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Eagles 40, Giants 17: Not much to say

Philadelphia Eagles' Brent Clark (87) celebrates his first-quarter touchdown with teammate Jason Avant (81) against the New York Giants during an NFL football game in Philadelphia, Sunday, Nov. 1, 2009.

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Philadelphia Eagles' Brent Clark (87) celebrates his first-quarter touchdown with teammate Jason Avant (81) against the New York Giants during an NFL football game in Philadelphia, Sunday, Nov. 1, 2009.

After watching the Philadelphia Eagles totally dominate our New York Giants, 40-17, I only have a couple of things to say.

  1. That was embarrassing.
  2. This Giants football team is, obviously, not as good as we, they, or anyone else, thought they were. There are problems everywhere.
Oh, I guess I do have one more thing to say. I really, really need the New York Yankees to brighten my mood tonight. Back tomorrow with the 'Wet Willies.' That's right, just the 'Wet Willies.' After three weeks of this nonsense, nobody gets 'Kudos.'

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This sucks

Next Sunday can’t come soon enough.

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 1, 2009 5:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The bye week

can’t come soon enough, we NEED Aaron Ross, Boley, and Canty back ASAP. Our defense cannot stop anyone with an above average offense.

"We're only going to score 17 points?!" - Tom Brady

by iLL on Nov 1, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I really hope

this isnt going to be the continuing trend as we close out the stadium

by haakeem the dream on Nov 1, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

What in the world is going on with the giants!?? Last week they loose against the Cardinals and last I looked even the panthers were beating the cardinals! This has been very embarassing as a Giants fan. In 2 weeks the giants fall from first to third! WTF! I need the yankees to win tonight or there is going to be one really pissed off husband and dad in my house that I don’t want to subject my wife and kids to!

by Yankeecrazy on Nov 1, 2009 5:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't want to be a total pessimist

because we’ve seen crazy things happen is this Leauge before and it’s still only one loss with 8 to go. Look at the Cardinals last year they lost a few games like this one and went on to the bowl, while the Eagles were so bad a one point last year they benched McNabb and the got it fixed at the right time to make a run

But I have a real bad feeling about this team mostly because of the D. I know the saftey’s stink and we are lacking a pass rush but what alarms me the most is teams are running the ball on us at will. Think about it today, Westbrook did not play and some FB named Weaver ran for close to 100 yards on about 8 carries and had a 40 yard TD run! Think about that. Thats like Madison Hedgcock running for wild on someone! Then McCoy rips off a 60 something yarder right after the Giants score a TD. I’ve been Giant fan for 25 years and have seen some bad teams but this is the worst D I’ve ever seen them play. I think the play of Osi, the tackles, and the LB’s has dropped off significantly. Thats probabbly why JR went after Boley & Canty in FA this year, he knew something we did’nt.

I also don’t buy into the comparisons of the 07 team. That team played good D most of the year which kept the struggling O in games. This D just flat out sucks and the O saved their buts against the Cowboys.

by Landeta on Nov 1, 2009 5:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

for once, i agree with you

excellent points all. we should consider the comparisons to the eagles last year, because that team was really bad and made difficult choices in order to improve…like benching mcnabb.
as forward thinking as the front office is, i don’t think the coaching staff has the ability to change and adjust. coughlin is as old school as you can get and his mantra is stay the course, which in most cases is the right thing to do. but its clear that this team needs a change in coordinators and players.

by cntrlalt on Nov 1, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

just out of curiosity

what have we disagreed with in the past

by Landeta on Nov 1, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The run D is horendous

But the pass rush hasn’t seemed as bad to me as most others think.

Tuck had a play where he was right in McNabb’s face and should have had that intercepted and a td.

Robbins or Coffield sacked mcnabb, and that should have been a td on that lateral to Osi.

The pass rush is back, just now the run D isn’t.
And a problem we had last year, giving up 3rd and longs are still here.

by Willgfass on Nov 1, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Your right on..

This team flat out sucks across the board!!..Worst game I’ve seen since the ‘60s and ’70s and early ’80s..The coaching sucks first and foremost..“W.C.Fields Gilbride” and “Frankenstien Sheridan” stink..Coughlin has that “What the f is going?” look back…Manning has that “Deer in the headlights” look back..It is a shame to have that much talent and not coach it..they look like fools these coaches we have…and the players can’t run..can’t tackle..can’t defend passes..can’t rush a QB..can’t stop a run…nothing..who the hell is Weaver?..never heard of him!!!..and they let him run them over?

by Bobbiblue on Nov 2, 2009 2:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll say this

clearly we’re not playing as well as we thought we should, or anyone thought they should.

But I’ll also say, from a strict talent standpoint, I think we are CAPABLE of playing as well as we should. Everything has fallen to shit in the last couple weeks (both bad play and a near unmanageable number of long-term injuries), but I think we have what is necessary to turn it around. We just guys to play to their capabilities. Which no one has done for several weeks now.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Nov 1, 2009 5:29 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Anything bad that could have happened has happened. Tuck blocks a pass right into McNabb’s hands, and he runs for positive yardage on the throw to himself, is just one example.

by Willgfass on Nov 1, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the Cards loss still bothers me

i know blowout losses in New Orleans and Philly aren’t exactly ringing endorsements, but i really think those are the two best teams in the NFC.

if the Giants had not come out flat against Arizona, they’d still be 6-2 right now and in pretty good shape. i’m struggling for a proper explanation – maybe Eli is more hurt than he’s letting on? even with all of these embarrassments, i still think this is a playoff team.

things might get worse before they get better because this schedule is absolutely ridiculous. San Diego, Atlanta, at Denver, Dallas, Philly in the next five with the bye.

my head hurts.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Nov 1, 2009 5:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The giants definitely regressed a little but since the beginning of the season

Its a long season though, and the NFC East is far less dominant than projected, lets face it. The reason you guys shouldn’t get too down on your g-men is that the NFC east this year has a really soft part of their schedule, and nobody has really proved themselves yet in regard to playing the better teams on the schedule. When the eagles want to, they can be the best team in the NFC, but they, as well of the rest of the nfc east, are very inconsistent. Its a long season, and as bad as you have looked lately, the division is still a toss up, i’m not even completely sold on my boys yet. And just a question, does anyone see the offensive line as a problem? The last to years your o-line looked like the best in the league (partly why I thought Eli was playing so well), and now they don’t appear to be getting it done like they used to. Any thoughts?

by witten82 on Nov 1, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It has not been as good but

it has not been nearly as much of a dissapointment as the D-Line. Also the Giants have gotten down a lot early which has forced them to throw and I think teams know that and bring a lot of blitzes at that point. The Cardinals game was the only game where the Pass protection was bad. Not that it was great today but Eli had some time on throws. The O-line also pass blocked well against the you guys which helped Eli play so well so to answere your question the O-line has not been as good as it was in the past but it has not been awful. The D-line has not been getting it done like they used too and that has been the biggest problem so far. Teams are running the ball down our throats.

by Landeta on Nov 1, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed it has definitely not been bad

But again, I would say your o-line was the best in the league the last two years. In my opinion, a good o-line team is always a competitor because it is the foundation of a team. If you have a top o-line, running backs are basically a dime a dozen. It gets the running game open, which opens up the passing game in turn. It gives the quarterback more time to throw, further expanding the pass game. Although it is not bad, maybe perhaps the elite offensive line made you an elite team. However, yes there are far more problems than that, but my suggestion could possibly explain Eli’s recent play.

by witten82 on Nov 1, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yea it could explain his play

but he always has streatches like this regardless of pass protection and how effective they are running the ball. If the D was holding the oppenet to 14-17 points like they did last year and in 07 he could struggle for most of the game and just make a few plays to win late but if they get behind by 3 scores early they stop running the ball and pass all game and Eli has to be on all game which he’s not great at. He’s good but he’s not his brother or Brady. You can’t ask him to win the game for you week in and week out.

by Landeta on Nov 1, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

We must be living in a parallel universe?

Where only bad things, and nothing but bad happens! This is the Giants for the last 3 weeks!!!

I’m not one to knee jerk a situation, but it’s gotten to the point of, are you freaking kidding me?

Accountability has everything to do with it, from TC and down to whoever? I’m so pissed, i can’t even rationalize a simple thought!

Only a thought of next years draft! This team does not have playoff accolades or of a winning spirit!

by Hootman on Nov 1, 2009 5:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Lenord Weaver!

I can’t believe this guy killed us today, He’s a fullback he’s Hedgcock for crying out loud. On his TD run he outran our D-Backs, how does that happen! That alone shows how far the D has sunk. If they could not stop a FB how the hell are they going to stop D. Jackson.

Injuries are a factor but the injuries are still not as bad as they were in 06. This is absurd if the D does not improve this will be a long year

by Landeta on Nov 1, 2009 5:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I never heard of that Weaver before..We are turning nobody’s into stars!!

by Bobbiblue on Nov 2, 2009 2:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Consistently weak

As a long time fan, I’d have to say this is the weakest, worst prepared team I’ve seen since the early 2000s. The defense is especially confused. Remember when the Giants had a pass rush? Just a fading memory.

I look forward to the spring draft and a couple of new “coordinators.”

by AreGiantsToast on Nov 1, 2009 5:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think we can all agree

the defense is mind-numbingly bad. I too am starting to doubt the return of injured players will have the impact we had hoped, but at this stage we’ll have to cross our fingers for a playoff spot and try to get some good matchups. I’m not ready to surrender the season yet. After all, Kevin Freakin’ Boss was a part of the offense today. Bossman!

by rzor on Nov 1, 2009 5:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Lenard Weaver!

I still can’t believe it, WTF! A blocking fullback ripped this D apart

by Landeta on Nov 1, 2009 5:56 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He’s not just a blocking fullback. We got him to use him as a key part of our offense, particularly short yardage.

"THIS IS NOT COLLEGE NO MORE. THIS IS THE BIG MAN SPORT." ~Crazy Lady on BGN forums

by southjersey89 on Nov 1, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but he doesn't even have 10 carries on the year.

If him ripping off a 41 yarder isn’t a WTF and sign of the gloom to come for the rest of the game…I don’t know what is.

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 1, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh I agree completely, he shouldn’t have even made it past your LBs let alone into the endzone. I was just pointing out that he is not your typical blocking FB. We brought him into Philly because he is extremely athletic and talented for a big fella. He had a receiving touchdown against the Saints a few weeks back too.

"THIS IS NOT COLLEGE NO MORE. THIS IS THE BIG MAN SPORT." ~Crazy Lady on BGN forums

by southjersey89 on Nov 1, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He pulled away from the secondary!

ok maybe he’s better than Hedgecock and can get a nice 8 yard run here and there and catch a few balls but god dam he looked like Adrian Petterson today. I guarantee you he does not have a game like that again this year. What were his YPC like 10! I’m sorry out of all of the players I thought the Giants had to worry about I did not think it was a fullback. That just says your D sucks

by Landeta on Nov 1, 2009 7:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He didn't score against the Saints

In fact, he had exactly 0 yards in the Saints game.

You’re right Landetta – when a FB outruns your DBs, you know the defense is in trouble. Maybe it’s time to sign one of those DBs off the practice squad. They can’t be worse than Brown, can they?

by HB-NOLA on Nov 1, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

rookies

and young players.

Other teams play them often. Giants do not. Perhaps they should at LB and safety.

Giants are not flying to the ball on D. D is partly effort. It is not here in the last few weeks

by MSP Giant on Nov 1, 2009 6:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

We don't have any rookie safteys

maybe on the practice squad but I think we are screwed at Saftey until the offseason. Giants should try Kiel at LB he started a few games last year he can’t be much worse that Chase & Clark, they’ve been non-existant.

by Landeta on Nov 1, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree on both counts

Hell, I’d try to give Goff, DeOssie, Sintim. even Wilkinson palying time. See how they do.
During draft discussion only 57 expressed concerns about the LB crew. He was right, the rest of us wrong. Then again, there’s no denying the D l;ine wore down last year, but…so far the problem ain’t fixed

by blue gonz on Nov 1, 2009 6:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know I've said this before

but I think JR brought in Canty & Boley because he knew the LB’s and DT’s just were not cutting it at the end of last year and might be a problem this year. And he gambeld with not drafting, signing a quality FA , or re-signing Butler at saftey. He’s getting burned on all accounts due to the injuries. I think it’s safe to say interior line-men, LB’s and average safties will be a priority this offseason.

by Landeta on Nov 1, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Basics

We consistently had poor field position (except for after the turnovers). Eli was “off” from the beginning; he threw some unnecessary interceptions, and whether his foot is injured or not, that’s a thought process problem. Some of the play calling was, again, predictable. Our defense played poorly, but keep in mind, they were probably on the field more than the offense was. Talk about ridiculous.
You can’t expect this group of defensive players to consistently get pressure and make stops when the offense consistently goes 3 and out. By the time the defense has taken their helmets off and drank some Gatorade, there’s no time to sit down because the punt’s already in the air.

I just don’t see a quick fix to this one. Injuries have eaten us alive so far, and that is a legitimate excuse, but when the play remains consistently bad with the replacements, that usually has something to do with coaching.

I’m not throwing in the towel by any means, but we have quite a mountain to climb, and it’s time to put the climbing shoes on and man up!

We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.

by GAgiantfan on Nov 1, 2009 6:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Although

regarding the defense, they all sucked at a basic concept on defense: TACKLING.

We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.

by GAgiantfan on Nov 1, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I can deal with it when the O stinks but when your D is awful there is no hope. I’d rather loose the way the Jets did to the Bills a few weeks ago then by letting another teams Madison Hedgecock run wild on you. Seriously how bad is that, Leonard Weaver??! WTF?

by Landeta on Nov 1, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

COORDINATORS!!!!!!

Sheridan and Gilbride should be fired now!!!!!!!, with this much talent and these results I dont know who else to blame are they secretly getting coaching advice from Ray Handley????

by greg a on Nov 1, 2009 6:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

We have a Practice Squad...

I say we give the incumbants one more shot vs Bolts and if we see another steaming heap like today then consider putting in a few of our PS players (lower draft choices), can they be any worse that what we saw out there today?

He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.

by Johannus on Nov 1, 2009 6:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

bring on

vince anderson! i love that kid! great story, great heart…he’s a corner in a safety’s body…why isn’t he playing?

by cntrlalt on Nov 1, 2009 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If we lose to SD i'm throwing it in

I still have hope, but if we lose to SD, a team with a worst running defense than us, I couldn’t stand it anymore

by Willgfass on Nov 1, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll add

unless that moment happens, I still have hope this week

by Willgfass on Nov 1, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

that's the spirit!

+1

He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.

by Johannus on Nov 1, 2009 6:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The Giants are...

one bad Romo performance away from 4-4. Turns out the Giants ARE wildly over rated. Hurts to admit it, but it appears to be true.

by brisulph on Nov 1, 2009 6:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

For those throwing in the towel...

yea this looks bad, there’s no positives and if they continue this, they obviously will be lucky to reach 7-9.

But its a long season. We’ve seen plenty of teams, the 2 teams in the NFC championship game last year as 2 prime examples, that played like absolute BALLS at this point in the season.

The Giants are 5-3, the Eagles 5-2, and the Pies 5-2. One will be 5-3 next week (the other 6-2 of course) cuz they play each other.

In no way is this season shot. I’ve seen this same Giants team play as bad as they are right now only to turn it around.

They’re playing the worst football I’ve seen in a few years, yet I still believe the talent is there.

Keep the towels where they are, this aint over yet.

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 1, 2009 6:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

FreeBrad

you are so posative, I envey you. I’m not throwing in the towel and if the Giants were 0-7 I would still watch every game from start to finish but in my opinion when your D plays like this it’s hard for me to believe they will have a successfull year. Good defensive play always keeps you in games no matter how much the O is struggling like in 07.

I also don’t think the talent on D is there. At the end of last year teams started to run successfully on the Giants and the line did not get much push oup the middle which, I have not seen since the Dan Reeves years. I know I sound like a broken record but I think JR knew Robbins, Pierce, Clark were getting older and lossing a step while Cofield and Blackburn or even Kiel were not long term solutions at LB so he went hard after Canty and Boley. So with those guys out I think as fans we thought Robbins, Cofield, Pierce and the rest of the LB’s would be fine becasue it was the guys that were playing last year but I’m starting to belive Robbins, Pierce and Clark are near the end of the line and it’s showing while years of neglecting the LB position in the draft has caught up with them. While Osi is either not fully recovered from his knee injury or he’s just not that good anymore.

I think the O will get on track, especailly once Nicks gets fully comfortable with the O and Eli and when Manninham shows some consistancy they are talented and Nicks looks like he’ll be really good it just takes time for WR’s to get going it’s a tough position. I don’t think the O is ready to carry the D this year and thats what it seems like they need to do to win.

by Landeta on Nov 1, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just aint throwing in the towel...

untill they’re mathematically out of it.

I know this week’s gonna suck (tho…I of course have my Yanks to look forward too…) for anything Giants relate, and it would be a HELLISH week of thought during the bye week if another bad weeek happens,

but the team is 5-3. They beat the bejesus out of a Raiders team that made the Eagles look foolish.

THIS EAGLES squad looked foolish but 2 weeks ago.

Its a long season. ALl we can hope for is they’re playing their worst football of the year.

I don’t wanna say it can’t get any worse…cuz I thought taht after the Saints game and THIS is worse….

but we got a long way to go.

Doesn’t matter how you get in the playoffs. There’s no such animal as a pretty 9-7 or 10-6 teams…those 6 or 7 losses will suck.

But get in, and the reg. season is irrelevant.

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 1, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's the position I'm taking this week

I’ll see how much longer I can keep it up

by Willgfass on Nov 1, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

coordinators!!!!

Giants defensive coordinator purely is suck !!! How can you explain how soft this defense is ? Last year defense was putting a lot pressure on opposing quarterbacks and that was without Osi Umenyora , and a lot of practice squad players; now we have Osi Umenyora, Fred Robbins,Kiwanuka,Bernard and we so stink.I say the problem is the coordinator with all those talented players on the Giants there is no way they should be this bad.

by nickybsr on Nov 1, 2009 6:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

A lot of what happened

the past three games can be put on the coaches, WOD. It just seems that opponents’ Os and Ds have our #. They know what we’re gonna try to do and they know how to prevent it from working. In addition to some judicious personnel change, there has to be changes to game plans. Of course, anything major has to wait until next year’s training. (Sigh.)

by blue gonz on Nov 1, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Its all in the secondary

Weve been getting torched by three great passing teams, simple as that. Also, we’re seeing what happens when you dont have a top flight WR, this is back to Pre-2005 Giants football; with Steve Smith as the 21st century Toomer and/or Chris Calloway, sure hes pretty good, but he doesnt have the physical tools to take over a game like Plax did.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 1, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

an eagles fan viewpoint

if i was a giants fan the thing that would bother me the most is how slow the Giants O was operating in the second half. Zero urgency.

That said. Dont throw in the towel. Someone mentioned it above, but last year we tied the bengals, benched mcnabb and still came one drive from the super bowl. Long season.

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES…just had to get that in

Brent Celek is the man

by 700 Level on Nov 1, 2009 6:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand the pace of the O....

I hate agreeing with the announcers, but they were right on that,

Of course, when the team picks up the pace, they move the ball.

I look at your Eagles last year as a good motivator (as I’m sure you guys looked at the 2007 Giants as motivation) right now, cuz the Eagles played like crap at this point last year.

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 1, 2009 6:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well done to the Eagles

It’s not that we really needed to be shown again how poorly the guys are playing. I think we got that message loud and clear over the last two weeks. It hurts a bit losing a divisional game, but the G-Men were poor and the Eagles stuck it to them/us. We have to eat humble pie, give the birds all the kudos, and look foward to next week (OMG!)

He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.

by Johannus on Nov 1, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Here is a big difference

last year in the first game the Giants ran all over your D. Obviousley some of it had to do with Plax being there but also some of it was your young and talented yet inexpeireced LB’s and D linemen learning how to play. By the end of the year they took their lumps and grew up and the D got a lot better. This Giants D has no young talent at D-Tackle or LB that are gowing through growing pains. It’s a bunch of guys that are losing a step and getting blown off the ball. Your fullback ran the ball down our throat today, a freaking fullback. He was in the open field and nobody could catch him. Thats like Hedgcock killing you the next time we play!

by Landeta on Nov 1, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You are absolutely right on..

They came out lethargic in the second half..I was going nuts!!..They needed to move faster..and didn’t..let’s see here we’re down three scores, I think we’ll just keep the same snails pace appproach…they stunk!!..Eli looked like that guy playing the banjo in deliverance.

by Bobbiblue on Nov 2, 2009 4:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, Ed

Boss deserves a kudo.
I’d hate to be in TC’s shoes. Where do you begin? There has to be some kind of shake up as many have pointed out. Not much can be done about the secondary at this point.

by blue gonz on Nov 1, 2009 6:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not gonna get one

Not in the mood I’m in.

by Ed Valentine on Nov 1, 2009 6:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I've never rooted for a Yankee win,

but I am tonight. It will give you a lift.

by blue gonz on Nov 1, 2009 7:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's sacrificed his body in the limited playes he's made

Boss deserves it. Even if we lost to the raiders 40-13

by Willgfass on Nov 1, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

About the offense...

The most freightening thing is the way Ely is missing wide open receivers while throwing to double coverage ,he also look panicking at times and at last the special team coach need to be fired our special team has been stink all year..

by nickybsr on Nov 1, 2009 6:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

God, it's awful.

Ther’s no aspect of the game today where the team looked evenly modestly competent. Well, maybe Feagles’s punts.

by blue gonz on Nov 1, 2009 7:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

He’s playing like the first time I played madden

One guy would be wide open, but i’d throw it to the guy double covered because he looked open enough when I threw it

by Willgfass on Nov 1, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Even the Titans manage a win this week!

this is one crazy weekend of football.

He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.

by Johannus on Nov 1, 2009 6:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I wish the Giants could play the Jaguars...

the Titans too.

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 1, 2009 7:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and then maybe a team of girls

sorry ladies, that wasn’t meant to be sexist.

He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.

by Johannus on Nov 1, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That is not sexest..

The Giants would lose..

by Bobbiblue on Nov 2, 2009 4:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

With Vince Young at the helm.

 And he had a good day. Before today, they looked like the Raiders, lackadaisical, going through the motions only, etc.

by blue gonz on Nov 1, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why is anyone surprised?

Seriously, it was all there to see in the pre-season. No pass rush. Erratic QB. Slowed running game. Snail pace LB’s who get suckered constantly. The one area I had hope for was the dbs — before Ross rented full time space on the IR and Phillips went down. I’m a Giants fan - but even I knew it was folly to count the Cowboys out (we were lucky to win that game), and mark my words, they will take the division and WE WILL miss the playoffs- unless everyone gets faster, more accurate, and out of their wounded psyches.
The Players are showing that they cannot handle hard times too well. THIS IS NOT the 2007 team. A team like that comes along once in a life time. Hard waters ahead. Well, at least my Sundays are now freeing up (I’ll give them a half to show me they have an ounce of moxie).

by ZILLAG on Nov 1, 2009 7:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yea..

I’m surprised.

Your right for the most part, yet I would hardly call 5-3 hard times as the thing I disagree with.

ITs just so hard to take you seriously …when YOU take preseason seriously.

DO WHAT JERRY HAIRSTON DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Nov 1, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Watching that game two things came to mind. 1 Is that we really have no leadership. Everyone is taking that Eli approach of getting down on themselves and letting problems snowball. Eli is not a leader and shouldnt be. When the wheels came off last fall, no one was there to right the ship. Now its happening earlier and we have the same problem. After the home regular season loss to philly last year Eli was a pouty brat who hurried past a group of uniformed troops looking for an autograph and had his dad waiting to drive him home… I doubt Peyton needs the same coddling after a loss.

Eli is a fine QB when he is comfortable and the pressure is not on him. Trying to put offense on him is too much. He needs a solid run game supporting him because he is not the type of player who can do it on his own. The move to make this Eli’s team is backfiring. We need some solid leadership, something our players dont get from Eli.

by ryanwk628 on Nov 1, 2009 7:24 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Agree.

Despite Eli’s big contract he is not a ‘big’ player. He manages fine when things are going sweetly around him, but struggles under pressure (‘The Catch’ was a one-off). With AP clearly struggling and BJ not getting the go-foward reps that he has over the last couple of years, where is the leadership coming from? Eli just seems more fragile that Flacco, Ryan, Palmer, and others of his cohort, and is a long way behind the elite QBs. I don’t need him to be elite, I just want him to be robust and reliable. I don’t think the Giants need him to carry the team on his shoulders .. maybe he thinks that is what he has to do, and that is too much of a burden.

He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.

by Johannus on Nov 1, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

He’s a game manager that has some moxie late when the game tightens up. You can not expect him to do everything and I think thats what the coaches are asking him to do and he’s trying to hard.

by Landeta on Nov 1, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

to keep things in perspective, the other half of “the catch” isnt even with the team anymore.

by ryanwk628 on Nov 1, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, memories ...

Thank the good lord that we have such wonderful memories to savour .. because that may be all we have this year unless a few things get sorted out.

He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.

by Johannus on Nov 1, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

strahan

wouldn’t mind him back in the locker room
or on the field in that matter

Kevin Hill

by feaglesmvp on Nov 1, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe not the players

 is it to the point in this embarassment that we start to look at the defensive schemes and not the players? I think maybe sheridan is not the right man to lead the defense. I know we have injuries but with defenders playing what appears to be in the wrong place maybe its the play calling on sheridans part. whe the offense goes awry we tend to blame gilbride maybe its time coughlin looks at the coordinator as a potential problem

by trueblue09 on Nov 1, 2009 7:37 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Frustration

I think its time the coordinators go back to the basics. The past three games the giants have been playing other team’s games. WE ARE A RUN FIRST OFFENSE that opens up play action. The one play action play we did was a huge pass to nicks, yes it was a poorly placed ball but nicks made up for it with his hands. CC Brown is absolutely useless. I start saftey for my highschool team, although it is nothing compared to the NFL. There is one rule. DONT LET ANYONE GET BY YOU. its as simple as that. he needs to play centerfield and make a play on the ball.

by haakeem the dream on Nov 1, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Johannus,

Got any pull with the Blacks? I’d like to have a few of them come over and teach the HAKA to the Giants, try to scare the opposition before the game. Desperate times call for desperate measures. (For those of you who haven’t seen the HAKA, Google it and enjoy several examples.)

by blue gonz on Nov 1, 2009 7:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ha

the All Blacks beat Australia in Tokyo at the weekend. However, both teams got thoroughly smashed by the Springboks (South Africa) this year, they are just brutal. The haka that the ABs usually perform is called Ka Mate. However, they also sometimes perform one called kapa o pango which includes a controversial throat slitting gesture .. scares the hell out of me just watching it on tv.

He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.

by Johannus on Nov 1, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Scares me, too. I've seen the throat slitting one.

Rugby will be an Olympic sport in ‘16. An American Intl team is forming. A guy who works out in the same gym as I do is on it. He’s Samoan, plays for a pro team in Charlotte and coaches here in Peoria in his off season. More and more high schools are fielding rugby teams. Those SP islands turn out a lot of prime athletes, considering the size of the population. Lots of good NFLers. Polamalu and Seau are headed to the HOF.

by blue gonz on Nov 1, 2009 8:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

The direct approach

I think that they must have all their nerve endings removed soon after birth and the pain receptors in their brains turned off. It certainly appears that they have no fear and absolutely no concern about their own safety. That certainly appears to be Polamalu’s approach, the guy is awesome. He knows one speed (fast) and one direction (forward). Call it courage or stupidity, but also call it effective.

He was like a god walking amongst mere mortals. He had a voice that could make a wolverine purr and suits so fine they made Sinatra look like a hobo.

by Johannus on Nov 1, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Have Aaron Ross' hamstrings gone extinct?

Perhaps this offseasons plan of standing pat and relying on mediocre WR wasnt the best idea after all.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 1, 2009 9:05 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

ross

has stated that his return is going to be soon. His comeback will be vital to our defense. He makes plays that count. I am not so sure about what u mean with a mediocre WR. Steve Smith can make a case for being one of the best possession receivers in the league. Hakeem Is having the best season for a rookie wide receiver in giants history and also was just named NFL Rookie of the month for October. I know it is easy to put the blame on the WRs but it all starts back with the basics.

by haakeem the dream on Nov 1, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Smith is good

but he doesnt have any game breaking ability, he makes timely catches for sure, and can get open in space; he’s great at what he does. But as we’re seeing none of our guys can do what Plax did, not many guys can; but what do you expect when youre relying on a journeyman like Hixon a rookie and a quasi-rookie in Manningham?

We all knew that Plax made Eli look a lot better than he may be, and now I think we’re getting confirmation on that suspicion.

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 2, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Quick!

Someone break into Plax’s prison!

Not giving up on the G-Men until we're mathematically out of the Playoff race.
Big Blue forever!

by Willgfass on Nov 2, 2009 9:10 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Patterson can give him a pardon on his way out of office next year

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 2, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

that was complete and utter sarcasm

I don’t won’t plax anywhere near the NYG anymore.

Not giving up on the G-Men until we're mathematically out of the Playoff race.
Big Blue forever!

by Willgfass on Nov 3, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well is a commentary on the state of our offense

that we’d need to go to those lengths

Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.

by bren on Nov 3, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You have to remember

That the Eagles defensive scheme often includes disrupting routes. If you couple that with inexperienced WRs, it can be hard to be in sync.

But you have to blame Eli much more so than the WRs… He was pretty bad, and Nicks and Smith were doing a good job of getting open… Boss too (but every TE known to man can kill the Eagles.)

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Nov 1, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

elis first pick was awful. he didnt go through his reads during hte play. he knew who he was going to throw to before the play started. This isnt madden on xbox. its a NFL game and he needs to realize that.

by haakeem the dream on Nov 1, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Eli wasn't just pretty bad..He stunk

As I said in an earlier post, “Jolly the Green Giant”..couldn’t that shit he throws..Plus he is making too many damn adjustments at the line…The play clock is always close to running out..and his decisions are horrible..I also said in an earlier post that Peyton makes alot of animated gestures, but the majority are just decoys to fool defenses..Eli screws everything up…and I blame W.C. Fields Gilbride for that.

by Bobbiblue on Nov 2, 2009 2:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I can't believe

It has taken this long to heal a Hamstring..maybe he donated his to Science.

by Bobbiblue on Nov 2, 2009 4:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was looking so forward to this game

but I wish Fox had actually shown it instead of a re-make of the Giants-Saints game.

I definitely didn’t expect the Giants to lay 3 straight eggs, but that’s just what they did. I still think this team is a lot better than it’s playing right now, and I expect them to stop this tailspin and make the playoffs, but I don’t think this is a Super Bowl team. Hopefully I’m wrong.

I also think this is the first time in my entire life that the Islanders are playing better than all of my other favorite teams. Kinda sad considering they didn’t even win their first game till 5 days ago.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Nov 1, 2009 9:48 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Well, console yourself with the thought that

the Islanders once reached at least mini-dynasty status. Then again, that was probably before first you saw light of day.

by blue gonz on Nov 1, 2009 10:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

yup

I was born months after their last Stanley Cup. But hey, they’re still the last North American professional sports team to win 4 straight championships.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Nov 2, 2009 2:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Once again Blue..

Your revealing our age!!..haha

by Bobbiblue on Nov 2, 2009 3:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Help needed

Middle of the pack
If we accept the fact that with the present personnel,
Our Giants are a mediocre team; we wouldn’t feel so bad after a lost.

by Olddiehard on Nov 1, 2009 10:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Starts at the Top-Loyalty is the Problem

I’ll repeat what I said after the Saints game and after the Cards game and now after this game – We have a ridiculously unimaginative and predictable defensive scheme. We have an OC who took 8 games to discover he had a tight end. We have a QB who once again looks like the Kid from Deliverance. We have an OL that gets no push off the ball and is almost always outnumbered at the point of attack due to the 7-8 men in the box. We have an OC who won’t throw screens to his backs. The same OC who rarely calls play-action. Defenses know what’s coming. Fans know what’s coming. We have a DL that clearly needs help but everybody must deal with injuries so I’ll just say they need to be big. We have NO PLAYMAKERS AT LINEBACKER. NONE. And I am so tired of hearing that Pierce is like a coach on the field. He plays like a coach on the field, if by that you mean he plays like a 45 year old man with a clipboard. We have no depth at Safety. Aaron Rouse must be the worst player in the history of the NFL if after a few weeks with the playbook and practice he still cannot get on the field over CC Brown. Jacobs tiptoes to the line because the OL is being stacked by the DL and the holes are just not there. There is no team speed on special teams. Other teams are at the 25 on kickoffs when our special teams first enter the play. And i submit that Loyalty – loyalty of Coughlin to an OC and a DC who are clearly overmatched when up against good teams playing 2009 football. The game has changed and Gilbride and Sheridan have not changed with it. I’m not even sure they know it changed. It is TC’s responsibility to sign off on the offensive and defensive gameplans. Clearly he has been fine with what they have been planning these last 3 weeks. With that being the case, TC is the problem. The game and this team have passed him by. We must have a coach, next year for sure, with a clear grasp of the game as it is played now, in 2009 with the rules in place now. Bill Cowher, Mike Shanahan, they’re out there. Oh, and Reese is not infallible. Can Kehl and Goff and Sintim be that terrible that they can’t do better than the Clarks and Blackburns of the world? I remember when Jimmy Johnson, the HOF DB from the old 49ers played with two broken hands. The guy behind him on the depth chart must’ve been incredibly bad to not play when the starter had 2 broken hands. I think TC is so taken with veterans and afraid of some younger players that he’ll continue to play veterans long after they are useful. Loyalty. It’s not always a good thing.

by nybaseballgiants on Nov 1, 2009 10:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1

Jerry,
Please cut Antonio Pierce.
Thanks,
DB

by DukBudr on Nov 1, 2009 10:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The lack of seed has been obvious all around

The Eagles FB beat our LB’s and DB’s, thats totally unacceptable to the endzone and on specail teams nobody gets down the field.

by Landeta on Nov 2, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good post..

And don’t forget Sheridan..He looks like a Zombie on the sideline.

by Bobbiblue on Nov 2, 2009 2:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Umm.....C C anyone??

Why the fuck is this clown still on the field?? He’s absolutely useless out there. He was out of position on at least 3 Eagle TD’s, maybe 4. GET RID OF HIM!!!

by sexyscottish on Nov 2, 2009 12:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

We need to put

TT back at safety and move Bruce Johnson up in the depth charts. CC Brown honestly has such terrible techniques. He’s an undersized LB playing safety!

"We're only going to score 17 points?!" - Tom Brady

by iLL on Nov 2, 2009 2:03 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I think CC Sabathia

would make a better safety.

"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09

by cjmulrain on Nov 2, 2009 2:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah he's awful..

He belongs in a booth collecting parking fees..He’d probably drop your change though…

by Bobbiblue on Nov 2, 2009 3:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Then again..

You may very well in for free parking because he has no idea where he is and what he is supposed to be doing..

by Bobbiblue on Nov 2, 2009 3:45 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well..

At least the Yankees won!!..that helped bandage my wounds…but our Giants?…Stick a fork in them, they are done…I hate “Liver and Onions”, but it smells real good until you taste it..tastes like shit!!..The Giants are “liver and onions”…they smell good, but play like shit..and the chefs that prepare them wouldn’t qualify to work at Dennys.

by Bobbiblue on Nov 2, 2009 2:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

HELP, HELP AND HELP

We need help, I’ve seen this many times before. And many years of embarrassment.
As a old die hard Giant fan, I have learned to expect them to lost and be surprise when they win. Keep pulling for our Giants, they will get better with help.

by Olddiehard on Nov 2, 2009 3:25 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hey Oldie..

You either work third shift or are suffering from “Post traumatic Giants Syndrome” like I am…lol

by Bobbiblue on Nov 2, 2009 3:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

"Post traumatic Giants Syndrome"

Third shift no, traumatic Giants Syndrome, yes.
Retired and overseas I am.

by Olddiehard on Nov 2, 2009 5:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Safety

The sad think is we are berating the safety play after KP went down as if Rouse and CC are the only players left in the world.

A bad comparsion but the Bills seem to be playing a rookie safety who has 3 2 int games on the trot and leads the league in Int’s.

I am not saying that we should have drafted him – but Rouse is showing the form that got him cut by the Packers. As for Brown – well Jackson was more open against the Giants on his TD than he was against the Skins the week before.

I am sure the Wet Willie post will go into orbit as things do not look better in the cold light of day.

At this rate we will have a losing season – the only silver lining to that will be if the OC and DC both get sacked.

by G Fan in England on Nov 2, 2009 4:40 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

No real answers

The fans said, we abandoned the running game to early. The Giants stuck to the run yesterday. They said we have to blitz more. That happened yesterday, what was the result. Got burnt more. Let’s face it, it’s the players not showing up and that includes Eli (wide open receivers missed in favor of double covered ones). We have significant injuries for sure, but poor tackling when you have the opportunity to stop drives? I’m sorry, but there is no excuse for that!

by nard100 on Nov 2, 2009 8:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

It must be tough in a Giants fan / Eagles fan house today...

I was rooting the entire game for Big Blue even tho they beat up on my Raiders a few weeks back.

There’s still a lot of season left to re-group. Good luck!

by Michellle on Nov 2, 2009 9:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs


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