For the New York Giants, optimism has to be the order of the day
by Ed Valentine on Nov 16, 2009 7:00 AM EST
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PrintAs a New York Giants fan, it has been difficult to feel good the past several weeks. We have seen lots of bad football, especially on defense, some inexplicable coaching decisions and, ultimately, four bad losses in a row.
All of which has turned what looked like it would be a great season into what, right now, is a head scratcher.
Yet, I have always tried to be a voice of reason around here. When things have gone bad and others headed for the ledge, I have always been the one of the voices trying to talk panicked fans back from the brink.
My wife would never believe it considering my day-to-day grumpiness, but I am always optimistic about this Giants team. I have been thinking a lot lately about whether or not that optimism is misplaced. Even before settling in and watching a Sunday full of NFL games not involving our Giants, I had concluded that my optimism is, indeed, well-founded.
Oh, and what happened Sunday?
- Carolina 28, Atlanta 19
- Green Bay 17, Dallas 7
- San Diego 31, Philadelphia 23
Yep, all the teams the Giants are chasing for a playoff berth lost. The Giants are now tied with the Packers, Eagles and Falcons for a wild-card berth, and are just a game behind the Cowboys in the NFC East.
As 'Step Up and Make Big Plays' said in Sunday's Open Thread "This has been absolutely the best week for the NY Football Giants in the past month."
The season is far from lost. In fact, it is just beginning. You can moan about the Giants' remaining schedule if you like. It will be difficult, without question. Or, you can look at it this way. The Giants have in front of them home games against Atlanta, Dallas, Philly and Carolina -- all teams with designs on the playoff spot the Giants seek. What better way to control your destiny than head-up against your primary competition. They have road games against Denver, Minnesota and Washington.
So, this won't be easy. But then again, is it supposed to be?
General Manager Jerry Reese was adamant during a recent conversation with Ralph Vacchiano that he has lost no faith in a team he sees as a Super Bowl contender.
"We have a great opportunity to right the ship and I fully expect us to do that. I really do," he told The News. "Our coach has been in hard spots before. He always comes out with a good plan and great leadership. I'm not betting against him, I can tell you that."
In fact, Reese said, he's already seen signs that Tom Coughlin has begun to pull the Giants out of their slumber. He pointed to the fact that the Giants "played much better" last Sunday in their 21-20 loss to the San Diego Chargers. He also pointed out that with the return of linebacker Michael Boley and defensive tackle Chris Canty, and with the expected return of cornerback Aaron Ross next Sunday against the Atlanta Falcons, the beleaguered defense is starting to get most of its missing pieces back.
That could be enough to jump-start the Giants. And as they learned in 2007, all it takes is one win to get a team on a roll.
"We still have a great opportunity to qualify for the tournament," Reese said. "That's what's important to us. If you qualify and you get some momentum going through the playoffs, things can happen.
"But our No. 1 goal is to just win one game. That's what's most important for us right now. The players have a few days off to clear our heads, come back with a good attitude and some great fortitude to be determined to go out and get things thing turned around. I believe we'll do that."
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I know it doesn't really affect the Giants...
but you gotta add the Patriots choking as another good part of Sunday. Every time a Boston team chokes, an angel gets its wings.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Jets losing
also put a smile on my face. It just didn’t apply to what I was writing.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 16, 2009 7:27 AM EST up reply actions
It's so sweet when they loose
Ed check out a post I had on the game day thread about why I dislike the Jets, I think you’ll get a kick out of it.
I thought it was unfortunate
and one of a few games decided by refs…. I have talked about this before, and I saw some comments from a few posts ago that people seem to agree officiating is a major problem in the NFL. Bottom line, that last offensive play the ball was caught beyond the 30. To not review the play that decided the game (@ 1:57) was atrocious. Belichik made the right call and should have been rewarded with the results. Honestly, “the booth” should call down every time they see a play that may have been the wrong call.
I’m glad to be able to say this in a week that it wasn’t the Giants. This is my opbjective opinion. Every week in 2-3 games, the wrong team wins because of bad officiating, and it’s inexcusable. It hasn’t been the Giants this year, but if/when it is, given what we have riding on a strong finish, I will be apeshit!
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Nov 16, 2009 7:55 AM EST up reply actions
p.s.
amen on the original post
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Nov 16, 2009 7:56 AM EST up reply actions
yo FB
Every time a Boston team chokes, it makes a tiny fraction back from the greatest choke of all time in the hostory of sports. The Sox were on the right side of that one.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Nov 17, 2009 8:16 AM EST up reply actions
The season hasn't
reached a point beyond reclamation. The next few games will tell us a lot.
Ps, looking at JR's
comments make it clear that TC will be around at least until the expiration of his contract. Talk of throwing him under the bus wastes time and energy.
Yes it does
He isn’t going anywhere. The organization has faith in him, and justifiably so.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 16, 2009 7:45 AM EST up reply actions
Well, my faith is in JR ...
whether this is a Giants’s year or it’s 2010, having a stellar GM who is in his 40’s is the biggest reason for optimism for the next couple of decades !
I agree
In Reese We Trust, and we will be in good hands as long as he is the GM.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 16, 2009 8:39 AM EST up reply actions
I agree about JR
he’s got a real eye for talent and he’s rebuilt the WR position and the CB position very nicely lets hope he can do the same for LB’s and DT.
I think we all have to admit he made his first real mistake this year by not having quality backups at the saftey position. He could not predict what happend to KP but there should have been more depth at Saftey. He took a gamble and he lost.
And think of the pressure he was under to replace Plax ...
but didn’t fold like that other Jerry did in getting Roy “Alligator Arms” Williams for his entire 2009 draft …
Nice point
Think about how keeping those picks allowed the Giants extra picks like Sintim and Barden and they still have there full allotment of picks for 2010 to replenish the DT’s and LB position and we still have good WR’s. JJ gave up most of his 2009 draft for Roy Williams yet there best WR in Miles Austin was already on the team. They could of used those picks for a guy like Nicks and some extra o-line men to replace some of their older guys but instead Jerry had to make headlines and trade for Roy Williams.
Agreed
on the safety stuff. You can’t always do everything you want to, but he came up short in terms of safety depth.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 16, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
I think we're putting too much faith into Reese
He’s had one pretty good draft, but not much since then. His drafts have been okay, but nothing exceptional. His FA signings have also been pretty disappointing. He’s allowed for the LB and S positions to become depleted. A couple years ago Danny Clark was the only free agent signing of the off-season. Building through the draft is great, but when you only sign one FA then you’re setting your team up for disappointment. This year Reese has gone out and made bigger signings, but none have panned out. Canty, Bernard, Boley , and especially C.C. have been virtual busts up to this point. Reese should have the foresight to see that players like Goff, Kehl, Wilkinson, and Blackburn are good players, but not good enough to be starters on an elite defense. I think Reese should be blamed for this season’s troubles as much as anyone else.
wrong
It’s not the GM’s job to foresee injuries, which are the reasons why you haven’t seen much from Boley, Canty, and Bernard. CC Brown was not signed to start. He was picked up after an injury from a thin pool of candidates. Better luck next time.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Nov 17, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
DISAGREE
Every draft pick is not going to pan out. IMO the 2008 draft was very successful. Prior to his injury KP is a star in the making. Terrell Thomas has played well. Manningham has stepped up. Goff has played well on special teams.
as well as .....
QB age 28, WR 24, 23 and 21 and TE 25. Our passing game is solidified for the next 6, 8 to 10 years. Providing they stay healthy and we sign them to extended contracts.
I watched the entire Falcons game.
The way the Giants looked against the Chargers, they really should beat the Falcons. Tony G is not Antonio Gates at this point, he really looked slow so I think Boley can shadow him well.
Matt Ryan seemed off even as Carolina’s coverage wasn’t exceptional, they were merely in the vicinity.
Also, the Falcons defense is atrocious. The Giants, as usual actually…, should follow the Panthers plan of run, run run…short pass to Steve Smtih and then maybe hit HAM or Nicks on a fade stop, cuz they seemed to play a lot of man coverage.
They have no pass rush either. Zero.
Very winnable. Just keep it on the ground and double team Roddy White on the others side, none of the other WR are playmakers and even Tony G isn’t much more than a smart TE with good hands.
"It ain't over till its over"---
Copy their gameplan
Run it and Throw it to Steve Smith.
Just ask Carolina for their game plan, I’m sure they’d be more than happy to oblige
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
On 3rd down, throw it to Smith.
Injuries
All those big injuries yesterday should help our gmen as well. Hopefully we won’t have to see Michael Turner next week!
boooooo
hooray for injuries = -1
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Nov 16, 2009 8:29 AM EST up reply actions
Love the optimism
The Giants are right there and every other contender looks very beatable. They just need to get their swagger back with their health & they can make a run.
by potroast on Nov 16, 2009 9:16 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Run it!
The Falcons looked very weak on the run D yesterday, and those short crossing routes ( Boss and Smith ) should be there all day on Sunday.
by jjamesgrant18 on Nov 16, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions
aw shucks, thanks Ed!
Apparently I finally said something worth repeating.
PS — Still worth repeating: AP is dead weight. :)
by Step up and make big plays on Nov 16, 2009 10:48 AM EST reply actions
you guys must REALLY
wanna see the D fall apart……
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 16, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Nope,
eliminating the worst athlete on the defense could only improve the team. I mean even CC Brown knows how to hit people. I’m sick of this garbage “leadership” excuse. AP brings nothing now. That D has been running around with its head cut off all year. He’s done we need to move on with someone who can move not a Dunkin Donut spokesman.
Jerry,
Please cut Antonio Pierce.
Thanks,
DB
?
Well I’m glad you have nothing to do with “cutting AP” on the Giants.
“Leadership” is not some cakey horsecrap cliche. QB of the defense is not something to be taken lightley.
Does AP need to go? Probably.
But every single time he’s not in the lineup, even when the D was at its best last year and in 2007 (in which, Pierce still wasn’t very fast or athletic) the D took about 10 steps back.
This guy is the glue of the defense. This isn’t Madden, taking him out of the picture would KILL this defense right now
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 16, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Duk and you both have good points, FB
He is the worst athlete on defense and possibly, with CC gone, its greatest weakness. He’s also the guy we rely on to call D signals. Is there no other LB who can do that job? It’s not rocket science. A guy like D’Ossie, could he play MLB? Certainly, physically, you would think he’d be better than AP. Yeah, he’s slow, but slower? I don’t think so. He graduated from an IVY League school, so you would think he’d have the smarts. Why not try him for a series or two and see how he does? How about Danny Clark? He’s been around forever. He must have learned a thing or two. It doesn’t have to be one of those guys, but surely there’re some LBs that could do an adequate job calling signals and could be a better physical presence than AP. What happens if AP goes down? Does that mean the season’s lost? I don’t think so. I know the idea amounts to idle speculation. TC hates errors so much, I don’t think he’d experiment even for a series ot two, and BS loves AP.
Exactly
All I am saying is someone else can make the calls on the field. I question the leadership of someone who clearly did nothing in the offseason as far as physical conditioning. Do you really think someone like Justin Tuck, who works his ass off constantly even to the point that he is seen puking on the sideline, could possibly look to AP for leadership? I am not saying leadership is not important. I am saying the Giants need a new leader.
Jerry,
Please cut Antonio Pierce.
Thanks,
DB
They do
and it’d be nice if they had a more athletic MLB.
I don’t know what your getting at with Tuck, and AP’s conditioning. He’s as conditioned as he’s ever been. He was never that fast, so a small decline shows up big.
But who? No one knows the defense like AP. The guy leads the team in tackles too, so I don’t know why he’s always singled out.
For weeks, when Boley’s injured, AP is the most athletic LB there. Blackburn and Clark are much like Pierce, Slow and not athletic but get by on brains.
I agree, aside from Boley, the LB unit hopefully gets an infusion of young.
But this season, injuries have derailed Kehl and Sintim’s development, Goff is basically a rook after spending last year on IR too.
THIS SEASON, you can’t just cut Pierce. No one knows the D as well as he does.
And Gonz..I dunno what you get at with the Ivy league thing. DeOssie has NEVER seen any time other than ST for a reason. He’s strictly a ST player. He might be book, Ivy League Smart, but that has nothing to do with being a MLB where Pierce is one of the smartest MLB’s in the league
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 17, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
DeOssie
A measure of my desperation, I suppose. Still, I don’t think calling D signals requires a genius and I’m not sure that what AP provides in brains out weighs what he doesn’t provide with his physical presence. He gets the most tackles because, among other things, opponentsfocus so much firepower on him to take advantage of his weaknesses. Besides, I’m not advocating benching, just asking to see how others might do for a series or two. Yes, considering last year, they should have been preparing someone to give him blows during training camp, but they didn’t. Now, it could very well be too late. Still….
Yea
I hope you guys know I don’t actually think we should cut him mid season. But there is no way we can go into next year with him starting MLB.
My suggestion is he might have lost this D. Last year his head was clearly off the field, which probably did not go over too well.
As far as his conditioning. Its common sense, you play like garbage down the stretch in 08, you work your ass of to come back strong in 09 or you gotta go. My angle with Tuck is simply a suggestion that someone who actually works hard to help the team cannot be happy to have to listen to an over the hill fat MLB who sat on his ass drinking Patron all off season.
Jerry,
Please cut Antonio Pierce.
Thanks,
DB
Duk, you
never said anything that would encourage any reasonable person to believe you thought AP should be cut this season. Putting in some kind of rotation at MLB could very well make him more effective. He too often looks like his ass is dragging out there. A lttle rest now and then would be a good way of dealing with that.
I don't want to see the D fall apart....
…but I go want to see its non-functioning parts gutted in the off-season. I hope there is a succession plan at LB or else the drop off from AP’s play calling abilities will likely be noticeable. Beyond that, he adds little value to this defense and by some metrics is the worst linebacker we have.
With the exception of the 80s under Parcells, this team averages about one stud linebacker per decade. Seeing as how, IMHO, we arguably haven’t had one since Armstead, I’d say were are due. ;)
by Step up and make big plays on Nov 16, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
I'll admit that I was on the fence with Coughlin
with the way this season is turning out, but after yesterday, I’m back in his camp. Two decisions by coaches yesterday got me off of that fence and made me realize again that it’s not only the coaching decisions but the execution by the team.
Bellichick makes the call. If the team executes and picks up that 4th and 2, Bellichick once again looks like a coaching god. Team fails, coach is the goat. Del Rio tells MJD to take a knee at the one so that they can kill the clock and score as time expires. It worked out like he planned. If the team had failed to make that FG, Del Rio looks like a horses ass.
Coaching and execution……they go hand in hand.
Sometimes it pays
to sit back and watch other teams. I watched a bunch of games yesterday, and saw a bunch of deep throws when teams had “single-high” safeties. Made me realize everyone takes that shot. You are right, sometimes decisions work and sometimes they backfire. Coach is a genius when stuff works, and an idiot when it doesn’t.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 16, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
yes
Pats showed how establishing the run sets up the deep-shot play action, something we have belabored here. However, they seemed to make those calls at better times against exposed defenses.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Nov 16, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Football is a game of chances...
if you don’t take em, you lose. Even when you take chances….you can lose. You can also win either way.
I’ve also noticed that teams with the best records in the game right now, like the Colts and Saints..even the Vikings and Bengals, they’re records are what they are cuz of luck. They’ve taken chances or not taken chances and been successful.
Are all these teams more talented than the Giants?? Maybe so, but I also know that many of the chances the Giants have taken and not taken have backfired the past 4 games and they’ve all led to loses.
I really love how now there’s undefeated talk about the Saints (but not about the Colts?).
Just a hypothetical bet…how much does anyone want to bet that neither the Vikings, Saints or Colts will win the Super Bowl?
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 16, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
bets
not taking that one! The Saints are the ‘01 Rams, the ’07 Pats. The Vikes, I still expect to falter down the stretch — because of their record & division, I’d say the’re in the playoffs, but they’ll be at risk with Farv at QB! The Colts are the most legit, but I thought the Pats were better last night.
I guess what I’m saying is I’m thinking… The Giants.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Nov 16, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
You are sooooooooooo right
If NE converts that 4th down it’ll be jammed down our throats about the genius of BB. Since it failed the media is having a field day as well as the Pats fans.
Firstly, It didn't hurt the media since they needed something to talk about for the next 5 days
STRAIGHT.
Secondly, every bit of this is Coughlin’s fault. Every bit of it!
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
HOW STOKED ARE WE!!!?!
This has been THE BEST bye week ever. The Cowboys being SHUT OUT until the end of the 4th. I watched the Eagles game, and they looked like they were trying to hang in there and hope the Chargers would figure out a way to lose. The Chargers D did what the Giants D did not do, close them out.
The Giants got spoiled even through the Eagles game, and except for the Cardinals, they did not have to play a full 60 minutes of football, the games were not close. Even for the Cards, at 5-2 they were looking ahead for the Eagles. The Giants didn’t have to worry about closing anybody out or being in striking distance in the middle of the 4th.
Now, it’s time to shut up and make plays. “Talk is cheap. Play the game.”
We are where we want to be
We have complete control of our destiny. Everyteam we face from here on out is a good team, but in the words of thomas paine:
“THESE are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value”
THis fits perfectly, I can’t believe I didn’t think of it before
The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls
On 3rd down, throw it to Smith.
A few random observations:
(1) The NFC (THANK GOD!) isn’t that strong this year. Given yesterday’s events, I like the Giants chances going forward in head-to-head matchups against teams like the Falcons, Eagles, Panthers – all teams that the Giants will be competing with for the NFC wild-card spots. And the Giants can control their destiny too, right? They play each of those teams down the stretch. Win, and they’re in.
(2) I read somewhere that the Giants basically need to go 5-2 down the stretch to guarantee a playoff appearance. Well, the schedule is ATL, @DEN, DAL, PHI, WAS, CAR, @MIN. If the Giants we saw in the game against SD comes to play, Which of those games is not winnable? I think 5-2 down that stretch is not just possible, but something that we SHOULD expect out of this team.
(3) The bye week timing couldn’t have been better this year. The Giants can recuperate and fix the issues that haunted them throughout the ‘09 campaign. I don’t think this team has “peaked” yet and now, with their backs against the wall, who is to say that the Giants can’t catch fire and start lighting it up? I have faith in the infrastructure of this team and their ability to fix some of the major problems.
(4) I think it’s too early to write off the Giants for the NFC East. Look at the Cowboys for example, they still play the ‘Skins twice (WASH always gives the cowboys fits), the Chargers, AND the Saints. With their performance yesterday, I’m not ready to simply hand them the NFC East title.
In short, this was a great weekend for Giants fans!
re: schedule
The Giants have the toughest closing schedule, with opponents combined record of 37-26, while (whilst?) the Girls and Eggs face a 33-30 gauntlet. However, the Giants have FIVE home games in the final seven, while the Cowpies have 4 and the egg omelets just 3 of 7.
Not much in the Opps. records matters as much as how they are trending when we see them. The keys are whether Minny comes to play, obviously we need to go 3-0 in the div. hereon out, and hopefulyl Denver is on the road to suckdom. The Eggs schedule is underwhelming with no great opponents. Dallas has to face the Saints but they also get the Skins twice and Oakland. Go SKINS!
Series of 1-week seasons coming up, guys! I love it!
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Nov 16, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
well the giants needed a bit of luck...
and they got it. Not much else you can ask for if your a giants fans.
we just gotta get back to giants football…here’s to Sheridan calling games like he did vs. SD…and here’s to hoping that Jacobs is good for more than just 11 carriers.
I think we now have the blueprint moving forward of what needs to be done and how to accomplish it.
A win vs. ATL and we’re back on track….but that doesn’t mean we still don’t have a long way to go in terms of getting back to the type of football we need to play.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Time to make a statement
The falcons game gives the Giants a perfect opportunity coming off the bye to make a statement about how competetive they are going to be over these last seven games. A win against the Falcons is doubly important because it puts a game up on them for a possible wild card spot and gives us a tie breaker against them. Plus they play the Eagles later on and if we have already hung a loss on the Falcons, it makes it easier toroot for them in that game.
Conversely a loss to the Falcons would make our position dire indeed. So this next game is really huge. I hope everybody from the coaches down to the bench players approach this as if it were a playoff game, because that’s the way it feels to me.
Hopefully, Canty, Boley, Ross and Sintim will all be primed to make some serious contributions down the stretch.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Nov 16, 2009 4:06 PM EST reply actions
I would guess that Giants Stadium
will have a playoff feel to it. You’re right Tucker, this is a statement game. Giants will have had two weeks to rest and prepare for a team that could be missing a very important part of their team. It’s put up or shut up time right now. Wins will not only help the Giants back into the NFC East penthouse, the wins will also give us any tie breakers if we do happen to slip to a wild card. I’m looking forward to seeing a rowdy bunch of Giants come Sunday.
ur right about that...
the giants still have some things to iron out “execution” wise but i think sheridan is finally getting it. We’re finally giving our Defense a chance to compete and I honestly believe that playing Zone was just killing us.
We’ll still have to find a way to get to the QB…and I think that involves removing Clark when they’re going to blitz w/ the SAM.
Finding a way to get Tuck outta pass coverage is also imperative…when Spags ran that play he had Stray on the field, and although Stray was no faster than Tuck he was a lot smarter and knew where the ball was going to go.
I also hope that Rouse will get some clue of whats going on around him…it’s a shame that we asked CC Brown to be such a visible player on Defense w/ all the Zone we were playing, but by playing Man coverage we basically make the FS a “rover” type of player who will be able to help out both Running and Passing plays.
I hope we bring more blitz pressure up the middle and not outside the ends as well…our guys just aren’t getting to the ball carrier via that route. And I hope we can do a better job of disguising our blitzes…and faking blitzes for that matter.
these are little things that can get ironed out…w/ proper coaching and good practice.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
+1, andiamo
BTW, what did you think of Cotto-Pacquiao? I thought P displayed a real reluctance to go after him seriously once it was clear the fight was in the bag., sort of like Holmes with Ali. (Holmes would only peck him with jabs kept asking the ref to stop the slaughter.) I think P’s nickname should be changed from Mexicutioner to Latinocutioner. (Maybe not , since so many Filipinos have Hispanic/names blood.)
what a massacre...
i was pulling for cotto and the first 3-4 rounds were pretty exciting but after the 2nd knockdown it was pretty much over.
cotto’s corner shoulda stopped the fight….the ref shoulda stopped it in the 9th round. Cotto didn’t even want to be in there, running away from him like that.
what cracked me up is when Manny just put his hands up as to say “hit me” and he would just block and counter cotto and land a bunch a shots like he was the bigger fighter or something…
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
That was amazing
The supposed big puncher was given free shots and didn’t hurt him at all. I guess those thousands of sit ups while your abs are being slammed with a bamboo pole works (he got that from Thai fighters.) I think he’ll take Mayweather, clean out the welters and have to move up to middleweight. Is he a freak of nature?
now that would be a fight....
idk if i can say he’ll take mayweather…knowing Floyd he’ll dance around him the entire fight. Manny also takes a lot of shots for a smaller quicker fight. Floyd just doesn’t get hit, and if he does he’ll grab, hold, elbow, do whatever it takes.
what scares me is that these two will never agree on the money…both are huge names in the sport right now. There really is no one left for Manny to fight so one would only hope that fight takes place.
I don’t see Manny moving up in weight anymore. I think this is it…i think anyway.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
"...grab, hold, elbow," etc.
He did more of that than Hatton in their fight.
Manny says he won’t go up in weight class. Maybe so, but if he cleans out the welters…?"
Aram was saying
if it’s gonna happen it’s gonna happen in New Orleans or Vegas….state taxes are a big reason why it will never happen in NY…or NJ for that matter.
the bottom line is that Boxing needs this fight to happen. it would be epic….
floyd has already started taking shots at Manny…I really hope these guys make it happen.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Well, it should be epic,
but it looked like Pac-Cotto could be the fight of the year and it turned onto another Manny beatdown of an opponent. Given Floyd’s not inconsiderable skill it, seems unlikely that he’d fall victim to those kind of batterings, but if it happened I wouldn’t be overly surprised. As for Floyd taking shots, his convoluted reasoning tells me that Manny’s very existence has gotten into his head. The Happy Warrior (have you ever seen anyone so joyous on a fight night?) will remain serene.
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