'Kudos & Wet Willies:' Forget the 'Kudos' edition

I believe it has to be the coaches.

We won five games of which four were against the worst teams in the league.

So I think we won four of those games because our players one on one were better than the other teams’s players – so it did not matter about the playcalling or defensive scheme – our players won the one on one match ups and we therefore on the game. The other win was thanks to Romo.

However, talent only takes you so far in this league. So when you play a team with the same talent the better coached team will almost always win and that is what happened in the last three weeks.

Now can we turn it around in the rest of the season – possible, but Gilbride has been with the team many years and you cannot see him changing overnight. Sheridan is either thinking too much or is out of his depth and this needs to be addressed by the first game after the bye.

I say we lose against the Chargers – so we have three weeks from now to in effect save the season and this includes the Chargers game!

Finally, if this keeps up I will get more yard work done instead of following the football.

I don’t know if cutting CC Brown is drastic, but it needs to be done. Not all the blame goes to him, Aaron Rouse sucked too….but this guy is routinely having mental lapses and its killing the secondary.

Its only 3 loses, but this team has looked epically bad in doing them.

TT I thought was a good tackler…but this isn’t the first game he tackled someone like he saw a $100 bill in the dirt.

Ugly stuff. The defense is SLOW. Ed, what the hell happened to the talent you saw in training camp? Kind of a joke right now to think this team has so much talent. How the hell Leonard Weaver, I don’t care how atletic he is, he ain’t no Mike Alstott either, runs for 41 yards?

Another drastic change should be the game planning. Take away some of the check down responsibility of Eli Manning. He’s obviously not seeing something…or he’s looking for something and seeeing too much. He checks the play off before every single snap.

Get the god damn play in and call it.

THis team is just so easy to gameplan for, its not even funny. The defenses they go against look like they have 15 men on the field, while the Giants look like they have 7. Why is there always someone in the back pocket of a Giants WR, while there’s always one on one with the Giants?

Really horrible loss. The bye week couldn’t come at a better time. I really hope they figure something out and grind out a win this week. Going into the bye with 4 straight shit (french…I know) fests will not make a nice 2 weeks off, regardless of who comes back.

this year is that with all of the offseason moves to bolster the D this team was going to rely on winning games with it’s D while the O would run the ball and let the young WR’s grow up and get more and more comfortable each week with Eli. I think it was JR who said when he was questioned about not signing a veteran WR that there are other ways to win games in this league meaning D and running the ball. Now that the D has been so bad I think we are relying on the O to win games for us by passing the ball and they are not ready to that yet. WR takes a while to develop not weeks but seasons and I think becasue of the big deficets and lack of trust of the D, Eli and Gillbrith think they have to win every game and are being ultra agressive with a unit that’s not quite ready for that. Think about it, usually Eli has some stinkers every year but the D and running game bail him out and the Giants win but this year the O actually bailed out the D in Dallas was their only chances of winning the past 3 weeks but could not do it.

I miss James Butler! Hell I might take Will Demps right now.

Can we have our money back. After several games, we ( Management) come to the realization that we made a terrible mistake with your contract.

Check or Money Order will be acceptable.

Thank you,
NY Giants Management.

and that TD to Jackson when he missed webster calling for help did the same thing happen in the preseason vs the Jets on one of their big pass plays for a TD and we all said on this site, gee Kenny Phiips better not get hurt this year or were in for some trouble?

Last week I bashed KG pretty bad. His play calling was better this week, not top, but better. He had a classic I-Formation, out of which he ran a play action! I am horrified by the players! I cannot believe the lack of intensity, urgency, and heart! Should have gone to a no huddle as soon as the score defecit exceeded 20! I

I agree with Ed Defense was atrocious. Letting a FULLBACK run for 40 yards is flat out terrible. I damn FULLBACK!

you guys are simply peppered with injuries. I know the Giants have overcome them in the past, but I think you can reach a “tipping point” when you just can’t compensate adequately for all the holes without leaving even bigger gaps that even averages coaches can exploit, and Reid is better than average. It’s frustrating because better schemes and execution can only help so much until guys get healthy or the back-up improve their execution. the upside is that you still have a good record as a buffer and a bye week later on to get things back on track.

I think Boley is the real deal, but of course he starts getting injured when he comes here. Still, Boley shouldnt be playing with Pierce and Clark. He needs to have another fast, PLAYMAKING LB with him.

As for Pierce, each off season i seem to read stories of how he has been studying, gonna have a great year etc. I just dont see it, he’s hit the wall. This year is his swan song

stinks you figure you would go the Parcells approach and slow the game down – take the time off the clock, reduce the number of plays the D is on the field.

At the moment by the time the D reaches the sideline they are overtaken by the Offence coming off after a three and out!

…right after Hixon fumbled the second half KO return. It was just too painful. If it was a boxing match they would have stopped it.

Right now, the Giants game is being decimated because their foundation – a solid defensive run block, and a strong running game – is weak, but who do you blame?

While the defensive backfield is hurt, the front seven is the same brutal defense that terrorized quarterbacks for the last couple of years. Osi looks like he was out of the game for an entire year and is overrunning plays, helping us lose contain on his edge. Tuck is one of the better defensive ends, but he gets sack-hungry and bites on screen passes too often. Those are just mental mistakes that can be corrected.

On the other hand, our middle has just plain sucked. Robbins and Cofield, for whatever reason, fire into side gaps on every play, leaving the center gap wide open. The responsibility for run tackling then falls to our LBs, and they’ve managed to play themselves out of the game. Pierce, for as smart as he is, doesn’t seem to understand that when you take a bad angle almost anyone can keep you from making a play before the runner reaches your secondary.

I can’t say much about the secondary, because they really suck. Webster is talented, but dumb – how do you get turned around on a straight route to the end zone? CC Brown is an experiment gone horribly wrong.

How much of this falls on Sheridan’s shoulders? More than you’d think, actually. The defense, as a whole, doesn’t seem to know what it’s supposed to be doing on the field. Linebackers are often out of position, running into each other, or creating gaps in zone coverage without the offense doing anything. A lot of that falls at the feet of Sheridan – there’s something he’s doing that has the entire unit confused, and it has to be corrected.

On offense, well, there’s a lot wrong, and I’m not sure how you can correct it.

Let’s start with the offensive line – they’re playing slower than they have in the past. Is it age, or just a down season from a superb one? McKenzie is constantly being beaten on the outside, which has forced us to chip-block on every single pass play since the Oakland game. When we haven’t chip blocked, Eli has been sacked, or hit from behind.

Defenses are also stacking the box against the run. NO at one point had 9 guys in the box on a run play. You’d need to be Jesus Christ to be able to run through that.

If running up the middle isn’t an option, then you’ve got to run side-to-side. he problem here is twofold: Jacob’s MUST have downfield momentum, and McKenzie is constantly getting beat on the edge.

If you’re the type of running back that can only go in one direction, then changing directions is going to be difficult for you. Bradshaw can do it, but he’s not an every down back (yet). Jacobs HAS seen some success, he even had a little against PHI, but they put a stop to that quickly when they realize that McKenzie cannot contain his end.

If you notice, when we run side-to-side we run to one side – the side away from McKenzie. Because he has been so slow off of the ball this season, it has REALLY limited our options. When we run towards his side, it’s inside his gap, not the outside. Since we cannot control that side of the field on the offensive line, we’re forced to run to the side we can control. The problem is that every team knows to stack an extra DB or LB on that side when they’re protecting against the run.

Another problem has been our pass protection – Eli hasn’t had a lot of time back there this season. That comes from not being able to pick up the blitz and missed assignments on the front.

The running backs are OK – they’re just not much they can do right now. Bradshaw can learn to hold on to the ball, but that’s correctable.

The WRs … my god. Can we catch a pass? I was glad Manningham was out of this game because I’m tired of seeing a perfectly placed pass from Eli just get dropped. Maybe we can move Manningham to the DB core, since he has speed but no hands.

Another problem with the WRs? Learn your damn routes. I’ve never seen so many broken routes before. On one INT yesterday, a receiver (I forget his name) broke inside for a 15 yard run – the ball was thrown 30 yards down the field, where the receiver WOULD HAVE been, had he not broken to the inside.

Now, the big problem: Eli and Kevin Gilbride. Eli can be so damn amazing at times, and yet so fundamentally inept at others. Something is not – and has never – clicked between Kevin and Eli. Manning NEEDS to take a long look at the defense before he can snap the ball, because he’s got so much stuff going through his head, and Kevin takes way too long to get the plays in. We’ve got 45 seconds between plays, and a lot of times we’re lining up with less than 15 seconds on the clock. That’s not nearly enough to get set, read the defense, call out the protection, send a man in motion, possibly audible, reset, and snap the ball.

Eli has done well to get all of that off in under 15 seconds as often as he has, but that time crunch is hurting him. He needs the time his big brother gets behind the line to think things through – get this guy in a 2-minute offense and keep him there. It opens up a lot of opportunities.

I don’t blame Eli for the interceptions hes had recently, I blame Kevin Gilbride. The NFL has deconstructed the Giants to the point where they know that “Omaha” means the snap count is live (taking away our opportunity for a hard count), and a run to McKenzie’s outside means play-action pass (chip block to buy Eli time). I’m sure the opposing teams have deconstructed the Giants even further than that, but when your opponents so thoroughly know what you’re going to do, you need to adapt, and Gilbride has failed to do so – when teams KNOW that it’s a pass play, you’re going to get intercepted more often, because the DB’s know they can play the inside without worrying too much about getting blocked for a run.

Of course, the play calling seems to be dictated by how many points we’re down. You’ll always see more passes when you’re down by 14 points than runs, but why are we opening our first drive of the game with a deep bomb? Run the ball, and if it looks like they’re crowding the box, let Eli check down to a short pass. Long balls are nice when you’ve worn a defense out and your WRs can beat them deep, otherwise they’re pretty dangerous.

Overall, we’ve got problems that need to be corrected. Lots of problems.

At 12:45 yesterday I was bashing the NHL for scheduling a Ranger game on a Sunday afternoon during football season. By 1:15 I was grateful for it.

I can’t really add anything to all the great comments that have been already made, other than to say I am thoroughly disgusted with them right now, and I will be quite honest with you, if the ship does not get righted and soon, this coaching staff is going to need a serious re-evaluation at seasons end, from the Head Coach on down

about the McNabb Jackson TD pass, It seems as if the Eagles knew what the Giants were going to do on that play and had planned on running that play all week.

We need to draft a middle LB next year. AP has lost his ability to be effective.

and got shot down, but will say it again.

When Boley returns play him at Safety instead of Brown. After all Rouse is bigger than Boley and plays safety.

Yes we lose out at the LB spot – but the upgrade at Safety is more than better!

Is Dockery still hurt? Can Doc on the other corner and Thomas at safety be as bad as CC ? Or do they just want Thomas to learn the corner spot in case Ross never gets back to full strength. I agree with some of the posts that on both sides of the ball we look slow and flat. Maybe this team really doesn’t want to play for these coaches or maybe they are just that bad right now?? I think we’ll find out a good amount after SD this week.

and while this one is on all involved…the coaches are really to blame here.

This team just looked unprepared. The Eagles? They looked like they knew what was coming every play.

The Giants are just so easy to gameplan for, I’m sure Andy Reid took the O-Line out to Outback after they figured it out and laughed on Wednesday.

Really, the offense is unprepared and just so vanilla…I just don’t know. The defense? How come every single player McNabb throws to is single covered, while every guy the Giants throw to is double and triple teamed?

The Eagles confused Eli right down to the end of the playclock…to which they MUST spend 25 seconds figuring out the play anyway.

Then he checks, then the Eagles just know what’s coming.

The Eagles were a step ahead of the Giants on both sides of the ball. It was really 2 steps cuz the Giants were a step behind themselves.

Really bad.

They need to at the very least come up with some inkling of a solution on Sunday, cuz there’s just not a simple one.

Filling one hole would create another one. I honestly glad to see Thomas step up this year, he had the right attitude from camp and it carried over. Its just frustrating to watch CC watch Jackson fly by him – and there’s another Jackson coming to town this sunday — I dont want to see it happen again.

Defense sucks and the offense is vanilla. Our linemen need to get mad about something and bring the pain. These teams know what we’re going to do before we do. Maybe a freakin’ no huddle! Do Sheridan and Gilbride have a pulse?!?! Let’s go Coach TC!!! This is why you are here!

It’s much better to have a swoon now than December. I’d rather they get this ugly play over with and our of their system and start playing efficient and solid fball down the stretch!