New York Giants News & Notes: Hoping for a Happy Thanksgiving
by cjmulrain on Nov 25, 2009 7:00 AM EST
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PrintSome short week notes from the transcripts page:
- Tom Coughlin answers some injury questions and basically says he has no idea what's wrong with the defense:
"People keep asking me for an answer. I wish I had an answer. If I had an answer, it would be the end of it. We have not been able to stop those consistent pass drives late in the game. Someone asked me, I think yesterday, about whether there was fatigue involved. I don’t see that at all. You are talking about 50 degrees at this time of year. I just don’t see that. We have given up some pass plays, obviously. We have given up some opportunities. When we could have gotten off the field, we didn’t. We had some third and longs that they converted, too. Keep working."
- Justin Tuck talked about some of the Giants 4th quarter woes. He also had possibly the line of the year, when asked about Thanksgiving dinner plans:
"I eat everyday. I am not worried about necessarily eating on Thanksgiving Day. Hopefully I get to eat some quarterbacks."
Other Stuff
- Recently signed defensive back D.J. Johnson, who spent much of the year on the Broncos practice squad, has apparently been trying to help the Giants get ready for Thursdays game. Remember when some Giants fans were complaining after Andre Woodson got signed to the 'Skins practice squad? The shoe's on the other foot, now. (And oh, by the way: Andre Woodson was recently cut)
- The Philadelphia man who was accused of sending threatening letters to Tom Coughlin has plead guilty. I will use up all of my willpower for the day and not make a disparaging remark about the city of Philadelphia, and just say that this is certainly a strange story.
- The NY Times 5th Down Blog continues its countdown of the Top 10 Moments in Giants Stadium History with the Giants week 17 loss to the Patriots in 2007. I was at that game, and while it almost certainly wouldn't have made the top 10 if it weren't for what the Giants accomplished over the ensuing month, it was really an incredible game and a playoff atmosphere. Way better than the actual playoff game I went to (2005 vs. the Panthers). My two best experiences at Giants Stadium both came during that 2007 season, and I'll be curious to see if the other one makes the top 5.
- Finally - Happy (almost) Thanksgiving everyone! Ed giving me a chance to help out on the front page and the reception from the awesome BBV community is definitely one of the things I'm thankful for this year.
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YES!
Hopefully I get to eat some quarterbacks."
couldn’t have said it better myself!!!
I have a suggestion for Coughlin. How about PENALTIES are what’s killing the D in those 4th Q drives?
I don’t know how he can fix them, he’s not a zebra and doesn’t play CB either.
And Happy Turkey day to all. I heard on the menu some Lions will be eating cheese (I’ll believe it when I see it…), some Raiders will be stealing a Cow or two, and for desert some Horse and QB for those like Justin.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Penalties
I don’t have the numbers in front of me, but it certainly does feel like this Giants team has committed more penalties than Giants teams of the past couple of seasons. Particularly, defensively.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 25, 2009 7:26 AM EST up reply actions
seems they're at the worst possible time too doesn't it?
That Snee penalty in the SD game was a backbreaker.
…and remember the O’Hara one against the Cardinals I believe?
I rememeber a defensive holding was on a 3rd down, it was unnecessary two cuz Ryan didn’t throw the guy the ball.
I was glad to see the offensive line penalties absent last Sunday. THose are fixable anyway. I don’t know what to think about all these defensive ones.
Bit of bad luck too. Those late hits were debatable, that D-holding call was just a case of the ref seeing it
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 25, 2009 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
Window is wide open....
….for someone to step up and be a playmaker!!! TT has stepped up. Who else wants it?!!
by Last year in Sec 127 on Nov 25, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
wasn't that post-season game
the one we got shutout in? ouch! that remains the first and last giants game i’ve ever turned off before the final whistle.
yup, 23-0
I stayed till the bitter end. It was terrible. The cherry on top of that turd sandwich was that we got back to the car and turned on the travel tv my uncle had just in time to catch Carson Palmer getting his knee blown out – I had Palmer as my fantasy QB that year and once the Giants had lost decided I was gonna pull for the Bengals. That was a nice little double whammy.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
A free agent playmaking outside linebacker.
That’s what Matt Roth is, just released by the dolphins, he started last year and was back up to Jason Taylor this year, but trust me, if we could get him to start or back up for us that would increase linebacker speed and playmaking ability of the strong side spot.
Actually he was put on waivers, which might actually be better for us
Do you know why he was cut?
Injury? Attitude? He was a pretty good player, I remember him at Iowa and he was a stud in college, was he a first rounder? Something the Giants should keep there eye on.
I was very surprised
That they cut Roth..I know he was nursing a groin injury but has been playing the past few weeks….I guess they had other positions that needed to be addressed like nose tackle with the loss of Ferguson..but he is a good quick linebacker..He won’t last on Waivers very long..
Furg is on ir so he doesn’t take a roster spot
he was cut because of the emergeance(sp?) of Cameron wake a rookie of theirs so he was expendable.
He has been nursing a groin injury but I think that’s all fine now.
why would we NOT pick him up
and if we did what LB would you cut?
or would it be DJ Johnson who replaced IR’d Wilkerson?
Well..
If you want him to start at de cut toll, if you want him to start at lb cut moss, or hagan. Or gartel if he hasn’t been already, we get Andre brown back next season so we already have 4 rbs.
by ianwestpalm on Nov 25, 2009 1:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Roth
Adam Schefter is reporting that the guy has been claimed by Cleveland — http://twitter.com/Adam_Schefter
by Ed Valentine on Nov 25, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
Roth seems like he wouldn't be any better than Dave Tollefson.
I mean hey, I don’t think it would kill the Giants to grab him (after the Denver game…makes no sense to get him now).
He’s one of those guys that in a 4-3, is too big for LB and too small for DE.
As a pure pass rusher, it couldn’t hurt to bring in some new hungry blood. NOT for the LB position mind you, for the DE rotation.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 25, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions
I'd snatch him up..
He’s big but very very fast.
CBS reporting the Browns have already claimed Roth
He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.
Well Free..
I live down here in South Florida now so I catchh the Fins games and of course root for them because Parcells and his gang took over..Roth is a very solid, fast, and tough kid..He got benched when Jason Taylor came back..He’ll be a starter now for the Browns so any chance of getting him is gone..Now he will play for the great mentor Mangini (barf)..What a shame..The Browns will probably go on strike a year before the league settles on a new contract with the players union…What a nit-wit coach..but there is hope for the Browns..Mangini is one keg of black powder away from getting rocket launched..Another Belichick underling..whose well-schooled arrogance ruins a teams chemistry…We get to play another one tommorrow with McDaniels..I hope he tells our guys some sweet arrogant things during pre-game warm-ups..that little squirt.
don't get me wrong...
I know Roth would’ve been a solid pass rusher..
But he DOES play in Parcells’ 3-4.
Little different than playing in the Giants 4-3.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 26, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
About roth
Either way I think he is a free agent this offseason.
by ianwestpalm on Nov 26, 2009 10:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Eat some QB!
Great line! Lets hope they D up Thursday night and get the W.
Not to harp on the ATL game but NFL network replayed it last night and a few things that I noticed.
The D had about 4 penalties on third downs to keep drives going and my god is the D soft up the middle. It was even more obvious watching the game From D-Tackle to LB to Saftey almost all of ATL plays came on runs or passes up or over the middle. And on a few of ATL’s good runs the whole D slanted one way while the play went another. I don’t know who’s responsible for that (coaching or players) but it seems if they just play there positions they would held them to minimum gains. Too much guessing.
The other thing I noticed about the o-line problems and it kills me to say this is Bossman stuggled big time blocking. Maybe it was just this one game but on Eli’s pick the guy blew right past Boss on on 2 other plays guys Boss was supposed to be blocking crashed down so quick and so hard it blew up the pulling guards and killed the plays before they got started. From the interior guys Snee and Suebert struggled the most lossing one-on-one battles and getting pushed back.
Boss and his blocking
As per Pro Football Focus I was surprised to learn in run blocking Boss was graded first of all TEs. However, in pass blocking he was graded 45th.
A couple of things I noticed about the Atlanta game...
1) I hated us on 3rd on 1 throwing 20 yards downfield into coverage. I know Manning made a great throw and Manningham made a great catch, but let’s get the first down and then do that.
2) I loved us throwing deep to Steve Smith (on FIRST down) for 50 yards. We need to go for that more, but at the right times.
true...
yet, the throw to Manningham was a bit “safer” than the deep bombs that failed them in the past this season.
Also…if the D mitigates throwing downfield like that, say the CB s playing press and they stack the box…I mean why not throw that?
Gotta play to win. The Giants with short yardage running has been such a surprisingly FAIL option this year…why not?
I agree with you…I’d like better timing.
….but that throw to HAM was pretty damn good timing. If its that type of throw, I have no problem with it.
Manning and HAM seem to be on the same page with that play and I wish they’d use it more than every couple games.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 25, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions
Giants short yardage running
has sucked for a few years. I’d love to know the stats. I’d guestimate it’s well below 50%
id like to see more play-action on first down
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 25, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
Great story in Daily News today:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2009/11/25/2009-11-25_lupica_giants.html
I met Tony at Tom Coughlin’s fundraiser this year, he was the lead donor for the TC Jay Fund. He truly believes the Giants saved his life and is giving back as much as he possibly can. Happy Thanksgiving and GO GIANTS!!!
That is an awesome Story..
Thanks for sharing it Jint…incredible and very touching..the charity work he has done since 9/11 is absolutely phenominal..I think I speak for everyone on BBV when I say it is an honor to have a fellow Giants fan, Tony Sichenzio…He’s a hero.
Thanks
i agree with bobbiblue. that was beautiful story.
around the same happened with my father. he was around 50 at the time, and was laid off a couple months earlier. I called him to talk to him about the game in Denver, if he was gonna watch it. He said he would watch it even if he was late to his interview. Turns out he watched the game, and slept in that day.
thank god for the giants. thank god.
by EarthWindFire on Nov 25, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions
Hopefully eat some Quarterbacks!!
That is a classic line..I hope he is hungry enough to eat five or six servings..
Boley NFC Defensive Player of the Week
As a whole I wasn’t impressed by the defense. Boley winning this week’s award is a surprise.
Yea...
I don’t understand that.
Yes, he was all over the field.
But like the rest of the defense, was as much a reason for the 4th Q collapse as any.
The fact that the Giants D gets accolades like #1 D and this Boley Player of the Week award…kind of embarrassing.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 25, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
HAVE TO PLUG MYSELF. CHECK OUT MY FAN POST ON KEVIN BOSS.
Good stuff CJ.
Happy Thanksgiving to all the BBVers!
LET'S GO G-MEN
happy thanksgiving CJ...and to all fellow Giant fans!
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Yes CJ and everyone..Happy Thanksgiving!!
Eat, Drink…and be “Wary”…
Hi GiantsBRFFan!!...
Well, I hope you all have a great day anyway..It is very nice to hear that we have Giants fans in Brasil..That is awesome…Don’t worry too much about not having Thanksgiving there..We cook all morning eat all afternoon..lay on the couch half-dead take a nap and then finally the game will come on the TV..You will proably be one of the only Fans completely alert and ready to root for the Giants..I’ll probably be too bloated and weak to throw my Giants “Nerf Football” at the TV set when they do something stupid…lol
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