New York Giants news & notes: Ross has played safety
We mentioned yesterday that Aaron Ross finally returned to practice for the New York Giants. There has been much speculation that if Ross ever got back in the lineup the Giants on whether the Giants would consider playing either him or Terrell Thomas at safety.
Well, Ernie Palladino pointed out something yesterday that I did not know -- Ross has played safety before. And, as he told Ernie in a conversation Wednesday, he is willing to do it again.
"If I'm asked to move, I'd be more than willing," Ross said. "We're supposed to know the whole defense, anyway; know what everybody else is doing."
I can't imagine Ross being able to play more than a handful of snaps. But, if he can play some safety in long-yardage situations I would think that would be a boost to the pass defense.
The Giants assistant coaches were available to the media Wednesday. Check out all the interviews on the Transcripts page. Here are a few highlights.
Kevin Gilbride also dropped a little knowledge in his interview. He always takes a lot of heat over the distribution of carries between Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw. Turns out, which back is in the game is not his call. It's up to running backs coach Jerald Ingram. Here is that part of Gilbride's interview.
Q: Is Brandon getting enough carries – not yards but carries?
A: Oh, I don’t know. As I said to you early on when all of you were complaining that he was carrying it too much and not doing it well enough, that in the end of the season I thought the numbers would reflect a solid season for him. I think I still feel the same way. When it is all said and done it will all balance out. But they are trying to get --- Ahmad at the beginning of the year was our hot runner and doing a great job. And everybody wanted to get him more carries. And now everybody wants to get Brandon more. You can’t do it all. So you try to split it up. And it is up to our running back coach, who does a great job. And Tom, again, sets the parameters that Gerald operates in. And you just hope that you have the right guy in at the right time.
Defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan is focused on finding ways to improve the Giants' porous red zone defense.
For large portions of the game we play very well, but for a bunch of different reasons, we haven’t done a great job of stopping people when they get the ball down in the red area. That has got to change because you can play great for 50 snaps a game, but if they get the ball inside your 10 and you are not putting up enough resistance to keep them out of the end zone, they are going to have seven points instead of three. You are going to have a hard time winning games. If it had to be one thing, it is very easy to pinpoint and say that would be it. Doing a better job of executing and keeping people out of the end zone and forcing field goals.
Wide receivers coach Mike Sullivan was asked a couple of questions about everyone's favorite mystery man, Ramses Barden. Here is ssome of that exchange.
Q. In terms of his skills as a receiver, we all figured he would have a little bit of an adjustment period coming from Cal-Poly. But how do you think he has been in terms of his receiver skills?
A. He came in from a program that wasn’t oriented towards a pro style passing attack, so there has been a learning curve. He certainly worked hard and there are some mechanics that have improved in terms of his route running and in terms of his releases. The next step for him is to go right over into the game and based upon his performance in the preseason, while he has showed some flashes, he also showed some areas that he needed to improve and to develop and grow. That’s what the good thing is in terms of how he has been throughout this season. Whether it’s getting sprinkled in with some reps with our offense or being part of the demonstration with the show team, he continues to improve in those areas, so that combined with some of the special teams value which you really can’t separate, those would be the two factors that I think will be critical with getting him more opportunities.
Q. During training camp he was like the star of camp, just doing physical work. Then when it got more into the games and everything he kind of faded?
A. That’s always the big test for a football player, to be able to transfer success into success from practice into a game scenario. That’s the challenge. I think one of the things when you look at the three receivers who have had the most opportunities thus far this season it’s been a combination of health, being able to be out there and stepping up when getting an opportunity. Then making plays when given opportunities. The guys that are able to do that stay out there and are the ones who are going to be out on the field the most.
Sullivan also said Barden needs to show special teams value to be active on game days.
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KG should know better not to defer to Jerald Ingram...
…and instead consult the faithful supporters at BBV to determine which back goes in the game and at what time. Collectively we seem to have a nose for this kind of thing, and would certainly implement a game plan that is both more effective and equitable in terms of distribution of carries. And best of all, out advice comes free!
by Step up and make big plays on Nov 12, 2009 8:42 AM EST reply actions
Jacobs 20-25 carries a game.
Bradshaw, 10-15
Ware, just change of pace or to cover for Bradshaw as injuries dictate
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Nov 12, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
RBs
Does that seem kind of weird to anyone else? Maybe other teams do it too, but it seems the guy calling plays would want to dictate when it is Jacobs time vs AB time. No wonder their carries never seem to line up with the flow of the game!!
Agreed
That seems kind of strange to me.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 12, 2009 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
I thought the same thing....
I always thought that sometimes it doesn’t seem they know who’s in the game.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
This might help explain
why we see a pass in the flat to Jacobs, then a power run up the middle with Bradshaw. I wonder when KG is made aware of the subs.
Subs
To me, it would make more sense for KG to be controlling the personnel on the field. I am sure there is communication, but he should have the back in the game that he wants at any given time.
This makes no sense
Why allow a RB’s coach the parameter of which RB gets in the game? As stupid as this concept may be, if it’s third and one and Ingram sends Hedgecock out there in a singleback formation with the intention of running him, TC will check off on this? Which by itself would be stupid! So really, what is TC’s job? Just decisions to go for it, call timeouts or challenge plays? Not even personnel groupings?
I may sound a little sarcastic, but this seems like a circus. Everyone is down there conversing which player is going in, KG calling the play, now we have to have TC’s stamp of approval and now back to KG so he can tell Eli. Which in turn, he’ll just check off anyways. This is a delay of game just waiting to happen!
no wonder that 40 second clock
becomes a 15 second clock before they even get to the LOS.
And if they aren’t sure on a play..it becomes 10 seconds…tick tick tick.
…actually this idea says a lot. They have too many damn people deciding who’s in the game.
I can see how this has been this way for a while too…cuz the Giants have long been pretty bad at getting the snap off .
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions
I'm curious
if this is standard procedure for teams around the league. It seems like too many chiefs and not enough indians which, of course, makes a mess.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 12, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I'd actually think it is...
cuz I mean having the position coach coordinate which one of the players goes in sort of makes sense. I don’t really see too many 12 men on the field penalties if any…so I guess it solves that
Its gotta just be the system that they do it in that’s just haywire. It just takes to damn long.
It seems as if they send the players out there…10 seconds pass, then it takes Gilbride 10 seconds to get the play in…then Eli another 5 or more to call it in the huddle…then its 15 seconds left.
Then he gets to the line and starts identifying the defense…etc.
Just takes too damn long.
It really seems that if they’re doing it the way they do, that no-huddling kinda like Pittsburgh would make a little more sense. Those 5+ seconds can be crucial.
"It ain't over till its over"---
by FreeBradshaw on Nov 12, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions
The HC is the CEO and
delegates authority to the Assts. The responsibility remains his.
Ps, that's the normal
corporate model, anyway. You can delegate authority, not responsibility. Admittedly, what those guys are saying about the organizational structure of the on field Giants is confusing.
This makes ZERO sense
I’d have to guess they have certain plays for BJ and AB respectively. How does KG call plays not knowing which back is in the game.
I would think so too
It’s not like AB and Jacobs are interchangeable backs with similar skills. I guess, their keystone cops way of calling plays can conclude my thinking of, why they run AB up the middle and Jacobs on the outside, because KG doesn’t know who’s out there! It doesn’t add up, but it does?!
Why does it
seem with every passing day that our coaches are in total disarray from settling for 3, calling ill advised plays on both sides of the ball to now saying that they don’t knpw what players are on the field for any given play.
Perhaps that is BS’s excuse and why he needs to be in the stand as he does not know what players are on the field when he calls the play and why the defence looks lost as the personal on the field is 4-3-4 but BS thinks it is a 4-1-6!
They all seem to be in denial instead of standing up and saying I/we will fix the problem it is more a case of “Not me guv you need to speak to him about that”.
by G Fan in England on Nov 12, 2009 9:39 AM EST reply actions
Not sure that's quite it
I don’t think they are really saying that they don’t know who’s on the field. I would certainly hope they do! KG is saying he doesn’t dictate which one is in, which is quite different.
So does
KG wait for the RB coach to tell him who is on the field before he calls the play, or does he call the play and it is run to that back regardless of who it is.
So does the WR coach decide who is on the field? Does the TE coach get in the action as well!!
I know we are all putting our own assumption and meaning to what he said – but can anyone blame us as it is getting stranger every coaches media session.
by G Fan in England on Nov 12, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah
It does keep getting weirder.
And maybe it does point to they don’t know who is in. We keep pointing out that the coaches don’t seem to put their players in the best position to succeed and not ask them to try to do what they are not good at. Well, if the coordinators are not dictating who is in the game, then how are they going to call plays that really play to players’ strengths?
I think
they go by series. Usually whoever starts a series stays on the field for that possession.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 12, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
But does that make any sense ?
Why be limited to Jacobs on 3rd and 6 for example, when having Bradshaw out there would make the D have to respect the possibility of a swing or screen pass rather than max blitz or just drop back into coverage ?
Jacobs in third and long
I have often thought that is simply because they trust Jacobs pass protection skills more than AB’s. I could be wrong, but that’s my first thought.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 12, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
that is an odd quote from KG...
so the RB coach determines what RB is in the game? am i reading that right?
why does KG talk about “everyone wanted AB to get more carriers”…now “everyone wants BJ to get more carriers”….
who exactly is “everyone”….I know as fans we want Jacobs to get more carriers but i highly doubt KG is coming to BBV for advice…what happened to going with your gut and having confidence in that? I mean if the media is going to dictate how you run your offense than wtf is the point of being a coach?
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
also...that's not a knock on BBV....
we’d probably be in better shape if KG came up in here from time to time….lol.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Probably
because the reporters kept asking him about it. That’s probably what he meant by “everyone.”
by Ed Valentine on Nov 12, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
exactly my point...
obviously we have smart media guys but we also have some guys who are clueless….
Granted, i agree that we need to give Jacobs more carries…but are we really going to cry over spilled milk (i.e. the media giving you a hard time)
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
im really excited to see aaron ross back on the field
i thought he was a very promising draft pick a couple years ago and the giants clearly miss him on the field. like ed said, even if he plays deeo safety for a few plays on passing downs, i think he could definitely be a boost to our secondary.
by GiantsReignSupreme on Nov 12, 2009 10:12 AM EST reply actions
injuries like this are always touch and go...
…one bad step and he will be right back where he started. I say we appreciate whatever he can give us, but don’t expect the world from him.
by Step up and make big plays on Nov 12, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions
At first
I thought about the possibility of putting Ross back at Saftey and didnt like in 1 bit but after thinking about it for a while it might not be such a bad idea. It might be easier of the injury he has then playing CB and having to cover the fastest most atheletic guy on the field.
Agreed
and S might be the spot for them to get the best talent on the field. TT might be a better CB at this point, but Ross has got more talent than any of the safeties. If Ross can make the transition (and stay healthy), it would definitely be a huge boost to the talent level back there.
Yeah, TT might be the better CB
Perhaps Ross’ willingness to move may be a sign that TT has solidified the other CB spot. Other than sub packages, this may be his best chance at more playing time and he knows it.
This is all so bizarre
The bottom line is win the football game. This is done by scoring points and stopping the other team from scoring (stop me if I’m going too quick). The ONLY way to accomplish this is by pressing the advantages and supporting any bad match-ups so that the team on the field is in the best position to make plays and either score or stop the other team from scoring as the case may be.
Now, if the coaches are putting in players irrespective of the play called they are not going to win, be it on offense or defense. The coaches are there to support the players, not the other way around.
This post highlights the disconnect problems in the Giants, they are putting in Bradshaw without regard to play, which is just as silly as having Tuck cover a pass route.
And how are they going to tell about Barden
If he is not in a couple of goal-line situations. I mean it’s not like they’re tearing it up without him.
Or
Is that up to the w/r coach.
Sorry about this split post, but I keep hitting the “post” butten without finishing my spew
Goal #1
Win. To do so we need to be one cohesive unit. Lets get on the same page here Blue! Once again, actually loving the bye week for the first time ever.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Nov 12, 2009 11:15 AM EST reply actions
tempo
If the team picked up the tempo and got the snap off just 2 seconds faster the opposing team would not knowwhat the giants were doing Eli gives it away every time.
WTF ...
does Ingram base his decision on which RB’s go in the game ? The down and distance and what he would call ? What he thinks Gilbride will call ? How his fantasy team is doing so far that game ?
This explains the poor management of the play clock.
It also explains some of the disconnect between personnel on the field and the plays called at times. Sounds like something that could be addressed during the bye, assuming TC thinks it is even a problem. I sure do.
It does actually seem to play that way
How many times have we seen plays that would seem to be better for Ab given to BJ? Like, I dunno SCREEN PASSES! Has BJ EVER shown the consistent ability to catch a pass period?

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