RIGHT ON
I agree. Too bad FreeBradshaw is lost in his personal fantasyland. Eli is not the kind of QB who can take a this team anywhere….. the sooner we admit it to ourselves the better.
yea...fantasy land...
where Eli torched the Falcons last week and this week made plenty of good throws when his guys were actually open and when he wasn’t on his back.
Shame to blame Eli for this one….you can’t throw from your back or when your guys aren’t open.
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by FreeBradshaw on Nov 27, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
The End..........
Thanksgiving’s game gave me nothing to be thankful for. I went to bed before the halftime for the first time in my 67 years as a Giants’ fan. The entire team sucks. The Lions play with more passion. If any of the Giants players worked in the real world – they would all be fired! Aren’t their millions enough motivation? And, Coach C, during his post game conference looked beat and worn out. Put in all the second string and let them play – they want a job. I am disgusted, humiliated and embarrassed. I would be very surprised if we won another game this season – our wins have all come against losing teams and we had to go to overtime to beat Atlanta. And, finally, why does that big bruising running back, Jacobs always get “hurt” and come out – why can’t he pound down defenses and run them over? Who put out the “fire”? Since Antonio Pierce said playing the Raiders was like a scrimmage – that is how we have been playing and now he is possibly out for a season – payback is a bitch. grgiants
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