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For the New York Giants, time is now for some changes

Hopefully we will see a lot more of linebacker Clint Sintim (97) for the remainder of the season.

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Hopefully we will see a lot more of linebacker Clint Sintim (97) for the remainder of the season.

The bye week is over. The New York Giants have had time now to look in the mirror and assess what has gone wrong during their current unexpected four-game slide into mediocrity.

The question now is simple. What can they do to turn things around over the next seven games? Can they get back to being the team we all thought they were going to be, and that they were through a 5-0 start?

Defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan was asked last week about using the bye week to make changes in areas where his defense has been struggling. His answer, I thought, was instructive not just for the defense but for the Giants as a whole. I am taking a little editorial license with Sheridan's remarks, removing the parts where he specifically discussed red zone defense.

"You can sit back and look at a nine game self-scout and kind of take a picture of what you are doing ... How you are playing defense and what kind of calls you are or are not making. It gives you a chance, about a couple of days to do that, to maybe rethink some thoughts defensively about what you can do maybe a little differently," Sheridan said. "You can’t make dramatic changes but you definitely can modify it ... I think you can step back and take a look at what you are doing and maybe consider some other types of things."

Like I said, I think Sheridan's words apply to the entire team. Tom Coughlin, Kevin Gilbride, the players -- everyone. Now that they have had time to think about what has gone wrong, can they make some changes to get this ship sailing back in the right direction?

Here are my suggestions for things I would like to see the Giants do differently during the remaining seven games.

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A lot more Brandon Jacobs. Is he running well? Isn't he running well? I'm tired of talking about it. Fact is, during the four-game skid he simply hasn't been running enough. In four losses Jacobs had 7, 13, 20 and 11 carries, 12.75 per game. In the five previous wins, Jacobs had more than 20 carries three times and no less than 16 in any game. He averaged 20 carries in those five victories. When the Giants are playing football their way, dominating teams physically and controlling the clock, Jacobs is punishing defenses 17-25 times per game. It's time to stop protecting the 6-foot-4, 270-pound Jacobs and start using him. As Yogi Berra would say "it's getting late early around here."

Stick with the short passing game. The Giants offense got back to the short, ball-control type passes against San Diego, and it's a trend I would like to see continue. There is a time and place for the long ball, and it is awesome when it works, but let's be honest. After beating up on JV teams the early part of the season Gilbride and Eli Manning fell in love with it. The Giants best receiver, Steve Smith, is a machine on short-to-intermediate routes. Mario Manningham and Hakeem Nicks are showing the ability to turn short throws into huge plays. Kevin Boss is a quality tight end. You don't have to throw the ball 40 or 50 yards downfield to make teams pay for stuffing the box or blitzing the house. Short, quick completions they can't cover -- and ones that occasionally turn into huge gains -- will do the trick. Besides, we are heading into that time of year in the Meadowlands where we know throwing the ball down the field will become more and more dicey. So, stick with what you do best, and what has the best chance to succeed.

Give me some Ramses Barden. Please. I know the third-round pick from Cal-Poly is a work in progress. And I know he has to contribute on special teams to be active on Sunday. But the guy is a 6-foot-6 physical freak, and he needs to be given an opportunity to get on the field and make a couple of plays. Even if Barden doesn't run perfect routes, I saw over and over during training camp that he can use his size and strength to make plays in traffic even when he seems covered. C'mon, now! Is Sinorice Moss really helping the special teams enough to keep Barden inactive every Sunday? I don't think so.

Unleash Danny Ware. We all love Ahmad Bradshaw, but it is plain to see that AB's foot and ankle injuries are slowing him down. His production just hasn't been the same in recent weeks. Ware has fresh legs, gobs of talent and he is dying for an opportunity. I think it's time the Giants give him one.

More Clint Sintim. During pre-season, a lot of folks thought Sintim, the second-round pick, would be the Giants rookie who had the biggest impact this season. A leg injury has derailed the young linebacker, but he is healthy now. Danny Clark might grade out OK on film, but we all know he is not a play maker. The Giants need play makers on defense right now, guys who are fast, strong, athletic and can make plays that change games. Michael Boley and Chris Canty might be those kinds of players. Sintim, too. The Giants need to get him on the field and see what he can do.

Less zone blitz. In fact, no zone blitz. Rip it out of the defensive playbook. I really, really hope that Bill Sheridan has looked at his propensity to call zone blitzes -- something he promised he would not do -- and realize that is the dumbest defense ever invented that is not called the prevent. Dropping Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Mathias Kiwanuka into coverage against tight ends is stupid, a recipe for failure. Let them do what they are paid to do, and what they do best, go crush some quarterbacks.

A little faith, Tom. The worst thing a head coach can do is play not to lose, rather than show faith in his eam and play to win. TC played not to lose at the end of the San Diego game, and ended up losing. If he allows the Giants to take a shot into the end zone and it doesn't work I can stomach that loss a lot easier. I also think TC's lack of faith is hurting the kicking game. Coughlin is so afraid of returns he has Jeff Feagles kicking everything out of bounds, and now Feagles -- one of the best directional punters ever -- is all screwed up. He's got Lawrence Tynes kicking squibbers and bouncers and God-awful looking kickoffs all over the place. Show a little faith in your coverage teams. And your quarterback, Tom. That's what you did in 2007. Don't show fear. Show belief.

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my work pc is REALLY poo

so voting doesn’t actually work.

so here’s my vote: Yes.

Feel free to call me an idiot, but i have a feeling that we’ll turn things around.

by catsmeat84 on Nov 17, 2009 7:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

to actually reply to your post

I can’t help agreeing with you, ed. All your points seem obvious to me, but then i’m in suprisingly sunny london and not in new york/jersey. I’m not in the hotseat at all, none of us fans are. i just hope the giants spent the bye week wisely.

by catsmeat84 on Nov 17, 2009 7:35 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Heart vs Head

I live and die just like everyone else around here, but until the boys show me some changes, I would have to say NO on the playoffs.

I hope I’m sooooo wrong. But historically this team surfaces to the Superbowl ever few years (which is great) and then drops off into the pack or lower. I think we have to much talent to drop off far, but a couple of injures, bad coaching and sub par players can have that effect. If we are going to be compared to the Dynasty teams, then we have to put together consistent play year after year.

So prove me wrong Blue and get back on track.

by EverBlue on Nov 17, 2009 7:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I am still in the NO category for making it

as the Giants have to show me something to make me think they actually want to make the play-offs. I saw flashes of it versus San Diego, but the inability to close out the game just erased any goodwill I had accumulated in that game. If they beat Atlanta (and deserve to win), I will be feeling better about things, but they have to win at least 2 out of 3 in division to have a realistic shot, and that will be tough slogging.

by brisulph on Nov 17, 2009 7:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I've been saying all along the Giants will be fine.

4 loses suck, but its the NFL. Just cuz the Giants play in the NFL doesn’t mean they are immune to streaks of suck like everyone else is. 2 Weeks ago the Eagles and Cowboys were battling it out for the NFC championship game. Now look? The Eagles are doing what they do every year (yesterday was actually the anniversary of McNabb’s tie game…)

The way a team plays can change overnight.

Its kinda sad how so many people forgot how banged up this team was at the start of the losing streak. We just had a bye and it looks like all of those guys who were going to come back this season, are back.

We’re healthy. Everyone else is banged up now. Everyone else has questions and the Giants had a bye week like the Cowboys had a few weeks ago, every thing good happened.

They’re making the playoffs. Then go from there.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 17, 2009 8:00 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Injuries

Ed posed the question during the losing streak "Is this team simply not as good as we thought it was?’

I would have to say no, THAT team was not as good as we thought the Ginats would be coming out of camp. Because of injuries, that was a different team. We weren’t expecting Kehl and Clark to be chasing down backs and TE’s. We weren’t expecting Bruce Johnson to be thrown into the mix so much.

We weren’t expecting to rely on Bad Bad to cover deep deep or Eli’s foot to make it so easy for him to throw like bad Eli or Flozell Adams to play so dirty that Tuck throws his shoulder out for weeks.

Along with the non-small task of fixing play calling and play making, getting the injured back will be the recipe for a playoff run.

by Jaybat on Nov 17, 2009 9:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

they seemed to fix the play calling somewhat last week.

They made Eli more conservative in his check’s at the line, tho of course in the all-important part…a little too conservative.

Finding the right balance is tough on that.

Play making, of course getting healthy is gonna help that. Eli’s heel was hurt, but he said himself it felt fine before the last one and it showed.

As long as they remember who they are, they’ll be fine the rest of the way.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 17, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Special teams

Any chance of the Gmen taking a look at Carroll aka Batman just waived from the Jets he would make an immediate impact on special teams something we really need

by greg a on Nov 17, 2009 8:00 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Don't know

But there is a reason the guy keeps getting cut from teams.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 17, 2009 8:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Playoffs

I’d say the Giants make the playoffs, though I think we’ll get in the same way we’ve gotten in the past few years (barring last year)—simply put: The NFC is terrible. If the playoffs started today, we’d be tied with the Green Bay Packers and the Atlanta Falcons, neither of which have much room to talk about being better than us.

It’s tough to call because these are also the same Giants prone to late season slumps, and I hesitate to wonder what exactly seperates us from the ‘06 Giants or the ’05 Giants who manage to squeak into the playoffs simply because there’s no one better.

That said, I have faith in this team. The San Deigo game showed me that the ‘08 Giants exist in this current roster, and I’m going to remain optimistic that we can turn this around. I just thank God that we play in the NFC

by RolloT on Nov 17, 2009 8:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Calling their playoff hopes

prior to this game vs. the Falcons is a bit like calling a coin while it’s flipping through the air, but if I gotta make the call I’ll say yes. The opportunity is still so available. Even if they lose this week, the door isn’t shut, which is amazing. The teams they’re fighting with for the wildcard spot aren’t actually all that good. If the Giants get on a mini-roll, you know this would be the last team anyone would want to play in the first round.

by rzor on Nov 17, 2009 9:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

There is no middle ground on this

If we win we will think playoffs.

If we lose there will be plenty of standing room on the ledge as we will have all jumped.

Looking at the Pats – Colts game and the 4th down gamble at the end of the game made me think of the Chargeres game.

What we should have done is gone for it on 4th and goal using a QB/Jacobs draw. Think about it – it may catch the Chargers off guard and we score – game over – or we fail and the Chargers need a FG to tie but would be starting inside their 5 – maybe their one – which puts our defence in a much better position to close the game.

Does anyone agree with me?

by G Fan in England on Nov 17, 2009 9:24 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I do

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Nov 17, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agree on all a that

except there being no middle ground. I sure as shit aint jumping.

I’d rather have the Giants destiny in their own hands, but its really not like even at 5-5 the division’s out of reach.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 17, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Believe it when I See it

This is the last line from the quote above by Sheridan – " I think you can step back and take a look at what you are doing and maybe consider some other types of things." MAYBE CONSIDER?! Way to go out on a limb there, boyo. So until I see actual changes on D that lead to better overall play and wins, I will remain skeptical and worry about the mindset of a team that resists change. Now, to respond to the points above – A Lot More Brandon Jacobs. Yes, can’t argue with that. But to mention more Jacobs and not talk about the lackluster play of the OL in opening the holes we, and Jacobs have seen in the past is to make it his problem. Whether it’s the schemes or the fact that the OL is a year older, they’re getting beaten off the ball consistently by the better teams, the line play has just not been there. Of course they’re dealing with an overloaded box on most downs. The reason Jacobs is averaging a half yard less per carry isn’t a choice he’s making; the holes are simply not there. Stick with the short passing game. Again, no argument here. And add to that some screens (any would be nice) and more, more, more Boss. And understand, this team, at this moment, does not have a real or consistent deep threat. Give me some Ramses Barden. Again, yes. But don’t forget the greatest red zone threat of all – Kevin Boss releasing after a block and finding himself alone in the corner of the end zone. Every team in the NFL uses this. When we do it it is a surprise. Learn to use this play. Lather, rinse and REPEAT. Unleash Danny Ware. A qualified yes. Healthy players are better than unhealthy players. Let’s see what he can do. But please don’t think that Ware or Barden are any sort of answer. They are, at best, part of a much bigger answer. More Clint Simtin. Once healthy, I have wanted this kid in the games doing what he does best – rush the passer. Yes, more and more Clint Simtin. And I would add more of any and all of our younger, more athletic linebackers that would keep Pierce and Clark off the field for long stretches. Less Zone Blitz. Yes and yes. And I would love to see a game where none, NONE of our defensive linemen drop back into coverage. I think we all would. Regarding TC having faith in his team – this is a tough one. In business, decisions are made based on prior work. A great screenplay goes to a studio but it’s done by a first time writer. The studio would rather spend 50 mil on a weak script by an established writer than go with the first-timer because THAT WAY THEY CAN TELL THEIR SHAREHOLDERS THAT THEY FAILED WITH THE BEST. They’re off the hook for the decision. It is this thinking that rules TC’s mind. He would rather fail with Pierce than try something new. He would rather fail with misguided offensive and defensive schemes and plans than try something new. And he will clearly try to play “Giants football” and “impose our will” on both sides of the ball when it is clear that neither the OL or the DL, this year, this season, with rare exception, is up to the task. But he’s failing with what he knows. So before I get too happy with what happened when the Giants didn’t even play and I saw no changes as a result, I will be curious to see how they play against an ATL team without Turner. And then the short week game against the Broncos, possibly without Kyle Orton. I don’t like the fact that the Giants are already whining about having to play that game on Thursday. To which I would say, Shut Up and Play. As for the playoffs, based on what I’ve seen in 9 weeks – no. And based on the changes I don’t see coming – again, no. Would I like to be surprised – yes.

by nybaseballgiants on Nov 17, 2009 9:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hire...

….Ed V. as The Giants Consultant.

by Last year in Sec 127 on Nov 17, 2009 9:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I would take the job

It’s gotta pay better than blogging. LOL!!

by Ed Valentine on Nov 17, 2009 10:26 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Playoffs...Playoffs?!?!?!

Look let’s not get ahead of ourselfes, yes the giants can turn it around, but right now they have to prove they can win a game. At this point in the season I will take it one game at a time. How about just beating Atlanta for starters!

by Late for Dinner on Nov 17, 2009 10:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Playoffs

As much as I hope the Giants are going to make the playoffs, I don’t believe that it is going to happen. 1) Coughlin’s and Gilbride’s offensive schemes are predictable and place the Giants in more FG opportunities than TDs. That’s OK, but not when your PK is Lawrence Tynes. 2) Coughlin’s rigidity at not giving some of his younger players chances, detract from the success of the team. OK, so Barden and Beckum don’t know the playbook; still they give you opportunities on the field that you cannot obtain from some other players. In particular, you’re going to need both of them when the swirling winds at the Meadowlands force the Giants into a short passing game. Has Coughlin and Gilbride prepared the offense to be successful vs. Phila. and Dallas at home when the weather turns? 3) Get the old LBs off the field. They are slow and can’t cover RBs and TEs out of the backfield. Clark and Pierce are no longer effective in passing downs. Pierce needs to be replaced next year, but has Coughlin and Sheridan prepared Goff or anyone else to take over as defensive captain/signal caller? In the meantime, they need to get Sintim and Boley on the field more often, and maybe give Goff soem reps.
4) Unless Reese has something up his sleeve, the deep secondary is still porous. Rouse was not a cover safety at GB and will be exposed by the better passing teams.
5) Brandon Jacobs is tiptoeing to the line-of-scrimmage. I don’t think that giving him the ball at a greater rate is going to make much of a difference unless you get him moving with momentum towards the line of scrimmage with the ball (e.g., pitchouts). In addition, the OL is just not pushing the defensive opposition up the field as in the past. The running game needs a new injection of either a healthier Bradshaw or Danny Ware.
6) Sheridan (yes) needs to stop the zone blitzing and keep Tuck et. al. where they best excel and that is pass rushing on the line. 7) The directional punting has to be used with greater discretion and not on every Feagles punt (especially when punting from deep in one’s own territory).

by royhobbs7 on Nov 17, 2009 10:34 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

playoffs

NYBASEBALLGIANTS – agree with much of what you posted. Sorry but I posted before reading your comments and realize that we agree on most issues. But why can’t the coaching staff adapt to some of the strategies that are suggested?

by royhobbs7 on Nov 17, 2009 10:39 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I heard an NFL coach on the radio once say,

“When a coach starts listening to fans, his days in coaching are numbered.”

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Nov 17, 2009 10:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

RoyHobbs, er, The Natural

The coaching staff can’t adapt because that’s not who they are as people starting from TC. And the usual suspects will jump all over this and remind me of how TC adapted in ‘07 and didn’t we win the SB? And i will say that that was the aberration and not the rule and giving your veterans more of a say is a lot less like adapting and more like just surviving when your veterans are pissed at what you’re doing. Since Plax went down we have seen little to nothing in the way this team is coached or approaches the game. That is squarely on the intransigent head of TC.

by nybaseballgiants on Nov 17, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cannot agree more

The Sintim comment ( plus Canty) is a no brainer. I would rather see Sintim making plays and making mistakes than see Clark any more.

Ware too but it will be hard to tell AB to back off.

At the begining of a season everyone is healthy and all is optimism. This board – for the most part – saw the Giants as better than they really are. Pretty human.

We are back to reality.

Giants are a top 10-12 in the league team. Until Manning is consistent or the D plays like the Monsters of the Midway on a regular basis they will stay there.

I am OK with that. Make the playoffs. Then see if 2007 is possible again.

Nice post Ed.

by MSP Giant on Nov 17, 2009 11:03 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

DEAD ON!

All of your suggestions are dead on. What I don’t understand? What do the coaches not understand? The fans appear to have a better grasp.

1. There’s no excuse for running BJ 12x per game. Especially since the first time this season he has appeared to be running with some authority and power.

2. There’s nothing wrong with taking a shot down the field. At the appropriate time. The appropriate time is not on 3rd and 3 down 7-0. In that spot you have to move the chains and keep the drive alive. Take a shot off a turnover or on 1st or 2nd down after your offense has already gotten a first down on their current drive.

3. It’s painfully obvious our red zone offense is terrible. It’s been terrible under TC. 22nd in the league under TC/KG. What they’re doing is not working. For the Christ’s sake try something different. What has happened to play action pass. It has disappeared from the Giants play book. Give Barden a chance. Again what you’ve done hasn’t work. It’s time to change it up. The Giants have to get Boss more involved in the offense. It seems with every catch he’s making a big play.

4. Zone blitzes? Plain and simple. It’s gotta go. How many times does the D need to be burned to realize it doesn’t work. Allow your d-linemen to do what they do best. RUSH the passer.

5. TC. We all love TC. Bottom line. He’s done a shitty job this season. He needs to take the leash off some of the rookies. We won the SB in 2007 in a large part because he allowed the rookies to flourish.

by FrankB0318 on Nov 17, 2009 11:13 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Playoffs

PLAYOFF PLAYOFFS, Sounds like a echo.we have to win at least five more games before thinking playoffs get real.

by muttsey88 on Nov 17, 2009 11:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

yea...

cuz the Cowboys and Eagles are winning 5 more games.

Get real.

…be nice if the Gints won 5 more games tho.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 17, 2009 11:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No opinion for one more week.

As someone who’s been down on this team all season — yes, even during the high school part of the schedule, it was plainly obvious, to me at least, that this team had major holes that would bite them in the ass with better competition. That said, it’s a new season starting Sunday, they win, show improvements in execution and play-calling, then we might have something. Until then, lets not talk playoffs.

by ZILLAG on Nov 17, 2009 12:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

zone blitzes

Carl Banks was saying their pointless in our defensive scheme. Zone blitzes are like playaction in that they need normal blitzes to set them up. It’s like running playfakes with no running game

by queler on Nov 17, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Backup QB Syndrome

I get the thread – but generally speaking when you don’t see certain guys playing – they are not playing for a REASON. Any coach puts his BEST players on the field, isn’t that in their best interest? I would guess that Jacobs and Bradshaw are playing because they are BETTER than Ware at this point. Maybe Ware can run, but does he know the blitz pickups? Is he a good blocker? Coaches know a heck of alot more than we do about these players than we do and I just have to laugh that the answer to anyone playing crappy is that we need to play the CRAPPIER player that can’t beat them out in the first place. I would bet Sintim doesn’t know all the schemes and responsibilites yet as a rookie, that Ware is probably rusty and in the same boat as a virtual rookie – and Barden is INACTIVE – and yet he should be playing? Yeah, i bet he and Eli have a great sense of timing down by now. Sheesh……

The best QB on any team with a struggling starter is always the backup QB – until he actually plays and then people scratch their heads and wonder what they were thinking…

by dubsrub on Nov 17, 2009 4:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agree and disagree

I think it is much more than knowing all the schemes and responsibilities. I think it is the mindset of an intransigent set-in-his-ways head coach who would rather go down with Pierce and Clark, the devils he knows, than give significant playing time to younger, more athletic LBers, a.k.a. the devils he doesn’t know. What good has it done us the past weeks with Pierce knowing all the schemes and responsibilities? As for Ware and Jacobs/Bradshaw, the issue there always has been the OL but you won’t hear much of a peep about them on here. As for Ramses, using him in a red zone package running routes all receivers have run since they were children and match-up problems will present themselves. But our non-athletic LBers, with the exception of a healthy Boley – please, let the kids loose.

by nybaseballgiants on Nov 17, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"...let the kids loose...,"

Yup. Or atleast gradually give them more and more playing time.

by blue gonz on Nov 17, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Needs

It’s time to get both Sintim and Boley in the games, but we still need to improve the secondary.
Sintim and Boley will increase LB rating from 4 to 7, but the secondary rate are still at 4.
Giant rating went from 5.8 to 6.1, Falcons are 6.
Good luck Giants

by Olddiehard on Nov 17, 2009 7:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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