I've tried to remain optimistic

by DavidE on Nov 2, 2009 3:53 PM EST Comment 28 comments

I was still optimistic after the Saints loss where we had a total defensive collapse and chalked it up to a bad week - everyone has them

I continued to be optimistic after the Cardinal loss as our offense looked out of sync, but still had a chance despite playing horribly.

It is hard to remain optimistic after a third week in a row. I can't write it off anymore as just a bad game, our team has serious issues that need to be addressed:

Defensively, something HAS to be done.

1) I think giving Aaron Rouse more snaps with the first team in the middle of the week will prepare him better to jump in on Sunday and contribute more than he did yesterday. He covers better than he whose name we shall not speak of and can help more in the secondary.

2) Other than that we just have to wait for Michael Boley and Aaron Ross to come back to the lineup - Chris Canty would be nice too, but I am not as concerned there as I am about our LBs and DBs.

Offensively, we need to shake things up a bit

3) Domenik Hixon is NOT a receiver, he is a return man. Look at the difference between Hixon letting Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie take the ball from him on the deep post and Hakeem Nicks going up and getting the ball when covered one on one -receivers go get the ball and return men let the ball come to them.

4) Regardless of the score we need to play our game. For two weeks we were screaming about how we got out of our game too quickly offensively - too much passing, not enough running, but towards the end of the third quarter we got just that - running ball controlled scroing that took time off the clock and everyone is in an uproar. If we took the field goal the previous possession instead of going for it on 4th and 8 we would have only been down 13 with a whole quarter to play. Kill clock and let the defense rest...that is how we can win games and come back in games.

5) Let's change our audibles and signals. Defenses have studied us and know what they are getting. Let's switch up the audible calling and signal calling and throw a few fake calls in there. Chris Collinsworth pointed out last week that when Eli Manning yells "Omaha" the real snap is coming. The Eagles listened as they were off the ball quicker than our O-Line on too many occassions. Next game yell "Omaha...hut, hut" and watch everyone jump off sides and get some free plays.

6) Lastly, Eli needs to see the field better. On more than one occassion over the last few weeks, receivers have been wide open, but he is zeroed in on the other side of the field and we aren't taking advantage of the opportunities that are there. He needs to go through his reads and throw it away if nothing is there.

This is a list of 5 things just off the top of my head that should be easy to fix (the exception being the injuries) and can hopefully make an impact. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results (mistakenly credited to Einstein, Mark Twain, and Benjamin Franklin, but actually written by Rita Mae Brown), if we don't change some things WITHOUT changing our fundamentals, I think the Giants will cause insanity for us all.

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stop saying this…

Chris Collinsworth pointed out last week that when Eli Manning yells “Omaha” the real snap is coming

Why people give Collinsworth credit for that…I don’t know. Eli’s been doing that for years and teams have known it for years.

But I agree on saying they need to change things up…tho, I think right now is a bit too late…

The only question, and its valid cuz the team can’t figure anything out right now, is do the Giants know the other team knows exactly what they are doing?

They are so predictable…the Giants are lucky they are not the lottery cuz people would be getting the write answer 90% of the time…..

Other than that….I agree with everything.

Saints game was WTF? Cardinals was ..ok, not the end of the world cuz they played good yet HAM couldn’t catch at the right time.

Now is time for official concern.

Its gonna be a long bye week if they play like this next week.

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 3:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Why people give Collinsworth credit for that…I don’t know. Eli’s been doing that for years and teams have known it for years.

Haha, hire Collinsworth for CIA duty cracking counter-intelligence codes immediately!

by Bye, Dawk :( on Nov 2, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

roflmao

I can’t believe an eagles fan made me feel better, especially after yesterday

by Willgfass on Nov 2, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think it time we try something radical

How about a “reverse-omaha”

Omaha means live count. How about for one or two plays, Eli says in the huddle to ignore the omaha, the snap will come at a preset time

Eli barks omaha, than does whatever he says to snap it. Hopefully someone comes off side. If not, keep going until the agreed upon snap time

by Willgfass on Nov 2, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

makes sense right?

Kinda frustrating that here on BBV we constantly come up with solutions…yet the team for 3 straight weeks trots out the same tired gameplan.

THe Omaha thing? I really don’t think that’s the problem….its the actual playcall, Eli needs to roll with it. He’s checking out of it, and the teams know what’s coming.

I actually don’t think the D knows what’s coming if he DOESN"T check.

I’ve heard him say "Omaha…SET…SET!!!…then draw the D offsides (tho that…was absent Sunday and against the Saints…maybe cuz he’s away he doesn’t think he can do it?)

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It was just a thought

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

I agree, we have a big bruising back. We should impose our will on their team. A, you’re going to try to stop us but we’ll run right through you anyways mentality.
I think we’ll have a good chance vs San Diego because their run stopping tackle was injured, and they’ve been pretty porous.
I don’t know what to expect though, we’ll probably end up throwing it 40 times

sigh… I haven’t given up yet though.

by Willgfass on Nov 2, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I would have to say tho,,,

and I said it for this week against Philly, win and everything else is irrelevant.

Tho, unlike the Eagles game…the Eagles game happened at that sort of meltdown (is it meltdown or do they just suck right now?) will always be a concern this season.

But win against SD…and it eases concern (obviously I guess….)

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 2, 2009 4:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

But if we dont

Then we really going to be in a world of hurt. Big difference between 6-3 and 5-4.

by wangstu13 on Nov 2, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I hate to say it but we can get all out injured player back...

even KP and this team would still be in a world of hurt…

our offense is atrocious and healthy defended can not directly save it…

Sheridan’s cover NOBODY zone is an embarrassment as a giants fan…leaving Jackson in zone w/ CC to help over the top was a crime.

even the pressure he brought was ineffective. He blitzed Left, they ran right….and vice versa.

gonna be a long 2nd half of the season…

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Nov 2, 2009 5:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I dont know

I think with Boley and KP in the game we can defend the big pass plays much much better. A playmaker in the LB and Safety crew is a huge difference. Im not saying Michael Boley and Kenny Phillips are Ray Lewis and Ed Reed but they mean a world to our team.

by wangstu13 on Nov 2, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree with KP and Boley

KP covers much more ground than Brown, and allows more room for error in blitizing. Plus, KP always is a sure tackle. Would all of the big play of been stopped? No, but no way weaver would have run half a football field for a TD.

Boley’s speed would have helped us immensely. All the lb’s were on the right side (from the o’s perspective), of course they run it to the left. Boley would have caught up to weaver

by Willgfass on Nov 2, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It's real bad

Let’s just hope we can be better going into the bye week. I anticipate River’s torching us all game. The whole chargers team is a must start in fantasy next week. We need to get healthy, and we might want to start scouting college safeties and linebackers right now. The middle of our defense is nowhere to be found on run or pass. It’s pathetic what a difference a couple years and a few injuries can do for you.

by BravesfaninMontana on Nov 2, 2009 6:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Agree with you

except i think Ross would be the least helpful.
Think about it, Ross plays CB, not safety. Moving someone over to Safety from CB will have its own problems.

The true problem with the D-line is the crappy run defense. Part of its on the LBs, but with Canty, we get a big guy who’ll tie up the Oline.
The dline has gotten good pressure most of the time, but that’s pointless if a full back has more yardage than Jacobs has had some games.

Boley is the most important because he’ll help in everything: run defense, short passes, quick blitzer. He’s like a KP linebacker, he’s everywhere

by Willgfass on Nov 2, 2009 6:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

From an outsiders view

Something is really wrong.

You can point to injuries but usually the stars shine on anyway on the D line but they aren’t (although I thought Osi had a solid performance). Tuck was pretty much silent against Winston Justice all game and I didn’t see Kiwi around the ball either.

Obviously C.C. Brown is lost in coverage, but it looked like Webster may have blown a few plays also.

On offense, I don’t know why Gilbride calls for deep plays after deep play when Eli is clearly struggling. The O-line has not been as dominant and I have been saying this all along that BJac is only great when the O-line is great… He only makes things happen with huge holes — and obviously Ward is a testament to how good a RB can be behind a dominant line.

I can’t figure out if the WRs are playing bad or Eli is playing that bad but I happen to see these WRs open. So when the ball is off the mark you have to wonder was it a bad route or bad throw?

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Nov 2, 2009 10:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

The D is the biggest problem

They started falling off last year and have continued especailly in the D-Line. Osi made a play or two on Sunday but for most of the year he’s been getting pushed wide and doing nothing and guys are running right by him. Kiwi is not living up to a 1st round pick and Tuck has not been as good but that could be due to the fact he’s still injured from the Dallas game and becasue of that they can’t move him inside on passing downs like they used too where he was so effective.

In my opinion the tackles are the biggest problem. Fredd Robbins got old real quick and Cofield just has not improved much since his rookie year.They get no push up the middle and are getting killed on running plays. They are also letting blockers get into the LB’s. Not that the LB’s are playing well but Pierce has had a guy or two on him on several plays. I think the Giants front office knew D-Tackle could be a problem this year and thats why they gave Canty big money to come here along with Bernard. They actually tried to get Haynesworth but would not pay as much as washington did (who would). When teams can consistantly run on you thats a problem and opens everything up.

In regards to the O yea the o-line has not been as good but when your down 2 TD’s early it completley takes you out of your game and I think Eli and Gilbride are pressing and forcing big plays and this team is not build for that The young WR’s are actually ok, sure they’re inconsistant and not on the same page with Eli yet (other than Smith) but they are all under the age of 24 and have 3 or less years expierence thats to be expected. I actually think WR is least of our problems moving forward and at some point it might be a strength but it takes time for that position to develop.

Bottom Line is I think the philosphy this year for the Giants was play tough D, run the ball, and let the young WR’s devolop and improve each week. I think the plan was to win a lot of games 20-14 and have the D keep the O in games like in 07 but the D has continued it’s slide from last season and with some key injuries it has become the worst unit in the League and as such it has totally put too much pressure on Eli and the O and they are just not built for that yet. Think about it usally the Giants D bails the O out of a few games every year but this year he O actually bailed the D out in Dallas. This was not the formula for this team to win this year.

by Landeta on Nov 2, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Its Eli...

it might not even be the playcalling, cuz it seems every defense is gonna give him one look…then he’s gonna switch, they right before he snaps it the D changes to a different look.

Eli’s the one changing to the deep ball. Steve Smith said their gameplan to a T. They’re gonna take chances “if they see them”…..well, the defenese showed them…but they knew you were gonna do it so they changed up.

Eli’s making bad throws. Maybe its the heel, maybe its just the streak of crap that all 3 NFC East QB’s love to go through at some point of the season?

I don’t think its the WR, tho against Arizona that game could have been won if Manningham makes a catch on a ball right in his hands.

I know people wanna talk about how they beat up on bad teams to go 5-0. But this is the most ignorant idea I’ve ever heard.

You gotta beat who you play. I’m sure the Eagles will agree with that.

THis was a different team with a different style of play in the beginning of the season. They’re throwing more, yea, but they also threw the ball short; short, slants, comeback routes, OVER THE MIDDLE dig routes…I just don’t understand what they are doing.

The D is bad right now too. Yet, like I saw in the Cardinals game you can overcome a struggling D by sustaining a few drives.

THe D isn’t all that good, buy its not the worst in the league like it looks right now. Its more middle of the pack if the offense would allow them to stay off the field.

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 3, 2009 7:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I love the line

maybe its just the streak of crap that all 3 NFC East QB’s love to go through at some point of the season?

All 3 NFC East QBs. HAHAHAHA The Redskins don’t even qualify!

by sduncan24 on Nov 3, 2009 11:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

its the truth...

The Redskins were a solid team the past few years…tho

The Giants, Eagles and Cowboys either just are dominant for the whole year…or they have ups and downs.

Its usually due the overall talent but primarily the play of the QB. McNabb, Romo and ELi we can all argue who’s the best, who sucks, who’s overrated…its all moot.

They all struggle, they all show periods of excellence…

Its actually just WHEN they show the excellence….that matters.

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 3, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs