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Giants' coaching staff has much to re-evaluate during bye week

I listen to way too much talk radio, though blabbermouth Mike Francesa is on my 'avoid at all costs' list. I have even learned, in small doses, to tolerate ESPN's Colin Cowdung, er, herd

I guess this is what happens when you have as much time on your hands as I have had for the past year or so.

Anyway, I don't bring this up to discuss the quality of sports talk radio (although I will say I miss Tony Kornheiser on the radio). I bring this up because of a discussion Cowherd has Monday with ESPN analyst and former NFL quarterback Trent Dilfer.

Dilfer was discussing the New England Patriots, and why they continue to be a dominant force year-in and year-out despite loads of changes to both the personnel and the coaching staff.

Dilfer was a middling quarterback, but he is a terrific analyst. He made the point that Bill Belichick and the Patriots identify the strengths and weaknesses of their personnel better than any team in the NFL, and do a tremendous job of making sure players are asked only to do things they are good at.

It's a great point. The job of a coaching staff is to put players in the best possible position to succeed. That means identifying what they do well, and what they do poorly, and not putting them in positions where they are bound to fail.

Star-divide

This brings me, of course, to the New York Giants. After four straight losses, the direct question has to be this. Have head coach Tom Coughlin and coordinators Bill Sheridan and Kevin Gilbride been consistently putting the players in the best position to win football games?

Before I answer, a little disclosure. You guys know I come at this debate as a huge supporter of Coughlin. Four straight playoff appearances and a Super Bowl title means I think he deserves support. Not to mention eight playoff appearances in 13 season as a head coach. There are a lot of NFL teams who would love to have TC on their sideline. TC is not perfect, but he does know what he is doing.

You also know that I have supported Gilbride on many occasions, and will continue to do so when it is warranted. He is hardly to blame for every ill that befalls the Giants. That said, I am not blind to his imperfections. As for Sheridan, he has a lot to prove before anyone can say he is up to his job.

Anyway, back to the original question. Has the Giants' coaching staff consistently been putting players in the best possible position to succeed?

Undeniably, the answer to that has to be no. During the four-game losing streak I would say not even close.

The Defense
  • How many more times are we going to see the zone blitz before Sheridan understands that Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora cannot cover tight ends, and should not be asked to?
  • The final San Diego drive Sunday included two ill-conceived defenses. Mike Garafolo nearly had a stroke going off on Sheridan for leaving Corey Webster singled up on Vincent Jackson on the decisive play. The other badly-designed defense was asking Michael Boley to cover Darren Sproles one-on-one, which resulted in a huge play for the Chargers. Boley had no chance, and no help.
  • We watched the Giants try to use C.C. Brown as a deep cover safety for weeks, despite the fact that in four years in Houston he was never asked to do that. Brown is terrible, sure, but that was never going to work. The Giants should have known that.
  • We are seeing blitzes, sure, but we are seeing blitzers run straight into blockers. That means the offenses are seeing exactly what is coming. We are also seeing a lot of blitzes that come from way off the ball, and will never get there.
The Offense

I do not believe offense is the biggest problem for the Giants. I have said that repeatedly. That said, there are things that deserve to be picked on.

  • Brandon Jacobs is the Giants best offensive player, and the tone-setter for the unit. Yet, week after week he is under-utilized. The past three weeks Ahmad Bradshaw has carried 35 times for 92 yards, a 2.6 yards per carry average. Jacobs has carried 44 times for 229 yards, a 5.2 average. He had 20 of those carries in the blowout loss to the Eagles, which is kind of bizarre. I love AB, but Jacobs has got to see the ball more often. Eleven carries against the Chargers, when Bradshaw had 14, are not enough.
  • Steve Smith is a great short-yardage and intermediate receiver. The Giants use him that way, but a couple times each game they try to push the ball to him deep. It never works. Let Smith do what he does, and throw that deep ball to somebody else. You might actually connect on one.
  • The Red/Green Zone. I don't have all the answers here, but it has been a problem for years.The Giants seem to have no real answer for how to fix it. In any type of short-yardage, though, I want to see the Giants stop trying to just blast straight ahead. To say the least, they don't do it well.
  • Can we please remember to use Kevin Boss as a weapon all the time, instead of just in the Red/Green Zone?
Special Teams
  • Breakdowns every week, it seems. I want to focus on the punting game, though, and I am going to hit Coughlin here. Jeff Feagles has been terrible in recent weeks, and I am pinning some of the blame for that on TC. It seems he has become afraid of his punt coverage unit, and wants everything kicked out of bounds. I know the kickoff return coverage can be suspect, but when is the last time the Giants gave up a big punt return? I think part of why Feagles has been shanking punts all over the place is that TC has him paranoid about leaving anything in bounds, which is silly for one of the game's best directional punters. Show some faith, Tom!
Conclusion

There are plenty of breakdowns that can be pinned on the players, and plenty of players not performing up to their reputations. That is hardly all on the coaching staff. I do think, though, that Coughlin and his staff need to take a hard look at what they are asking, and the approach they are taking, each week.

Maybe the bye will allow them to do that. Let's hope so.

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Not too early to look ahead to 2010 …

2009 is not a write-off yet, but we should handle the balance of the season with a very forward view, and some things have become very clear.

AP and Danny Clark will not be back – Boley looks like the real deal, hopefully Sintim can show more of what he flashed in pre-season, and we really had better go LB very high in the draft, as Kehl, Goff & Wilkinson all look like back-ups / special teamers.

Robbins will not be back (even though he had a very good SD game) – too old, and there is a glut of DT’s (when healthy). Should be a glut of DE’s too, when healthy.

Kenny Plillips is no lock to return healthy, so either looking at TT as a potential free safety (if we think Ross can be healthy, and Bruce Johnson is no fluke) or a FA or draft pick is in order here, too.

Would not be surprised if Sheridan is one-and-done. Would love to see a Dick LeBeau, Dom Capers, Mike Nolan, Gregg Williams type of hire (look at what the last 3 did in 2009 with D’s that were suspect the prior year … amazing) – an ex-head coach who was best as a DC, with no aspirations of being a HC in the future. Stability !!!

On O, there are too many weapons. The young, talented WR’s should improve their ability to adjust routes to beat the blitz (our biggest problem here at the moment) and their overall in-synch-ness with Eli. Still many good options at RB . OL is still intact, although I see Beatty supplanting McKenzie (who may not be back unless he takes a salary cut to be a back-up) at RT, and need more depth in the draft. TE’s have Boss, and Beckham should improve, too. Eli is an elite QB, but can still be maddeningly inconsistent at times. This should be a big point scoring offense, not a "manage the game and let the defense win it" type.

What does that leave …. hmmmm … KG and the less than imaginative play book (compared to the rest of the league) and too predictable play calling tendencies on game day. I’m ready to cut the cord here, too.

Special Teams – blow it up and start over. Feagles showing his age lately, Tynes just not dependable (how can he not attempt that kick at the end of the 1st Q drive ?? Did he think his 43 year-old holder was going to out run the whole D ?!? And his short kick-offs are a major liability. The return/coverage units have been sub-par for years. Hixon looks like a good return man, but there never seems to be much of a lane for him. New ST-coach is in order.

by Shofner85 on Nov 10, 2009 7:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Sheridan and the LBs

I can’t help but think that our best position coach was not selected for the coordinator position. Our LB play in recent years has been far from stellar (personnel? scheme? both?), and yet somehow the LB position coach gets elevated to DC. In hindsight, Giunta may have been the better selection — at least he had some prior DC experience.

This is pure speculation, but I wonder if Sheridan places too much faith in his corps of LBs and is not viewing our deificiencies there more objectively because he is so closely associated with that unit?

by Step up and make big plays on Nov 10, 2009 7:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LB free agent

there was an interesting list over on si.com yesterday with expected free agencies for 2010, arizona’s karlos dansby is a beast and would instantly upgrade an outside spot.

by cntrlalt on Nov 10, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lotta money right there....

I’d rather them find another Boley type.

Dansby’s gonna want a similar years but 2-3x as much money.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If John Fox gets canned

bring him back as DC

by Landeta on Nov 10, 2009 9:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

+1

i dunno maybe I just like the colors

by Mr.Williams on Nov 10, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you just became the man.

John Fox >>

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I would welcome that Land

But I think the only goner on the Panthers will be Dellehome..Fox is alot like Coughlin..they are over loyal to their players and coaches.

by Bobbiblue on Nov 10, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Question for you all

Based on the last four weeks this may seem strange, but just bear with me.

Let us say we sneak into the playoffs and win one or two games whilst we are there.

Would we still want to get rid of Sheridan and KG?

In my view given our expectation if we fail to make the playoffs or go one and done like last year then KG has to go – Sheridan may stay if the D improves the rest of the way.

If we win one or two games (or more) in the playoffs we know the coaching staff will stay.

by G Fan in England on Nov 10, 2009 7:23 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

For me, the answer to your questions is a resounding yes. Gilbride, especially, I just dont trust him. I don’t believe his core philosophy reflects Giants football. He is too pass happy and as I’ve said many times, Mike Martz lite. He should go to a warm weather team where he can fling it all over the field.
Sheridan should go because of his lack of adjustments and stubborness with personnel packages. The D has not been put in very good matchups against offenses. We’re being dictated to, instead of the other way around. Is it personnel? Is it scheme? Is it the front office not getting the right guys? Not hiring the right coaches?

by lboogie25 on Nov 10, 2009 7:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hirings

If you remember the Giants did pursue Dom Capers before hiring Sheridan. There is always some uncertainty when you hire a guy who has never done a job before. We will know a lot more about Sheridan after the next couple of months.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 10, 2009 7:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I do remember that. I also remember when Sheridan was LB coach at Michigan and that unit underperformed badly. Granted, this is not college, but after 4 weeks of doing crazy stuff, what will it take??

by lboogie25 on Nov 10, 2009 7:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Capers, thats surprising

He runs a 3-4 and i shiver at the idea of our LB’s in that system. AP is definitely not a protypical 3-4 ILB, then again, i’m beginning to wonder about him in our 4-3 too! lol

by Hootman on Nov 10, 2009 8:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Capers, thats surprising

He runs a 3-4 and i shiver at the idea of our LB’s in that system. AP is definitely not a protypical 3-4 ILB, then again, i’m beginning to wonder about him in our 4-3 too! lol

by Hootman on Nov 10, 2009 8:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

this season?

yea absolutely.

I think Kiwi would be a nice rush OLB, Osi I’m not so sure. Tuck could be a goot DE, as would Canty.

But the inside backers, concern’s about Osi as a OLB…an oh yea…NO NOSE TACKLE…yea, the Giants would really be up shit’s creek this year (french…wonderful language I know…)

I’d love to consider it in the future tho……..

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

even without switching

to a 3-4, the giants could still cause some havok with unconventional rushing assignments. we all saw what happened with the line stacked with osi, tuck and kiwi…imagine stacking osi and kiwi as a rushing linebacker on one side and keeping tuck, canty and big barry on the line to cause pressure?

by cntrlalt on Nov 10, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yea...

the Giants definitely are a big too conventional right now….

Something like that would be nice.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like the 4-3

Don’t get why everyone wants to go back to the 3-4

The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls

On 3rd down, throw it to Smith.

by Willgfass on Nov 10, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

3-4

Is predicated on a NT that pulls a double team and still gets pressure…

so.. that would be the most glaring in my estimation too

by SDTrueblue on Nov 10, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Man I was hoping we would've gotten him, too.

We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.

by GAgiantfan on Nov 10, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Capers, that is

We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.

by GAgiantfan on Nov 10, 2009 12:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gilbride has got to go. Plain and simple.

If the Giants defense plays much better down the stretch and parts of that play can be attributed to DS then he deserves additional time.

by FrankB0318 on Nov 10, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think

The Sheridan situation will play itself out after the next seven games. We will know at that point — and so will TC and JR — whether or not they have made a mistake. As for Gilbride, gnash your teeth all you want but I seriously doubt he is going anywhere. Many Giants fans see him as a problem, but I really don’t believe the organization does.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 10, 2009 7:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s the point Ed. Sometimes we are loyal to a fault. Why wait until the train gets rolling so far down the track before you hit the brakes? So perhaps, it’s an organizational symptom and maybe they’re just the last to recognize things.

by lboogie25 on Nov 10, 2009 7:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed Ed

I dont see KG going anywhere unless some major problems arise in the the last half of the season…

On the other side of the ball. I see Sheridan not being fired and he will be given another off season and season to try and work things out.

by GiantRB27 on Nov 10, 2009 7:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Make no mistake, I’m not advocating KG being fired mid season. That makes no sense. They either let him go in the offseason (like when he lobbied for the Raider job) or sit him down and make him utilize his players better.

by lboogie25 on Nov 10, 2009 7:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much I think it all comes down to...

   The Giants have won with Gilbride, and they’ve won it all it with him. With Sheridan they haven’t won anything yet, and if they don’t in the time left, I think he’s the odd man out unless he can show some mastery of the defense the rest of the way, and an ability to make adjustments that thusfar has just plain been missing.

by Cranky50 on Nov 10, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

re: Gilbride

That’s what I don’t understand. What does the Giants organization see in this guy that the fans don’t understand?

Cranky, the Giants won despite Gilbride. With a more innovative OC the GB game should have been a blowout. We struggle in the most important aspect of the game. SCORING!

by FrankB0318 on Nov 10, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, if they win 2 playoff games they are in the NFC Championship game ...

so both KG and BS will have made major, major turnarounds in the scheme they use, or we don’t get there. I can believe anyone can change, but find it hard to believe they will.

by Shofner85 on Nov 10, 2009 7:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You've covered it like a rug, Ed

TC must think Feagles is Superman, having him try what looks like a coffin corner kick every time he heandles the ball. Is our coverage that bad? (I can see doing it vs certain teams ( like SD), but you know you’re giving up a lot of yards that way.
I think Bradshaw’s hurting. I’d like to see more of Ware.
Good question, G. IMO, you provided the correct answer yourself.

by blue gonz on Nov 10, 2009 7:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ware

Agreed, George. I would love to see Ware get more touches. Fresh legs can’t hurt.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 10, 2009 7:40 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

FREE WARE!!!!!

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 7:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!

Sounds like a user name change is in order!!

by Ed Valentine on Nov 10, 2009 7:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

heyyyy…credit where credit is due ;)

by Step up and make big plays on Nov 10, 2009 7:50 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"FREE WARE!!!!!"

I knew this was coming. LOL

by njgiant on Nov 10, 2009 9:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like Ware

getting in there also but 2 touches that is hardly enough of a chance to make a difference…. give him a screen pass chance or two and see what he can do in the open feild with some blockers( hopefully).

by GiantRB27 on Nov 10, 2009 7:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

If the season slips away, shut down Bradshaw and give the kid a chance...

As I posted during the game, the outstanding question with Ware is how well can he do in pass protection? Unfortunately, a lot of being able to read the pass rush and react comes with experience, and until he gets some snaps he won’t be able to develop his all-around game much further.

by Step up and make big plays on Nov 10, 2009 7:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If the season slips away, shut down Bradshaw and give the kid a chance

As I posted during the game, the outstanding question with Ware is how well can he do in pass protection? Unfortunately, a lot of being able to read the pass rush and react comes with experience, and until he gets some snaps he won’t be able to develop his all-around game much further.

by Step up and make big plays on Nov 10, 2009 8:00 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The big thing about SUnday that really get me

is the fact that everything that makes the Giants so good…at least on offense, was working. Yea the Defense still seems to be a work in progess as guys get healthier and all a that.

But Jacobs was running hard. Eli was money on the short passes. Boss was uncovered down in the red zone.

Yet…they just stop doing it? I understand the Jacobs thing. Not overusing him after he gets banged up (…Ware?)

Over the course of the game..between the 20’s…run the ball. When you get down near the end zone..put it in your QB’s hands. Please.

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 8:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

The big thing about SUnday that really get me

is the fact that everything that makes the Giants so good…at least on offense, was working. Yea the Defense still seems to be a work in progess as guys get healthier and all a that.

But Jacobs was running hard. Eli was money on the short passes. Boss was uncovered down in the red zone.

Yet…they just stop doing it? I understand the Jacobs thing. Not overusing him after he gets banged up (…Ware?)

Over the course of the game..between the 20’s…run the ball. When you get down near the end zone..put it in your QB’s hands. Please.

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 8:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

^^WTF?

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 8:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

LOL!

well…actually if this was a Gilbride-effect…we’d make a post then not see it till 12 weeks later

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 8:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What led to our embracing Coughlin

and his ultimate success, was his willingness to adapt. Not everything about the way he was coaching was working. So he changed, and the team around him did, too. If KG and BS are willing to change, they too may see success. Gilbride generally manages at least one decent series a game. Sheridan, I think, has seen his success against sub-par teams, but if he can learn to maximize our strengths instead of exploiting our own weaknesses, we may be able to turn this thing back around.

by YankeeDudeL on Nov 10, 2009 8:54 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great summary Ed

and something that I think everyone here has been poking at for weeks, but this is as well put together as you can get.

IMO, TC has been able in previous years to evaluate his talent mid-season and figure this exact problem out. I just wish the coaching staff was willing/able to do it quicker. It’s almost like they have to try to fit the square peg in the round hole time and again to see if it works and then when the season is on the brink, then they make adjustments. Anyway, I think we saw signs this past week that they were already starting to do that (safeties, short passing game, etc …). Hopefully some of the other changes will be instituted immediately (DEs covering TEs? Why?!!!).

by potroast on Nov 10, 2009 8:56 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

If SD was TC's "one game season"

Would the Atlanta game be the fans “one game season”? I’m looking at this with one thing in mind, the bye week and the assumption that the coaches are going to re-evaluate. What better time to reflect on the past success and failures with the added week!

We all know there is a lengthy list of problems that exist. We also know that these coaches have a hard time with change too. So i actually find it hard to believe there will be any. I hope there will be, but how much and to what degree does it have a positive affect on the lengthy list?

So if we play against Atlanta with a resemblance of the same team that has played thus far, what reason do we have to think it will change? They just had two weeks to change and how long have we been using the word change?

I’m remaining optimistic, but the schedules going to be tough, time is running out and the season is getting shorter.

by Hootman on Nov 10, 2009 9:10 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dude, give Sirius/XM a try

Don’t mean be a commercial, but they have the excellent NFL on Sirius Network. Those guys really keep you on top of what’s going on in the league. The Mad Dog also has his own station. The dude is MUCH better than he was with Fatcessa. There is no comparison between the two now. Dog has a way better show with a LOT less commercials. He also has a great team of broacasters too.

by MJ20 on Nov 10, 2009 9:26 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

agreed NFL Radio

is really damn good

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Nov 10, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post Ed

TC is a very good coach but he stubbornly sticks to a philosophy regardless of talent. Andy Reid does the same thing. It’s really his only big weakness as a coach like Reid. That’s why to win championships these coaches have to have big talent advantages at certain positions if not other teams expose their weaknesses. Play to your talent you’ll win some games that you might ordinarly not, nobody does it better than the Pats, Parcells Giants did a good job of it too. Simms threw for 4000 yards in 84

by Landeta on Nov 10, 2009 9:50 AM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Take Tom Coughlin, please!

Coughlin said it wasn’t worth a shot in the endzone when the Giants found themselves at the 4 and then the 9 on Sunday near game’s end. Need we say anything more beyond that? This is a head coach so in tune with his OC that their playcalling tells the world that they’re settling for field goals from first down on! This is a head coach who signs off on defensive plans that have an all-pro lineman, Justin Tuck, dropping back into coverage, MORE THAN THE OFFENSE USES PLAY-ACTION! For weeks I have been writing about the blind and unquestioned loyalty that Coughlin shows to his coordinators may be the Giants most pressing problem. And for weeks I’ve heard that “a win will change everything” and “TC won a Super Bowl”. Well, in a world where Cowher, Billick, Shanahan and Gruden are all available for next year, the major problem isn’t the coordinators or CC Brown or injuries or the OL that for the most part does not get a push off the ball (whether against an overloaded box or not!) which is why the running game is not what it was (and yes, please don’t talk about the one ten-minute drive and Jacobs 6 YPC Sunday – think of the entire season and not one drive!) and a TE who is criminally underutilized and wide receivers who are rarely allowed to run pass routes that might lead to separation downfield and instead run constant underneath routes and linebackers (Pierce, Clark, Blackburn) exposed and their names never called during a game and young linebackers wasting away on the bench and in special teams and all the other problems we see and comment on. The problem is and always will be the mindset of a head coach who thinks that shot (or 2 or 3) into the endzone to put a game away IS NOT WORTH IT! And let’s be honest, this is not a problem from yesterday. How many of you have screamed at the field or at the TV as WE SEEM TO ALWAYS BE PLAYING FOR THREE – EVEN DURING THE SUPER BOWL YEAR, EVEN LAST YEAR, AND CERTAINLY SUNDAY???!!! My Giants, our Giants, are a mediocre football team. This we know. The coaches and coordinators are a level or two below that. As I see it and have been saying, this off-season MUST bring us a new head coach and two new coordinators or we will enter the ISLAND OF LOST TEAMS and having been there before, we do not want to go back there again.

by nybaseballgiants on Nov 10, 2009 9:52 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That's not true

TC has admitted that they probably should have taken a shot at the end zone. Also, it appears that Eli checked out of a play or 2 in that series, so some of the blame should be directed at Eli not TC:

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2009/11/ny_giants_coach_tom_coughlin_c_1.html

I really don’t understand this TC bashing. He’s a good football coach. Just look at this record for crying out loud. ALL coaches make mistakes. The ones you mention have weaknesses too you know.

by potroast on Nov 10, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you

All this Coughlin bashing is ridiculous..and their is no ex-coach in the league that is going to want to jump on a train that has already left the station..So..we’re stuck with Gilbride and Sheridan..I’m sure TC will take care of business after the season with that problem…and Reese needs to get some Safety and Linebackers.

by Bobbiblue on Nov 10, 2009 10:15 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bah, the train isn't that far down the tracks lol

If Cowher or Gruden like NY, and would want to come here, i would welcome them in a NY minute! Just saying if it came to this point!

by Hootman on Nov 10, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL!!!..Hoot!!

I’d love to have both..that Gruden can work one hell of a telestrater!!..Maybe he could draw out some damn plays the work!..and Cowher “The Jaw man”..I’d love to see him spraying his “spittle” all over our defense..but alas, it won’t happen the coaching “egos” would make matters worse..Oh I left out Shanahan..I wouldn’t mind seeing his “Star Trek Phaser” eyes burning holes in our players helmets!!..with his eyes starting a fire, and Cowhers spit putting them out..The players would avoid the sidelines at all costs and maybe do something on the field again..but I must say that Coughlin has that look about him that looks like his head is going to explode..He looks once again like a suicide bomber, so if we could ever got those guys together we’d have an Artist (Gruden)…A lasar beam (Shanahan)..A firefighter (Cowher) and our very own Suicide bomber (Coughlin).

by Bobbiblue on Nov 10, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not a mistake

It’s been ongoing under TC. I’m not suggesting TC get fired. I am suggesting they have to change their play calling in the Red Zone. Under TC is has horribly failed. The stats speak for themselves. Again, at what point does a coach ask himself and the OC what we tried isn’t working, what can we try that might work.

by FrankB0318 on Nov 10, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta love that Logic

So he’s a good football coach and let’s look at his record and Eli should share that blame and ALL coaches make mistakes and anyway, the other guys also have weaknesses – hmmm, while you talk excuses I talk accountability. And it starts at the top. Welcome to mediocrity, folks.

by nybaseballgiants on Nov 10, 2009 10:19 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Mediocrity?

The Giants have been to the playoffs 4 straight years and won a SB! That’s what I meant by “look at his record”. What other teams have done that? You call that mediocre? There is about 28 other teams that would trade positions with that!!

I understand he needs to be held accountable for what is going on, but to fire him? For a 4 game losing streak? When he’s done what he’s done? Sorry, but you are going way overboard and THAT’S my point.

by potroast on Nov 10, 2009 10:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and my point is

and always has been, yes, fire him and the two coordinators, AFTER THE SEASON ENDS. btw, as a fan i tend to live in the present and plan for the future, so to be honest, love those playoff appearances and the SB win BUT have you seen the way this team plays and prepares in the here and now???

by nybaseballgiants on Nov 10, 2009 10:35 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

As a fan

let me tell you, you’ll never be happy then. Every coach and every team goes through bad stretches. Just because this team has lost 4 in a row, it doesn’t make TC a bad coach. IMO you have to look at a coaches’ whole body of work to evaluate them, not a 4 game stretch.

by potroast on Nov 10, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not True

NE hasn’t gone through a bad stretch. They’ve lost numerous OCs and DCs. They lost Brady for an entire season. Yet they keep winning. Why?

Again, I’m not advocating firing TC. I’m an advocate of making some changes. First the firing of KG. Second some changes in philosophy.

by FrankB0318 on Nov 10, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly, pot

There are not many New England’s who come along in this day and age. Every team goes through some ups and downs, and even good teams have off years. Stuff happens, especially when 2-3 plays can decide the outcome of a lot of games.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 10, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

one bad month

and you want to fire the best coach we’ve had since Parcells? That’s brilliant.

Should the Pats have fired Bellichick since they didn’t make the playoffs last year? What about the Eagles, should they have fired Andy Reid when they dropped to 5-5-1 last year, or when they didn’t make the playoffs two years ago?

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Nov 10, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

to answer your ridiculous hypothetical questions

No, and no. But by all means, continue to live in your “best coach we’ve had since Parcells” world. In every post I make it clear that I want him fired after the season’s end. Last year post-Plax and this year’s nosedive have shown me that change, adapting to change, is not TC’s strong suit. Oh, I know, you’ll say he changed his methods and we won the SB. Wonderful and I applauded him then. As for now, I see no change and unless you’re living in a 6,000 year old world where Darwin was wrong, two things jump out at me – adapt or die and change is the only constant in the universe. And the universe of the NFL has passed him by.

by nybaseballgiants on Nov 10, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and who do you want?

Who is bettter?

Football doesn’t pass you buy after 4 straight losses.

Football doesn’t pass you by after much of your defense is hurt and getting healthier only now.

Football doesn’t pass you by after the only reason you lost your last game was because of A LAST SECOND TD CATCH!!!!!.

You’re wrong…and as long as you say in all of your posts that TC deserves to be fired….I’ll tell you you’re wrong….

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How can you decide

You want him fired at season’s end, when you have no idea what will happen the rest of the season? No one, not me, not you, not TC, not Jerry Reese, knows what will happen the rest of the season.
I know this much, though. TC is the best coach we have had since Parcells, and there is no way he is getting canne. It’s a ludicrous discussion.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 10, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If TC must go as you suggest

I think it’s important who his replacement would be. As you plan for the future and the here and now, it’s the who we have on our roster currently that should be considered. This team of the now, isn’t playing good football, but it’s still not a team that requires an instant strip down either. Out of Billick, Cowher, Gruden or Shanahan, what coach would best fit our current players?

I believe Cowher would be the best fit. I don’t need to point out his past, but what he has done with his former players. But, for whatever issues TC is dealing with now, one problem will always exist, his loyalty. TC and KG have been together at various times in their careers for awhile. Though it’s not right, TC let’s KG off the hook with KG’s inability to utilize players to their strengths.

So for however long TC is here, we should expect KG to be right here too. I’m not suggesting this as a TC/KG must go type of thing, but it’s the realization of it. KG is only a prisoner of his own past and philosphy. As fans, we can only endure!

by Hootman on Nov 10, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

4 games.

its 4 games.

at the end of October and the start of November.

Look..I know you might be pissed at all that’s going on, I am too.

But even if you are looking at the future whole ‘living in the present’…saying even at the end of the season that firing the coach is a good idea is bogus.

Nobody wins anything in November (in football…). Let the Cowboys go on their patented November winning streak.

Let the Giants go 2-2 in November…

It all doesn’t matter. As long as they get into the playoffs, what happened in November is completely irrelevant.

I could care less where the Giants go, who they face (what’s worst in your mind..20 below in Green Bay in January….or New Orleans dome?).

Mediocrity means 8-8 or 7-9 at the end of the season. Looking at the past 4 games…yea, you can say they’re mediocre so far.

…..but…peep the sig.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Who is going to let the Giants go 2-2 in November?

Certainly not ATL and DENVER, since you are already giving us those 2 wins. Based on what I’ve seen at 5-4, 6-5 might be a pipedream. After that the only winnable games look like Washington and Carolina. Say hello to 8-8 at best, my friend.

by nybaseballgiants on Nov 10, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

you give ATL and Denver WAAAY too much credit.

ATL has no defense whatso ever. Denver has been winning with smoke and mirrors too.

I can see 4-4. and Given that the Giants and Eagles usually split the reg. season..I can see 3-1.

You can say 8-8 all you want (it will prove my annual pre-season Giants prediction correct tho…)…I don’t see it.

4 games..4 schmames. F it.

8-8 is a pipedream.

Don’t fall to far off the bandwagon….

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This bandwagon you speak of...

Considering I had season tickets at Yankee Stadium going back to the early 60s, please, enlighten me as to what stop on the #4 train I can pick up this bandwagon?

by nybaseballgiants on Nov 10, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What do the yankees have to do with this?

or maybe they do…

by peep the sig…I mean the words in gray.

If you’ve been paying attention the past few season…a few games in November don’t mean much…..

Teams choke (Denver, TB last year) and teams get hot when their season’s over (Eagles) and teams luck into the playoffs (Arizona).

They have plenty of talent. 4 bad loses. WOW. 5 “bad” wins…WOW.

Since you’ve obviously been paying attention to football for so long…why not worry till the end till we talk about firing the coach?

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A brief lesson:

The Giants used to play at Yankee Stadium. Before that, the Polo Grounds. Nothing about the Yankees in my post. And very clear on peep the sig prior to your explanation but thanks. And thanks for the Denver and Tampa Bay and Eagles and Arizona point which has nothing to do with this Giants team at this moment in time. I’ve been paying attention for years and this year as well and every game matters and every game means something. Especially when they are unable to fix what’s so clearly broken. And for me, and maybe for many of you at season’s end, fixing what’s broken starts with a new head coach and two new coordinators. Critical appraisal of the team you love is every fan’s true birthright. Blind obedience is not part of that deal for me.

by nybaseballgiants on Nov 10, 2009 4:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

critical appraisal?

The only thing you say is FIRE COUGHLIN, GILBRIDE AND SHERIDAN!!

I guess that is a fans birthright…I aint doing that…..especially when "Gruden, Billick (BILLICK???), Shanahan and Cowher are merely names….nothing else.

Firing the coach is not critical apprasial…its blind stupidity.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The game is played

because anyone can be beaten on any day. Four weeks can change the football landscape unfavorably, and it can also change the landscape favorably. What we have to do is play to win.

We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.

by GAgiantfan on Nov 10, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Bradshaw vs Jacobs

The biggest liars of all are often Statistics. Only in the last 2 games has Brandon Jacobs played better than Bradshaw. When both are really healthy, Bradshaw is by far the greater threat and producer. It may be great PR to see Jacobs running over tacklers (when they try to tackle him high) but more often that not, the big fella falls like Niagra when hit low. The crack in AB’s foot may be slowing him down but Bradshaw is a ferocious runner with speed and quickness and power and if you compare his stats with Jacobs for the long haul, Ahmad wins by a mile……that’s my story and I’m sticking to it. The Bronxman.

by BronxMan on Nov 10, 2009 10:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good point Bronxman..I agree

The only stat I recognize is 5-4..The individual stats are great to get players to the pro-bowl, better contracts, balah blah blah..but I only care about the team stat and that is currently 5-4.

by Bobbiblue on Nov 10, 2009 11:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's fine

but he’s clearly not healthy right now, so it’s a moot point. Bradshaw has averaged less than 3 yards per carry in 4 straight games now, while Jacobs has been over 5 in each of those games. Those aren’t “lying” stats, those are results on the field that suggest that Bradshaw’s just not right and Jacobs is. Why Bradshaw’s getting more carries right now is beyond me

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Nov 10, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah cj..

I think our guys just detoured from our running game for some un-godly reason..Jacobs is definitely not getting enough touches..they need to correct that..If we have any chance of a playoff run they need to charge up that running game..that’s our bread and butter come late November and December..This bombs-away passing game they insanely have tried to run is horrible..To see Jacobs get only half a dozen snaps is plain crazy..and although AB is hurt he isn’t running bad..his foot hasn’t blown up yet, and he is not getting enough snaps..Our offensive schemes are so telegraphed (vanilla) that opposing defenses are just teeing off on us…they know exactly what coming.

by Bobbiblue on Nov 10, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

When ..........

When both are really healthy. Bradshaw is not healthy. We can all admit that. Then the question becomes if Bradshaw is not healthy why is he getting more touches than BJ?

by FrankB0318 on Nov 10, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you Pot..

We have some very upset folks out here pressing the red panic button..I don’t like what Gilbride and Sheridan are showing up with on gameday..but TC will fix it, if not this year then next..Meantime he is going to be a very dangerous person to be around the next two weeks..Fire him???..that’s nuts, he is the most successful coach we ever had for crying out loud..mediocrity?

by Bobbiblue on Nov 10, 2009 10:58 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Bradshaw

should sit. Ware should get the carries. Use B only if the other one of the others goes down. He’s not himself and risks further injury if he keeps getting carries.

by blue gonz on Nov 10, 2009 11:16 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Clearly, most of you

will always see TC through the prism of the SB win. “I don’t like what Gilbride and Sheridan are showing up with on gameday..but TC will fix it, if not this year then next..” – He hasn’t fixed it for the past 4 games, when is a good time to fix it? And for that matter, the red zone problems have been with us for years – when does he get around to fixing them? We underutilize a terrific tight end – when does he get around to fixing that? With the exception of Boley, Pierce and Blackburn are useless. When do we even see what the kids can do? But we won’t cause TC is a veteran’s coach and he’d rather watch Pierce and Blackburn chase RBs that see what a young, faster, more athletic player might do. So, yes, you are all right – give TC time, he’s won games, he won a SB. The one thing you are right about is that 5-4 isn’t classic mediocrity; 5-5 is. I will say it now, Reese will clean house at year’s end and TC, Gilbride and Sheridan will all be gone. And Hootman, I am not advocating an “instant strip down” as you suggest. Never wrote it, never thought it. I am advocating and will continue to do so as I watch this team slide further down, that at season’s end TC and the two coordinators must go. Let them coordinate their own exit. They probably can’t even do that.

by nybaseballgiants on Nov 10, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

5-5 is mediocrity...

if they only played 10 games.

go 5-1 in your next games…that 5 game losing streak is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.

If they do as you say and go…say 6-10…yea, cleaning house…of the coordinators, may happen.

But I highly doubt they get rid of Coughlin if he goes 6-10. He doesn’t deserve it.

One bad season out of all the ones he’s been here…you don’t do that. (Andy Reid, Sean Payton…all have been around as long or longer and haven’t gotten canned after doing as bad).

You don’t can the HC unless he’s completely lost the team.

If the Giants were 8-4 and chocked away a 4 game lead or something like that (something Jon Gruden and Mike Shanahan did)…then he gets canned.

What you’re saying makes no sense. There is no reason to fire Coughlin even if the Giants don’t win another game the rest of the season.

The coordinators……..yea.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"...makes no sense."

You’re right, saying “go 5-1 in your next games…that 5 game losing streak is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.” makes perfect sense. Have you been watching these games and this team and this coaching staff? In what world do they win 5 of their next 6 based on what we have already seen (and please don’t mention the 5-0 start against ridiculous competition, save the Cowboys game)? However, THIS MAKES NO SENSE: “There is no reason to fire Coughlin even if the Giants don’t win another game the rest of the season.” Now who could argue with that?

by nybaseballgiants on Nov 10, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

why are they ridiculous competetion???

Oakland beat the Eagles…KC gave the Cowboys a run for their money too.

Why is firing the coach always the answer? If they don’t win another game…you really want to fire Coughlin and bring in some other mope?

You make no reasonable alternative either THAT makes no sense.

What have I saw the past 4 games? Nothing.

What do those 4 weeks mean going forward? Nothing. They’re 4 losses. Gotta lose at some point.

The Raiders beat the Eagles….anything can happen. How you play one week….not so much gonna tell you how you play the rest of the way.

Nothing from teh GIants tells me they are a 5-11 team. 8-8? Possible, but I can see them turning it around too.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A few things:

You are the only person I know who doesn’t think that 4 of the first 5 Giants wins were against second-rate competition. Pose your question of “why are they ridiculous competetion???” on this blog and see how much support you get. I have never suggested bringing in “some other mope”. I have mentioned is past posts Cowher, Billick, Gruden and Shanahan. And clearly, we don’t just disagree on TC and the direction of the Giants. Based on your “What have I saw the past 4 games? Nothing.
What do those 4 weeks mean going forward? Nothing. They’re 4 losses. Gotta lose at some point. The Raiders beat the Eagles….anything can happen. How you play one week….not so much gonna tell you how you play the rest of the way.” tells me all I need to know about how you approach the Giants and perhaps life in general. Every Giants game to you is Groundhog Day, a completely new experience which, considering football is a game of tendencies and coaching teams to exploit the other team’s tendencies, is the opposite of what I’m, and hopefully at least some other fans, want.

by nybaseballgiants on Nov 10, 2009 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I aint saying those 5 wins were against the best teams in the league...

I’m saying that you can dismiss them if you want, but other teams have lost to those teams and how good would the Giants be if they lost to two of them and beat the Chargers and Cardinals? Same record right? But they lost to two piles of crap…

Yea, every week anything can change. You can be 5-4 and then TIE against the hapless Bengals…then turn your season around.

It can happen. It has happened. I see it in this team too.

"It ain't over till its over"---

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 10, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

"anything can happen"

That’s my two cent’s in this argument.

If you want to be a pessimist, be my guest. I like to look on the bright side of life and think we’ll still win 13 games.

Hopefully at least 3 of them will be in the playoffs

The Cowboys are the France of the NFL
-thwalls

On 3rd down, throw it to Smith.

by Willgfass on Nov 10, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, i was just saying

Generally (in theory), when a new coach comes in, what better way to inject your brand of football than to clean house. Currently, you wouldn’t have to do that with our team.

I apologize if you thought i was putting words/thoughts into your post, i wasn’t!

by Hootman on Nov 10, 2009 11:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No problem

Everyone can disagree or debate all they want, but it can only take a minor misunderstanding and all heck can break loose!

by Hootman on Nov 10, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well..nybase..

You raise points that are very good..and to be honest I cannot disagree with many of them..I scratch my head over many of the same things you point out..I don’t however agree with getting rid of Tom Coughlin..Unless he has become totally complacent, which I doubt..He still has that fire in his eyes..I think we’ll see a totally different, re-charged team in two weeks..and I bet he even ripped his son-in-laws arse out already for holding..If Tynes didn’t botch that field goal, which I maintain was not Feagles fault, we would have won the game..We need to fix our “No Zone Offense” also..First and goal after Thomas’s pick..We have a 270 pound back, we have a Tight-end that must eat glass in his spare time, We have Smith, and we have Nicks and where the heck is Barden?..That’s just crazy not to score 6 points from the 4 yard line..

by Bobbiblue on Nov 10, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

BB, agree with most of your post as well

Only how we define “complacent” is where we differ. Not making changes the past 4 weeks, still trying to “impose our will” on both sides of the ball when it is clear we don’t have the players or the schemes to do that, basically doing the same thing and expecting a different result is at best complacent and at worst, the true definition of insanity.

by nybaseballgiants on Nov 10, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think the chargers game,

and to some extent the AZ game, showed some adjustment, it’s just not working. Against SD, they blitzed more than ever, which we’ve been demanding, and didn’t get home. And I did notice some criticism for blitzing, when the CW sez blitz, not prevent. And they’ve been more apt to go to Smith & Boss. The only thing we’re not getting is more B-Jake, but who knows, maybe there’s an injury issue there.
They have somewhat adjusted.
All this debate about whether the problem is the coaching or the players, I would suggest that the problem may be the communication/respect/authority between the defense and their new coordinator. He’s been undermined twice by two major leaders on that unit.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Nov 10, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well Simms..

Jacobs did get hurt…a neck stinger..so maybe perhaps that has limited him as well..The point about lack of communication that Sheridan referred back to the players?..I’m still jumping up and down over that!!..What an idiot!…We can only hope that he has been addressing that with the players behind closed doors..Maybe the writers sent him a message that he is taking care of as we speak.

by Bobbiblue on Nov 10, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll admit

I was calling for more blitzes after the NO game. The D has been burnt numerous times. I’m not in favor of blitzing if Tuck is going to drop into coverage. How about some blitzes off the edge? During the SD game the Giants stacked the line. They faked all out blitz. We didn’t blitz anyone. Our front 4 got good pressure. The fake blitz definitely caused some confusion on the O line.

by FrankB0318 on Nov 10, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Keep doing what

you’ve always done and you’ll keep getting what you’ve always got.
Hard to argue with that.

by blue gonz on Nov 10, 2009 1:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well nybase..

The game plans on both sides of the ball have surely been telegraphed, so that could very well mean the staff has been vanilla and worst case complacent..I am not sure..none of us arm chair QBs are..I believe Ed mentioned a quote from Garofola about our team putting players in a position where they’ll fail versus placing them in positions where they excel..that was a very good and compelling comment..and may very well be the heart of the problem..They are not going to make any coaching changes at this juncture, so we’ll have to see how it plays out..I have watched this play out before, but never with so much “overall” talent..In 48 years I have never seen our defense play so poorly..I am more than used to seeing the offense play poorly over the years..that was always a sad tradition..Our defense was always solid.

by Bobbiblue on Nov 10, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We can't sit here and say

if we make the opening drive FG we win the game. Yes it gives us additional points but the game in all likelihood would have played out much different.

by FrankB0318 on Nov 10, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

You can’t believe that is we make that field goal, we win the game. Who’s to say that a 3-0 hole doesn’t wake Rivers up and they come out and blow us out of the water like Philly and NO did. Fact is, we were up by 2 field goals with 2 minutes to play and bad defensive play calling AND bad execution let us down in the end…….80 yards in 8 plays, there’s your ball game right there.

by njgiant on Nov 10, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

There are no IFS

Can we never say IF this or IF that again? Because sports fans tend to use it when it involves plays that go against their team – if they catch that pass, if they make that kick, etc. But IF YOU’RE PLAYING THE IF GAME, you’ve got to play it both ways – What IF Tyree doesn’t catch that ball? What if Brady connects with Moss on those bombs at the end? No, we don’t like to think of those things happening. So please, NO MORE IFS.

by nybaseballgiants on Nov 10, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

NO MORE IFS

That, my friend, is never going to happen but I feel you and I agree with you. I’m a culprit of the IF game and I’ll probably use it some more during the season. Hard habit to break.

by njgiant on Nov 10, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks NJ

As a sports fan it may very well be the single hardest habit to break. Well, that and calling for the summary firing (not execution) of TC and his two coordinators at season’s end! But that’s a fairly new habit of mine.

by nybaseballgiants on Nov 10, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i just can't bring myself to agree with you

about firing TC. He’s a very, very good coach and has previously got the best out of the players he’s had. He’s going through what i’d call a bad patch, probably not helped by two sub-par co-ordinators, but this point of the season is not the point at which you start deciding how he’s done for the rest of the year.

he could turn things around.

he could not.

we just don’t know how things are going to turn around at this point of the season. judge him by the whole body of work.

as for the co-ordinators, TC has shown in the past that he’s willing to fire people that he doesn’t have confidence in.

by catsmeat84 on Nov 11, 2009 3:55 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you nybaseball

re giving playing time to some of the younger guys. If the team does indeed lose to Denver and Atlanta I might even embrace your thoughts on coaching changes. I don’t think we know enough about JR yet to predict if he’d put his arms around them.

by blue gonz on Nov 10, 2009 12:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes I agree we need to get Ware involved more.

There is nothing but surgery that will fix AB..He’s not running bad, but with Ware back we’ll get our “Earth, Wind and Fire” running game back.

by Bobbiblue on Nov 10, 2009 11:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

We need to fix this now

This is a great point you made and we see this week after week “We are seeing blitzes, sure, but we are seeing blitzers run straight into blockers. That means the offenses are seeing exactly what is coming. We are also seeing a lot of blitzes that come from way off the ball, and will never get there”. We need to fix this now or we can kiss the rest of the season goodbye

by rbman3 on Nov 10, 2009 11:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ed great Post

I agree on Tuck and Osi covering tight ends. How many times does it need to fail for TC/Sheridan to grasp that it doesn’t work with our defense.

Same with the red zone (I refuse to call it a green zone until we produce), this has been a mess during TC’s tenure. At what point does a coach take a step back and realize what we try hasn’t worked. It’s been a monumental failure.

As a fan nothing is more infuriating than watching the Giants march up and down the field then once they reach the 20 it’s as if they have an entirely different offensive unit on the field.

by FrankB0318 on Nov 10, 2009 2:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ed on the punting.

I can’t agree with you more. Case in point the Giants last punt prior to the first half vs. SD. Why punt the ball out of bounds. Make SD catch and run burning more time on the clock. SD received that ball at mid-field with about 20 seconds remaining in the half. Two decent gains and SD is in FG range. The Giants got lucky when SD took a penalty on FD. In the end we didn’t get burned by it so it went unnoticed.

by FrankB0318 on Nov 10, 2009 2:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well guys..I am crying while I write this..

My Dad..the man who is my best friend and raised me to be a Giants fan is dying..I need to get out of here to drive up and try to make it there in time before he passes..I hope I can make it in time..I’ll talk to you all later..probably much later..oh boy..For him please say a prayer for him..His name is William A. Dolson..I’ll talk to you guys later on in the season..football is the very last thing on my mind now..Cheers…Bob

by Bobbiblue on Nov 10, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I appreciate your kind thoughts..

I didn’t make here in Daytona in time..My Dad died before I could get here..I guess the reason I logged onto my laptop was to thank Hoot and NJ for your kind thoughts this is a major league bad day..and I want you all to know..I lost my Father and best friend.. we all just lost a truly diehard Giants fan…Thanks, Bob

by Bobbiblue on Nov 11, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good Analysis

Agree that offense has many good players, but OL has been a problem, and their problems show how important OL is to overall offense. Got to give Eli better protection.

Think you have to be a bit more critical of coaching, which is not to say I’m yelling for heads. But in hindsight, this team was way, way, WAY too overconfident, and seemed to remain overconfident right up until they got beat by Eagles.

Also, watching team carrying on with same defensive and offensive plays, when they were getting hit with all kinds of new variations from their opponents, was like watching your granddad’s NFL. They are going to have to do better job exploiting their opponent’s weaknesses in 2nd half, rather than relying on their own strengths, or they are not going anywhere.

by Deal With It on Nov 10, 2009 5:46 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Now this is wonderful!!!

“Also, watching team carrying on with same defensive and offensive plays, when they were getting hit with all kinds of new variations from their opponents, was like watching your granddad’s NFL. They are going to have to do better job exploiting their opponent’s weaknesses in 2nd half, rather than relying on their own strengths, or they are not going anywhere.” Way to go, Deal!!!

by nybaseballgiants on Nov 10, 2009 6:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great Post Ed

Thank you for analyzing the coaching over the last four losses. Not by a long shot am I blaming them completely for our poor performance, but with some of the rosters we’ve scotch taped together (due to injuries) we have to at a minimum be AS prepared as our opponents. It looks as if we watch ZERO game film before some of these games. (See Samules jumping Eli’s route in Philly on one of his first throws; that’s preparation) We’ve made it too easy for opponents offesenses by trying complex defensive schemes. If we don’t see something change I won’t be happy to BS on sidelines next year. Our offense has done little to adjust formation and play calling on 3rd/4th and short. Like you, I’m not saying I have the answers, but then again we aren’t paid to! I do know what we have been calling isn’t working. I think Gillbride called a great game against SD other than the consistent bunch formations that we try on short yardage. I would love to see either a spread formation run play or play action just once in this situation! Even if it doesn’t work at least Gillbride won’t be fulfilling the definition of insanity with his short yardage play calling.

by NY Football Giants on Nov 10, 2009 6:47 PM EST reply actions   0 recs


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